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Title: Unofficial History of Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 06:20:13 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13322.msg229025#msg229025
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 14, 2008, 06:24:13 PM
Haha.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 14, 2008, 06:37:09 PM
Man, I can really cancel my TV now.  This is better/worse than Days of Our Lives. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: rabidfurby on March 14, 2008, 06:37:51 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13322.msg229025#msg229025

It sounds like someone cheated on someone with someone else. Shitty, yes. But how does this fit into your master plan of how the FSP is doomed?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 06:50:51 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13322.msg229025#msg229025

It sounds like someone cheated on someone with someone else. Shitty, yes. But how does this fit into your master plan of how the FSP is doomed?
It's not my plan, I just report.


from the thread:
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first ever Free State move-out party will be held shortly.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 14, 2008, 07:27:18 PM
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Sharon Ankrom has been sleeping with Bill Walker for the past month.

 :roll:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 14, 2008, 07:31:30 PM
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Sharon Ankrom has been sleeping with Bill Walker for the past month.

 :roll:

I'm actually sort of perplexed on why it's such a huge issue, that deserves discussion on an internet forum.  Two internet forums, even.  Two pretty politics-centric internet forums.  I mean, extra-marrital affairs are unfortunately pretty commonplace these days, and of course it still sucks for everyone involved...but it seems like only those three people should be involved.   :?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 14, 2008, 07:57:31 PM
After finishing the entirety of the thread over on NHUnderground so far, I think I see why so many people are upset at the slut.  I'm going to call her the slut because I can't figure out what her actual name is and why she has more than one.  Still, I don't think I'd want the tubes clogged with a mess about my cheating husband. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: dalebert on March 14, 2008, 09:00:31 PM
After finishing the entirety of the thread over on NHUnderground so far, I think I see why so many people are upset at the slut.  I'm going to call her the slut because I can't figure out what her actual name is and why she has more than one.  Still, I don't think I'd want the tubes clogged with a mess about my cheating husband. 

Oh God. I'm going to try and say as little as possible because I don't really want to be involved in the drama. I actually encouraged them to take this off-line. Anyhoo, I don't know all the details, but apparently this is just sort of a last straw for this person- a drama magnet. They're keeping it public so that people will know what they're getting into and hopefully avoid this person and the associated drama.

<subject change> So how's the weather wherever you're at?</subject change>
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 09:05:56 PM
 I find one of the funniest things is that some people are telling her to leave the state..... FSPers think they own the place :lol:

The sucky part is I think they all have kids.  :(
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 14, 2008, 09:27:56 PM
The sucky part is I think they all have kids.
We're not just fuckin'... we're fuckin' for freedom!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 09:41:12 PM
The sucky part is I think they all have kids.
We're not just fuckin'... we're fuckin' for freedom!
I guess some people look at divoce as freedom  :?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Laetitia on March 14, 2008, 10:01:13 PM
I guess some people look at divoce as freedom  :?

Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 10:05:28 PM
I guess some people look at divoce as freedom  :?

Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 14, 2008, 10:07:06 PM
geez, people cheat on each other in NH?????

why oh why

this scandal could end the Free State Project. . . then could kill every human being within a 30 mile radius. . . . if it goes too far, the moon will move out of Earth's orbit and then we'll really be fucked.  The sky, is indeed falling.  How could we be so stupid to move to a state where people cheat on each other. 

goodbye cruel world haha
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 14, 2008, 10:09:59 PM
I guess some people look at divoce as freedom  :?

Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.

Russel considers it freedom.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 10:12:29 PM
geez, people cheat on each other in NH?????
or free staters fuck eachother over

nice group of "friends"
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Puke on March 14, 2008, 10:13:34 PM
I wonder why any of you think human nature won't happen here?
Shit happens, life goes on.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 14, 2008, 10:15:57 PM
who said everyone has to be friends?

as if friends don't fuck each other over in every other state and country in the entire world.

oops there goes the moon
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 10:16:17 PM
I guess some people look at divoce as freedom  :?

Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.

Russel considers it freedom.

yea...I think he said he is $120,000 in the rears for child support.

I would guess that is why he doesn't have a drivers license. The state takes it when you are a "dead beat dad". That is probably also the reason he doesn't use his social security number...cus his wages would be garnished up to 60%.

 But it's nice that he lets people think it cus he is such a freedom lover.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 10:17:22 PM

as if friends don't fuck each other over in every other state and country in the entire world.
They are not trying to take over a state.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 14, 2008, 10:19:48 PM
yea...I think he said he $120,000 in the rears for child support.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=7555.msg133707#msg133707
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: bakerbaker on March 14, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
geez, people cheat on each other in NH?????
or free staters fuck eachother over

nice group of "friends"

not that im trying to be conspiritorial...just thinking hypothetically:

would it be out of the realm of reason to think that the feds are planting smokin' hot harlots* into the movement in an effort to break up families and cause distractions?  you know...totally suck as much energy out of the movement as possible?


*is she even hot?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 14, 2008, 10:55:44 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=7555.msg133707#msg133707
Interesting how many of the accounts on that thread are deleted

would it be out of the realm of reason to think that the feds are planting smokin' hot harlots* into the movement in an effort to break up families and cause distractions?
Totally stupid idea.
Then again, only about as crazy a plan as putting Thallium salt into Castro's shoes to make his beard fall out. (http://www.newser.com/story/19573.html)

*is she even hot?
No.

Personally, I always assumed she had done a lot of cocaine and/or been a prostitute in her sordid past. She just gave off that vibe. And had that sunken, looks-older-than-she-probably-is appearance. OTOH, she always dressed real skimpy and never missed an opportunity to "casually" touch guys just a little longer than normal social interaction would require.

That said, I never thought of her as being a "bad" person... just someone in whose life I'd avoid getting entangled in any way whatsoever, beyond giving my drink order and leaving a tip.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 11:32:19 PM
Isn't she the same chick that had some weirdness going on with NHArticleTen?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 14, 2008, 11:40:53 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=7555.msg133707#msg133707
Interesting how many of the accounts on that thread are deleted

What is a thread?

I'm not sure why, but Kat didn't delete my account when she banned me:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=992

It's almost hilarious that they delete some of your posts.
http://forumnazis.com/
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 14, 2008, 11:44:02 PM
This is silly. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 15, 2008, 01:22:34 AM
Bill cheated with Ivy, is this really a big deal.  Maybe, which goes to my next question.  Did Bill and Kate have kids, I didn't know that?

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: dalebert on March 15, 2008, 08:29:28 AM
would it be out of the realm of reason to think that the feds are planting smokin' hot harlots* into the movement in an effort to break up families and cause distractions?  you know...totally suck as much energy out of the movement as possible?

I'm embarassed to say that the suspicion of social sabotage, and even with this particular person, and even before this particular incident, has entered my mind. However, not being the conspiratorial type, I banished the thought.

On the other hand, there is this: http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20168.0
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 15, 2008, 11:33:29 AM
Isn't she the same chick that had some weirdness going on with NHArticleTen?

I'd like to know who that space cadet in his avatar is.



AS for the other thing, I don't care.  Its been stated she's not hot, according to Denis who I presume knows quality poontang when he sees it.  If she were hot, I'd make a mental note of it and file it under "possible to put my cock in" if I ever happen to make my way to NH for some event...  which is about as likely as me showing up in Tibet. 

(Draw your own conclusions on the possibility of my traveling to Tibet)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 15, 2008, 03:05:56 PM
Isn't she the same chick that had some weirdness going on with NHArticleTen?

I'd like to know who that space cadet in his avatar is.



Nevermind. 

Quote from: Douchey LaRue
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...

Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid. 

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: ny2nh on March 15, 2008, 03:52:58 PM
Its been stated she's not hot, according to Denis who I presume knows quality poontang when he sees it.  If she were hot, I'd make a mental note of it and file it under "possible to put my cock in" if I ever happen to make my way to NH for some event...

Denis has good judgment. : )

Do yourself a favor and scrub that mental note....I can't seem to post a picture, or I could share what this "hottie" looks like....
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Laetitia on March 15, 2008, 05:18:44 PM
Its been stated she's not hot, according to Denis who I presume knows quality poontang when he sees it.  If she were hot, I'd make a mental note of it and file it under "possible to put my cock in" if I ever happen to make my way to NH for some event...

Denis has good judgment. : )

Do yourself a favor and scrub that mental note....I can't seem to post a picture, or I could share what this "hottie" looks like....

If he's seen Dave Ridley's jello wrestling event (youtube video) which was posted here a while back - she was the blond in the match, wasn't she?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: russellkanning on March 15, 2008, 05:46:35 PM
I guess some people look at divoce as freedom  :?

Yeah, because it was so much better when the government could force you to remain bound.
Now they just make the guy pay.
You can call alimony and child support freedom if you want to.

Russel considers it freedom.

yea...I think he said he is $120,000 in the rears for child support.

I would guess that is why he doesn't have a drivers license. The state takes it when you are a "dead beat dad". That is probably also the reason he doesn't use his social security number...cus his wages would be garnished up to 60%.

 But it's nice that he lets people think it cus he is such a freedom lover.
Hey .... that must be me you are talking about. Why do I lose a small 'l' when people don't like me?

You are mostly right. Having the government enforce my exwife's wishes helped me see how bad the whole system was. i do love freedom though ... don't we all?

I know Blackie ... by the internet ... do I know you bonerjoe?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Laetitia on March 15, 2008, 06:02:47 PM

Hey .... that must be me you are talking about. Why do I lose a small 'l' when people don't like me?

You are mostly right. Having the government enforce my exwife's wishes helped me see how bad the whole system was. i do love freedom though ... don't we all?

I know Blackie ... by the internet ... do I know you bonerjoe?

I'm sure BJ was just trying to do his part for conservation, but lacks the comitment to reduce his use of double leters beyond 50%?

As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Is a shame the states don't drop out when the parents start working together. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: ny2nh on March 15, 2008, 07:36:30 PM
Do yourself a favor and scrub that mental note....I can't seem to post a picture, or I could share what this "hottie" looks like....

Here you go....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK3wJmNPQn8
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 15, 2008, 11:18:28 PM
Can she call off the california child support enforcement

Fat chance...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 16, 2008, 12:06:36 AM

Quote from: Douchey LaRue
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...

Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid. 



 :cry:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 16, 2008, 12:11:07 AM

Quote from: Douchey LaRue
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...

Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid. 



 :cry:

Get it fixed.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 16, 2008, 01:22:40 AM

Quote from: Douchey LaRue
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...

Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid. 



 :cry:

Get it fixed.

I never even used both of them until high school, and I still don't sign both of them most of the time. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 16, 2008, 10:11:58 AM

Quote from: Douchey LaRue
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...

Chicks with hyphenated last names are stupid. 



 :cry:

Its meant for marriage reasons.  When formally adopted you're to make a choice, and I guess the hyphenation is one of the choices, but it's probably the lesser of the three..  meaning old, new or hyphenated.  I'm guessing you did it as an acquiescence to Horhay and mom - if you had a choice at all.  Often, parents will have a mentality like "what will the neighbors think?"  it's kinda meant for show.  If I was in a mixed marriage situation and the kid had any qualms I wouldn't insist, the kids identity and emotional connections with the past is more important than my opinions.  Any legal reasons are bullshit, insurance doesn't care as long as you can show legal custody.   

Just sayin.  I'm speaking from the POV of a dad.  If I expired and my X pulled shenanigans like that on my kids I'd be pissed - and the little Braskys would be, too.  Its their choice, nobody elses. 

Luckily, my opinions on legality and government and morals have been slowly absorbed into her thick skull, at a glacial pace, but still absorbed nonetheless.  I would rule from whatever dimension I inhabit, with softball-sized hail and lightning to punctuate my displeasure.  Nests of vipers.  Reality becomes blurry in my presence.  Theres no doubt I would muster the force to reach through the thin ethereal and choke a bitch on occasion. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 16, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
No, I didn't do it at all.  My parents weren't married when I was born, and the hospital wouldn't allow them to put just my father's last name on the birth certificate or something.  They told me once years ago, but I wasn't really listening.  It had something to do with them not being married, though. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 16, 2008, 11:47:29 AM
No, I didn't do it at all.  My parents weren't married when I was born, and the hospital wouldn't allow them to put just my father's last name on the birth certificate or something.  They told me once years ago, but I wasn't really listening.  It had something to do with them not being married, though. 

Hospitals are chock full of assholes.  They often know not of what they speak.  The fathers name is law, if his name is on the BC and its not disputed.  If theres any static, it's because the mother put her two cents in, and wanted things to be partially her way. 

Sometimes they'll actually lie to the father and tell him bullshit, and talk to the mother privately.  If the mother says its his kid and he doesn't dispute it, it gets the fathers name if both parents agree.

It could even vary from case to case within the hospital, depending on which cunt is working the social worker job that day. 

I hate people in bureaucratic positions.  Thats the stuff that starts the ball rolling on many problems.  They bend to Planned Parenthood and pressure single moms to consider adoption, when they should just shut their fucking mouths.  I would suggest any young moms who go into a hospital to give birth carry a stack of lawyers business cards.  Every time someone says one strange thing to them, hand them a card.  The lawyer would surely give her a fat stack of cards to carry, he'd be delighted. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Barterer on March 16, 2008, 01:12:48 PM
Quote from: Douchey LaRue
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Just to clarify, what I called Douchey was John Shaw's posting of NHA10's widely-known personal info, not NHA10 himself.  No offense meant to either guy.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BKO on March 16, 2008, 01:34:32 PM
Well, the Free State Pronject appears to be right on track, per usual.

Congrats.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: DogOn on March 16, 2008, 04:56:24 PM
The sucky part is I think they all have kids.  :(

I can only imagine your parents never divorced or you're an oversensitive whiner.

Parents divorcing is rarely distressing for kids in my personal experience, and it definately is not an obligatorily upsetting situation. "staying together for the kids" is just nuts.

My parents are two separate people. If one or both no longer wants to be in a relationship then I'm happy for them to make a change. The only difference it has made to my childhood is I got Christmas at 2 houses instead of 1. Even at the age of 6, I understood that my  . In my early, so if anything divorce was a positive affect on my relationship with my parents.

Out of all my close friends whose parents divorced non of them feel like they have lost out in any respect of their childhood or relationship. Not to say that divorcing can't be an upsetting for children, but in those cases any distress is just a symptom of bad parenting, there is no reason why 2 smart, caring parents can't amicably divorce without adversely affecting their children's lives. If anything 2 people staying in an unhealthy relationship for the "sake of the kids" will only cause more bad feeling and friction that is even more likely to spill over onto the kids. If there has been major emotional turmoil between a couple with kids, the last thing they need is to try and pretend nothing happen and contain all that anger and distress into one household.

 My parents were both very considerate to the feelings of me and my siblings at the time, and they way over estimated how big a deal it was.

In my opinion, all the hype around divorce affecting kids just adds more credence to the ideal nuclear family myth, and gives more pathetic people a chance to bitch about something in their life that has no real significance.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on March 16, 2008, 05:22:54 PM
I don't think there are kids involved in this case.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Puke on March 16, 2008, 06:53:05 PM
Only one party has kids, an it ain't the married one.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 16, 2008, 08:13:31 PM
No, I didn't do it at all.  My parents weren't married when I was born, and the hospital wouldn't allow them to put just my father's last name on the birth certificate or something.  They told me once years ago, but I wasn't really listening.  It had something to do with them not being married, though. 

Hospitals are chock full of assholes.  They often know not of what they speak.  The fathers name is law, if his name is on the BC and its not disputed.  If theres any static, it's because the mother put her two cents in, and wanted things to be partially her way. 

Sometimes they'll actually lie to the father and tell him bullshit, and talk to the mother privately.  If the mother says its his kid and he doesn't dispute it, it gets the fathers name if both parents agree.

It could even vary from case to case within the hospital, depending on which cunt is working the social worker job that day. 

I hate people in bureaucratic positions.  Thats the stuff that starts the ball rolling on many problems.  They bend to Planned Parenthood and nwould surely give her a fat stack of cards to carry, he'd be delighted. 

I honestly have no idea.  I mean, they were both present during the birth, just not married.  They did it wrong.  They got married later, and then divorced, and then lived together for ten years after that. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: russellkanning on March 16, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 16, 2008, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Douchey LaRue
It's Margot Sanger-Katz, a reporter from the Concord Monitor in New Hampshire...
Just to clarify, what I called Douchey was John Shaw's posting of NHA10's widely-known personal info, not NHA10 himself.  No offense meant to either guy.

Just to clarify, what I posted was from NHA10's explanation of who the chick in his avatar is, and I changed his name to Douchey LaRue.  Because I mean to be offensive. 

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 16, 2008, 10:40:01 PM
As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.

I have a friend who pays $800 per month in child support to his ex-wife for his son.  She wants more.  She is a nurse, who makes pretty fucking good money on her own, takes the $800 in child support for that kid, and has two other kids with her OTHER ex, whom she collects $1600 per month from.  I just can't identify with the greedy bitches.  I just can't.   :(
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 16, 2008, 10:44:59 PM
As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.

I have a friend who pays $800 per month in child support to his ex-wife for his son.  She wants more.  She is a nurse, who makes pretty fucking good money on her own, takes the $800 in child support for that kid, and has two other kids with her OTHER ex, whom she collects $1600 per month from.  I just can't identify with the greedy bitches.  I just can't.   :(

this...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 17, 2008, 09:35:34 AM
The sucky part is I think they all have kids.  :(

I can only imagine your parents never divorced or you're an oversensitive whiner.
I'm glad I was thinking of different bill + kate couple.

Divorces like this don't go well. But anyway, it's nice that your parents had a "happy" divorce. Did they have a party?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 17, 2008, 09:49:23 AM
As for the Ex, didn't I read on NHUnderground you two are on the way to some sort of understanding lately? If so, that's great - especially if it leads to you & your parents re-establishing contact with your children. Can she call off the california child support enforcement, or are you going to continue to be stuck on "deadbeat" status?
Our big breakthrough last May .... was that she allowed me to actually see my kids for the first time in 4 years. I don't know when I will see them again.
She still wants me to pay.

I have a friend who pays $800 per month in child support to his ex-wife for his son.  She wants more.  She is a nurse, who makes pretty fucking good money on her own, takes the $800 in child support for that kid, and has two other kids with her OTHER ex, whom she collects $1600 per month from.  I just can't identify with the greedy bitches.  I just can't.   :(

this...

In NH child support is a percentage of your pay. I guess the feds can garish your pay up to 60%...but a guy I work with pays something like $2400 for two kids, and he had custody of one.

He got kicked of the the house by the cops, who showed up one night and told him he had five minutes to gather up his shit, and, they took his guns. And he couldn't go back without a police escort. Pretty much ever again. He also had to pay the property taxes on the house until it got sold a year and a half later.

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/THINKING/Silver_bullet.htm
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The "Silver Bullet Technique" 

The "silver bullet" technique involves a carefully contrived, and set up false accusation of Domestic abuse, or, when possible, the provocation of real incident of Domestic abuse.  Those who perpetrate this scam will make the charge of Domestic abuse, no matter what their victim does, or fails to do.

In many cases they close joint bank accounts, and make doctors appointments, BEFORE they create the "incident".

