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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #105 on: April 14, 2009, 04:08:57 PM »

Banning privately-owned cameras in public places is beyond ridiculous!  This is the 21st century, and I wish everyone reading this good health to live into the 22nd.  The difference between cutting-edge cameras and eyes is that eyes weigh more, you can't use more than two biological eyes at a time, and eyes only last about a 100 years - after that you replace them with cameras...  What're they going to do when a high-def Internet-streaming camera can be hidden in a contact lens or a fiber of clothing?


And as for filming in the lobby, he said that this space is an extension of the courtroom - and is filled, at times, by people attending to other business in city hall or by children and victims of rape or domestic violence.  "The last thing a ... victim of domestic violence wants is someone with a camera recording them," Rivera said.

Yeah, that's a relevant justification.  Ridley Report is nothing but all domestic abuse porn, oh, no, wait, that's Cops.  Maybe everyone entering the court room should have their eyes removed lest they see a victim of domestic violence!  And nevermind the ridiculousness of a system that treats domestic disputes, real criminal trials, and victimless "crimes" as one and the same...  While I'm sure some Free State Project members provide moral and financial support for battered women's shelters and similar non-governmental institutions, I doubt any of us protest for the right to film there!


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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #106 on: April 14, 2009, 06:02:57 PM »

It's not that weird to ban video cameras in a courtroom...

Maybe not in your state. In NH, it's against the District Court Rules.

As is Sam correct in the fact that the lobby IS NOT part of the courtroom, and not subject to "judge's orders." Whatever they might be.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #107 on: April 14, 2009, 06:38:47 PM »

It's not that weird to ban video cameras in a courtroom...

Maybe not in your state. In NH, it's against the District Court Rules.

I don't think Sam was following the District Court rules. The judge has pretty tight control over video cameras in the courtroom.

http://www.courts.state.nh.us/rules/dmcr/dmcr-1_4.htm
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Rule 1.4. Regulation of conduct in the courtroom.
   
