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Title: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 14, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
What would you like to see in a new version?

What should be changed, added, subtracted, improved, recorded, made transparent, bought, sold, advertised, organized, etc?

I'm posting this in conjunction to this page:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31686.msg578482#msg578482
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 14, 2009, 01:03:58 AM
http://libertyinyourlifetime.weebly.com/

Threw it together on a free site (weebly.com) that I have a pro account at.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: digitalfour on December 14, 2009, 01:06:45 AM
I think knowing what is actually happening to free New Hampshire is what will attract people to the FNHP.

When I'm asked what is occurring that makes it so different from any other place I don't know what to say.

Maybe this knowledge can be better integrated into the idea.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 14, 2009, 01:25:00 AM
It should be run as a for-profit business (even if it loses money) with completely open books. There would be a one-time membership fee, and people would have to agree to the non-initiation of force and to Move to NH to join (people who have already moved would be counted) It should have a "full time" media relations/advertising person. It should endorse anyone who agrees to reduce the government as much as possible. It should ban Keith from any leadership position (lol).
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 14, 2009, 01:34:40 AM
It should be run as a for-profit business (even if it loses money) with completely open books. There would be a one-time membership fee, and people would have to agree to the non-initiation of force and to Move to NH to join (people who have already moved would be counted) It should have a "full time" media relations/advertising person. It should endorse anyone who agrees to reduce the government as much as possible. It should ban Keith from any leadership position (lol).

I'm listening to the monday after-hours segment.  Agreed.  The program as it exists is fucked. 

Its about time they hashed this shit out. 
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 14, 2009, 01:44:22 AM
Free Island Project (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20756.0).
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 14, 2009, 03:08:32 AM
Its about time they hashed this shit out. 

It should have been done 3 years ago when the 20k number wasn't reached. But nobody gives a shit in the organization enough to do that, or they do and they're too much of a pussy to disagree and lose their precious current or possible future spot as a useless board member.

I think to make it successful we'd need to pay at least one person in the organization to work full time promoting the FNHP. This whole volunteer thing just doesn't work in reality, thats why the FSP ended up with Republicans and a former military intelligence agent in charge.

Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 14, 2009, 03:26:42 AM
Lets do this then.

The only thing scaring my girlfriend from moving to NH with me at this point is the fact that she thinks I'll have so much fun I'll never want to venture away for traveling (like too much fun is really a problem  :P). I am not going there to deal with bullshit bureacrazy's. Lets fix it and start a new project.  We have the minds, the hands, the enthusiasm, and the knowledge to make it work. Also, we have enough connections through this BBS to get support where needed.


For profit status sounds like a good idea. A very good idea.

I know from experience fund raising for a good cause is easy as pie and there are an unlimited number of ways to raise funds.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 14, 2009, 03:47:59 AM
Its about time they hashed this shit out.  

It should have been done 3 years ago when the 20k number wasn't reached. But nobody gives a shit in the organization enough to do that, or they do and they're too much of a pussy to disagree and lose their precious current or possible future spot as a useless board member.

I think to make it successful we'd need to pay at least one person in the organization to work full time promoting the FNHP. This whole volunteer thing just doesn't work in reality, thats why the FSP ended up with Republicans and a former military intelligence agent in charge.



I'd do it for a fair price, nothing extravagant.  I'm sure a few others would, as well.  Plenty of peeps would like a fair wage to be basically organized and handle some phone tag.  

They need a PR rep who is polished.  

I'll probably look like a rabid caveman by the time I untangle myself from my shit, so I don't count myself among this kick-around session.  But it'd be nice to comb some nice college kid and shove 'em out there into the position.  The owners can work him like a puppet, but the position requires a faceman.  