It happens hundreds of times every day. 

This technique is being taught by political activists, who pose as victim's advocates. It is a means of gaining advantage, in any confrontation- particularly divorce. It gives the complaining party (referred to as the "victim"), immediate exclusive custody to the house, to the contents of the house, and to the children. It gives the REAL VICTIM (referred to as the "Defendant")  the responsibility for all of the bills, while he is trying to deal with suddenly becoming homeless.

The perpetrators call themselves "victims".

The REAL victims generally do not have a clue what was done to them.

Over and over we see the following interesting phenomenon:

1.  A marriage has existed for decades. There was never a call to 911, never a policeman in the house, never a complaint to family court, never a complaint to the Department of Social Services, never a time when the wife left the house "to avoid abuse".

2. The wife goes to see a divorce attorney, for reasons known only to herself.

3. Within a few weeks there is a call to 911, police in the house, a complaint to family court, a complaint to the Department of Social Services.  On the night of the alleged abuse the wife leaves the house "to avoid abuse".  The next day she has her husband thrown out of the house by the court.

4. OF COURSE, the divorce attorney claims no involvement in creating such a strange change in the pattern of this marriage.

The first step is usually a complaint for relief from "domestic abuse". This is filed in Family Court Relief from "domestic abuse" is a civil action for restraining orders.

"Separate the combatants" is the goal of the family court. There is very little consideration given to the question of who is to blame. The more important consideration is the question of which "combatant" is best able to deal with suddenly becoming homeless. 

It does not take too long to figure out that it is usually the man, who suddenly becomes homeless.

Women generally know this, when they complain.

This is not a game for tramps only.  If the most exalted love of your life ever becomes "a woman scorned", you could STILL SEE THIS HAPPEN. Most of these "women scorned" scenarios involve WIVES.

The "silver bullet" technique is a system of stripping you of your property, your right to own a gun, and your freedom. It can put you out of you own home, with no access to your own money, your children, or your possessions. It can cause you unlimited legal expenses. It can turn your friends and family against you.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 17, 2008, 10:27:29 AM
When I got banned from the http://forumnazi.com site, it was ivy that was so upset by my comment:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13160.msg226492#msg226492

They are saying worse stuff about her.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 17, 2008, 10:33:54 AM
News flash, more and different drama...
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.0
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 17, 2008, 10:35:23 AM
If he likes it so much, they should just keep him in there for good.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on March 17, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
If he likes it so much, they should just keep him in there for good.
Apparently, you've never heard of CD before. Are you even an FTL listener?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 17, 2008, 11:59:21 AM
If he likes it so much, they should just keep him in there for good.
Apparently, you've never heard of CD before.

I have, and I think it just makes you look dumb.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on March 17, 2008, 12:51:20 PM
I guess now it is time for the couple of buffoons to whip out there FREE RUSSEL KANNING  t-shirts and make like he is some kind of hero for being a fucking idiot. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on March 17, 2008, 01:05:41 PM
I prefer not to use the term Anarcho Capitalist Civil Disobediance, I prefer Free Marketeer "Making A Fucking Scene and Fixing Nothing"
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Barterer on March 17, 2008, 01:42:49 PM
Most of what you guys are saying is true.

Token counterpoint: That "outlaw manicurist" guy, Michael Fisher, did some CD, got arrested, got people talking about the stupid NH laws concerning license requirements for health & beauty spa people, and those requirements were subsequently rolled back.  I know.. whoop-dee-doo. 

If the same was done for engineering (or any field where the regulations aren't totally absurd) that would encourage me to move.  Fat chance though, because the statist's "Safety and Welfare of the Public" argument has a hell of a lot more clout when you're talking bridge beams and skyscrapers.. vs. hair and fingernails.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Puke on March 17, 2008, 05:26:56 PM
Are you even an FTL listener?

He's just a whiny bastard that sticks to the FTL forum like a heroin addict.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 17, 2008, 05:59:35 PM
and those requirements were subsequently rolled back

Do you have evidence to back this up?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 17, 2008, 06:00:04 PM
Are you even an FTL listener?

He's just a whiny bastard that sticks to the FTL forum like a heroin addict.

At least I didn't move to NH for a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 17, 2008, 06:08:39 PM
"Russell's being held on $10,000 bail. ... Now he's in jail for not paying child support"

Guess he thought they were fucking around about that shit. Haha.

Of course I don't agree with using government force to collect what should be a voluntary payment. But, that doesn't mean they ain't gonna git ya.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Barterer on March 17, 2008, 08:38:07 PM
and those requirements were subsequently rolled back

Do you have evidence to back this up?

http://nhindymedia.org/newswire/display/2577/index.php
Quote
Legislator to sponsor "Outlaw Manicurist" bill

Over two months after going to jail for performing an unlicensed manicure, Newmarket resident Mike Fisher is still reaping rewards for his sacrifice. This week State Representative Paul Hopfgarten publicly announced he would sponsor legislation easing barriers to entry for aspiring manicurists and other cosmetic startups.

"We'd need to craft it in such a way that it would be palatable to the majority of the House and Senate," writes the Derry Republican, "but YES, I would be willing to sponsor."

On May 9, Fisher appeared outside the the Board of Barbering, Cosmetology, and Esthetics office in Concord and began administering for-profit manicures without a license. Board representatives called police, who then cuffed and jailed him when he refused to stop. Fisher aimed to draw attention to the idea that "in a free country, you do not need permission from the government to start a business." He succeeded in achieving statewide headlines, but now he's achieved something more: the promise of legislative action to ease business regulation.

"I think that would be awesome," says Fisher. "It's a very hopeful development to see that we're getting support from all different types of people."

The exact wording has yet to be determined. But Fisher has said he hopes the bill will significantly reduce the number of hours of training required to attain a license from the Board and limit required training to issues that have to do with customer safety only. Currently the state requires hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars worth of schooling to buff a nail for profit.

but looking at the current requirements..
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXX/313-A/313-A-mrg.htm
Quote
    313-A:12 Qualifications; Manicurists. – A person, to be issued a manicurist's license by the board, shall, in addition to satisfying the requirements of RSA 313-A:11, I(a), (b), and (e):
    I. Have completed a course of at least 300 hours of professional training in manicuring, in a school approved by the board and passed an examination conducted by the board; or
    II. Have satisfied the requirement set out in RSA 313-A:11, I(d) and, as an apprentice in a salon, received, in the opinion of the board, the equivalent of the course required under paragraph I.

Still 300 hours of training required.  Achievement:  lip service.  Sons of bitches.  Well, I guess that demolishes the last scrap of hope I had for the CD gang.  Sad.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Puke on March 17, 2008, 08:39:52 PM

At least I didn't move to NH for a pipe dream.

Yeah, I guess posting on a BBS is your idea of giving a shit.
Good job Gandi.  
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: hellbilly on March 17, 2008, 08:46:43 PM
im not to going to read through all that shit, but i have a question for those who live up there from someone who thinks it sounds like a great idea..

is it really such a small community of individuals that everyone not only knows one anothers personal affairs, but actually gets off on choosing sides and creating a scandal?

maybe its my limited exposure, but from the interactions i see here and reports about the other forum- this movement is already as bad as any other. im hoping its just the type of people who like to frequent internet forums and cause a little ruckus now and then.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 17, 2008, 08:50:33 PM

At least I didn't move to NH for a pipe dream.

Yeah, I guess posting on a BBS is your idea of giving a shit.
Good job Gandi.  

You know I won, so shut up.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 17, 2008, 09:06:44 PM
is it really such a small community of individuals that everyone
Do the math... there are 500_ FSPers in-state.
Most of them don't listen to FTL.
Most of them don't post on NHFree, or on here.

Most of them have at least met many of the others -- after all, having moved, wouldn't you want to at least go to a BBQ or "Meet The Porcs" house party to see who these people are? Plus if you're politically active, you see the other FSPers, at LP events, in the State House, at the Ron Paul meetups, or similar such.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 17, 2008, 11:08:58 PM
is it really such a small community of individuals that everyone not only knows one anothers personal affairs, but actually gets off on choosing sides and creating a scandal?

No.  Hell, even the various FTL hosts don't know quite a few things about each other.  I given money to and stayed with people in NH and they don't even know my full name.  But, considering the movement started around 2000, some people have known each other for years and people tell people things about themself.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: hellbilly on March 18, 2008, 12:58:55 AM
good to know fellers. cant never tell these days what with the ways people are.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 18, 2008, 07:39:51 AM
good to know fellers. cant never tell these days what with the ways people are.
There are lots of people in NH like you.   :(
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Laetitia on March 18, 2008, 01:28:22 PM


http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/bin/THINKING/Silver_bullet.htm
Quote
The "Silver Bullet Technique" 

The "silver bullet" technique involves a carefully contrived, and set up false accusation of Domestic abuse, or, when possible, the provocation of real incident of Domestic abuse.  Those who perpetrate this scam will make the charge of Domestic abuse, no matter what their victim does, or fails to do.

...

The "silver bullet" technique is a system of stripping you of your property, your right to own a gun, and your freedom. It can put you out of you own home, with no access to your own money, your children, or your possessions. It can cause you unlimited legal expenses. It can turn your friends and family against you.

I know many divorce lawyers in Georgia will file for a restraining order as part of the initial filing, just to scare the crap out of the husband and make it easier to get concessions - which I think is a shitty thing to do without cause. There have been appeals to remove the restraining orders by men who were no longer able to purchase or own guns, including some police officers.

But... Holy crap! I've never seen this full plan before.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: hellbilly on March 18, 2008, 06:07:47 PM
good to know fellers. cant never tell these days what with the ways people are.
There are lots of people in NH like you.   :(

hey Blackie, how you doing buddy?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Puke on March 19, 2008, 06:21:07 AM
You know I won, so shut up.

You're right, here is your trophy.
(http://www.forumapex.com/attachments/anything_goes/8051d1070806039-13th_annual_asshat_awards-sshat_trophy.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 19, 2008, 07:23:30 AM
hey Blackie, how you doing buddy?
awesome!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 19, 2008, 07:50:37 AM
You know I won, so shut up.

You're right, here is your trophy.
(http://www.forumapex.com/attachments/anything_goes/8051d1070806039-13th_annual_asshat_awards-sshat_trophy.jpg)


Awesome!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 19, 2008, 10:04:24 AM
Are you even an FTL listener?

He's just a whiny bastard that sticks to the FTL forum like a heroin addict.

Is it better to whine in groups? 

I don't like to depend on people.  I don't change my tune... or alter my opinions... or KEEP QUIET WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY due to the influence of people who would consider me a noob within their ranks.  You know, in certain groups, you have to establish yourself within the pecking order, and this particular group definitely has a pecking order.  I don't take kindly to people who feel they are superior to me simply because they've been there longer, or that their exposure to a certain element somehow makes them more intelligent or my opinions are imperfect, insignificant, or immature within the constructs of the group - as if I was just born under the front porch, just because they've never seen my face - while others who have deeper social connections are tolerated and spew idiocy, and they feel that they're in the position of elite, king-makers who would fail miserably in a world where they're judged on merit and not how many years they've been among a crowd.  Much like Anton's argument that post count doesn't matter here in a forum, which is true to a certain degree, it also applies to real life, and much more severely.   

Fuck the herd mentality.  I don't have a problem with people who organize to communicate and agree on a direction to nudge the voting issues, that is commendable.  Its how every other ideology operates, and what must be done to enact reforms of "our" own desire.  But the borderline commune mentality bothers me.  Join us, and you will benefit in numerous ways.  We will help you, if you help us.  Well, guess what?  I would like to receive that help within a society, but I don't want to give out more than I get.  I don't want to meet a few people and get help moving my couch, and then be expected to move everyone elses couch.  And so, I reject the offered community and its help.  I will build my own life and social network, expect nothing from it, and owe it nothing in return - in my state, which is no better or worse, depending on individual issues. 

Its certainly not so much better in NH to make me throw everything away, and its unlikely it ever could be.  People fail to realize most of their time is spent in private, where anything goes, and if you're smart enough you can live your life in any manner you desire, no matter where you are. 

And, I won't have to amend my opinions.  I won't have to wonder if they're acceptable to the group.  I prefer the group to be eclectic and dynamic, rather than like-minded and fickle. 



Amusingly enough, Puke has me on ignore - and he uses ignore often.  A young man with military background, and very opinionated, as if his time is so valuable that he can't be bothered to see very similar comments, from the other side of the river.  It disturbs me that he and a few select others who are among the cabal of NH supporters consider themselves to be superior, as this is where the majority of my "ignorers" come from.  I guess they just don't like to see people who are close enough in proximity to their own beliefs, yet won't bend to the majority out of social necessity. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on March 19, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
If you're content to live w/i your 4 walls--great. Most aren't. As for Puke, my guess is he's busy promoting freedom and doesn't need to be bothered with busybodies that constantly pooh-pooh any action towards freedom. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when I move next year, I probably won't spend too much time nit-picking back and forth with people who aren't worth talking to. So, keep wasting your time on this pathetic thread.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 19, 2008, 12:37:17 PM
So, keep wasting your time on this pathetic thread.
OK.

What about game night at Ivy's?

Will Russell get out for burning porcupine?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 19, 2008, 01:18:16 PM
If you're content to live w/i your 4 walls--great. Most aren't.

I should live where?  Outdoors?  In other peoples houses?

Everybody lives inside their houses.  You have very few problems living inside your house.  Concentrate on the problems you experience within your home.

Think about those possible situations that could fuck with you inside your home.

I'll give you a minute to think about them...











So, problems inside your home.  What have you identified? 

Federal problems.  Wiretap.  Bank policies.  Guns.  Income Tax.  Social Security.  The Draft.  The War. 

Grow up.



Moving to NH won't solve those problems.  Only a fucking idiot would think moving into another state changes the federal statutes. 

If you expect the quality of your day-to-day life to raise because you moved to a state where other people will help you live better, YOU ARE A FAILURE because you needed help. 

Don't confuse the generosity of the local people for a change of the policy of the state.  Those are two totally different things.  People who think their lives are better due to charity are short sighted.  This is the allure of the FSP. 

I call it predatory charity. 

I defy and challenge all new FSP participants. 

Move there, and accept nothing.  Decline any involvement.  Don't meet people, don't accept anything. 

If you are totally committed, it shouldn't matter to you. 



Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on March 19, 2008, 01:30:34 PM
Sure, but why shouldn't you meet people or get involved?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 19, 2008, 01:42:24 PM
As for Puke, my guess is he's busy promoting freedom and doesn't need to be bothered with busybodies that constantly pooh-pooh any action towards freedom. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But when I move next year, I probably won't spend too much time nit-picking back and forth with people who aren't worth talking to. So, keep wasting your time on this pathetic thread.

Guess away.

I think "promoting freedom" is a bullshit answer. 

He's useless. 

Don't suggest he is able to "bring it".  Especially against me. 

He has me on ignore because he is fail.  Not because he is able. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on March 19, 2008, 03:47:24 PM
For the record, I don't even know Puke--but typically I'm inclined to stand up for FSP folks. I consider myself the political type and think that joining a consolidated group of libertarians is the only way to go. Obviously, the RP thing didn't work out. Plenty are trying to work w/i the GOP and play the party game in their respective states. To them I say good luck. I just don't want to waste the rest of my life fighting for liberty to no avail. I might have came off like a jerk, but I think its time to make a 'move.' For me, the FSP is the only answer. And by referring to 4 walls, I was reflecting on one poster who seemed to think you can have freedom by just shacking up. I can respect those who have other views but I will always make it known what I think. I know we can't escape the Fed rules as long as NH is a state. But, the key is to strive for the most amount of liberty while attempting to achieve it in the most effective way to date. That's all.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 19, 2008, 05:35:08 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230218#msg230218
Quote

(Russell, as you know, is a Christian.  When he married, he really meant for life.  His wife kicked him out without just cause.  She got everything...kids, house, all of Russell's personal possessions (which she wouldn't give to him).  Last he saw her she was driving a brand new Escalade.  After she kicked him out, she got a restraining order claiming he was violent (Mr. Pacifist, violent  ).  She refused to let him see his children.  She refuses to let him even call his children.  He decided he was not going to be a slave to some woman who treated him like that - to pay for her to take his children away from him.   He's offered to take the children.  He wanted nothing more than to stay there and raise the kids, be a family.  She chose otherwise.  Now he's in jail for not paying child support.  The kids don't even know why he doesn't call or see them - the mother lets them think he just doesn't care.  He won't be mean enough to her to tell the kids what's happening.)

Kat, I am so stunned by all of this. I cannot believe how wrong this all is. I would like to defend myself, and find this incredibly awkward. It saddens me how the truth about Russell's past has been completely obliterated by people who don't care enough about those facts to actually check them out. I have long felt the irony that Russell is only now a "pacivist"?? This wasn't our experience at all. Personally, I think it is an overcompensation for the violence he displayed in our marriage and towards our children. He did make strides to change, but it was my opinion, and others around me, including his own parents at the time, that his being with the children was NOT wise, as his lack of self-control was in danger of seriously harming them. We lived it. You have only heard one side of the story...and though I am sorry when anyone is unjustly treated, it bears repeating that one must know first if the punishment is in fact, just. If it is...then justice must prevail. The fact that he still defends those wrong actions tells me that his 'rehabilitation' was not effective. And yes, he owes his children a lot of money....over $100,000. What would you do if it were YOUR children?

Kat, I would like to specifically address some of the untruths you posted...
I don't own an Escalade. I own a 1997 Blazer.
I worked 2 jobs for a while for my kids, as Russell wasn't contributing anything towards their LIFE...life he contributed to, and said he would be responsible for.
I never asked for alimony. I made a special request that the $1200 mo child support (mandated by the court, not me) would be reduced. He refused to cooperate at all. At one point, I asked him to give the 3 kids a total of $50 mo...he adamantly refused, on some higher moral ground?? What moral ground is higher than providing for your own kids? Or at least contributing, even if you hate your Ex wife?
I didn't get the house at all. As a matter of fact, it was my idea that he move back into it...no court documents, just a verbal agreement, and live there. (I couldn't afford it, and that was finewith me to move.) He agreed to do this. The deal was that he would make the house payments, and that one day, if we both agreed to sell, we'd split the proceeds. 5 mos later, I got a fluke call from the mortgage co, informing me the house was about to foreclose. I called him immediately. He laughed and said he hadn't paid a dime. In fact, some transients were living with him, and he was using their pmts to live off. The gas was shut off, and they were cooking over an open fire in the living room. I asked him if I could call the realtor and at least try to avoid foreclosure. He agreed. We were able to sell it immediately. 6 mos later I got $700. So, if that is getting 'everything'....
When you say "she kicked him out without just cause"Huh? The financial elements were what was least wrong about my situation. I got a restraining order because he was close to killing our oldest son, after he'd lied (He was Cool. Russell kicked me in the stomach while I was pregnant, and on the ground, after he'd pushed me down. He did some awful things within 3 mo of being married. But it was when he started hurting the kids in drastic ways...not just a traditional spanking, that I began to be scared. I filed for a separation first, and we remained in that state for 2 years, until in my estimation, any hope of reconciliation was truly over.