  (a) The presiding judge should permit the media to photograph, record and broadcast all courtroom proceedings that are open to the public.  The presiding judge may limit electronic media coverage if there is a substantial likelihood of harm to any person or other harmful consequence.  Except as specifically provided in this rule, or by order of the presiding justice, no person shall within the courtroom take any photograph, make any recording, or make any broadcast by radio, television or other means in the course of any proceeding.
(b) Official court reporters and authorized recorders, are not prohibited by section (a) of this rule from making voice recordings for the sole purpose of discharging their official duties.
  (c)  Proposed Limitations on Coverage by the Electronic Media.  Any party to a court proceeding – or any other interested person – shall notify the court at the inception of a matter, or as soon as practicable, if that person intends to ask the court to limit electronic media coverage of any proceeding that is open to the public.  Failure to notify the court in a timely fashion may be sufficient grounds for the denial of such a request.  In the event of such a request, the presiding judge shall either deny the request or issue an order notifying the parties to the proceeding and all other interested persons that such a limitation has been requested, establish deadlines for the filing of written objections by parties and interested persons, and order an evidentiary hearing during which all interested persons will be heard.  The same procedure for notice and hearing shall be utilized in the event that the presiding judge sua sponte proposes a limitation on coverage by the electronic media.  A copy of the court's order shall, in addition to being incorporated in the case docket, be sent to the Associated Press, which will disseminate the court's order to its members and inform them of upcoming deadlines/hearing.
 (d) Advance Notice of Requests for Coverage.   Any requests to bring cameras, broadcasting equipment and recording devices into a New Hampshire courtroom for coverage of any court proceedings shall be made as far in advance as practicable.  If no objection to the requested electronic coverage is received by the court, coverage shall be permitted in compliance with this rule.  If an objection is made, the media will be so advised and the court will conduct an evidentiary hearing during which all interested parties will be heard to determine whether, and to what extent, coverage by the electronic media or still photography will be limited.  This rule and procedures also apply to all court procedures conducted outside the courtroom or the court facility.
 (e) Pool Coverage .  The presiding judge retains discretion to limit the number of still cameras and the amount of video equipment in the courtroom at one time and may require the media to arrange for pool coverage.  The court will allow reasonable time prior to a proceeding for the media to set up pool coverage for television, radio and still photographers providing broadcast quality sound and video.
        (1) It is the responsibility of the news media to contact the clerk of court in advance of a proceeding to determine if pool coverage will be required.  If the presiding judge has determined that pool coverage will be required, it is the sole responsibility of the media, with assistance as needed from the court clerk, to determine which news outlet will serve as the “pool.”  Disputes about pool coverage will not be resolved by the court.   Access may be curtailed if pool agreements cannot be reached.
        (2) In the event of multiple requests for media coverage, because scheduling renders a pool agreement impractical, the court clerk retains the discretion to rotate media representatives into and out of the courtroom.
 (f) Live Feed. Except for good cause shown, requests for live coverage should be made at least five (5) days in advance of a proceeding.
 (g) Exhibits .  For purposes of this rule, access to exhibits will be at the discretion of the presiding judge.  The court retains the discretion to make one “media” copy of each exhibit available in the court clerk’s office.
 (h) Equipment . Exact locations for all video and still cameras, and audio equipment within the courtroom will be determined by the presiding judge.  Movement in the courtroom is prohibited, unless specifically approved by the presiding judge.
        (1) Placement of microphones in the courtroom will be determined by the presiding judge.  An effort should be made to facilitate broadcast quality sound.  All microphones placed in the courtroom will be wireless.
        (2) Video and photographic equipment must be of professional quality with minimal noise so as not to disrupt the proceedings; flash equipment and other supplemental lighting or sound equipment is prohibited unless otherwise approved by the presiding judge.   
(i) Restrictions .  Unless otherwise ordered by the presiding judge, the following standing orders shall govern.
        (1) No flash or other lighting devices will be used.
        (2) Set up and dismantling of equipment is prohibited when court is in session.
        (3) No camera movement during court session.
        (4) No cameras permitted behind the defense table.
        (5) Broadcast equipment will be positioned so that there will be no audio recording of conferences between attorney and client or among counsel and the presiding judge at the bench.  Any such recording is prohibited.
        (6) Photographers and videographers must remain a reasonable distance from parties, counsel tables, alleged victims, witnesses and families unless the trial participant voluntarily approaches the camera position.
        (7) All reporters and photographers will abide by the directions of the court officers at all times.
        (8) Broadcast or print interviews will not be permitted inside the courtroom before or after a proceeding.
        (9) Photographers, videographers and technical support staff covering a proceeding shall avoid activity that might distract participants or impair the dignity of the proceedings.
        (10) Appropriate dress is required.

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As is Sam correct in the fact that the lobby IS NOT part of the courtroom, and not subject to "judge's orders." Whatever they might be.
Are you sure? In the Franklin District courthouse I couldn't even bring my laptop into the lobby. They have their security set up before you get into the lobby.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #108 on: April 14, 2009, 06:49:56 PM »

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If no objection to the requested electronic coverage is received by the court, coverage shall be permitted in compliance with this rule.  If an objection is made, the media will be so advised and the court will conduct an evidentiary hearing during which all interested parties will be heard to determine whether, and to what extent, coverage by the electronic media or still photography will be limited.  This rule and procedures also apply to all court procedures conducted outside the courtroom or the court facility.

That pretty cut and dried.  If the man says the lobby's off limits, it is.  If the man doesn't say, coverage shall be permitted.

If the man gave an order, it would be easy to produce as proof.  No proof, no order.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #109 on: April 14, 2009, 06:54:01 PM »

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If no objection to the requested electronic coverage is received by the court, coverage shall be permitted in compliance with this rule.  If an objection is made, the media will be so advised and the court will conduct an evidentiary hearing during which all interested parties will be heard to determine whether, and to what extent, coverage by the electronic media or still photography will be limited.  This rule and procedures also apply to all court procedures conducted outside the courtroom or the court facility.

