Unofficial History of Drama in the Free State

[anarchir]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

Agent provocateurs perhaps?

Quickly in, quickly out. Trying to tie the FSP to shady topics. Its bound to happen sooner or later if it hasnt already.

[hellbilly]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

Agent provocateurs perhaps?

That sounds likely actually.

Ian and the others aren't condoning pedophilia, they're trying to deal with the issue in a rational way rather than an emotional one (as it seems the others are in that thread).

Wouldn't you prefer the blunt honesty (assuming that's what was given by the accused) from people who's sexual tastes might threaten you or your family? Not just pedos but rapists as well. I'd much rather know exactly who to keep my kids away from.

But even knowing the odds, many people continue to send their kids off to potential danger zones.. Boy Scouts, Catholic churches, etc. That's a dangerous sort of denial and confuses me because all the info on where likely pedos are to be found is right out in the open.

I think what you're seeing in this situation is one group of people acknowledging the ugly truth of human nature and trying to figure out the best way to deal with it. The Romans knew all about this natural condition as well as the human fascination with violence, lust, gluttony, excesses of all sorts. However ugly the issues are, they've been around since whenever humanity began and these issues aren;t going to go away anytime soon, if ever. So deal with it in the best way possible.

Does anyone have a solution that doesn't involve killing the accused molesters or taking the kid away and handing it over to the authorities where further, maybe worse, abuse is likely to continue?

[John Shaw]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

I wouldn't call six months "Very recent"

[alaric89]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

Agent provocateurs perhaps?

That sounds likely actually.

Ian and the others aren't condoning pedophilia, they're trying to deal with the issue in a rational way rather than an emotional one (as it seems the others are in that thread).

Wouldn't you prefer the blunt honesty (assuming that's what was given by the accused) from people who's sexual tastes might threaten you or your family? Not just pedos but rapists as well. I'd much rather know exactly who to keep my kids away from.

But even knowing the odds, many people continue to send their kids off to potential danger zones.. Boy Scouts, Catholic churches, etc. That's a dangerous sort of denial and confuses me because all the info on where likely pedos are to be found is right out in the open.

I think what you're seeing in this situation is one group of people acknowledging the ugly truth of human nature and trying to figure out the best way to deal with it. The Romans knew all about this natural condition as well as the human fascination with violence, lust, gluttony, excesses of all sorts. However ugly the issues are, they've been around since whenever humanity began and these issues aren;t going to go away anytime soon, if ever. So deal with it in the best way possible.

Does anyone have a solution that doesn't involve killing the accused molesters or taking the kid away and handing it over to the authorities where further, maybe worse, abuse is likely to continue?

I agree with all your points. Unless someones rights are being hindered no force can be morally used. Parents are responsible for their children. People being honest about their kinks can help people react accordingly. I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.
I think we need definitions of child abuse to be cleared up before we can properly address this issue at all.

[One two three]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

I wouldn't call six months "Very recent"

They moved in Feb or March and were out in March if I am not mistaken.

[blackie]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

Agent provocateurs perhaps?

That sounds likely actually.

I highly doubt it.

Ian and the others aren't condoning pedophilia

That sound exactly like what Ian is doing.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condoning

condone - From Latin condonare, "refrain from punishing," it does not mean "approve of, endorse"; it means "let something pass without interference even though you probably disapprove," or "pardon, forgive, overlook."

Ian doesn't condone racism, but he does condone pedophilia. In the past I think he has said that a pedophile is just someone who loves kids.

[blackie]

I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.

I wouldn't do business with you.

[Fred]

whoa, you mean hypothetically?

[Alex Libman]

Hey, I haven't been called a pedophile in a while!  I'm gonna jump in...  All those distortions really hurt the last time, but, hey, pain is my friend these days.  It has to be.

I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.

That's a very admirable attitude, but how do you define "active"?  What if someone just jerks off to underage underwear models?  As a fearless explorer of the human condition, let me tell you - for pedophiles it's mostly about the face.  What if they make a collage of legal porn images (sex organs of 18-year-old) intermixed with legal pictures of kids (no private parts exposed)?  What if they touch children, but in a way any parent would, and then get off to it sexually afterward?

[Fred]

that's kinda personal.....

[John Shaw]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

I wouldn't call six months "Very recent"

They moved in Feb or March and were out in March if I am not mistaken.

You are mistaken. They were there since October. It is now April. That means they were there for six months, seven if it was the beginning of the month. I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't already know.

[anarchir]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

Agent provocateurs perhaps?

That sounds likely actually.

I highly doubt it.

I dont. Think about how the cops drive around Porcfest and leave it alone. Do you think that government agencies would leave a campground filled with people openly breaking the law alone, or send in undercover agents? They dont leave Burning Man alone and it is way more chaotic and far more difficult to find people breaking the law. In NH people give out the names and locations off black market activity willy  nilly. Even protests have cops dress up in black to try and incite violence, it seems illogical that freestaters would be left alone.

[Fred]

don't doubt their insidiousness

[alaric89]

I would do business with a non active pedophile but not a active one.

I wouldn't do business with you.

People who admit they feel temptation to do things and don't do them are "inactive" or as I prefer "not".
Blackie, I don't go after people for crimes they just  thought about doing. If you believe that one should kill someone for thinking things I am afraid we are not on the same side, so your business issue is not a problem.

[blackie]

The supposed pedophiles were also very recent movers.

Agent provocateurs perhaps?

That sounds likely actually.

I highly doubt it.

I dont. Think about how the cops drive around Porcfest and leave it alone. Do you think that government agencies would leave a campground filled with people openly breaking the law alone, or send in undercover agents? They dont leave Burning Man alone and it is way more chaotic and far more difficult to find people breaking the law. In NH people give out the names and locations off black market activity willy  nilly. Even protests have cops dress up in black to try and incite violence, it seems illogical that freestaters would be left alone.

I find it more likely that there really are pedophiles in the FSP. Occam's razor.

I'm not saying there aren't agent provocateurs in the FSP. I don't think an agent provocateur would be focusing on pedophilia.