I did make a lot of choices along the way...I stayed for many years, trying to work on a marriage with someone who was harming me. But in the end, I chose wisely to extricate myself from him. Initially, I did not want the children to spend time with him at all. They remembered some of the really bad times too. They never questioned my reasons....they knew!

Since the kids are older, I have encouraged letter writing and phone calls. They are not interested. (I know anyone reading this will believe that I have poisoned their minds...but truly, I didn't.) They just didn't want to. When I did make suggestions for some reconcilation with them, (letters/calls/visits) he has written them each once on their birthdays and Christmas. Period.

Russell is not innocent here. His past is finally catching up to him. Maybe if he had taken care of his prior responsibilities, at least in part, he wouldn't be where he is today. He is a fugitive by choice.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 19, 2008, 05:39:13 PM
Ooo...this is almost as good as Zack Bass' former wife's posts...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BKO on March 19, 2008, 05:58:09 PM
Drama indeed.

I'm waiting for the paperback, personally.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Puke on March 19, 2008, 06:01:40 PM
For the record, I don't even know Puke--

Even if everything fails I still like NH. I win either way.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 19, 2008, 06:10:11 PM
For the record, I don't even know Puke--

Even if everything fails I still like NH. I win either way.

Who care if Y2k! doesn't happen? We'll still be prepared for future potential disasters!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 19, 2008, 06:18:33 PM
See for yourselves:

http://www.sbcounty.gov/courts/flash.asp
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 19, 2008, 06:50:31 PM
where else in New England are you going to get an hour from mountains to the beach?  Nothing beats camping at Mount Washington.  Hampton Beach in the summer is craziness.  The seacoast 1A drive is gorgeous, but the walk is better. 

I love New Hampshire, I've been its neighbor for my entire life.  I can't wait to be there for a lot of reasons.  I can't wait to have the ugly Mass plate off my car.  I can't wait to not pay state income tax.  I can't wait meet new people in New Hampshire.  There are plenty more reasons I've got to move to NH. 

critics forgotten, they have no true argument for me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 19, 2008, 06:57:52 PM
I'm waiting for the paperback, personally.
Screw that. I wouldn't waste time reading that paperback. I'm waiting for the movie. And then only if it has titty scenes and hot actresses.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Puke on March 19, 2008, 08:44:43 PM

Screw that. I wouldn't waste time reading that paperback. I'm waiting for the movie. And then only if it has titty scenes and hot actresses.


I say "booyah" to this.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: dalebert on March 19, 2008, 09:01:10 PM
Puke rox.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 19, 2008, 09:07:28 PM
Puke rox.
Just for you, Dale, I'll let the movie version have some chiseled, hunky guys in it (assuming that does the trick for you)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: dalebert on March 19, 2008, 09:09:50 PM
Just for you, Dale, I'll let the movie version have some chiseled, hunky guys in it (assuming that does the trick for you)

I thought this was a movie about libertarians.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 19, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
Oh bah.  His ex-wife is posting now?  Shit. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 20, 2008, 07:43:17 AM
Ooo...this is almost as good as Zack Bass' former wife's posts...
This is much better.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: dalebert on March 20, 2008, 10:44:32 AM
Zack Bass was married? Damn, I didn't realize he went that far to hide his evolutionary advantage ( :wink: ).
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 20, 2008, 10:48:22 AM
Zack Bass was married? Damn, I didn't realize he went that far to hide his evolutionary advantage ( :wink: ).


I think he's on his 6th or 7th wife.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: freeAgent on March 20, 2008, 11:02:07 AM
Oh bah.  His ex-wife is posting now?  Shit. 

Her story seems to completely contradict Russel/Kat's version and I don't know anyone involved.  It would be interesting to know the facts, but since both sides sound completely plausible I'm not going to make any judgments for one or the other.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: dalebert on March 20, 2008, 11:10:38 AM
I know this much. I've known Russell and Kat and their daughter Kira for a while now and Mindy is a complete stranger to me. I feel safe in speaking for myself and a lot of others over here in NH who know them in saying that her accusations completely fly in the face of all of our experiences with the Kannings. And it's not like what you often here about "he was so quiet and seemingly harmless". It's not like Russell is one of those quiet types who seems to be hiding something dark. He seems quite open and sociable, and doesn't appear to be hiding anything beyond that he doesn't talk about his ex-wife, not even to smear her name.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 20, 2008, 12:04:16 PM
Any way you slice it, it's hard to paint Russel's current incarceration as an "act of civil disobedience", as there's not a clear, obvious State perpetrator.
Enforcing contracts is the one thing that most libertarians -- even anarchs -- think the State might need to do for awhile until private organizations can take it over. And unless you know Russell personally, this sure looks like an (implicit) contract dispute between private parties, where someone -- the State, or a DRO -- might need to step in to enforce contract at some point.

There is a party here that at least makes a vaguely plausible case for being victimized. That's key.
IF the former wife & child are really owed $100,000 then it sure might make sense to put the debtor into a work prison. Granted, this ain't a work prison, but the end results are not so different.

It's just not in the same ballpark as, say, a private agreement to perform a manicure, where the state goons bust in to stop it (no victim), or a man trying to board an aircraft (no victim, unless the airlines were to step forward -- and they could just throw him off of their property), or not paying taxes (no specific victim), or any other victimless "crime" for that matter.

In short, it REALLY sucks that he might be in jail a long time, and that time is virtually useless as an example of state-sponsored aggression.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 20, 2008, 01:09:32 PM
I'm waiting for the paperback, personally.
Screw that. I wouldn't waste time reading that paperback. I'm waiting for the movie. And then only if it has titty scenes and hot actresses.

I would like to make some mini-movies. Or a serious docu-comedy about the FSP.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 20, 2008, 01:59:05 PM
In short, it REALLY sucks that he might be in jail a long time, and that time is virtually useless as an example of state-sponsored aggression.


1 of the kids is his and 2 he adopted.  At most, make him pay for the 1 kid that is his, but only if he works and only a small percentage of his income.  Let's say he makes $1600 a month.  So, he should be charged $300 per month for 1 child or up to $600 per month for 3 children.

The state should not force child support, IMHO, though.  I see this as a 100% act of state agression, even if he did anything his Ex said he did.  He has already been punished for those things.  I don't see Mark being rearrested for stuff he did 15 years ago.  This whole thing is BS and Russell should be free.

And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried.  That doesn't make it right.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 20, 2008, 02:02:51 PM
Any way you slice it, it's hard to paint Russel's current incarceration as an "act of civil disobedience", as there's not a clear, obvious State perpetrator.
Enforcing contracts is the one thing that most libertarians -- even anarchs -- think the State might need to do for awhile until private organizations can take it over. And unless you know Russell personally, this sure looks like an (implicit) contract dispute between private parties, where someone -- the State, or a DRO -- might need to step in to enforce contract at some point.

There is a party here that at least makes a vaguely plausible case for being victimized. That's key.
IF the former wife & child are really owed $100,000 then it sure might make sense to put the debtor into a work prison. Granted, this ain't a work prison, but the end results are not so different.

It's just not in the same ballpark as, say, a private agreement to perform a manicure, where the state goons bust in to stop it (no victim), or a man trying to board an aircraft (no victim, unless the airlines were to step forward -- and they could just throw him off of their property), or not paying taxes (no specific victim), or any other victimless "crime" for that matter.

In short, it REALLY sucks that he might be in jail a long time, and that time is virtually useless as an example of state-sponsored aggression.


It is "disobedience" in the fact that the state has no business "assisting" and/or "demanding" "certain" "performance" from one and/or the other "parties" in a "divorce"...

Unfortunately, most couples involve the state as a third party in their "private" "union" when they erroneously request state "permission" in the form of a "license" to be "married"...

Then when one or both parties seek a divorce the third party, the state, gets to play dictator...with the approval of "the general population" and, of course, with the approval of the party that the judge "gives" "custody" and "support" and "alimony" to...

There are some states that figure child support based on what that state thinks is the average yearly cost to raise a child in that state...then the state determines how much of that amount each parent should pay...and that is regardless of which parent has custody...so you may have custody but still have to pay child support to the other parent...

This falls back to many erroneous "expectations" of the gooberment...like asking the gooberment to determine what an "adequate" education is...and how much one should cost...

It's subjective and therefore should never...NEVER be decided by third parties...if the primary parties can't come to an agreement...then so be it...no agreement...

Just like when you go to the orchard and offer the farmer a nickle for an apple he is charging ten cents for...he might say yes...or he might say no...if he says no...then you either give him ten cents or you don't get the apple...

Of course, then the government steps in and screws with everything...the farmer gets subsidies and then, in turn, is micromanaged by the gooberment goons...the customer is on welfare spending money taken at gunpoint from other people...and then the gooberment institutes price controls and demands that the farmer sell his apples below his costs(including his labor which he values at one point, and the gooberment devalues out of existence) and so the farmer is better off cutting all the apple trees down and using them for firewood...then nobody gets and fucking apples...

Unless there is a totally voluntary, full-disclosure contract between Russell and Mindy(which I'm sure that there is NOT)...then the fucking gooberment goons/bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries should stay the hell out of it altogether...

The thugs never do anything without the ultimate escalation being the threat of murder if someone steadfastly refuses to be "subject" to their "supposed" "jurisdiction" or "authority"...over another individual, sovereign planetary human being...

So they beat/abuse/rape/torture/mutilate/kidnap/imprison/murder in a direct and indirect attempt to maintain "power" and "control" over the rest of us...the slaves...the cattle...the beasts of burden...

Guess what they would do if everyone just stood firm and said "NO MORE"...

They would put their riot gear on and get busy...
What would they do...

beat you
hit you
kick you
smash you
spray you
burn you
cut you
shoot you
choke you
strangle you
stomp on you
tie you up
strap you down
tear your clothes off
rape your body
rape your space
rape your mind
tear gas you
pepper spray you
taser you
smash your genitals
let other prisoners rape you
let other prisoners cut you
let other prisoners beat you
murder you

I'm sure you can think of more ways that they use torture and fear to control everyone...



WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE QUIT PAYING THEM...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE QUIT WORKING FOR THEM...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE QUIT FEEDING THEM...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE REFUSE THEM FOR GOOD...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE REPEL THEM FOR GOOD...
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE DESTROY THEM...



So, you think they're going to stop doing these things...that get them "off" in a twisted perverted way...VOLUNTARILY!?!?!


Perhaps a few will see the writing on the wall...

Most of the rest...eh, not so much...


Read and/or re-read Atlas Shrugged today and quit supporting the looters/thugs/bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries!

They cannot operate forever without your consent...without your empowerment...and without your payment...

Become John Galt today!

Do the minimum necessary to survive...
Do your best to reduce and/or eliminate the amount of taxes and other fees that you "surrender" to the bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries...


And get ready for the ride of your life as the Amerikan Empire comes crashing to the ground...struggling, choking, gasping for breath...thrashing about...throwing you this way and that...trying to smash you back into submission...


We do live in truly interesting times...


As always, buyer beware...
Your mileage may vary...
Your target may move...
Your timing is yours...
No commands...
You're alone...
Individual...
Sovereign...
Human...
Being...
One...


THERE ARE MORE OF US...THAN THERE ARE OF THEM...
EVENTUALLY YOU WILL EITHER MAKE THE STAND...
OR YOU WILL FALL AND GROVEL AT THEIR FEET...
YOU WILL KNOW WHEN IT IS YOUR TIME...
AND YOU WILL CALL OR FOLD...
ALL IN YOUR TIME...
YOUR CHOICE...
YOURS...

NO ONE ELSE CAN OR WILL LEAD YOU TO ACTION...
YOU WILL MAKE THAT DECISION YOURSELF...
JUST LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHERS...
STAND TALL AND STAND FIRM...
AIM SMALL AND MISS SMALL...

THERE ARE MORE OF US...THAN THERE ARE OF THEM...

John Shaw!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 20, 2008, 02:56:15 PM

Go outside while the big people talk. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Laetitia on March 20, 2008, 04:33:52 PM
And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried.  That doesn't make it right.

Money paid until the former spouse remarries is called alimony. Totally different thing than child support - at least it's supposed to be.

I think the lines are getting a little blurry, thanks to the assumption the non-custodial parent should pay to maintain the same quality of life the child had before the divorce. That's just not reasonable, especially if the husband was the only one working full-time, and the income is going from maintaining one residence to two.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 20, 2008, 06:24:21 PM
As I understand it, it is not "The State" that is demanding the money here.
The State is acting as contract enforcer; the ex-wife is saying he has an obligation to make good on a financial obligation to help raise the kid.

Like I said: I dunno if Russ "really" owes her money (she says he does, he says he doesn't).
Why not agree to private arbitration? IIRC the ex-wife posted somewhere that she'd be open to that.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: dalebert on March 20, 2008, 11:10:31 PM
The monthly dues were an amount arbitrarily decided by the state in the first place after the wife decided to divorce Russell. They were also based on salary from a job that he is no longer comfortable with and may not even be able to resume if he wanted. He's pretty dirt poor right now. I gave up a high-paying job to live on my own terms. It's particularly disturbing when you're busting your ass in a 9 to 5 that makes you miserable just to hand over half of it over for taxes, (and I don't just mean income taxes) so I can relate. It makes you truly feel like a slave.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 20, 2008, 11:23:47 PM
As I understand it, it is not "The State" that is demanding the money here.
The State is acting as contract enforcer; the ex-wife is saying he has an obligation to make good on a financial obligation to help raise the kid.

Like I said: I dunno if Russ "really" owes her money (she says he does, he says he doesn't).
Why not agree to private arbitration? IIRC the ex-wife posted somewhere that she'd be open to that.


The "state" is a thug...plain and simple...guns for hire...to the biggest voting block of looters willing to put up with their shit as long as they are looting someone else...anyone else...besides the looters...

You are stating "the state is acting as contract enforcer"...
Please forward me a certified copy of this contract...
I will, of course, pay the expenses for this...

I'll continue to support Russell until I see a contract where he agreed voluntarily, with full disclosure...to specific terms...without any supposed person in a costume/dress/bathrobe holding the leashes of the goon squads with billy clubs, pepper spray, tasers, guns, etc. at the ready...

John Shaw!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 21, 2008, 12:40:09 AM
And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried.  That doesn't make it right.

Money paid until the former spouse remarries is called alimony. Totally different thing than child support - at least it's supposed to be.

Or, in my case, child support.  Once my mom remarried, my dad no longer paid child support because there were 2 parents supporting me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 21, 2008, 07:03:50 AM
And yes, my parents got divorced and it would have sucked if my dad didn't pay child support for the few years before my mom remarried.  That doesn't make it right.

Money paid until the former spouse remarries is called alimony. Totally different thing than child support - at least it's supposed to be.

Or, in my case, child support.  Once my mom remarried, my dad no longer paid child support because there were 2 parents supporting me.

That's not how it works now...during a divorce or a demand by one parent that another parent "contribute"...the "judge" decides who has custody from that point on...and who should pay what(different depending on the state)...and this "forced obligation" does not change until the child reaches 18...the court only "allows" the "contributions" to cease upon the successful adoption of the kids by the new husband...if the new husband makes a million dollars a year, but chooses not to adopt...the "contributions" must continue...

It's no wonder that men and women act the way they do towards each other...
It's exactly this sort of thing that is the reason why I advise young men to have a vasectomy so they can't be trapped by a woman...
I had both of these situations happen to me...
I had a verbal contract with my wife that we WEREN'T having kids and I made the mistake of trusting her(my fault for trusting anyone else)...
And...
Several years later, a gal I was seeing told me she was pregnant and it was mine...
Boy did I have the last laugh there...you should have seen the look on her face...
When I told her I was a certified blank shooter...OMG...LOL...

See, I knew I never wanted to bring children into this FU world and I tried desperately to get a vasectomy when I was 18.  Back in those days they hadn't perfected the reversal procedure so the doctors were very hesitant to perform these on young men(In a free market it would have been easy to find a doctor willing and able...in our FU country...not so much).  There was only one that would do it, and that was on the condition that I come back in six months with the same request...I didn't because in six months I was thousands of miles away from that particular doctor...

And because the medical industry isn't a free market...and because I couldn't trust even one other human being...I got screwed...

John Shaw!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 08:03:19 AM
It's not my fault. It's the state. It's the medical industry,. It's the thugs. Wasn't me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 08:17:52 AM
When is someone going to start a fund to pay off Russell's child support debt?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 21, 2008, 08:33:34 AM
When is someone going to start a fund to pay off Russell's child support debt?

Perhaps you're not following all the threads on this...or the previous ones...

Russell doesn't want anyone to bail him out...or pay fines...or pay any supposed "obligations"...

But I suppose if you wanted to pull it out of your pocket and give it to the bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...THEY would be DELIGHTED...

John Shaw!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 21, 2008, 08:49:32 AM
It's not my fault. It's the state. It's the medical industry,. It's the thugs. Wasn't me.

If you had gangrene in your arm and the doctors refused to help you(the doctors refusal is based on a government and/or industry "standard" that is arbitrary and capricious in this example)...and the arm later had to be amputated...you'd have cause to blame the doctors...unless, of course, you could treat yourself...or cut your own arm off...which people have actually done BTW...

And it IS the "state" and their crimes against the free market and basic human rights that is the issue here...

And it IS the "medical industry" who force "rogue" doctors either into submission...or out of business...

And they ARE most certainly thugs/bureaucrats/jackboots/mercenaries...

What else would you call someone that routinely points a gun at you and demands ANYTHING of you....

John Shaw!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 11:57:44 AM
If you had gangrene in your arm and the doctors refused to help you...and the arm later had to be amputated...you'd have cause to blame the doctors
um, no. Why should anyone be obligated to help me?
If someone does not want to help me, they should be able to refuse.


Quote
And it IS the "state" and their crimes against the free market
Crimes against the free market?
The free market should sue.


Quote
What else would you call someone that routinely points a gun at you and demands ANYTHING of you....
So anyone who enforces a contract(with a gun) is a thug.
Thugs won't go away in DRO world, they just become private thugs.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 12:00:26 PM
Please forward me a certified copy of this contract...
What certifications would you accept as valid?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 12:01:39 PM
When is someone going to start a fund to pay off Russell's child support debt?

Perhaps you're not following all the threads on this...or the previous ones...

Russell doesn't want anyone to bail him out...or pay fines...or pay any supposed "obligations"...

But I suppose if you wanted to pull it out of your pocket and give it to the bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...THEY would be DELIGHTED...
Well, I don't want to pay for a place for him to sleep and eat, and I have to do that now. I wish his "friends" would bail him out.

http://freerussellkanning.com/
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 21, 2008, 12:29:38 PM
Thugs won't go away in DRO world, they just become private thugs.
BINGO!

There is a word for private DRO's disputing a multibillion dollar contract.
That word is 'war'

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 01:02:34 PM
Fasting for Russell's release (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13396.msg230276#msg230276)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 21, 2008, 01:21:28 PM
Fasting for Russell's release (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13396.msg230276#msg230276)

That is the gayest thread I've ever seen. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 01:39:36 PM
I am going to drink a VitaminWater for Russell's release. It has B-12.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 21, 2008, 01:42:11 PM
I'm drinking beer, it has no animals in it. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 01:57:29 PM
A beer fast for Russell's release. They should do that on Tampon Tuesday.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on March 21, 2008, 02:03:39 PM
They should do that on Tampon Tuesday.
Heh, that's pretty funny :lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 21, 2008, 03:13:25 PM
The only thing that would get released is a bunch of watery explosive beer shits on Wednesday morning. 