Or better yet, a bomb-ass hottie who knows the political ropes. 
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 14, 2009, 03:57:15 AM
I'd make all the call anyone would want for 9 an hour, 36 hours a week :)
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: NHArticleTen on December 14, 2009, 08:19:18 AM
would Ron Paul be allowed to join?

would Sarah Palin be allowed to join?

would Bob Barr be allowed to join?

would Howard Stern be allowed to join?

would Barack Obama be allowed to join?


why or why not?


.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 14, 2009, 08:30:47 AM
You know who should join?  Terry Funk.  And he should pound you into a puddle of tardpaste with his rock hard fists. 

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_F-FLI8NhzEU/SfDEA50qh6I/AAAAAAAAAbA/kDTAHkFgFDU/s320/TERRY+FUNK.jpg)

Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: NHArticleTen on December 14, 2009, 09:04:46 AM
You know who should join?  Terry Funk.  And he should pound you into a puddle of tardpaste with his rock hard fists. 

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_F-FLI8NhzEU/SfDEA50qh6I/AAAAAAAAAbA/kDTAHkFgFDU/s320/TERRY+FUNK.jpg)



you know Terry too!

cool

.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 14, 2009, 09:28:05 AM
You know who should join?  Terry Funk.  And he should pound you into a puddle of tardpaste with his rock hard fists. 

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_F-FLI8NhzEU/SfDEA50qh6I/AAAAAAAAAbA/kDTAHkFgFDU/s320/TERRY+FUNK.jpg)



you know Terry too!

cool

.

The only thing that exceeds his knowledge of biological transmogrification is his zest for kung-fu treachery. 
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: One two three on December 14, 2009, 09:31:33 AM
It should be run as a for-profit business (even if it loses money) with completely open books. There would be a one-time membership fee, and people would have to agree to the non-initiation of force and to Move to NH to join (people who have already moved would be counted) It should have a "full time" media relations/advertising person. It should endorse anyone who agrees to reduce the government as much as possible. It should ban Keith from any leadership position (lol).

I don't want a membership or leadership position.  Am I able to prevent it from endorsing me?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 14, 2009, 12:11:39 PM
You know who should join?  Terry Funk.

What are you in the same union, the International Brotherhood of OldFarts?

Right now it's all about this guy:

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t191/melove_winter/sheamus-oshaunessy-01.jpg) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheamus_O%27Shaunessy)


(Derailment accomplished.)
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Osborne on December 14, 2009, 12:44:53 PM
It should have Doug Stanhope as celebrity spokesperson.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: HowardStern on December 14, 2009, 12:46:58 PM
It should have Doug Stanhope as celebrity spokesperson.

or Howard Stern.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 14, 2009, 03:47:29 PM
http://libertyinyourlifetime.weebly.com/
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 14, 2009, 05:32:23 PM
You know who should join?  Terry Funk.

What are you in the same union, the International Brotherhood of OldFarts?



Yes.  You should come to a meeting. 
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: libertylover on December 14, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
If the FSP can't or won't drop the 20k requirement.  That is when people should seriously think about starting a different group to accomplish the goal of getting more Liberty minded people to New Hampshire.  

I would recommend membership be left open to people who aren't just part of the 100% Libertarian group.  So I would say yes a Ron Paul type should be allowed to join even though they are only 80 to 90% there.  If you leave it to just the 100% people your recruit pool is only 4% of the population.  You would be excluding people like Mark cause he isn't in the 100% club of Libertarianism.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 14, 2009, 05:38:31 PM
It should have Doug Stanhope as celebrity spokesperson.

"The only true freedom that you'll find is when you come to terms with the fact that you're completely and unapologetically fucked, only then are you free to float about the system"
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 14, 2009, 08:03:26 PM
I would recommend membership be left open to people who aren't just part of the 100% Libertarian group.  So I would say yes a Ron Paul type should be allowed to join even though they are only 80 to 90% there.  If you leave it to just the 100% people your recruit pool is only 4% of the population.  You would be excluding people like Mark cause he isn't in the 100% club of Libertarianism.

