Unofficial History of Drama in the Free State

[ForumTroll]

Shouldn't the goal be to show people that these "wildly unpopular" activities aren't hurting anyone?

Yep. And behaving badly while trying to do it just gets the focus put on the behavior instead of the cause.

[Terror Australis]

Those pesky jews,homosexuals and the handicapped refusing to obey should be rounded up and sent away on trains......how dare they stand up to the gestapo.The collaborators are trying to get the nazi party on their side  and the damn jews are making them look bad by their actions.The nazis stuck all the targets in the ghetto and they had the hide to form a resistance and actually defend themselves.They are casting a bad light on the collaborators who are working with the nazi party to change the system.

The collaborators are trying to work with the gestapo to get the jews free but the jewish resistance fighters are giving them a bad name by disobeying.Oh well, it wont matter if they give the nazi party the names of the resistance fighters so they can round them up and stick them all behind barbed wire because then the nazi party might respect the collaborators more.It doesnt really matter if the collaborators wear the nazi uniforms and salute the fuhrer because that is the only way the jews are going to be free.Stop resisting and embarrassing them already because the collaborators are giving the nazi party members a rating based on the jews they havent killed or rounded up yet which will change their policy.

[sillyperson]

Smearing "shit on the walls" is not an activity that justifies such a heightened level of forceful intervention IMHO.  Try stating the problem that the smearing creates (i.e., "stinky house") and talking to the kid while you clean it up with him - that would probably be enough to prevent it from happening again.

Two questions, Smart Guy:

1) Do you have a kid
2) Did your kid ever smear shit on the walls

[alaric89]

What is wrong with ox's idea? That's what I did.

[ForumTroll]

Well, it looks like Denis is just as stubborn as Ian.

[sillyperson]

I'm not an authoritarian parent by any stretch. But there are some things kids do, especially when they are in the 3-5 age range, where they will not understand the deleterious consequences of their actions unless the communication is sharp, unmistakable, jarring.

[Evil Muppet]

The fact that the freak staters jump to civil disobedience right away is big part of the problem.  Civil disobedience is confrontation.  Confrontation causes the other side to dig in their heels.  It causes them to resist.  When you do a bunch of asshole childish stunts like yelling obscenities at Pumpkin Fest all you will accomplish is causing the other side to oppose your every effort.  They are not just going to resist your every effort in that one issue but will resist everything you do.   In some of these cases you have people who will make these things personal.  Mob action in front of a man's home and scaring the guy's family is a very quick way to make the confrontations personal.  

[Cognitive Dissident]

Those pesky jews,homosexuals and the handicapped refusing to obey should be rounded up and sent away on trains......how dare they stand up to the gestapo.The collaborators are trying to get the nazi party on their side  and the damn jews are making them look bad by their actions.The nazis stuck all the targets in the ghetto and they had the hide to form a resistance and actually defend themselves.They are casting a bad light on the collaborators who are working with the nazi party to change the system.

The collaborators are trying to work with the gestapo to get the jews free but the jewish resistance fighters are giving them a bad name by disobeying.Oh well, it wont matter if they give the nazi party the names of the resistance fighters so they can round them up and stick them all behind barbed wire because then the nazi party might respect the collaborators more.It doesnt really matter if the collaborators wear the nazi uniforms and salute the fuhrer because that is the only way the jews are going to be free.Stop resisting and embarrassing them already because the collaborators are giving the nazi party members a rating based on the jews they havent killed or rounded up yet which will change their policy.

A serious example of reduction ad hitlerum.

I'm not an authoritarian parent by any stretch. But there are some things kids do, especially when they are in the 3-5 age range, where they will not understand the deleterious consequences of their actions unless the communication is sharp, unmistakable, jarring.

I see authoritarians all the time.  They don't even know they're authoritarians.

[ForumTroll]

I see authoritarians all the time.  They don't even know they're authoritarians.

Apparently it's OK, as long as you're a parent.

[AntonLee]

seen far too many parents who are too scared to stand up to the authorities who impose control over them, deal with that by being abusive to their children instead.  My parents for starters. 

I spent no time rubbing shit on walls.  I spent most of my childhood reading, boy scouts, and sleeping.  The few problems I got into were when I was 14+ (not a child) and were anti-authoritarian acts.  Didn't spare me the brushhandle.

[Cognitive Dissident]

I see authoritarians all the time.  They don't even know they're authoritarians.

Apparently it's OK, as long as you're a parent.

Some of them think (and use allegories) as though they're our parents.

[anarchir]

Good little convo going here, but I'd like to interrupt with more drama:

Ian has a curfew?

[ForumTroll]

Ian has a curfew?

In b4 he breaks it.

[anarchir]

Ian has a curfew?

In b4 he breaks it.

If its a "Dont leave your house after dark." I'm sure he'll break it tonight.

[anarchir]

To quote Crass:

If you don't like the rules they make, refuse to play their game
If you don't want to be a number, don't give them your name
If you don't want to be caught out, refuse to hear their question
Silence is a virtue, use it for your own protection
They'll try to make you play their game, refuse to show your face

Ian is showing up in court.
Giving them his name.
Listening to the verdict.
Taking the sentence.
Playing their games.


Ian is an "Inside the System Activist."

I realized this when I first saw him sit on the hood of the police car.