Am I comparing a certain someone to a loose watery beer shit?

Stay tuned. 

Remember the Alamo!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 03:17:19 PM
Am I comparing a certain someone to a loose watery beer shit?
Something stinks in the free state.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 03:22:27 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230847#msg230847
Quote
So the system is shown, once again, for the fucked up looting thuggists that they really are.
And that is how the people like it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 03:46:35 PM
I cried so much I think I am dehydrated. I am getting dizzy.

Why God?

WHY?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 03:54:25 PM

Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Quote
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism.  This activism will help all children including yours.  You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 21, 2008, 03:57:13 PM
"Two months from now one of your children could disappear."

Iz dat a threat?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 21, 2008, 07:06:39 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13396.msg230293#msg230293
Quote
Some of the PMs I was getting were so crazy angry at Russell's Ex, that I thought I should give it a break, if only for her protection.  I don't want any of the gun slingers to get so crazy that they track her down and do something to her.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 22, 2008, 01:50:30 AM

Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Quote
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism.  This activism will help all children including yours.  You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.

I have no clue who that is.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 24, 2008, 07:06:06 AM

Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Quote
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism.  This activism will help all children including yours.  You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.

I have no clue who that is.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg231377#msg231377

How bout now?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 24, 2008, 08:58:53 AM

Guess who?
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg230852#msg230852
Quote
Russell has done more than a million dollars worth of freedom activism.  This activism will help all children including yours.  You should be as grateful for his contributions as the rest of us are.

I have no clue who that is.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg231377#msg231377

How bout now?

I don't buy it. Galt's posts are lame, but not overtly offensive. At least, not as offensive as Powerchuter's. At least, they weren't before I put Galt on Ignore for being so damn longwinded. Maybe he's worse now.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Barterer on March 24, 2008, 09:27:45 AM
Oh, you probably already know who it is...
Since the character in question...
likes to make slightly shorter...
sentences or fragments...
that come down to...
the main central...
point that he...
is trying...
to...
 :wink:

Bust.  But so what?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 24, 2008, 09:28:29 AM
Enjoi!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on March 24, 2008, 01:22:47 PM
John Shaw!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 25, 2008, 11:31:06 AM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg231659#msg231659
Quote
First of all, I would like to publicly thank those of you who understand what I am trying to say. I can't say enough how saddened I am by all that is happening to Russell. There will always be those who disagree, those who dissect each word...those who just have different views. This is not political for me. Its personal. Its what happened to me and to Joe, and Jesse and Katie. We worked very hard for many years, alone and without support. Thankfully, family and friends helped. However, Russell is where he is today, due to his personal choices. I have very little to do with that. And though I am glad he is out of our lives, I recognize he has a new life....but it is one that he is destroying. He robbed his first family, and now the pattern continues, albeit with a different slant. He is robbing his second family of his time and money too, just to make a point. He owes $139,000 to his children. He could have negotiated that out of court for many years.

For you, his supporters, why wouldn't he do that? Because you say, he couldn't see the kids...? He could have. I couldn't have stopped him, by law. And never tried...So what is your sticking point here? That I haven't given him enough chances? That because I wanted to be divorced from someone who physically harmed our children, I should 'go it alone'?

I am not a murderer, kidnapper...or otherwise, as one person so villified me. In my own defense, I have quite courageously handled many difficulties that Russell would not. At the end of the day, I look at our three wonderful kids...and thank God for how far He has brought us. And I have peace about it. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: ny2nh on March 25, 2008, 02:04:36 PM
The monthly dues were an amount arbitrarily decided by the state in the first place after the wife decided to divorce Russell. They were also based on salary from a job that he is no longer comfortable with and may not even be able to resume if he wanted. He's pretty dirt poor right now. I gave up a high-paying job to live on my own terms. It's particularly disturbing when you're busting your ass in a 9 to 5 that makes you miserable just to hand over half of it over for taxes, (and I don't just mean income taxes) so I can relate. It makes you truly feel like a slave.


I can appreciate anyone wanting to make a change in their life to find a better qualify of life....and that might mean giving up one particular job and living on far less and being far happier. But - and I think this is a big but - when you have children, you are responsible for them. Is it fair to the child that mom or dad just decide to up and stop supporting them? I know that the system often works against one of the parents (and all too often the father) but this is still about financially supporting your children. It shouldn't matter if they are natural born or adopted...no one forces someone to adopt children - and once you do, they're yours. IMO the rules that apply to those without children are different than those with. I am single and have no children, so, like dalebert, I can pick up and move wherever and however I like. The only person it effects is me. If, on the other hand, I had children, then then I need to first be responsible to them and then to myself. How would you feel if someone with kids just decided one day to not come home and feed the kids? It's really the same thing....just on a grander scale.

And I agree with Denis - this isn't civil disobedience - this is just contract enforcement. If Russel didn't like the contract, he should have attempted to change it.

That said - I feel bad for Kat - this has to be really hard to deal with.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 25, 2008, 02:12:06 PM
But - and I think this is a big but
Everyone I know has a big butt
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 25, 2008, 02:15:22 PM
How would you feel if someone with kids just decided one day to not come home and feed the kids? It's really the same thing....just on a grander scale.
Russell probably said he was going out to get coco-puffs and never came back.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on March 25, 2008, 06:14:35 PM
"I couldn't have stopped him, by law. And never tried..."

She had a restraining order put against him. Liar.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 25, 2008, 09:10:12 PM
It didn't expire until 2007. But Russell doesn't listen to the court.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on March 25, 2008, 10:43:52 PM
It didn't expire until 2007. But Russell doesn't listen to the court.

We hadn't noticed. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 28, 2008, 07:43:46 AM
Will Russell get out for burning porcupine?

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11858.msg232053#msg232053
Quote
I don't know if this festival will happen now.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 28, 2008, 11:49:12 PM
So, yeah, it is happening.  Hope to see you there Blackie?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on March 29, 2008, 09:42:25 AM
So, yeah, it is happening.  Hope to see you there Blackie?

No. I will be at the fisher fest.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 29, 2008, 02:13:36 PM
I'm moving to NH this summer so I should be able to make that, too!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 03, 2008, 12:55:17 PM

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg233008#msg233008
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This is my recollection  of what happened to my friend Russell

  Russell and Mindy married in 1990 and proceeded to become debt free. Mindy taught at a local Christian school (the one her parents built and she attended). They adopted two hard to place brothers and they finally had a daughter of their own in 1997. Mindy had become a stay-at-home mom. Both she and Russell became heavily involved at High Desert Church.

    In early 1999 Mindy visited her folks in Africa, came home and threw Russell out. One of her family's closest friends is a Christian marriage counselor at their church. They went to see him and he told her that their marriage could be healed and not to make any rash decisions. She never went back. Russell however continued for some years. Russell lived with us part time and part time with his sister some 100 miles away. This went on for about a year so Russell could continue giving all his pay to his family. Mindy had gone back to work and stopped going to church and stopped all the friendships she had had since childhood. After about a year she told Russell she needed more money. So Russell quit his job here at McWelco and started driving truck. After he was trained he became an owner-operator, hired a team driver and lived in his truck for the next six months and deposited all his earning in Mindy's account for his family. Some months he was giving her as much as $5000.00 a month. All this time he hoped that they would soon get back together as he did for some 5 years.  At the end of Russell truck driving for 6 month Mindy called him up and told him that she needed $4000.00. He reminded her that she receives all his money save a food stipend.  She said she had to have the money and suggested he barrow it from his 91-year-old grandmother in North Dakota. Russell refused.

    He realized that no matter how much money he gave her she would always need more and that essentially he was helping her not put his family back together. He returned home to find that she had abandoned their beautiful large four bedroom home and had taken a 2 bedroom apt that was less than $100 cheaper a month than the house and found the house was in foreclosure, Russell quit truck driving. The house was messed up, Russell tried repairing and taking renters to try to save the house for his family but he only staved off the inevitable. He also finally asked Mindy if she was ever going to try to repair their marriage. She said no so he told her he wasn't going to finance her disobedience to God anymore, and that she should come home. Well the joke was on him because when he returned home he found a notice from the D.A. explaining that he never gave his wife any money that he was now $25000 in dept and a criminal. He gleamed that some months ago she had her lawyer uncle put together the complaint and told falsehoods about his earnings at McWelco and of course claimed that she had received no money from Russell for the full almost two years they were, at that time, separated.

     Now the reason Mindy was so confidant that she would get away with lying was because like so many Christians she knows Russell would never let a court have authority over his marriage and family. He does recognize the church authority in this regard and as I said before, never, up to this point, stopped going to counseling when not driving. Russell would never even contest nor even recognize the court process. He would never even participate.

    So here we are in 2008 Mindy remarried 2 years ago and so did Russell. The 2 boys they adopted are grown and Katie is almost 11. Russell has not given her a dime for about 5 years. He has sent them a lot of things like clothes and computers and other necessities. Of course she would never let Russell visit the kids even before he stopped payment. Neither would she let Russell's folks visit them or his brother and sister nor their former pastor or friends she and Russell loved.

    Love Jay
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 03, 2008, 04:25:28 PM
So you are saying Russell is one of the best people ever and he is really the amazing person he led us to think he was?  Nice.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on April 03, 2008, 05:18:45 PM
So you are saying Russell is one of the best people ever and he is really the amazing person he led us to think he was?  Nice.

He's still not doing anyone any good by rotting in jail.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 03, 2008, 05:22:00 PM
This is why:

A) You shouldn't get married

B) You shouldn't have kids with a psychopath
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 03, 2008, 07:00:46 PM
So you are saying Russell is one of the best people ever and he is really the amazing person he led us to think he was?  Nice.

He's still not doing anyone any good by rotting in jail.
He is looting my money for food and a place to sleep.

RAD
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 11, 2008, 03:13:15 PM
Russell has been deleted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russell_Kanning

Keene Free Press is marked for deletion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keene_Free_Press


on the talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Keene_Free_Press
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We have cut back to 1 print edition per month to save money and trees. :)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on April 11, 2008, 03:43:58 PM
Fuckin' wiki fags.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 13, 2008, 08:36:27 PM
Bet Alex did it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 17, 2008, 12:02:34 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13428.msg235983#msg235983
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They lowered the amount of the ransom to $3000, so I'm going to go get him out, with a little help from friends.  I guess Mindy will get a new wardrobe for herself (which is what she did with the money right after she kicked Russell out.)

Russell is teaching them a lesson.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 17, 2008, 10:26:55 PM
Russell is Jesus.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 10:34:23 AM
I am wondering if Russell Christ is still doing the Grafton thing. For a while they talked about changing the name of the keene free press to the NH underground.....They seem to be back on the Keene thing now.

Around X-mas time Kat and Russell went to TX, I think. Before that they seemed to have moved to Grafton. But when they came back to NH, they did not say too much about location. Then, as soon as they announce they are going to be somewhere, Russell gets nabbed.

I wonder if they knew this shit was coming down. Was someone looking for Russell in Grafton back in December?

When will Russell start posting again?

Will Russell leave NH now this state is after him for being a dead beat dad?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 18, 2008, 11:29:27 AM
Our Russell, who art in heaven, hallow be thy name...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 18, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
About 1/2 the things Blackie just said were lies.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
About 1/2 the things Blackie just said were lies.
what half?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 18, 2008, 01:34:53 PM
About 1/2 the things Blackie just said were lies.

If I cared, I'd know if you were accurate. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 01:45:07 PM
My working theory is that Russell got ratted out by someone in Grafton.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 18, 2008, 01:55:56 PM
Grafton Lou Albano.  That'd be my guess.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 01:58:08 PM
prolly
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on April 18, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
Bet they'll blame you again.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 02:08:07 PM
I'm surprised they haven't yet.

I think it could have been one of his "friends" in Grafton. Or it could have been someone from the other side. I don't know, it's a mess.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 18, 2008, 02:38:48 PM
I am wondering if Russell Christ is still doing the Grafton thing. For a while they talked about changing the name of the keene free press to the NH underground.....They seem to be back on the Keene thing now.
WRONG

Around X-mas time Kat and Russell went to TX, I think. Before that they seemed to have moved to Grafton. But when they came back to NH, they did not say too much about location. Then, as soon as they announce they are going to be somewhere, Russell gets nabbed.
WRONG

I wonder if they knew this shit was coming down. Was someone looking for Russell in Grafton back in December?
WRONG

When will Russell start posting again?

Will Russell leave NH now this state is after him for being a dead beat dad?
SOMEWHAT WRONG
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 02:45:30 PM
I wonder if they knew this shit was coming down. Was someone looking for Russell in Grafton back in December?
WRONG

How can me "wondering" something be wrong?

I am wondering if Russell Christ is still doing the Grafton thing. For a while they talked about changing the name of the keene free press to the NH underground.....They seem to be back on the Keene thing now.
WRONG

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=2118.msg220558#msg220558
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I started trying out the new name for the newspaper - The New Hampshire Underground.  As I was trying to use it, it just wasn't working out right.  I like the name, but it doesn't automatically identify itself as a newspaper, and I wound up having to say the nh underground newspaper.  So I guess I'm going to go with The New Hampshire Free Press.  It's obviously a paper, it's statewide, it ties in with the old name better. 

BTW, I don't really have any letters to the editor for this month.  If anyone has something they want to rant about in print, feel free to send it along within the next few days.  I think I've about cornered my mother into writing something.  She was supposedly some hot writer in college, and wanted to be a writer for a living until she got hooked up with my dad.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 18, 2008, 03:05:05 PM
I'm surprised they haven't yet.

I think it could have been one of his "friends" in Grafton. Or it could have been someone from the other side. I don't know, it's a mess.

I might go up there and infiltrate those fuckers.

Keep that to yourself.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 03:07:49 PM
It wouldn't be hard. They almost beg for it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 18, 2008, 03:32:25 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13428.90
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the money spent yesterday will hopefully go to Mindy someday .... but it doesn't make things go away. my bill goes up at about $2200/month

I will try to pay her a few hundred each month. That might not keep me out of jail.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 24, 2008, 09:02:33 AM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=13365.msg236329#msg236329
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Most of what Jay said was correct.
Some of what Mindy has said is correct.

Sometimes I didn't make her feel loved or safe.
I held her down a couple of times and kicked in the front door once.
I held Joe up on a wall when he was arguing with Mindy once and she said that really scared her.
I used to get angry when things didn't go my way or I felt I had the "right" to something like respect.
I was depressed when Mindy separated and divorced me. But no way I threatened to kill them.

Since then I have learned that I should truly love the people around me unconditionally ... and sometimes I even do it.  I am working on loving my enemies.
I have learned I am not owed anything ... I mean anything. So I don't get mad or sad very easily or really at all.
I have slowly learned that even if I think I am right, I should not use force against other people, even those that are hurting me or others. Although I find it still hurts when you turn the other cheek.

I had not cooperated with Mindy since 2002 because I didn't want to make it easy for her to break up our family and withhold my kids from me. I also wanted to oppose this whole system that enslaves men.

But now I am giving in to her demands. The thugs won. I am going to give her what I can so I can possibly stay out of jail and live with my beautiful and loving wife Kat. I have not wanted to use government force to take the kids from Mindy and giving her money is not as bad as funding the feds torturing and killing of people. So she has the kids and has kept me from seeing them most of the time, but I will give in to her without expecting her to change her behavior.

I had no right to have a loving wife before ... but God has been good and given me one now.
I can't communicate with my kids right now, but maybe someday I will.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on April 24, 2008, 09:39:55 AM
Like I said, one only had to go and look up the public records on Russell.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 24, 2008, 09:43:45 AM
My working theory is that Russell got ratted out by someone in Grafton.

Russell wasn't "ratted out" by anyone...
The looters, bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries have an active, funded, and staffed team to work "counter-insurgency" against the advocates of Liberty and Freedom...

They monitor pretty much everything that we do and say...and they investigate each and every one of us looking for weaknesses and vulnerabilities...

Obviously they found one of Russell's...

Don't forget that we are at war here domestically...
The war between the producers and the looters...looters including anyone who receives part of the loot and booty stolen under threat at gunpoint by the bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...who, as is easily observed...only get their paychecks by using aggression/force/fraud against a peaceful and peace-loving people who just want to be left alone...

Why do you think they spent millions of dollars going after the Browns instead of using that money to hunt down all those serial killers that they aren't telling the public about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkA-c7M2BUc

[youtube=425,350]v/hkA-c7M2BUc[/youtube]


Notice how this New Hampshire State Trooper knows EXACTLY who he is pulling over BEFORE he even talks to her...even though she has NO vehicle registration for the trooper to "check" and "learn" who MIGHT be in the vehicle...

Go figure...

RAD

John Shaw!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 24, 2008, 09:56:08 AM

Russell wasn't "ratted out" by anyone...
Well, I have seen his "side" in Grafton threaten that type of shit before.

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Subject: DO NOT COME TO NH - EVER
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:45:13 -0400

==========================================

Mr. Xxxxx Xxxxxxxxx,

THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. WITH "FRIENDS" LIKE YOU, WE DON'T NEED ANY ENEMIES.

YOU HAVE POISONED THE WELL IN GRAFTON. THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR "HELP."

THE PEOPLE OF GRAFTON ARE ARMED, DANGEROUS, AND EXTREMELY PISSED AT YOU. EXCEPT FOR THIS MESSAGE, WE WILL CERTAINLY NOT PROTECT YOU.

IN FACT, WE WILL HELP THEM HANG YOU OUT TO DRY IN ANY LEGAL WAY POSSIBLE.

YOU ARE HEREBY WARNED. DO NOT COME TO NEW HAMPSHIRE EVER AGAIN.

THERE IS NO WARM, FUZZY FREEDOM COMMUNITY HERE FOR YOU. FOR YOU THERE IS ONLY AN EXTREMELY HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT OF YOUR OWN MAKING. STAY IN FLORIDA.

For Responsible Liberty,

================================================
John Barnes, J. D.
Vice Chair, 2d District, L P N H
Chair, Welcome to the Granite State Committee
.
Voice or Fax:
Inside USA: 1-888-221-8628 (Toll-free)
Outside USA: 1-312-893-0715 (Not toll-free)
.
E-mail: jbarnes@lpnh.org
================================================

If they think you will hurt their cause, they have no issue throwing your ass under the bus.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 24, 2008, 12:15:45 PM
Who'd want to live in Grafton anyway? Shit's worse than any southern small town I've ever been too, by far.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 24, 2008, 01:18:56 PM
Who'd want to live in Grafton anyway? Shit's worse than any southern small town I've ever been too, by far.

It has low taxes, a small government, nice people, wonderful views, low traffic, low crime, is right on a state road, low property values, and Blackie lives there.  Who wouldn't want to live in Grafton?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: jimmed on April 24, 2008, 01:26:21 PM
Who wouldn't want to live in Grafton?

