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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3435 on: August 09, 2010, 06:11:31 PM »

To quote Crass:

If only everyone knew of them, right?
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3436 on: August 09, 2010, 06:19:52 PM »

"Ian Ⓥ Freeman is all CDed out for now. A man in a robe told me today that armed men would cage me if I'm seen out after 6pm. Oh, and now my bail can be violated for ordinance violations. I am now the gang's bitch. Hopefully the other awesome Keeniacs will keep the ball rolling without me."
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3437 on: August 09, 2010, 06:29:53 PM »

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« Reply #3438 on: August 09, 2010, 06:36:48 PM »

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3439 on: August 09, 2010, 06:37:09 PM »

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3440 on: August 09, 2010, 06:37:22 PM »

I think I'm starting to see the issue....maybe.

The fact that the freak staters jump to civil disobedience right away is big part of the problem.  Civil disobedience is confrontation.  Confrontation causes the other side to dig in their heels.  It causes them to resist.

Indeed.  But civil disobedience is NOT

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When you do a bunch of asshole childish stunts like yelling obscenities at Pumpkin Fest all you will accomplish is causing the other side to oppose your every effort.

Civil disobedience /= being an asshole.  Even is some of the people doing civil disobedience ARE also being assholes, they are two separate issues.  I'm behind you 100% when you say that you should not be an asshole.  That's when you are doing civ dis or when you are just going about your daily life (like childish name calling in an internet forum).

Civil disobedience, per se, is not disrespectful of anything except the state.  And the state deserves no respect, and should be shown no respect.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3441 on: August 10, 2010, 12:44:52 AM »

I'll pitch in to get both sides some of these, fuck, they're even organic

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3442 on: August 10, 2010, 03:41:51 AM »

So is Ian still doing the show?
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3443 on: August 10, 2010, 03:58:15 AM »

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3444 on: August 11, 2010, 04:00:41 AM »

Funny... I seem to recall Ian talking about how "politics burns people out"
I would have said, continually losing at politics burns people out. Since here in NH we actually win a fair amount with the politics, it's actually quite exhilarating.

If the Keeniacs are winning with teh CD... why the burnout?


EDIT: Oh, and agreed: it's not CD per se, it's CD where you act like a dick, and in so doing, wind up looking like a dick to broad majority of onlookers. For examples & video, see pretty must the last 12 months of freekeene.com
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3445 on: August 12, 2010, 04:20:44 AM »


http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2010/08/11/columnists/gilbert/free/id_409269.txt

Quote from: Jason Sorens
As the founder of the Free State Project (which doesn't count for much!), I am as annoyed as you are at some of the childish antics of the Free Keeners. I don't see what any of this has to do with creating real solutions to social problems, solutions that respect individual rights and foster enterprise and creativity. When they could be working on important issues like school choice, tax reform, reforming civil asset forfeiture, and creating alternatives to occupational licensing, they're instead playing games with the police. Disappointing.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3446 on: August 12, 2010, 06:40:33 AM »

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Right now this is a peaceful group but since it is such a mess leadership or direction wise it could be turned and exploited.


They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders,just free people acting free. 8)
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3447 on: August 12, 2010, 08:11:09 AM »

They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders
That's just patently obvious B.S.

Ian, Russ, Sam are all clearly "leaders" in the group. They don't seem to be the type to accept responsibility for leadership, which is a different story...

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3448 on: August 12, 2010, 08:51:12 AM »

They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders
That's just patently obvious B.S.

Ian, Russ, Sam are all clearly "leaders" in the group. They don't seem to be the type to accept responsibility for leadership, which is a different story...

What group is that?
 The freedom movement has individuals moving toward a common goal.

You are mistaking leadership for posturing, which is a different thing. Leadership is about power while posturing is a frame of mind and an overall attitude.The posturing of the people you mentioned comes from being totally assured of their point of view. They are more practiced in what they do and this leads to respect from others. It does not mean they are leading anything. If people see their actions and copy them it does not mean they are in control of anyone else.


The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible. They fail to see that mutual cooperation is happening rather than someone using force to make other people do their bidding. Influence is different to force in many different ways - Using persuasion rather than threats is unknown and foreign to the state.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3449 on: August 12, 2010, 09:39:08 AM »

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3701.msg41876#msg41876

Wow, 3 pages over this, several people informing me of the "right thing to do" without even knowing the situation. That's a little disturbing and frustrating. This is my personal life, and I feel like I share enough of myself with the public. Call me selfish, but I like having at least some small segment of my life to myself. Seeing this makes me want to say fuck it, and withdraw from such a public role. I don't appreciate Meg bring this up in this manner; I don't think it's anyone's business but Mine and Meg's; I expressed my desire to keep my personal life just that, personal, at the beginning of our relationship.