Who said they would be left out? They just have to agree not to initiate force? What's so hard about that?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 15, 2009, 02:51:40 AM
So what do you think of what I laid down on the site?

We should go through with this, I see no good reason not to.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 15, 2009, 03:03:41 AM
We should go through with this, I see no good reason not to.

Meh.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 15, 2009, 03:24:16 AM
We should go through with this, I see no good reason not to.

Meh.
:(
Oh come on, it can be fun. And possibly profitable.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 15, 2009, 03:39:50 AM
We should go through with this, I see no good reason not to.

Meh.
:(
Oh come on, it can be fun. And possibly profitable.

I just don't think enough people care.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 15, 2009, 03:44:20 AM
We should go through with this, I see no good reason not to.

Meh.
:(
Oh come on, it can be fun. And possibly profitable.

I just don't think enough people care.
Looks like you care, Mark does, I do, and I'm sure various people from the FSP would be willing to jump ships. The FSP pioneered the movement, it just needs to be done better, with the people willing to get active allowed to get active.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: blackie on December 15, 2009, 09:40:40 AM
Does it have to be in NH?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Osborne on December 15, 2009, 10:00:18 AM
How about the I Told You So Project, where we pledge to bail out of this train wreck and watch the carnage from afar?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: anarchir on December 15, 2009, 02:50:44 PM
Does it have to be in NH?

I think its a little late for that. The people are already there.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: blackie on December 15, 2009, 02:53:37 PM
Does it have to be in NH?

I think its a little late for that. The people are already there.
They can move again. They jumped the gun.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 17, 2009, 07:25:38 AM
Free Island Project (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20756.0).

Free Shipping Lanes Project.

Yarr!

The only thing that's keeping the government from cutting our throats right now is that it would have to be done in public (the camera being "the new gun" and all), and the propaganda costs of having to spin us as evil terrorists would be too high.  They could still do it, but we're not worth that much, and that's how a resistance movement can stay alive in plain sight.  (This is even easier to do in New Hampshire, where anti-government activists aren't automatically called racists, Jesus nuts, bootleggers, skinheads, etc).  If, on the other hand, we're easy to spin as a bunch of terrorist pirates, the public won't even flinch as we hit the bottom of the seabed.  :cry:

(See also: my polite and humble disagreement on Drifter's "Boats" thread (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=31384).)


This applies to the Free Island Project idea too, but to a lesser degree, and it's more compatible with FSP by giving the less-dedicated-more-wealthy fair-weather Free Staters / "snowbirds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbird_%28people%29)" a freedom-themed place to vacation if/when New Hampshire winter stops being fun for some reason.  :roll:
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: fatcat on December 17, 2009, 07:56:29 AM
Does it have to be in NH?

I think its a little late for that. The people are already there.

The people?

All 400 or so who have actually moved? all the rest where already in New Hampshire.

Also sunk costs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs).
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Manuel_OKelly on December 17, 2009, 08:20:56 AM
The free state project has already done something that none of you has. It's signed up 9,800 people. So either Fish for a new project, or cut bait for this one.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: blackie on December 17, 2009, 10:04:55 AM
The free state project has already done something that none of you has. It's signed up 9,800 people.
Wow, that is so impressive.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: fatcat on December 17, 2009, 10:44:53 AM
The free state project has already done something that none of you has. It's signed up 9,800 people.
Wow, that is so impressive.

If signing shit on the internet meant anything, sites like these would be power houses of change.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/list/open?sort=signers (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/list/open?sort=signers)
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 17, 2009, 10:53:26 AM
I'm not in it for the PR, and the government counldn't find their own arse with both bloody hands anyway.

No, it couldn't, but it can kill a bunch of people trying to resist its tyranny.  :x

Holding on to power and expanding it is the one thing a government has an evolutionary incentive to be competent at.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: digitalfour on December 17, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
Does it have to be in NH?

Where should it be?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: blackie on December 17, 2009, 12:09:07 PM
Does it have to be in NH?