Me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 24, 2008, 01:37:38 PM
Who'd want to live in Grafton anyway? Shit's worse than any southern small town I've ever been too, by far.

It has low taxes, a small government, nice people, wonderful views, low traffic, low crime, is right on a state road, low property values, and Blackie lives there.  Who wouldn't want to live in Grafton?

Don't forget no jobs,  no affordable low latency broadband, and meth labs.

http://doj.nh.gov/publications/nreleases/011706methamphetamine.html

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RELEASED BY: Kelly A. Ayotte, Attorney General 
SUBJECT: Methamphetamine Labs in Grafton County 
DATE: January 17, 2006 
RELEASE TIME: Immediate

Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire State Police Colonel Fred Booth; Leo Ducey, Drug Enforcement Administration; Plymouth Police Chief Anthony Raymond, and Grafton Police Chief Merle Kenyon report that two clandestine methamphetamine labs were discovered last week in Grafton County.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2006, members of the Attorney General’s Drug Task Force, New Hampshire State Police, and the New England Clandestine Lab Team executed a search warrant on the property of David Hall, DOB 12/10/47, on Beech Hill Road in Plymouth. Based on the strong chemical odor and the large number of items typically associated with the production of methamphetamine, they were able to determine that a methamphetamine lab had recently been operating in the building. David Hall, DOB 7/20/1970, was arrested at the scene and charged with a felony offense of manufacturing methamphetamine.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2006, members of the Attorney General’s Drug Task Force, the New England Clandestine Lab Team, and the Grafton Police Department executed search warrants for two properties in Grafton, one on Slab City Road and the second on Dean Hill Road. During the searches, the police discovered evidence of methamphetamine production, including a quantity of pseudoephedrine, the main ingredient used to produce the drug, and other items used in the production process. The following individuals have been arrested and charged with the felony offense of conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine: Roger Robie, 1/31/1968, of Grafton; Shane Hodgdon, DOB 10/23/1977, of Grafton; Ryan Wilson, DOB 1/13/1978, of Grafton; and, Pavel Sury, DOB 2/23/1976, of Meredith.

The presence of these two labs, says Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, highlights the need to take affirmative steps in this state to prevent the methamphetamine crisis that has plagued so many western states. While the number of clandestine labs discovered in New Hampshire to date is small, that number has increased dramatically in the last year. The process used by these labs to manufacture methamphetamine involves highly toxic and explosive ingredients, which create a serious risk of injury and long-term health problems to anyone exposed to them, in addition to the drug’s highly addictive nature. The legislature is currently considering a number of bills aimed at preventing the spread of methamphetamine labs in New Hampshire, including bills that would place reasonable limitations on access to ephedrine and pseudoephedrine-based products, one of the primary ingredients in the manufacturing process and increasing the criminal penalties for possessing or manufacturing methamphetamine. The passage of these bills would be a significant step towards curbing the production of this highly addictive drug in our State.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 24, 2008, 03:34:49 PM
Blackie, maybe you have never lived in a big city but people commonly travel some distance to work.  Internet is fine in Grafton.  And people make and use drugs everywhere.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 24, 2008, 04:43:33 PM
I guess you know what you are talking about. I mean, you drove thru, and went to ruggles mine. What the fuck else is there to know, right?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 24, 2008, 04:55:16 PM
  Internet is fine in Grafton. 
Tell me more about this.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 24, 2008, 04:58:36 PM
Blackie, maybe you have never lived in a big city but people commonly travel some distance to work.  Internet is fine in Grafton.  And people make and use drugs everywhere.

Right, being a resident of Grafton yourself, who could argue with your experience? :roll:

Why do you have to defend every single aspect of New Hampshire? Can you even admit that there are some bad things about it, or is that beyond you? There are a lot of great things about New Hampshire, but there are a lot of bad too. At least I can admit that.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on April 24, 2008, 05:10:02 PM
there needs to be more big titted women and larger buildings. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 24, 2008, 05:12:07 PM
there needs to be more big titted women and larger buildings. 

Those are on my top 10 list.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 24, 2008, 11:11:07 PM
  Internet is fine in Grafton. 
Tell me more about this.

Sat in the sky.

Dude, if you don't like Grafton, maybe you should move or try to change the place.  It is not perfect, but it is certainly far better than average for someone looking for freedom.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: YixilTesiphon on April 25, 2008, 12:11:48 AM
Look, if I'm living in NH, I'm living in Manchester, Nashua, or Keene. There's plenty of good things to say about those places without defending every aspect of NH. And I love NH.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 25, 2008, 08:38:36 AM
  Internet is fine in Grafton. 
Tell me more about this.

Sat in the sky.
Not low latency...also expensive,and many times has a bandwith cap.

The radio signal has to travel 22,000 miles to the sat, then back down....It ends up adding 1/2 second to the latency.....so anything interactive (like FPS games)sucks, as well as VPN access.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 25, 2008, 01:26:04 PM
Not low latency...also expensive,and many times has a bandwith cap.

The radio signal has to travel 22,000 miles to the sat, then back down....It ends up adding 1/2 second to the latency.....so anything interactive (like FPS games)sucks, as well as VPN access.
[/quote]

FPS games suck.  Well, I like the older PC ones.  W3D, Doom, ROTT, Doom 2, and Quake are about it for me.  It is not expensive, really.  Cable internet is $60 where I live and it has tons of problems and such (Comcastic).  It went down for an hour last night, and for some time the previous day. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on April 25, 2008, 01:52:30 PM
Let me explain something to you.

You are stupid.

Do we have to go over that again?

http://go.gethughesnet.com/HUGHES/Rooms/DisplayPages/LayoutInitial?Container=com.webridge.entity.Entity%5BOID%5B71A9F5B422ABCE4886D9492F66B5B589%5D%5D

require a 24-month service commitment. $399 for install and equipment, 59.99 per month for 700kbps/128Kbps

Download Threshold  200 MB


Download Threshold is the volume of data that can be downloaded continuously before the Fair Access Policy may restrict the download speed.


Fair Access Policy
To ensure fair Internet access for all HughesNet® subscribers, HUGHES® maintains a Fair Access Policy (FAP). This policy establishes an equitable balance in Internet access for HughesNet subscribers. Hughes assigns a download threshold to each service plan that limits the amount of data that may be downloaded during a typical day. A small percentage of subscribers who exceed this limit will experience a temporary reduction of speed.

Explanation:
The Fair Access Policy is straightforward. Based on an analysis of customer usage data, Hughes has established a download threshold for each of the HughesNet service plans that is well above the typical usage rates. Subscribers who exceed that threshold will experience reduced download speeds for approximately 24 hours.

During this recovery period, the HughesNet service may still be used, but speeds will be slower. Web browsing, for example, will be significantly slower than subscribers’ normal browsing experience. Subscribers will return to normal download speeds after the recovery period as long as they minimize their bandwidth-intensive activities. If they continue these activities during this recovery period, reduced download speeds may continue beyond 24 hours.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 25, 2008, 02:08:03 PM
Leave it to Keith to take a debate about internet availability and turn it into which types of video games he likes...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on April 26, 2008, 12:12:29 AM
Leave it to Keith to take a debate about internet availability and turn it into which types of video games he likes...

Do you like FPSs?  They just seem silly to me.  Give me Civilization, Age of Empires, Grand Theft Auto, Picross, Tetris, Guitar Hero, or Super Smash Brothers Brawl over any FSP!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Lindsey on April 26, 2008, 12:17:54 AM
Oh who gives a flying shit. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on April 26, 2008, 07:41:07 AM
Yeah, Red Roof Inn.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 26, 2008, 08:13:15 AM

IMHO Motel 6


-end-
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 04, 2008, 02:29:37 PM
Russell Arrested (again) 5/29/08 for no drivers license (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14195.msg244517#msg244517) by a cop that hangs out on http://NHfree.com . Nice.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14195.msg244845#msg244845
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First, some background.  I have outlined, in detail to Lauren and more basically in these forums, my views on the “Driver’s License” concept.  Call them “papers” if it makes you feel better, but whatever you call them, they are NOT a requirement to live in this country, not even to travel.  However, if you want to be in control of a car, you need a license.  The reasoning behind this is simple: there are lots of people out there who regularly endanger the rest of us (and our families).  Whether they routinely drive drunk, drive recklessly (like the motorcyclist from the other day who initiated the events that eventually led to my arresting Russell), habitually speed etc.  The licensing process attempts to keep them off the roads by having the requirement that everyone needs one to drive, and when you lose your license you lose your privilege to drive that 2000lb hunk of steel on the roads.  The consequences of getting caught driving without a license, or on a suspended license, deter most of those dangerous drivers, in my experience.  And keeps them from driving, and endangering you and me.

“No victim, no crime,” is what is thrown at me now, and I say again, there’s never a victim until BAM, people burn to death or are maimed for life, or just have their car wrecked.  Everyone says “Wow, what a bummer,” but usually it’s not your wife who’s dead, or your seven year old daughter who is decapitated by a drunk driver (exaggeration?  Here’s the link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/05/29/o.lifesaving.lesson/index.html ).

Now, I don’t agree with suspending people’s licenses for non-payment of child support, or for blowing through an EasyPass toll gate.  But I do support the basic premise, and purpose, behind the driver’s licensing system.  Because of that, I do not let people just drive off when I know they’re suspended.  While I have given many people breaks for a joint or baggie of dope or pot pipe, I have not for driving suspended.

Russell’s account of his arrest was quite accurate.  He’s a good man and I’ve yet to find him being dishonest or trying to bullshit, even when it might benefit him.  This is what happened through from my viewpoint:   Two of my officers had stopped a motorcyclist for slaloming through traffic, in the oncoming lane, at over a hundred miles per hour.  Some of you will say “Where’s the problem?”  We saw a problem and addressed it.  We managed to stop him on West Street at Base Hill Road, where the Country Club is.  As the Shift Commander I went over to offer my assistance, and found that my two units and the motorcycle were filling most of a lane, so I got out to help traffic around.  As I was doing so, Russell drove up and stopped at the stop sign, I immediately saw that was him.  I was sure his license was suspended (because it has been since I’ve known him and he’s repeatedly told me and others he doesn’t need a license to drive), so I walked over to him.  He was smiling, and asked me what was going on.  I told him, and told him to pull over near where the motorcycle was, and he did.  He got out, there was some discussion about his license, and I asked why, if he was paying California the child support stuff, they couldn’t reinstate his license?  I think he said something about it would take months for them to do that.  His license was confirmed as suspended, and we arrested him.  A tow truck had been requested for Russell’s car, but he asked if Kat could just take it, I said sure and cancelled the tow.

At the PD, Russell was cooperative and agreed to be bailed.  However, a closer check of his motor vehicle record indicated that this current charge would only be a violation, so I told my officer to cancel the Bail Commish for him and just release him on a Summons.

To sum up: I saw Russell driving, knew he was suspended, detained him and double-checked it, and arrested him.  He was processed and released on a Summons.

I will explain, as I have to Russell probably a couple times.  When people rack up enough points on their driving record, they will eventually be declared a Habitual Offender.  When they get arrested for driving again, they will get charged with a felony and will go to jail, most likely for a year.  The courts don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone’s politics, or their opinion of whether they should be required to have a driver’s license.  It’s the law to have one, and they will put you in jail over it.

As I see it, there’s a sizeable portion of the population who would support reform of the drug laws.  That support seems to be growing, and indeed I support that as well.  However, in regards to driver’s licensing, I think you will find the vast majority of people support it.

The retort I get to this is “Mob rule.”  Fine, but be honest…if the “mob” agreed with your views you wouldn’t have a problem with it.

While we’re talking about laws and change, I’d like to take this opportunity to discuss just that.  No intent to insult or put you guys down, just my opinions.  I see, as I’ve said before, many good ideas in this movement, much correct thinking.  I also see disorganization, lack of leadership and a hodgepodge of actions limited to the tactical level (that’s the local stuff, like the open-carry litter pickups, copwatch, puppet shows, “I’m gonna drive on my suspended license”  etc.).  In some ways this is good (it’s difficult to smash an organization that is as decentralized as you guys, to put it bluntly).  However, tactical actions alone will not affect much change.  You may attract individuals to join your movement from here and there, you may get individuals from within the hoovernment to join you, or at least agree with you on some levels (as I do).   Some tactical actions might attract negative attention from the very citizens you’re trying to “wake up,” making them think you’re a bunch of kooks (even before they check out some of the more, uh, extreme personalities on this forum!).

In order for you guys to affect change (change or eliminate certain laws or whatever), you’re going to need the support of the general population, or at least a goodly portion of it.  You just don’t have the numbers or support for a “revolution” if that’s what you’re after.  To think you’re just going to rip down the current political structure of this state or the nation is a pipe dream, at least for now.  You should get some people thinking “strategic,” which means putting your own reps and senators in the state house, or at least winning many more current ones over to your thinking.  Then you can work to repeal laws to your heart’s content.  I suspect once people around the country see “it” working in NH, you may spark efforts in other states, and eventually the nation.  It will take time, and effort.  And if eventually it is legal for Russell to drive around with no license, and with a huge doobie hanging on his lip, I’ll be more than happy to wave to him as he drives on by.

Lastly, for the three of you who have listened to this point, I came to this forum looking for neither “buddies” nor the subversion of your cause.  I came because I agree with many of your views, and I thought that communication (I called it détente earlier) could only benefit us all.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on June 04, 2008, 05:02:51 PM
Blackie, you suck because you got banned, whereas I have teh awesomeness because I chose to leave.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 04, 2008, 05:15:02 PM
Blackie, you suck because you got banned, whereas I have teh awesomeness because I chose to leave.
That is not why I suck.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 04, 2008, 11:15:19 PM
Because of your meth addiction?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 04, 2008, 11:29:37 PM
Russell Arrested (again) 5/29/08 for no drivers license (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14195.msg244517#msg244517) by a cop that hangs out on http://NHfree.com . Nice.

I fear for anyone that goes to Porcfest.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 04, 2008, 11:35:12 PM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 05, 2008, 04:26:46 AM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on June 05, 2008, 05:34:23 AM
I've never met the guy, and I do understand that his credibility comes from the fact that he does bust a lot of potheads. . . while saying that the arrests are wrong.

but to be honest, and he must understand this being a cop, that everytime EVERY time I trust a cop I get fucked over.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 05, 2008, 06:46:02 AM
I've never met the guy, and I do understand that his credibility comes from the fact that he does bust a lot of potheads. . . while saying that the arrests are wrong.

but to be honest, and he must understand this being a cop, that everytime EVERY time I trust a cop I get fucked over.

Yeah, it's just plain hypocritical. How the fuck can you live with yourself, being a cop and a member of LEAP (knowing ALL of the bullshit wrong with the War on Drugs!) and not quit your fucking job? I know he probably has a family and everything, but Jesus Christ, you don't have to sell your fucking soul to put a plate of food on your kitchen table.

Also, didn't he recently call in saying that he had a moral dilemma with his job because it violated the 2nd Amendment?

YOU RUIN LIVES, BRAD JARVIS!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 05, 2008, 08:12:43 AM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 05, 2008, 08:37:38 AM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 05, 2008, 11:13:20 AM
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

That's true.  At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you.  I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 05, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

That's true.  At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you.  I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 05, 2008, 01:14:43 PM
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

That's true.  At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you.  I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So

I'm never taking anyone with "FSP" in their user name serious ever again.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 05, 2008, 01:46:28 PM
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

That's true.  At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you.  I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So

Maybe, but I throught there was someone in law enforcement in Canada that was also in LEAP.  All I know, is the cops scare me and I don't want to hang out with them unless I'm doing activism or actually getting paid.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Hologene Relapse on June 05, 2008, 01:47:10 PM
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

That's true.  At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you.  I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So

I'm never taking anyone with "FSP" in their user name serious ever again.

Didn't your parents teach you to never take the real world serious anyways?

-- Brede
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 05, 2008, 01:52:26 PM
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

That's true.  At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you.  I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So

I'm never taking anyone with "FSP" in their user name serious ever again.

Didn't your parents teach you to never take the real world serious anyways?

-- Brede

The "real world" is for straight commies.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: rabidfurby on June 05, 2008, 02:58:48 PM
If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

That's true.  At least where I live, cops hardly ever have to arrest you.  I'm pretty sure the laws work the same in NH.
I think Brad just has to appear (in public) that he would arrest people for whatever the crime. Cause if his chief ever got wind of it (him turning a blind eye), he could be in trouble for dereliction of duty. That would most likely get him fired and he wouldn't be able to be continue his work for LEAP as their only current duty LEO. As far as I know, he hasn't mistreated anyone yet... So

He. Does. Not. Have. To. Do. Anything.

Arresting people for a non-violent victimless crime makes you an asshole. Arresting people for a non-violent victimless crime when he knows people shouldn't be arrested for it makes him a hypocritical asshole.

And if he values being the only active LEO in LEAP more than the lives he fucks up by arresting people, he's an idiotic hypocritical asshole.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 05, 2008, 04:33:34 PM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

Brad and other bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...named and unnamed have all been asked repeatedly to quit their jobs and do it publicly to further our cause...  They don't...  They like the power trip...  They aren't bothered by the fact that while they are jackbooting...they might run across someone who isn't "into" their erroneous supposed "authority" or "jurisdiction" and that person(s) might just ignore them...and then they might just "decide" that they "had no other choice" but to commit a murderous execution of the "non-compliant" "offender"...

Go figure...

quit your "job" Brad...

and Adam, Bob, Charles, David, Eugene, Frank, Gary, Henry, Ivan, Jerry, Kenny, Larry, Michael, Neal, Orville, Paul, Quinn, Randy, Steve, Tom, Ufuk, Val, William, Xavier, Yule, Zion...




-nevertheend_

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 05, 2008, 04:39:34 PM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

Brad and other bureaucrats, jackboots, and mercenaries...named and unnamed have all been asked repeatedly to quit their jobs and do it publicly to further our cause...  The don't...  The like the power trip...  They aren't bothered by the fact that while they are jackbooting...they might run across someone who isn't "into" their erroneous supposed "authority" or "jurisdiction" and that person(s) might just ignore them...and then they might just "decide" that they "had no other choice" but to commit a murderous execution of the "non-compliant" "offender"...

Go figure...

quit your "job" Brad...

and Adam, Bob, Charles, David, Eugene, Frank, Gary, Henry, Ivan, Jerry, Kenny, Larry, Michael, Neal, Orville, Paul, Quinn, Randy, Steve, Tom, Ufuk, Val, William, Xavier, Yule, Zion...




-nevertheend_


They shouldn't quit. They should stop arresting people for stupid shit, and wait to get fired.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 05, 2008, 05:26:39 PM
Federal arrest warrant out for Kat. (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14266.msg245919)

Quote
The US Department of Justice sent a notice today that they've put out a warrant for someone named Katherine Kanningdillon for disorderly conduct.  They said they'll arrest this person in 10 days if the $125 fine isn't paid.  It's signed by Stephen Monier.  They sent a notice a couple of months ago, but we never signed for it, so didn't know what it said.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 05, 2008, 11:05:56 PM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

Brad is in the interesting position that if he were to witness a crime being committed in front of him, especially drug use, it could very likely be a sting operation being directed against him. He’s made himself enough enemies being a cop and anti-prohibition. Even if such wasn’t a sting, it would be used as an excuse to fire him.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 05, 2008, 11:13:29 PM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

Brad is in the interesting position that if he were to witness a crime being committed in front of him, especially drug use, it could very likely be a sting operation being directed against him. He’s made himself enough enemies being a cop and anti-prohibition. Even if such wasn’t a sting, it would be used as an excuse to fire him.