Yes there was an agreement. Meg worked for me on OTN, OTN Productions, FSF, or other endeavors mostly at my direction. She was responsible for for laundry, housework, cooking once a day, and dishes. She did laundry and made wonderful meals. The housework was a problem. Dishes seemed to have a 2-3 day backlog, so they were constantly in the sink. There was constantly crap around the house. Meg grew up in a messy, stuff everywhere, environment, I grew up in a neat house that was kept picked up. My place gets messy when I'm busy and I'm far from obsessive about it. However, my home is also my office, and it needs to be both presentable and functional given what I do.

I would bring things up, and due to communication break downs, expectations were missed on both sides. Meg likes to stay up very late, and because she was living with me that affected my routine. This bothered me, and I asked her to set working hours. She picked 10am-6pm weekdays, and otherwise by special arrangement.  Every time we made a new agreement to address issues, her commitment in my view lasted a week or two. Meg could not get up by 10am most days of the week.

While living with me I supported her with food and lodging. I bought her a bike. I paid her doctor visits and her prescription medicine, which is not cheap. I also drover her out to Manchester for doctor visits. She had a macbook that rebooted after 3-4 minutes of editing, and was basically unusable. I knocked over a glass of water one night (shit was everywhere), and damaged it further. She sold it  for parts and believes I should pay for this. I would agree there is some responsibility here for a few hundred dollars.

I also invested $500 in Video copilot software for CS4. Meg spend weeks going through training courses, learning how to do all of the graphics. Even though I paid her expenses while she learned all of this, that goes with her, and I gain no benefit. Instead, I now have to start over, which sucks because Meg's work is fantastic.

Did Meg create the designs? Yes. Did I provide direction and feedback on them? Yes. Did I compensate her to not only create them, while also giving her the tools, time, and training to learn the skills? Absolutely.

I also invested over 15K in a entity completely separate from video production, which she decided is "too much work", and now I get to pick up the pieces of that one too. She had a share of each item sold for FSF.

Over the last several months, I've been explaining to Meg that things are not working, and I'm taking steps to distance myself from our relationship. Each step of the way I explained where I was, the things that were not working, and why I was taking the steps I was.

As the situation deteriorated, I eventually understood that we were not communicating, and this was an unhealthy environment. It turned my home, what I consider my sanctuary where I am able to recharge and relax, into a hostile unsafe environment. I informed Meg that I wanted her to move out, and gave her 30 days to do so. Most of this 30 days she worked on her stuff so she could become financially independent.

Meg asked me to buy the button machine for a few hundred bucks for liberty flair. I wanted to help her get on her feet, so I agreed with the promise from her that it would quickly be paid back. The last time I brought it up repayment, her response was ". . .Fuck you. . . "

Eventually she moved out. Some of her stuff was still here. She decided to come get it when Heika was coming over after nightcap to work on a letter to the city councilors for the drinking game. Meg decided to "warn her" about me, then go to my house uninvited. She tried to lock me out of my own home. She did her best to crush my hand in the door, used her back and feet to force the door closed on my leg. Her plan was to delete everything she had ever worked on with me. She attempted to leave with one of my OTN archive drives to delete any footage she has worked on from the last year. When I took that back, she ran into my edit studio, and was planning to delete everything. She took my 600 dollar formal office chair and jammed it up against the door handle. This scratched the fuck out of the wood back of the chair. She ripped the head of the OTN Sam doll she made me - an odd gift for someone who thinks I'm an egotistical asshole.

After about an hour of this (Heika eventually left), Meg had done enough screaming obscenities(I have a neighbor in the same house who was sleeping), she sat in my chair refusing to leave. I sat with her for another half hour looking into her eyes, hoping to connect with her. It really kills me to see her so upset and angry like that. I offered to give her a copy of all of her work, including the OTN logos and animations for her portfolio. She told me I had better not use any footage, that she was going to go delete my youtube videos, and that she would be filing copyright claims on all of them. (earlier she tried logging into the PC's here to start deleting everything. I shut them down and unplugged cables.

Eventually Meg left. I informed her that she is no longer welcome at my home. I feel like there was a violation of our agreement. I feel like this was work for hire. I feel like I gave her the opportunity to become part owner of OTN, and I set her up with a completely separate business where I was primarily a silent investor, which she has abandoned. It's going to take me months to put things back together.

Again, this kind of inquiry into my personal life is not welcome, and I don't appreciate anything in this thread. Now on to getting yelled at by Ivy for not getting back to her for the event tomorrow. I'm almost ready to pull my facebook profile. I get too much crap email and don't take the time to read it. Now people are throwing me under the bus because I didn't get back to them through some website I rarely have time to check. I'm so sick of the high schoolish drama that goes on in this movement. Please respect my desire to have some shred of a private personal life.

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