Where should it be?
Good questions.

I'd be OK with NH for the late spring/summer/early fall. The people who want to stay in NH to "hold down the fort" can feel free to do that. They can keep the FSP dream alive if they want to.

But I'd like a secondary place farther south to go in the winter. Some people would probably like to stay there all year long.

But I don't think the goal should be to take over any state. That isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Changed My Mind on December 17, 2009, 02:27:41 PM
have you met Max?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: digitalfour on December 17, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
I'd like a secondary place farther south to go in the winter.

Sounds good to me.

But I don't think the goal should be to take over any state. That isn't going to happen.

Hypothetically, how many people would it take?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 17, 2009, 08:17:34 PM
Hypothetically, how many people would it take?

Fifty percent of the population, plus one.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: digitalfour on December 17, 2009, 08:29:35 PM
Hypothetically, how many people would it take?
Fifty percent of the population, plus one.

Need all be participants though? Can't some be convinced of the virtues of liberty?
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 17, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
Hypothetically, how many people would it take?
Fifty percent of the population, plus one.

Need all be participants though? Can't some be convinced of the virtues of liberty?

No.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 17, 2009, 09:18:09 PM
The free state project has already done something that none of you has. It's signed up 9,800 people. So either Fish for a new project, or cut bait for this one.

You know that this entire subject is being debated because (some of) the people doing the bulk of the work on the FSP dispute the validity of the 9800, right?

(along with one strongly opinionated Michigander) 
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 17, 2009, 09:48:04 PM
Drill!  Just drill!  Just fucking drill!
Drill!  Don't stand just standing still!
Drill!  Don't feel!  Don't heal, fire the ill!
Drill!  Count your yield, not what you spill!
Drill!  Don't expect any luck, or any goodwill!
Drill!  Drill here!  Drill now!  JUST FUCKING DRILL!
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 17, 2009, 09:50:20 PM
Drill!  Just drill!  Just fucking drill!
Drill!  Don't stand just standing still!
Drill!  Don't count not on any goodwill!
Drill!  Don't feel!  Don't heal, fire the ill!
Drill!  Count your yield, not what you spill!
Drill!  Drill here!  Drill now!  Just fucking drill!


wat
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on December 17, 2009, 10:00:09 PM
(1)  don't quote the post above.  ever.

(2)  give your weaknesses up now.  sever.

(3)  libman just went insane i think.  probably forever.

(4)  don't try to meme me, fool.  fail.  doubleplusunclever.

(5)  JUST FUCKiNG DRiLL!   you fool!  endeavour.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Bill Brasky on December 17, 2009, 10:06:35 PM
ghey
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: Spideynw on December 29, 2009, 02:21:17 PM
I have not read through the whole thread, so please forgive me if this has already been brought up.  I think a major issue with the FSP is that they want to get 20,000 to sign up.  Who cares if 20,000 sign up, and only 100 move?  What needs to be created is an organization built to help people move and encourage people to move, ASAP, not within five years of 20,000 signing up.
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: BonerJoe on December 29, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
I have not read through the whole thread, so please forgive me if this has already been brought up.  I think a major issue with the FSP is that they want to get 20,000 to sign up.  Who cares if 20,000 sign up, and only 100 move?  What needs to be created is an organization built to help people move and encourage people to move, ASAP, not within five years of 20,000 signing up.

THE FSP IS JUST A BUS THAT NEEDS AN ENGINE REBUILD
Title: Re: FSP Replacement
Post by: One two three on December 29, 2009, 05:19:50 PM
The free state project has already done something that none of you has. It's signed up 9,800 people. So either Fish for a new project, or cut bait for this one.

You know that this entire subject is being debated because (some of) the people doing the bulk of the work on the FSP dispute the validity of the 9800, right?

(along with one strongly opinionated Michigander) 

Is that why?  Because a few people are upset because they cannot vote their way on everyone else?