Stop excusing him.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 06, 2008, 12:00:04 AM
I think it's sad that liberty loving people are so naive as to let law enforcement officers like that into their group when they are obviously there to collect information on them.

I've conversed with Brad Jarvis through a lot of PMs, and I still don't know about the guy. He talks a very good game, almost to where he seems like he's on your side if you're a pothead, shroomhead, cokehead, whatever. I'm beginning to believe that he's a manipulator, and a con artist. Do NOT trust Brad Jarvis, people. If he's really serious about his LEAP activism, then he'll do good whether or not people associate with him.

That's one of the things I hate about this world. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing. Everywhere you look...

If he’s part of some sort of sting operation, it’s a pretty piss-poor one. Brad has told people outright that if he witnesses you committing a crime, he will arrest you, because he has to.

No. He. Does. Not.

Brad is in the interesting position that if he were to witness a crime being committed in front of him, especially drug use, it could very likely be a sting operation being directed against him. He’s made himself enough enemies being a cop and anti-prohibition. Even if such wasn’t a sting, it would be used as an excuse to fire him.

And...that...justifies...him...how?

He should be put in jail for all the people he's locked away for victimless crimes.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 06, 2008, 04:49:12 AM
This (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14217.msg246025#msg246025) is why I don’t feel the need to keep pointing out stuff like that. People aren’t going to come around to your way of thinking if you keep yelling at them about how evil you think they are.

Quote from: J’raxis 270145
Quote from: Russell Kanning
There is always the right step to take. Maybe it is time for these cops to take that next one.

This is why I and a lot of other people think it’s such a bad idea to attack and alienate the police who seem to be amenable to our movement here. They’ve taken the first steps in the right direction, and if we’re actually able to keep them on our side, friendly, and engaging in dialog with us, they’ll probably eventually take the next step, and the next, and so on. But if we make an enemy out of them (which is far easier than keeping them friends or at least friendly), we’ve lost any chance to get them over to our side, period.

And if they are only involved with freestaters to gather intel, so what? As long as we check ourselves around them and don’t give them anything useful, and don’t commit crimes in front of them, let them watch. Hell, if one of us actually have reasonable suspicion someone is a mole, let’s feed them misinformation. The worst thing to do with a suspected mole is to call them out before we have anything conclusive, which only makes them put up their guard, making it that much harder to ever get something conclusive on them.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 06, 2008, 07:04:25 AM
Ignored.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on June 06, 2008, 10:58:33 AM
Jeremy, you forget, this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 06, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.
no, you don't
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on June 06, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
Jeremy, you forget, this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.
Unlike http://forumnazis.com ?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 06, 2008, 11:07:04 AM
Jeremy, you forget, this is the FTL BBS, where idiocy reigns supreme.

Get the fuck out then?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Living_Pharaoh on June 06, 2008, 11:12:57 AM
I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 06, 2008, 11:18:28 AM
I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.
I'm doing fine. Sorry to hear you and yours are spinning your wheels.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 06, 2008, 11:18:47 AM
I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.

Where are we supposed to go?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Living_Pharaoh on June 06, 2008, 11:36:43 AM
I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.

Where are we supposed to go?

Go? Why would you want to go anywhere? Going places, because of oppression is surrender. Creating another country is as dumb as moving in with your best friends. You think it'll be great, fun, and progressive. Until you realise you all have differing views and you end up spending most of your time squabbling.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 06, 2008, 12:00:33 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14266.msg246092#msg246092

Katherine Kanningdillon:
Quote
BTW, I won't eat anything in jail...I'll just have water.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 06, 2008, 12:04:23 PM
Going places, because of oppression is surrender.

Mommy's alright, Daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Living_Pharaoh on June 06, 2008, 12:17:47 PM
lolol
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 06, 2008, 12:36:53 PM
I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.

GTFO, Sun Ra.

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5650/sun20ra2004we1.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Living_Pharaoh on June 06, 2008, 03:58:35 PM
I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.

GTFO, Sun Ra.

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5650/sun20ra2004we1.jpg)

lmfao

No. I'm here to help! Jesus.. you love sacrificing your saviours.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 06, 2008, 05:13:31 PM
I don't want to offend anyone here... but threads like these  are why we're not getting anywhere.

Threads like these are just for people like Blackie to jerk off. The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—

http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
&c.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 06, 2008, 05:20:36 PM
The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—

http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
:?
That is activism?
Anyway, I pretty much hate all activists. Those fucking douchebags always overstate their case. Always.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Living_Pharaoh on June 06, 2008, 09:59:32 PM
The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—

http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
:?
That is activism?
Anyway, I pretty much hate all activists. Those fucking douchebags always overstate their case. Always.


psh! Activism has been molested and left for dead in the rain. Real Activism is opting out of the system completely. Not fooling around in their carefully planned maze.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 06, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
The actual freestater activism is elsewhere:—

http://forum.freestateproject.org/
http://forum.nhfree.com/
https://www.nhteaparty.org/
http://www.nhliberty.org/forum/
http://forum.freekeene.com/
:?
That is activism?
Anyway, I pretty much hate all activists. Those fucking douchebags always overstate their case. Always.


psh! Activism has been molested and left for dead in the rain. Real Activism is opting out of the system completely. Not fooling around in their carefully planned maze.

Activism means getting things changed. If you think you can accomplish that by opting out of the system or using their system, that’s fine by me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: YixilTesiphon on June 06, 2008, 10:51:25 PM
Activism is whatever you think will work best. If you think you can do best by staying where you are, do that. If you think you'd rather have backup, move to NH. If you'd like to form your own community (NH is certainly a good possibility for that)...talk to me and BJ.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Living_Pharaoh on June 06, 2008, 11:23:32 PM
I have a small Co-Op :)

We're beginning to grow some food and expand into every day essentials. It's hard with... 4 people.. I wish the New Hampshire people luck
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 27, 2008, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from Russell:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14494.msg248814#msg248814
Quote
I think Keene crash space is going to have to start costing you Dale. You might have set the record for most times changing your mind where you are going to live.
On second thought ... us Keeniacs will welcome you back to the fold. You can buy a place here and then we will run it for you when you move to Portsmouth in a year.

Not in Grafton.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 27, 2008, 11:27:03 AM
J’raxis 270145 :
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15404.msg186123#msg186123
Quote
And don’t forget that just being a freestater who’s out in Grafton is “doing something” in the fight for freedom.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 27, 2008, 01:07:21 PM
After finishing the entirety of the thread over on NHUnderground so far, I think I see why so many people are upset at the slut.  I'm going to call her the slut because I can't figure out what her actual name is and why she has more than one.  Still, I don't think I'd want the tubes clogged with a mess about my cheating husband. 

The slut lives in Grafton now.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15404.msg186659#msg186659
Quote
If you'll excuse me now I don't really have time for this.  I have a campaign website and literature to design for someone running for the NH House.  After that I need to report back to Lud Flowers and Jerry Thibideau (you remember him, don't you?) what needs to get done for the Republican presence here in the Grafton Independence Day celebration... good day.


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 27, 2008, 01:13:27 PM
Grafton has been soiled.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 27, 2008, 01:19:05 PM
Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 27, 2008, 01:41:05 PM
Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.

Did I miss something?  You complain about Seth why?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 27, 2008, 02:09:37 PM
Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.

Did I miss something?  You complain about Seth why?

Because, like you, he's annoying as shit.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 27, 2008, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from Russell:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14494.msg248814#msg248814
Quote
I think Keene crash space is going to have to start costing you Dale. You might have set the record for most times changing your mind where you are going to live.
On second thought ... us Keeniacs will welcome you back to the fold. You can buy a place here and then we will run it for you when you move to Portsmouth in a year.

Not in Grafton.

Who in their right state of mind would move to Grafton?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on June 27, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
That depends on if you love the woods. I love the woods, so I would.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 27, 2008, 03:14:28 PM
That depends on if you love the woods. I love the woods, so I would.

I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on June 27, 2008, 03:16:51 PM
I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.

What about Grafton you don't like? I've been there..its a nice, blink or you'll miss it country town. Lots of porcs are working hard to make it as free as possible there.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 27, 2008, 03:17:33 PM
Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.

Did I miss something?  You complain about Seth why?

Because, like you, he's annoying as shit.
double this
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 27, 2008, 03:18:40 PM
That depends on if you love the woods. I love the woods, so I would.

I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.
Wanna rent a house in Grafton?
I'll throw in a gun.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 27, 2008, 03:21:09 PM
What about Grafton you don't like? I've been there..its a nice, blink or you'll miss it country town.
The town isn't small....it's 40 square miles. The population is small.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on June 27, 2008, 03:24:57 PM
I love the woods too...I really do...but it's Grafton, dude. Grafton. I'd shoot myself first.

What about Grafton you don't like? I've been there..its a nice, blink or you'll miss it country town. Lots of porcs are working hard to make it as free as possible there.

More hillbillies than where I currently live. I can't handle that.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on June 27, 2008, 03:25:10 PM

The town isn't small....it's 40 square miles. The population is small.

Unh hunh...you knew what I meant.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on June 27, 2008, 05:06:12 PM
More hillbillies than where I currently live. I can't handle that.
flatlanders....stay in your suburb. We don't want you.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on June 27, 2008, 05:19:35 PM
It reminds me of where I grew up down in western MA which is mostly woods, and farms. Love it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on June 28, 2008, 01:07:58 PM
It reminds me of where I grew up down in western MA which is mostly woods, and farms. Love it.

oh you're one of THOSE massholes!

(westa woostah is anuva cuntry)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on June 28, 2008, 02:53:48 PM
J’raxis 270145 :
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15404.msg186123#msg186123
Quote
And don’t forget that just being a freestater who’s out in Grafton is “doing something” in the fight for freedom.

Yup. And it’s counteracting malcontents like you, which really doesn’t matter, but is amusing nonetheless. :D
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: SethCohn on June 28, 2008, 04:13:38 PM
Does Seth Cohn EVER stop complaining? I'd hate to live in the same house with that.

I'm sure I've stopped complaining at some point in the past, but when dealing with folks like you or Blackie, the list of your faults is so long and endless, and so badly deserves to be voiced loudly, so as a public service I took it on  :lol:
 
Just discovered this thread, read it, and it's pretty sad that some people have no lives and must spend their free time discussing the human flaws and drama of others, instead of being productive persons themselves.

I honestly have no idea what set Boner and/or Blackie off, except for the (very) few posts I've recently made about Grafton's banjo soundtrack and/or Tom Alciere's rape fantasies.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 01, 2008, 04:14:15 PM
I honestly have no idea what set Boner and/or Blackie off
Are you kidding?

Do you remember trying to sick the cops on me?

Seth Cohn tried to sick the cops on me:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12266.msg211092#msg211092
Just because your post is gone doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Just discovered this thread,
Did you discover this one?
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=20977.0

P.S.
You got the grafton banjos joke from me.

My posts have been removed, but I was quoted.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11858.msg213608#msg213608
Quote
"Ever notice how you can hear dueling bajos as you ride down some of the dirt roads in Grafton?
Maybe that is just in my head."


Oh good I thought it was just me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 02, 2008, 01:30:45 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
Quote
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf

We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad!  Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton.  It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.

A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.

Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on July 02, 2008, 03:23:19 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
Quote
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf

We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad!  Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton.  It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.

A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.

Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.


good riddence...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 02, 2008, 04:34:26 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
Quote
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf

We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad!  Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton.  It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.

A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.

Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.


good riddence...



Wow. You really are something, you know that?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 02, 2008, 04:56:45 PM
good riddence...
If you look at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf , the paper put out by the self proclaimed "freedom loving" people of Grafton, you will see they liked her. She was on your side, and by your side I mean the FSP/FTP/Babiarz side.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on July 02, 2008, 06:55:55 PM
good riddence...
If you look at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf , the paper put out by the self proclaimed "freedom loving" people of Grafton, you will see they liked her. She was on your side, and by your side I mean the FSP/FTP/Babiarz side.

I was referring specifically to her aggression/force/fraud against you previously...had you not pulled over...who knows what kind of bruce mckay actions she might have taken...

She WASN'T on "my" side...unless she was an anarchist...







-randwasright-

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on July 02, 2008, 06:58:38 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
Quote
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf

We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad!  Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton.  It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.

A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.

Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.


good riddence...



Wow. You really are something, you know that?

you have absolutely no idea...
and if I told you...I'd have to kill you...

so I suppose you aren't really interested in knowing...








-randwasright-

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 02, 2008, 08:09:14 PM
I was referring specifically to her aggression/force/fraud against you previously...had you not pulled over...who knows what kind of bruce mckay actions she might have taken...
There was no aggression/force/fraud on her part.

If I didn't stop, I would have lost her on a back road, Dukes of Hazzard style. I don't practice drifting for nuthin'. It is Grafton, after all, and there are no posted speed limits on most of the dirt roads.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on July 03, 2008, 09:48:15 AM
I was referring specifically to her aggression/force/fraud against you previously...had you not pulled over...who knows what kind of bruce mckay actions she might have taken...
There was no aggression/force/fraud on her part.

If I didn't stop, I would have lost her on a back road, Dukes of Hazzard style. I don't practice drifting for nuthin'. It is Grafton, after all, and there are no posted speed limits on most of the dirt roads.

There WAS fraud in the fact that she had no legitimate contract with you to be in a position to signal you to stop your journey just so she could give you "a piece of her mind"...and an opinion...

If you had been open carrying she probably would have claimed you brandished it...
Then she would have claimed your Dukes impression was reckless driving...driftin' fast and furious...grafton-style and all...dirt and cow patties be damned...

Of course, if you'd have crashed she might have pulled up and rendered first aid...CPR, Mouth to Mouth, maybe even a Neck Tourniquet...who knows...

Enjoy!







-you'regoingtogetwhatyoudeserve-

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 03, 2008, 10:10:53 AM

There WAS fraud in the fact that she had no legitimate contract with you to be in a position to signal you to stop your journey just so she could give you "a piece of her mind"...and an opinion...
People don't need a contract with me in order to send me a "signal" or to talk to me in a public place. Is it fraud if someone honks at me?

What she did is better than calling the cops without attempting to contact me first.

Quote
If you had been open carrying she probably would have claimed you brandished it...
I almost never open carry. I think it is a bad idea.

Quote
Then she would have claimed your Dukes impression was reckless driving
It would have been.

But she would have to go home to call the po-po, cus Grafton is pretty much a cell-phone dead zone.

-randisdead-
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 03, 2008, 03:18:53 PM
I think Rob just likes the thought of people dying.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on July 03, 2008, 07:01:16 PM
I think Rob just likes the thought of people dying.

Quite the contrary...
Not that I care whether you, or anyone else, believes that...

It will definitely be a sad day when the wholesale repelling begins...

We're still trying to avoid that, but there is a very high probability that Rand was correct in her hypothesis that the looters will have to consume everything...including themselves...






www.campaignforliberty.com

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 03, 2008, 07:54:41 PM
I think Rob just likes the thought of people dying.

Quite the contrary...
Not that I care whether you, or anyone else, believes that...

It will definitely be a sad day when the wholesale repelling begins...

We're still trying to avoid that, but there is a very high probability that Rand was correct in her hypothesis that the looters will have to consume everything...including themselves...






www.campaignforliberty.com



Ayn Rand was a snotnosed bitch.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on July 04, 2008, 11:29:52 AM

(http://hasdrubal.actionbabecentral.com/polarbearchick.jpg)



When the SHTF I want these beasties on my side...

Enjoy!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on July 04, 2008, 03:11:13 PM
This is the first time I ever actually did enjoy one of your posts.
enjoy
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 04, 2008, 04:50:51 PM
This is the first time I ever actually did enjoy one of your posts.

Why, because that's you in another dimension?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 09, 2008, 11:40:36 AM
Burning Pork

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14649.msg250802#msg250802

Quote
Monday 14th- Diehards get there and start fixing things up

Tuesday - Perfect weather planned, life is good
-
Wednesday - Water balloon and squirt gun war
- Evening - Lloyd roast

Thursday - Morning hike to Mt. Cardigan
- Evening - Tim Condon roast

Friday
- Morning -
- Evening - Bush Pinata bashing, Tall Tale Telling - Shorty roast, Big Burning Porcupine

Saturday
- Morning -
- Evening - Biggest Burning Porcupine, open mic

Sunday - Pilgrimage to Gun Worship service at Little Minnesota? Altexpo - meeting?
- Evening - Russell roast

Monday -

Tuesday -

Wednesday -

Thursday -

Friday -

to be scheduled:
Lex triathlon
Flaming arrows
Pitchfork tossing contest
Scrabble tourney

They should let me be a part of the roasts. I have been writting the jokes for the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on July 09, 2008, 11:41:51 AM
I have been writting the jokes for the last 4 years.

No shit.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fields2grand on July 09, 2008, 11:42:30 AM
Blackie you should be elected president so we can call your home the black house.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 09, 2008, 11:44:48 AM
I'm the president of another dimension. Well, Another Dimension, LLC.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 09, 2008, 07:36:04 PM
Quote
Pitchfork tossing contest

:lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 13, 2008, 10:07:52 AM
Burning pork starts tomorrow. It's gunna be great.

Quote
Here's how the amphitheater looks now
(http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3231)

The showerhouse (?) Lloyd is building
(http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3232)

The newly hayed fields look great
(http://www.nhunderground.com/wiki/show_image.php?id=3233)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 13, 2008, 10:30:19 AM
Seriously, is everyone that's going to Burning Porc just going to sit around and get high? Because that looks like that's all there is to do.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 14, 2008, 08:25:14 AM
When I first heard of the burning pork, I thought it must be to help kat and russell build their hidy hole, cus wtf else do you do in grafton for two weeks?

I'm sure there will be a lot of grafton marketing. I would like to go just to hear the sales pitch.

Now they seem to be fixing up one of Bob Hull's properties up...the old hoyt farm across the street from John Babiarz house.

Oh, the LPNH annual picnic is gunna be there on the 20th, and Bob Barr may show up.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14649.msg251138#msg251138
Quote
That would be the 20th, yes?

Is the LPNH picnic still on?  I just spoke to Brendan Kelly, and he asked me when it was.  He won't be there on Sunday.

How would people here feel about a certain LP Presidential Candidate making an appearance on Sunday?  It would certainly put BP on the map (and quite a headline for the Gazette).  The Northeast coordinator is checking the schedule. 

Should I encourage or discourage this?

And also a funeral for the LP on the same day.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14701.0

It's gunna be great.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 14, 2008, 10:40:43 AM
You should join in.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 26, 2008, 05:56:58 PM
Good times at Manch Porc Manor

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815


It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 27, 2008, 08:33:42 AM
Good times at Manch Porc Manor

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815


It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.

