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Re: flu
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2009, 01:15:40 PM »

If I can no longer get it up cuz of age or just cant muster the strength to perform I'm good to go. Bring death and let it end.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2009, 12:15:39 AM »

 All DISEASES in this world were created by people and they don't exist outside of the body.

What is health? I know of no better answer than this. It is perfect wisdom, and just as a man is wise just so his wisdom is his health. But as no man is perfectly wise, no man can have perfect health, for ignorance is disease, although not necessarily accompanied by pain. Pain is not disease itself, but is what follows disease. According to this theory, disease is a belief and pain is what follows our fears in this belief. And where there is no fear, there can be no pain since pain is not the act but the reaction of something; therefore that something which creates pain must take place before the reaction. But says one, I never thought of pain before it came. Now if it came, something must have started it; therefore it must be an effect whether it came from some place or from ourselves. I take the ground that it is generated in ourselves and that it must have a cause.

http://endofdiseases.com/file/home.html

 Here is some proof of German Dr. Lanka about Viruses which don't exist.  http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2009, 12:14:05 PM »

 All DISEASES in this world were created by people and they don't exist outside of the body.

What is health? I know of no better answer than this. It is perfect wisdom, and just as a man is wise just so his wisdom is his health. But as no man is perfectly wise, no man can have perfect health, for ignorance is disease, although not necessarily accompanied by pain. Pain is not disease itself, but is what follows disease. According to this theory, disease is a belief and pain is what follows our fears in this belief. And where there is no fear, there can be no pain since pain is not the act but the reaction of something; therefore that something which creates pain must take place before the reaction. But says one, I never thought of pain before it came. Now if it came, something must have started it; therefore it must be an effect whether it came from some place or from ourselves. I take the ground that it is generated in ourselves and that it must have a cause.

http://endofdiseases.com/file/home.html

 Here is some proof of German Dr. Lanka about Viruses which don't exist.  http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

holy crap!  so every time there is a study done on organisms in a petri dish, it is completely made up?  all those pictures of viruses from electron microscopes- fakes!  we need to go back to the glorious days of blood-letting, phrenology, and extrication of the evil humors.  just think yourself well and the tb/hiv/flu/cancer/etc will just go away....  wow.  you need to call the show.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2009, 03:39:02 PM »

Actually have to agree with Todd on this one.  Airborne viruses are outside of the body.  People have been catching colds and other viruses for centuries way before modern science could possible manipulate viruses to create biological weapons.   There isn't even a smoking gun document on the one blood borne virus which some think might have started out as a biological weapon that being HIV. 
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2009, 04:53:50 PM »

Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.

Perhaps Mark was never as sick as when he had the flu shot. But, that's mild compared to getting the full-blown flu. I guarantee he couldn't say that if he caught the actual disease.

So, I asked my doc what the big deal is with the swine flu. He said that the trouble is that is a rapidly changing sort. It can easily mutate into a much more virulent, 1918-style version. THAT is what the medical community is so concerned about.

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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2009, 03:12:09 PM »

Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.

Perhaps Mark was never as sick as when he had the flu shot. But, that's mild compared to getting the full-blown flu. I guarantee he couldn't say that if he caught the actual disease.

Mike:

This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that? You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and yet you say it with authority and conviction. People may not know all of the science; but they know what they hear, what they experience and when someone is talking out their ass. You are talking out of your ass and it hurts your case immeasurably.

I can tell you that what had cemented me in place on my stand on vaccines for so long, is jackasses in the medical field that I spoke to about this issue talking like you just did here. Acting like I am a flaming idiot when I know what I experienced or not having an explanation at all for me. Imagine for a moment that someone did that to you. Think about how much weight you would give their opinion when it clearly contradicts your reality.

You can be right in your on mind or you can do some good. The choice is up to you.

BTW: my temperature after the first flu shot got up to 102.7. I was ~24 years old, and when I got out of bed I could only crawl to get water.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2009, 03:44:54 PM »

Mark you should know by now. You don't know what's good for you thats why we have regulations and government. Don't make "us" force you to have a shot again. I mean you catch the swine flu then we gotta quarantine and we don't want that buddy.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2009, 04:00:28 PM »

I've had the flu a few times before.

My mother always got the flu after she got the flu shots. That's why neither of us get flu shots...
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2009, 04:19:51 PM »

Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.

You may be right about this, most of us can only go by what the doctor tells us. You know, you go to a doctor, expecting that he has some idea of what is going on, but really they are just guessing based upon symptoms. I mean, this isn't Star Trek where they wave an analyzer over you and detect your exact condition and produce a shot to fight it. The doctor asks questions, listens to answers, says "you have the flu." Then he tells you to get plenty of rest and fluids. My "flu" might be something else, but feels distinct from what I call a "cold" and what I call "food poisoning". I guess we can blame doctors for just guessing.
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 05:11:16 PM »

Twice, I've had the actual flu. It is NOT a fun disease. When most people think they have the "flu," what they actually have is a case of food poisoning or a cold. Unless you're flat on your back for three days feeling like you're ready for the grave, it's not influenza.

Just to add too there are different strands of the flu and your immune system isn't always at the top of it's game plus not everyone is different. I'm pretty sure the severity can go from bad to worse ranging from each person and each flu.
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2009, 03:11:56 AM »

  All DISEASES in this world were created by people and they don't exist outside of the body.

What is health? I know of no better answer than this. It is perfect wisdom, and just as a man is wise just so his wisdom is his health. But as no man is perfectly wise, no man can have perfect health, for ignorance is disease, although not necessarily accompanied by pain. Pain is not disease itself, but is what follows disease. According to this theory, disease is a belief and pain is what follows our fears in this belief. And where there is no fear, there can be no pain since pain is not the act but the reaction of something; therefore that something which creates pain must take place before the reaction. But says one, I never thought of pain before it came. Now if it came, something must have started it; therefore it must be an effect whether it came from some place or from ourselves. I take the ground that it is generated in ourselves and that it must have a cause.

http://endofdiseases.com/file/home.html

 Here is some proof of German Dr. Lanka about Viruses which don't exist.  http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

Good luck


Yeah I know, there's no such thing as FIV (feline immunodefiency virus), tobacco mosaic virus, etc.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2009, 09:43:18 AM »

Mike:

This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?

It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2009, 01:22:05 PM »

Mike:

This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?

It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.

Yes, but your body will still attack the dead flu. So you may get a fever and feel shitty.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2009, 03:07:13 PM »

Mike:

This is where the pro-vacsers go off the rails. You are diagnosing me, when you never saw me. How scientific is that?

It is this scientific: Injectable Flu vaccines are made using a killed virus. It is physically impossible to contract the flu from a killed virus. Either you already had the flu prior to getting the shot, or you contracted a strain other than the one in the shot, or possibly some other disease. But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.

Or had an allergic reaction to the flu shot itself. This is far more common with the flu vaccines than childhood vaccines.

When you discount people's experience they cease to listen to you. You might be right, but it doesn't matter if you don't win hearts and minds. Get off the Polo Pony and act like you care about people and you will get alot farther with your message.
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2009, 03:57:44 PM »

But, you cannot get the flu from a dead virus.

How do they know it is dead? Is it dead in the sense that this particular strain has had its day already and the vast majority of peoples have developed an immune response to it?

What is the difference between an illness and a disease? I noticed your referred to the flu as a disease. From my experience with people labeling common human quirks as diseases, like drinking or shopping to much, that my scepticism alarm goes off when ever some one refers to something as a disease that is not normally referred to as such.
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