That pretty cut and dried.  If the man says the lobby's off limits, it is.  If the man doesn't say, coverage shall be permitted.

If the man gave an order, it would be easy to produce as proof.  No proof, no order.
Did anyone file a request for electronic coverage with the court?
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #110 on: April 14, 2009, 07:02:57 PM »

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If no objection to the requested electronic coverage is received by the court, coverage shall be permitted in compliance with this rule.  If an objection is made, the media will be so advised and the court will conduct an evidentiary hearing during which all interested parties will be heard to determine whether, and to what extent, coverage by the electronic media or still photography will be limited.  This rule and procedures also apply to all court procedures conducted outside the courtroom or the court facility.

That pretty cut and dried.  If the man says the lobby's off limits, it is.  If the man doesn't say, coverage shall be permitted.

If the man gave an order, it would be easy to produce as proof.  No proof, no order.
Did anyone file a request for electronic coverage with the court?

IIRC, those windows in the lobby are where that is done.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #111 on: April 14, 2009, 07:48:38 PM »

Did anyone file a request for electronic coverage with the court?

IIRC, those windows in the lobby are where that is done.

They would have not known what to do with it, since there's no form for these things, passed it on to the judge. The judge would have said that blogs are not "credentialed media." Of course it's all speculation, but Dave Ridley did call in advance to inform/request access, and that didn't work out so well.

If the lobby was part of the courtroom, I think we'd be held in contempt of court, not disorderly conduct.

Here's a link to my summons.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2udvrc9.jpg
Note that my name is incorrect.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #112 on: April 14, 2009, 07:50:28 PM »

If your name isnt correct, then I guess it wasnt you.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #113 on: April 14, 2009, 08:10:35 PM »

Did anyone file a request for electronic coverage with the court?

IIRC, those windows in the lobby are where that is done.

They would have not known what to do with it, since there's no form for these things, passed it on to the judge. The judge would have said that blogs are not "credentialed media."
I'm pretty sure you just file a motion.

I am pretty sure Ian has filed a motion to record in the past.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #114 on: April 14, 2009, 10:05:18 PM »

I haven't chimed in so far but here goes...

I predict that this is not the last of the conflict with the "goons"...  They can only do what goons do - inflict pain through the use of force.  It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, that is inconsequential.  Winning the game is all that matters.  They don't care if some of you get hurt or not (and some of you will).  Just like in the movie "V", they can only do what they know and that is to escalate the force.  They were caught off guard at first and didn't know how to handle the "freestaters" but now they have their game plan and they will not change plans until they either win or are beaten.  Make no mistake, they consider this "war" and they are prepared to use all the war tools they have at their disposal.  Before this is over, some of you will be dead.  Perhaps some of them will be dead.  Like in the movie "V" where the little girl is shot, be prepared for a nighttime raid where one or more of you are killed.  I hope it is not a little child, but it might be.  When they come through those doors with their goon suits on and M-16's with their finger's on the triggers, anything can happen...

I hope I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am.  Waco was some time back but it's clear that the mindset has not changed.  Indeed, it CANNOT change as it is the only thing the goons know - force.  They see all the "non-compliers" as a threat to their very existence and they will even convince themselves that you guys are a threat to their families.  The brainwashing goes deep and goons always see themselves as the victims and justify their force by that thinking.

I hope and pray I'm wrong guys, but just in case I'm not, get ready...

PS. Brock, I love your new avatar - looks like turn 6...
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #115 on: April 14, 2009, 10:17:33 PM »

It's not that weird to ban video cameras in a courtroom...
Maybe not in your state. In NH, it's against the District Court Rules.
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #116 on: April 14, 2009, 10:23:42 PM »

Do you realize that the FSP is the laughing stock of NH?
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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #118 on: April 14, 2009, 10:39:19 PM »

Do you have the one that same artist did after Mike Fisher's "outlaw manicure"?
I was referring to that one

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Re: Group of activists arrested, Keene District Court April 13, 2009
« Reply #119 on: April 14, 2009, 10:40:02 PM »

LOL
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