Any juicy details? I can't really tell what happened. Looks like some guy went crazy or something. Did Dalebert get really drunk and start streaking through Porc Manor? :lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on July 27, 2008, 11:05:24 AM
Dalebert: "Also, I've been diagnosed with ADHD"

Is that why he continue with the unfunny comic site?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 27, 2008, 11:14:29 AM
 :lol:

Reading free state stuff is better than reading about WWII.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on July 27, 2008, 11:17:25 AM
Damn, there's some juicy stuff in the Partipants Only forum. Luckily, I registered as a fake member awhile ago and have access, hehe.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Shakezula on July 27, 2008, 04:56:59 PM
Good times at Manch Porc Manor

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815


It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.

Any juicy details? I can't really tell what happened. Looks like some guy went crazy or something. Did Dalebert get really drunk and start streaking through Porc Manor? :lol:

One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house. This guy is renting rooms out to incoming porcupines, so we warned them the only way we could. It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on July 27, 2008, 05:03:33 PM
Good times at Manch Porc Manor

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14815


It was getting so good at the FSP forum, so they had to move the thread to a members only section.

Any juicy details? I can't really tell what happened. Looks like some guy went crazy or something. Did Dalebert get really drunk and start streaking through Porc Manor? :lol:

One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house. This guy is renting rooms out to incoming porcupines, so we warned them the only way we could. It wasn't all that dramatic, really.

Wat
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 27, 2008, 05:15:36 PM
One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house.
What kind of assault?

Quote
It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Really?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Shakezula on July 27, 2008, 05:20:51 PM
One of the housemates assaulted another housemate and got kicked out of the house.
What kind of assault?
He put broken glass on the step ladder she uses to get in and out of her room.

Quote
It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Really?
Really. We were warning the community about a sociopath. That's not drama.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on July 27, 2008, 05:28:27 PM
I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Shakezula on July 27, 2008, 05:29:13 PM
I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
Ok.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on July 27, 2008, 05:36:18 PM
I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
Ok.

Well, fuck you then.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Shakezula on July 27, 2008, 05:41:08 PM
I'm still confused as to the details of this situation.
Ok.

Well, fuck you then.

Sure.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 27, 2008, 06:11:06 PM
He put broken glass on the step ladder she uses to get in and out of her room.
What kind of broken glass, and why does she need a step ladder to get in and out of her room?

How does everyone know he did it?

Quote
It wasn't all that dramatic, really.
Really?
Really. We were warning the community about a sociopath. That's not drama.
Assaulting a house mate is drama. Trying to evict someone is drama. Flame wars between house mates is drama. Demanding someone come out of his room, so you can scream at him and video tape it is drama. Or maybe that is just what happens every day at porc manner?

Anyway, the best part is now I get to spread rumors because yall feel the need to 'hide' the topic on the FSP forum. Good times.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Osborne on July 27, 2008, 06:52:32 PM
"Then I'll rape a lama to top that drama."

[youtube=425,350]XlnOnwW9frU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on July 27, 2008, 07:31:00 PM

What kind of broken glass, and why does she need a step ladder to get in and out of her room?

How does everyone know he did it?

it was glass from one of those jar candles. 

She needs a ladder to get into her room because the elevator is broken.

We suspect he was the one who did it because he doesn't have an alibi and his behavior following this incident is extremely suspicious. 

Every encounter I have had with the guy he has been pretty polite and civil however I have always gotten a really strange vibe about him.  There is something wrong with him.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Shakezula on July 27, 2008, 07:37:01 PM
Anyway, the best part is now I get to spread rumors because yall feel the need to 'hide' the topic on the FSP forum. Good times.

I have no idea what happened to the thread. Either the mods deleted it or mackler deleted it. I'm not sure if users can delete their threads on the fsp forum or not.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on July 27, 2008, 07:37:32 PM
All I know is Mackler is no longer welcome over at our home. Ever.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on July 27, 2008, 07:38:31 PM
All I know is Mackler is no longer welcome over at our home. Ever.

He can shop at my store, for twice the price.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 27, 2008, 07:48:00 PM
We suspect he was the one who did it because he doesn't have an alibi and his behavior following this incident is extremely suspicious.    
At least you only suspect it.

Doesn't have an alibi...WTF?

Were those two having issues before the incident?

Isn't it possible the chick did it herself, and just blamed him?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 27, 2008, 07:52:33 PM
All I know is Mackler is no longer welcome over at our home. Ever.

Who is this guy? What's the link to his accounts here/on the NH Free forum?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 27, 2008, 07:54:37 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1331
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 27, 2008, 08:00:16 PM
You can usually tell a bad seed from the get-go.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on July 27, 2008, 08:02:51 PM
Posts:     344 (0.869 per day)
Karma:    1017
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on July 27, 2008, 08:07:41 PM
Posts:     344 (0.869 per day)
Karma:    1017

Could be his pals helping him out.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on July 28, 2008, 04:03:10 PM
Seriously, is everyone that's going to Burning Porc just going to sit around and get high? Because that looks like that's all there is to do.

of course they're going to steal my idea for Toking Porcupine festival
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 06, 2008, 11:54:35 PM
The FSP is run by Jews!!!!!
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14183.msg254165#msg254165
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1st - What is the representation of jews on the FSP board?
Is there an over representation of dual loyalist jews, as it is in many other organizations that love freedom. Where said organization starts to do good, then later dual loyalists are elected, then all of a sudden said effort starts to fizzle, because of these judas goats working against it inside. FSP is currently NOT meeting their goals of people moving to NH, Et Tu Brute Rich? I can tell you of dozens of movements and organizations where this has happened time and time again. Ron Pauls 2008 Revolution is just the latest to get derailed. The revolutionary sayanim is right smack in the middle of it all.

Rich, are you only sensitive to jewish issues, because everything you listed in the email below as offensive to FSP has to do solely with posts/categories exposing the crimes of the criminal jew. (I said CRIMINAL JEW not all jews) One of the writers you happen to chose is a Canadien jew by the name of Henry Makow, who has no problem exposing jewish crimes and criminals. But henry must be a self hater. Obviously you didn?t read the piece he wrote, only the sensationalism of the title?  http://pokerface.org/fx/viewtopic.php?t=5486



If I had taken your attitude of protecting criminal illegal-Mexicans in writing this email to Poker Face, I would be telling them that all of their anti-illegal immigration posts
http://pokerface.org/fx/viewforum.php?f=28
are RACIST and SUPREMACIST, & that Poker Face are a bunch of Minute-Klanners etc..? oh yeah that?s right, I have gotten called those names too, because of my AMERICAN FIRST actions. But instead I get a shitty little email like the one you wrote to me, whining about how we?re haters and anti-semites for what we allow to be posted on our forum. Grow the fuck up.
Now I find out that you are going out of your way to fuck up other events and relationship.

Quick question? Are you American First or are you JEW first. If you want me to see you color blind, then act like an American Firster, and stop covering for jews who are criminals, for that?s all we do. By you being offended by the articles posted, tells me what side of freedom YOU choose to be on ? the half truthers side. We don?t care what the truth is, no matter how ugly it may be against our own favorite groups, or against the grain of our programmed ? education. Truth is always paramount., and as well should be for EVERYONE else.


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on August 07, 2008, 12:24:01 AM
Those FSPers sound like a bunch of liberal pussies. I'm Wyoming bound!

I'm Alaska bound!

... as soon as I can pay off my student loans.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 07, 2008, 12:30:15 AM
I wouldn't even joke about moving to those two states.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on August 07, 2008, 01:25:41 PM
There's more drama brewin'... I expected to see it on this thread. I'm disappointed, Blackie. I thought you'd gimme some dirt.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on August 07, 2008, 01:44:15 PM
Those FSPers sound like a bunch of liberal pussies. I'm Wyoming bound!

I'm Alaska bound!

... as soon as I can pay off my student loans.

What makes Alaska so good? They don't wear cowboy hats in Alaska.

Which makes it better than any other state where they wear cowboy hats.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Russell Griswold on August 07, 2008, 04:26:27 PM
The FSP could be turned into a Spanish TV drama. Tonighto on Libertado Estado Projecto... Russel Kanning gets arrestado for something randomino and estupido...

Think Telemundo will buy it?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on August 07, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
The FSP could be turned into a Spanish TV drama. Tonighto on Libertado Estado Projecto... Russel Kanning gets arrestado for something randomino and estupido...

Think Telemundo will buy it?

Not enough sex.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Russell Griswold on August 07, 2008, 04:31:21 PM
The FSP could be turned into a Spanish TV drama. Tonighto on Libertado Estado Projecto... Russel Kanning gets arrestado for something randomino and estupido...

Think Telemundo will buy it?

Not enough sex.

Can't they get Whitney to run around naked and yell, "¡Oh mi dios, ese hombre tiene un bigote enorme!"?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 07, 2008, 04:48:58 PM
There's more drama brewin'... I expected to see it on this thread. I'm disappointed, Blackie. I thought you'd gimme some dirt.
Is it Grafton related?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on August 07, 2008, 04:58:54 PM
Did the state auction off the Kanning's property yet for not paying property taxes?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on August 07, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
There's more drama brewin'... I expected to see it on this thread. I'm disappointed, Blackie. I thought you'd gimme some dirt.
Is it Grafton related?

No.  Gosh, all you think about is Grafton.  A one track mind if I even saw one.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 07, 2008, 07:01:42 PM
Did the state auction off the Kanning's property yet for not paying property taxes?
They signed up for sat internet today. Looks like they plan on being in "hobbitown" for a while

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14945.msg254490#msg254490
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we ordered hughes 2day

Fuck that.

http://go.gethughesnet.com/fapolicy.cfm?hf=0
Quote
Fair Access Policy

To ensure fair Internet access for all HughesNet® subscribers, HUGHES maintains a Fair Access Policy (FAP). This policy establishes an equitable balance in Internet access for HughesNet subscribers. Hughes assigns a download threshold to each service plan that limits the amount of data that may be downloaded during a typical day. A small percentage of subscribers who exceed this limit will experience a temporary reduction of speed.

Explanation:
The Fair Access Policy is straightforward. Based on an analysis of customer usage data, Hughes has established a download threshold for each of the HughesNet service plans that is well above the typical usage rates. Subscribers who exceed that threshold will experience reduced download speeds for approximately 24 hours.

During this recovery period, the HughesNet service may still be used, but speeds will be slower. Web browsing, for example, will be significantly slower than subscribers’ normal browsing experience. Subscribers will return to normal download speeds after the recovery period as long as they minimize their bandwidth-intensive activities. If they continue these activities during this recovery period, reduced download speeds may continue beyond 24 hours.

Threshold

     Home  200 MB

     Pro  300 MB

     ProPlus  425 MB

     Elite  500 MB

     ElitePlus  500 MB

     Small Office  500 MB

     Business Internet  1,250 MB

 

 
   

Threshold

     IA100  374 MB

     IA150  425 MB

     IA200  500 MB

     IA300  1,250 MB

     IA400  1,250 MB

 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on August 07, 2008, 07:16:31 PM
LOL, I burn through a gig a day on just ACK packets.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 18, 2008, 09:05:15 PM
Russell Kanning in court tomorrow.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14630.0
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Russell in court 8/19/08 at 10am for driving without government papers.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on August 18, 2008, 10:16:51 PM
Russell Kanning in court tomorrow.
Bah. Keene.
Wake me up when it's in Federal court.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 18, 2008, 10:35:17 PM
Russell Kanning in court tomorrow.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14630.0
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Russell in court 8/19/08 at 10am for driving without government papers.

Dude.

Again?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 18, 2008, 10:49:23 PM
Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 18, 2008, 10:54:37 PM
Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!

OUR HOUSE!

Doo doo doo doo doo doo dooooo

OUR HOUSE!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on August 18, 2008, 11:37:17 PM
Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!

I dare you to show up.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 18, 2008, 11:39:58 PM
Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!
I dare you to show up.
I've got better things to do, like make money. And Keene is out of the way. Who the fuck goes there?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 18, 2008, 11:42:17 PM
Party at Pizza Hut after the trial!

I dare you to show up.

What, are you going to fight him with your walker?

Or are you using crutches?

Wait, is it a cain? It's probably a cain. Be careful around Hampton's cain, Darkie.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on August 18, 2008, 11:44:07 PM
Cane.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 18, 2008, 11:46:42 PM
(http://www.canemasters.com/images/cad-acs-anim.gif)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 18, 2008, 11:47:18 PM
Cane.

Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on August 18, 2008, 11:48:24 PM
Cane.

Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.

Ahuh.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 18, 2008, 11:50:01 PM
Cane.

Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.

Ahuh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah

I really was. I was thinking of comparing him to the oldest man who ever lived.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on August 18, 2008, 11:59:38 PM
Cane.

Fuck you, I was thinking of the Bible when I wrote that shit.

Ahuh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah

I really was. I was thinking of comparing him to the oldest man who ever lived.

Ahuh.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on August 19, 2008, 12:13:11 AM
One down, two to go.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on August 19, 2008, 12:16:54 AM
wat
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Blackie on August 19, 2008, 01:01:55 AM
I just realized the only forums I have ever been banned from are NHunderground and the FSP.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on August 19, 2008, 01:39:24 AM
wat

Hm, wat to do, wat to do. Ah, I've got it!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 19, 2008, 04:27:14 AM
You started it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on August 19, 2008, 05:23:23 AM
Someone's been playing with the database.

Name:  Blackie
Posts:  1512 (N/A per day)
Position:   
Date Registered:  Today at 12:08:06 AM
Last Active:  Today at 01:06:43 AM

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 19, 2008, 05:52:07 AM
Someone's been playing with the database.

Name:  Blackie
Posts:  1512 (N/A per day)
Position:   
Date Registered:  Today at 12:08:06 AM
Last Active:  Today at 01:06:43 AM



Apparently he hasn't fucked with my account yet.

Ian should get his admin on a leash.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on August 19, 2008, 05:58:54 AM
Ian should get his admin on a leash.

He's not the admin, Johnson is.

Either way, someone is directly editing SQL database.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on August 19, 2008, 06:03:25 AM
Ian should get his admin on a leash.

He's not the admin, Johnson is.

Either way, someone is directly editing SQL database.

Or so he claims. He was able to lable John Shaw's parody troll accounts Shithead right after he told John he didn't have administrator powers.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on August 19, 2008, 09:40:52 AM
someone is directly editing SQL database.
No, they're probably using mysql. You have to be pretty hardcore to edit database files directly  :P
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 19, 2008, 11:29:32 AM
Is Russell in jail yet?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: orion on August 19, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
Quote
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on August 19, 2008, 12:21:07 PM
Someone's deleting and recreating their account to avoid responsibility for their own words.

Seems to happen around here all the time.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on August 19, 2008, 12:22:13 PM
Someone's deleting and recreating their account to avoid responsibility for their own words.

Seems to happen around here all the time.

You lied to me, and I don't know if I can believe what you say anymore.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 19, 2008, 12:26:21 PM
Someone's deleting and recreating their account to avoid responsibility for their own words.
You think that is why people do it? Error. You can edit or delete posts before you delete the account. After you delete the account, the posts can't be changed or removed.

Just wondering, which of my posts do you think I am trying to avoid responsibility for? Links please.

Anyway, please update this thread when you find out what happens with Russell. Thanks!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on August 19, 2008, 12:57:28 PM
So, what, you're trying to keep yourself from being able to edit or delete your own posts?!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 19, 2008, 01:03:49 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14630.msg255868
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Russell agrees to perform 30 hours of community service at $10/hr to pay off his $300 fine. Video will be coming.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on August 19, 2008, 01:16:16 PM
Broadcast on Porc-411:
Russ is free, but the Municipal Corporation of Keene believe Russ owes it $300 or 30 hours of community service.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on August 19, 2008, 01:22:11 PM
Broadcast on Porc-411:
Russ is free, but the Municipal Corporation of Keene believe Russ owes it $300 or 30 hours of community service.
Didn't he agree to it?
If he did, he must believe it too.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on August 19, 2008, 01:29:07 PM
There used to be an URL on ioerror.us where one could link to and download Porc411 messages.
Error -- is such a URL still available?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on August 19, 2008, 02:23:20 PM
There used to be an URL on ioerror.us where one could link to and download Porc411 messages.
Error -- is such a URL still available?

There's a podcast (http://feeds.feedburner.com/Porcupine411) on porcupine411.com (http://www.porcupine411.com/) where you can probably get the messages.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on August 21, 2008, 04:52:48 PM
Broadcast on Porc-411:
Russ is free, but the Municipal Corporation of Keene believe Russ owes it $300 or 30 hours of community service.
Didn't he agree to it?
If he did, he must believe it too.

I was supposed to do community service once. . .and according to courts in Nashua, I did. . . hehe
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on September 17, 2008, 06:54:05 PM
Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
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Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on September 17, 2008, 09:56:45 PM
Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
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Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.

You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for “drama” now, aren’t you?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on September 18, 2008, 03:44:03 PM
Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
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Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.

You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for “drama” now, aren’t you?

It was drama but drama in NY.  Maybe blackie moved to NY and now considers it the free state.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on September 18, 2008, 04:17:39 PM
Jason Sorens had "moved" to NH from Sept-Dec., but had to rush back to his house in NY to find his cat.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=15782.msg191341#msg191341
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Unfortunately, we won't be at the two events above after all. Late last night, we got an e-mail from our house-sitters that our cat had been missing for 3 days. We drove back all night, and long story short, the cat is now safe, but with a required department meeting coming up on the 22nd, I think we will bunker down in Buffalo for a week before returning to NH.

You’re scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for “drama” now, aren’t you?
Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing.  That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on September 18, 2008, 04:26:22 PM
Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing.  That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.

I think you just did.  He didn't leave early, whatever that means.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on September 18, 2008, 05:21:04 PM
Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing.  That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.

I think you just did.  He didn't leave early, whatever that means.
Yeah, I hijacked his account and posted that on the FSP forum.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on September 18, 2008, 08:42:09 PM
Nope. The founder of the FPS "moves" to NH to fulfill his first 1000 pledge, but has to leave early because Mr. Wiskers goes missing.  That is some funny shit. I couldn't make this shit up if I tried.

I think you just did.  He didn't leave early, whatever that means.
Yeah, I hijacked his account and posted that on the FSP forum.

Post what on his account?  He currently lives in NH but is still a teacher in NY and will move back to his apartment before the 1st semester of 2009 starts, from my understanding.

However, he is currently in NY, for a few days.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on September 19, 2008, 01:06:06 PM
He currently lives in NH but is still a teacher in NY and will move back to his apartment before the 1st semester of 2009 starts, from my understanding.
He lives in NH, but he owns a house and has a job in NY, and also is currently in NY.  :D

When I was doing my roadtrip recently, I lived in Tonawanda, NY for about 30 mins.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on September 19, 2008, 08:50:57 PM
I don't get why everyone worships Jason Sorens as the 'founder' of the FSP. All he did was write a fucking essay, and then a couple of idealistic people took the idea and ran with it. Those people are the ones who should be considered the 'founders' of the FSP.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on September 20, 2008, 12:19:04 PM
I don't get why everyone worships Jason Sorens as the 'founder' of the FSP. All he did was write a fucking essay, and then a couple of idealistic people took the idea and ran with it. Those people are the ones who should be considered the 'founders' of the FSP.

Who worships Jason because he founded the FSP?  I worship him because he listens to crazy metal music and gives out free drinks (good ones, I might add).

But, anyway, thanks for the nice words :)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Osborne on September 20, 2008, 12:26:16 PM
I don't get why everyone worships Jason Sorens as the 'founder' of the FSP. All he did was write a fucking essay, and then a couple of idealistic people took the idea and ran with it. Those people are the ones who should be considered the 'founders' of the FSP.

Who worships Jason because he founded the FSP?  I worship him because he listens to crazy metal music and gives out free drinks (good ones, I might add).

But, anyway, thanks for the nice words :)

Damn, and here I thought I was the only Jason who listens to crazy metal music and gives out drinks.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on October 30, 2008, 09:32:47 PM
Free Stater banned from Murphy's taproom for not tipping. (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15863.0)

Crazy shit.

http://mike.barskey.net/Mike_Barskey/Thoughts/Entries/2008/10/28_I_Was_Banned_For_Not_Tipping.html
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Keith then told me, "This is nothing personal against you, but if you're not going to take care of my wait staff, I don't want you in my restaurant. It's your right to not tip, but it's my right to not want you as a customer." I replied, "OK. I understand. Please refund my $4.00 and I'll leave. Can I have five minutes to say goodbye to my friends?" He allowed me five minutes.
As I was saying goodbye to my friends, Keith approached me and gave me my $4.00 and showed me the original receipt, explaining "It was an accident. The waitress though the zero you wrote on the tip line was a four, and you can see it does kind of look like a four." It did indeed look like a four. But I did not write it that way. When I write any dollar amount, ever, I write the full amount, like "$4.00" or "4.00" - never like "4" - but on the receipt, all that was written was "0" and that had a few extra lines and squiggles that made it look kind of like a "4." And the number "3" in the total amount at the bottom of the receipt had been written over as well, to make "$23.20" look like "$27.20" - I did not do that, either. I stuttered a few seconds, trying to find a polite way to tell Keith that it was not an accident, that his waitress intentionally stole my money, but I figured he was not going to un-ban me and I didn't see a point, so I just said, "OK."
I recognize that it is Keith's restaurant - his private property - and as such he has the right to choose his customers. I do not hold it against him that he banned me, or even that he disagrees with me about tipping. I am merely disappointed that I will no longer be able to go to Taproom Tuesdays. I really enjoyed that event. And there are some friends that I hardly ever see except there. Oh well, I'll have to make more of an effort to see them elsewhere.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Russell Griswold on October 30, 2008, 09:45:02 PM
Manchester seems boring.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on October 30, 2008, 09:45:12 PM
Haha.

Fucking Jews.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on October 30, 2008, 10:34:40 PM
John Babiarz has a heart attack.

http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on October 31, 2008, 12:38:38 AM
Getting bent out of shape over a tip is stupid.  I still have yet to hear if the service was any good.  If not, then I too would not tip.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on October 31, 2008, 12:53:21 AM
This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on October 31, 2008, 01:00:19 AM
This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.

That's fine.  I waited on tables for about a year and some people didn't tip no matter what.  It didn't matter much to me, they got the same level of service no matter what.  I'd rather keep them as a customer in order to keep the business going so other people who do tip could come in and make up for it.

Now if no one tipped, I  wouldn't have worked there.  I think my hourly wage was ~$2.35/hour at that time.  A terrible wage for the work that was required.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 31, 2008, 01:02:26 AM
This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.

That's fine.  I waited on tables for about a year and some people didn't tip no matter what.  It didn't matter much to me, they got the same level of service no matter what.  I'd rather keep them as a customer in order to keep the business going so other people who do tip could come in and make up for it.

Now if no one tipped, I  wouldn't have worked there.  I think my hourly wage was ~$2.35/hour at that time.  A terrible wage for the work that was required.

Great attitude. 8) Very libertarian of you.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on October 31, 2008, 09:35:33 AM
1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.
2) Murphy knows he needs to find & retain good staff in order to keep his customers
3) If the staff hate the FSPers because they don't tip, eventually one or the other has gotta go
4) 80+% of the FSPers tip like 80+% of normal people
5) ~20 of the FSPers tip extra cause we are like that (d_goddard proudly tips at LEAST 20% for decent service, especially on a damn $10 order)
6) <1% of FSPers don't tip either due to some weird moral theory (Barskey) or because they are cheap bastards (no names given)
7) Murphy's calculation to lose one guy who buys less than $20/week vs. pissing off a hard-o-find good server was an easy one
8) If you think tipping is stupid, OPEN UP YOUR OWN DAMN BAR and implement a no-tips policy. Have fun finding waitstaff!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on October 31, 2008, 09:42:18 AM
Getting bent out of shape over a tip is stupid.  I still have yet to hear if the service was any good.  If not, then I too would not tip.
The service is a little slow when the place is packed. About like any bar.
OTOH, the waitstaff are fucking hot and the outfits they wear are in that perfect grey area between respectable and slutty.

Murphy's FTW!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on October 31, 2008, 10:44:05 AM
1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.

God I'm so sick of hearing this shit from libertarians.

WE KNOW YOU OWN YOUR PROPERTY AND CAN SET WHATEVER RULES YOU WANT FOR IT. GOOD FOR YOU.

That doesn't mean that people can't criticize the way you run it. You don't need to bring up this stupid ass redundant point everytime someone has a problem with a business establishment.

Manchester seems boring.

It's the most boring city I've ever been to.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 31, 2008, 01:53:16 PM
1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.

I'm with Josh on this. No shit Sherlock. Everyone knows that. That's not the issue and never was.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on October 31, 2008, 02:12:07 PM
1) It's a private business -- Murphy's rules, baby.
That makes theft ok?

OTOH, the waitstaff are fucking hot and the outfits they wear are in that perfect grey area between respectable and slutty.
Wasn't Ivy on the waitstaff?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Mort on October 31, 2008, 02:37:48 PM
This is so petty you guys, as if there were't enough of these guys, the project is losing people because ... and I confused here... he DID tip but the waitress stole the money or he DID NOT tip (asshole) and the waiter got (righteously) angry. Either way, no one is get foreclosed on because they lost 4.00 lousy dollars. Just role your eyes, and next time, when you go there again, sit on the outside of the booth or table or whatever and make sure the waitress who stole the money "accidentally" trips on your foot while carrying something heavy.

Oh yeah, let me get on my soap box here, and say that waiting tables SUCKS. I was a waiter at a shitty little family restaurant called "Mabel's" in Traverse City Michigan and it was the most traumatic experience I have ever had. Constantly flitting around from table to table, orders changing, needs ever shifting, other waiters desperatly trying to please people getting in my way, constant traffic jams at the salad making station, butter on the uniform - unavoidable  - manager is angry - don't let it happen again, old people not tipping, getting a Chic Tract instead of a tip from some "paula-esque" nut job woman, getting trashed talked by the good old boys sitting in the corner booth who think I'm gay because my apron looks like a fucking skirt - I didn't make the uniform assholes!, night clean-up and my back is killing me, stupid asshole females who think I should know what fish and chips is when its not even on the menu!!!!! Come on, I'm not british (unfortunately), I don't know what you mean by fish and chips! I'm sorry ok?.....You know those idiots who whine about getting old and how being young was so awesome?! I thank god everyday I'm 28 years old and counting. I hated being young, it sucked. Mabel's was one of those defining experiences in my life. I taught me that I do NOT want to be a manual laborer for the rest of my life. I worked there for 3 months while on break from college. I now tip all waiters and waitresses $5, I don't care how bad their service is, its just a thing with me. Oh, to be fair, I was the world's worst waiter. Damn females with their verbal skills and their great short term memories ran circles around me and always left the restraunt at night smilling with atleast 70 more dollars in tips than I did. I would, LITERALLY, rather suck dick on figueroa and 110th street every night than go back to being a waiter.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on October 31, 2008, 02:42:33 PM
No, Barskey (the guy in question) doesn't believe in tipping, ever, for any reason. The owner, Keith at first banned him and then said he could come back with the knowledge that he will automatically add 15% on just Barskey's bill to make up for his refusal to tip. That's the situation.
 It's not effecting anything, except causing some drama because (some) folk disagree about the custom of tipping.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on October 31, 2008, 02:44:45 PM
I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Mort on October 31, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.

They practically already do. The meager hourly wage you make up is chewed up by the Government in the form of taxes because you're making "tips" and you still get taxed on the tips at the end of the day. Assholes.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on October 31, 2008, 02:55:34 PM
I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.

They practically already do. The meager hourly wage you make up is chewed up by the Government in the form of taxes because you're making "tips" and you still get taxed on the tips at the end of the day. Assholes.
I take that as a yes.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on October 31, 2008, 03:23:24 PM
If you think tipping is stupid, OPEN UP YOUR OWN DAMN BAR and implement a no-tips policy. Have fun finding waitstaff!
How hard can it be to find unskilled labor if you pay them a fair wage?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12tipping-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/07/magazine/12tipping-500.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: error on October 31, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
This guy just doesn't believe people SHOULD tip. So he doesn't, even though he knows he pisses people off wherever he goes by so doing. And he wasn't banned.

error...you smoke, right? ... cuz I've seen you in a video smoking outside of that place one time. So those "libertarians" don't let you smoke in there? How does that make you feel? Do you give tips for such amazing (<---sarcasm) "liberty-minded" hospitality?

I certainly don't give tips for such blatantly stupid trolling.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on October 31, 2008, 09:02:33 PM
Getting bent out of shape over a tip is stupid.  I still have yet to hear if the service was any good.  If not, then I too would not tip.
The service is a little slow when the place is packed. About like any bar.
OTOH, the waitstaff are fucking hot and the outfits they wear are in that perfect grey area between respectable and slutty.

Murphy's FTW!

So it's kinda like a titty bar, you just can't buy lap dances?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on November 01, 2008, 09:49:25 AM
I wonder if restaurants would pay waitstaff nothing if the law would allow it.

I would prefer that the waitstaff were all independent "contractors"...contracting with each person/party/group separately...

I strongly encourage anyone/everyone exchanging their time/effort/labor/brainpower/etc. for anything else...at all...ever...EVER...

To do so as much as possible and to REMEMBER THAT YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS IS JUST THAT...YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS...

What part of "refusing to incriminate yourself"...don't you understand...



Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 01, 2008, 10:14:51 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=211.msg1681;topicseen#msg1681

AnarchoJesse (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4091) is a fraud.
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Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known. Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles but it has come to my attention that this is not the case. He stayed on my couch for two months, feeding me lies and stealing my food and who knows what else. Josh too has become the most recent victim of his and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP) is not who he claims to be. At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth. I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up. He is a master of manipulation, taking advantage of the compassion which he receives. For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick, while in actually, he has been womanizing, stealing, and promoting violence. I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen. I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual, if you don't, you may be his next victim. I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on November 01, 2008, 10:18:27 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=211.msg1681;topicseen#msg1681

AnarchoJesse (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?action=profile;u=4091) is a fraud.
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Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known. Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles but it has come to my attention that this is not the case. He stayed on my couch for two months, feeding me lies and stealing my food and who knows what else. Josh too has become the most recent victim of his and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP) is not who he claims to be. At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth. I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up. He is a master of manipulation, taking advantage of the compassion which he receives. For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick, while in actually, he has been womanizing, stealing, and promoting violence. I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen. I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual, if you don't, you may be his next victim. I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news

Get your worthless anarchojesse notes now!!!!

What a great fuckin' idea.  Here, give me money for these labor notes.  Hopefully you'll lose them and I'll keep your money.  If you don't, hopefully you won't redeem them.  If you do redeem them, then I guess I'll just have to do something.  Wouldn't it be easier to just pay me for the work at that moment rather than buying these stupid labor notes?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on November 01, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 01, 2008, 01:38:24 PM
So, can you smoke in Murphy's Fagroom or not?
I think it was no smoking before the NH smoking ban.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 01, 2008, 01:45:03 PM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=211.msg1681;topicseen#msg1681

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Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known. Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles but it has come to my attention that this is not the case. He stayed on my couch for two months, feeding me lies and stealing my food and who knows what else. Josh too has become the most recent victim of his and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP) is not who he claims to be. At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth. I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up. He is a master of manipulation, taking advantage of the compassion which he receives. For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick, while in actually, he has been womanizing, stealing, and promoting violence. I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen. I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual, if you don't, you may be his next victim. I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news

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I'm going to deal with this ofline
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 01, 2008, 02:06:50 PM
Yeah and to give another side to this, comments from William in response to Zaphar's-

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known.

Emotional gibberish.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles

Fact

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
but it has come to my attention that this is not the case.

Nothing in the rest of your statement is conclusive on this point.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
He stayed on my couch for two months,

Paid? Not paid? What was agreed upon?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
feeding me lies

Specifically?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and stealing my food

Did you offer it or make it available? Was it really 'stealing'?
Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and who knows what else.

That seems baseless.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
Josh too has become the most recent victim of this

Meaningless. Unless it comes from Josh, it's just hearsay.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP), is not who he claims to be.

Entirely irrelevant. Many people don't use their real name especially online and that persona can carry over to everyday life. There are several Freestaters I can think of off the top of my head who are known only by nicknames or not their given name at any rate.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth.

Gross generalization. I doubt that everything he says is a lie and who a person really is has nothing to do with their name.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up.

What needs to add up?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
He is a master of manipulation,

Ooo, master no less. Not apprentice of manipulation?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
taking advantage of the compassion which he receives.

Sounds like you 'gave' something but didn't freely give it and now you think someone owes you something.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick,

The work with Jack may have fallen through or might still happen.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
while in actually, he has been womanizing,

Who cares?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
stealing,

Prove it.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and promoting violence.

A specious claim.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen.

What would be the point of that? Are you pissed about the flag getting burned and taking it out in other areas?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual,


You'll need to provide a lot more (I should say some) actual evidence and without the emotional baggage if you expect me to ostracize someone.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
if you don't, you may be his next victim.

Jesse isn't capable of victimizing me. In fact most so called "victims" are simply suffering the consequences of their poor choices and refusing to accept responsibility for them. The claim of victimhood allows them to avoid ever doing so.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news

Please do get some rest and then, if you feel that Jesse has acted in a manner that would qualify for ostracism, try to present the case in a reasoned and factual manner.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: rabidfurby on November 01, 2008, 06:39:21 PM
Whats so surprising about grifters being attached to this crowd?  I'd be surprised if there weren't any. 

Any time two Free Staters disagree or fight about anything, it proves the FSP is doomed to failure.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 01, 2008, 07:05:17 PM
Whats so surprising about grifters being attached to this crowd?  I'd be surprised if there weren't any. 

Any time two Free Staters disagree or fight about anything, it proves the FSP is doomed to failure.
No, that isn't the proof the FSP is doomed to failure, it's just drama that makes the story worth following. The FSP is like a soap opera for some of us not involved.


On another note, it looks like John Lynch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lynch) will have no problem winning his third term as NH Gov. He won his second term by a ridiculous amount.
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A businessman and Democratic Party politician, Lynch was elected on November 2, 2004, defeating Republican incumbent Craig Benson by a narrow margin. Lynch was the first challenger to defeat a one-term incumbent in New Hampshire in 78 years.

...

Lynch was elected to a second two year term in a 74-26 landslide over Republican Jim Coburn. Lynch's coattails helped Democrats take over both houses of the State Legislature, and upset incumbent Congressmen Charlie Bass and Jeb Bradley. Lynch's 74 percent of the vote was the largest margin of victory ever in a New Hampshire gubernatorial race. [1] Lynch's poll numbers also improved following his successful reelection. His approval rating rose to 79% in November and his disapproval rating dropped to 17%.

(http://veganhomeschool.com/images/FAP.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on November 02, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
Yeah and to give another side to this, comments from William in response to Zaphar's-

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
Hello all, I am quite upset at the moment because of the betrayal I have experienced, but I must let it be known.

Emotional gibberish.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
Jesse moved up here as part of the free state project, claiming to be in search of liberty and to live by its principles

Fact

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
but it has come to my attention that this is not the case.

Nothing in the rest of your statement is conclusive on this point.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
He stayed on my couch for two months,

Paid? Not paid? What was agreed upon?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
feeding me lies

Specifically?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and stealing my food

Did you offer it or make it available? Was it really 'stealing'?
Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and who knows what else.

That seems baseless.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
Josh too has become the most recent victim of this

Meaningless. Unless it comes from Josh, it's just hearsay.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and tonight, it has been (without a doubt) come to our attention that Jesse, or shall I say Cory M Malony (SP), is not who he claims to be.

Entirely irrelevant. Many people don't use their real name especially online and that persona can carry over to everyday life. There are several Freestaters I can think of off the top of my head who are known only by nicknames or not their given name at any rate.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
At this point I have no idea who he really is, because pretty much everything he says is a lie or something twisted beyond truth.

Gross generalization. I doubt that everything he says is a lie and who a person really is has nothing to do with their name.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I have talked to Josh about what Corry has been telling him, and nothing adds up.

What needs to add up?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
He is a master of manipulation,

Ooo, master no less. Not apprentice of manipulation?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
taking advantage of the compassion which he receives.

Sounds like you 'gave' something but didn't freely give it and now you think someone owes you something.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
For the past week, I have seen him claim to be working for Jack Shimick,

The work with Jack may have fallen through or might still happen.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
while in actually, he has been womanizing,

Who cares?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
stealing,

Prove it.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
and promoting violence.

A specious claim.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I will now be counter protesting Jesse at his flag burn, if it is still going to happen.

What would be the point of that? Are you pissed about the flag getting burned and taking it out in other areas?

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I would encourage all members of the free state project to disassociate from this individual,


You'll need to provide a lot more (I should say some) actual evidence and without the emotional baggage if you expect me to ostracize someone.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
if you don't, you may be his next victim.

Jesse isn't capable of victimizing me. In fact most so called "victims" are simply suffering the consequences of their poor choices and refusing to accept responsibility for them. The claim of victimhood allows them to avoid ever doing so.

Quote from: zaphar on Today at 01:49 AM
I need to sleep now, but I thought I should warn you. I can't express the disappointment I'm feeling right now, but in the coming days I will tell more. I'm sorry to bring the bad news

Please do get some rest and then, if you feel that Jesse has acted in a manner that would qualify for ostracism, try to present the case in a reasoned and factual manner.



How is this 'another side of the argument'? It just sounds like a bunch of antagonism to me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 02, 2008, 11:48:46 AM
Its another side to the statement made by Zaphar. Some of it was antagonistic I agree.

Here is something else I'm betting Blackie isn't interested in posting in this thread  -

Quote from: Jesse "AnarchoJesse"
I'd just like to say a lot of (or all of, I'm pretty sure of) has been resolved. Some miscommunications and misunderstandings that we talked through and straightened out. I have been a bit of a flake lately, but I haven't done much of anything wrong. Josh had some money that went missing, and naturally, being the guy that lives on his floor, he thought I had something to do with it. Thing is, as soon as he told me, I offered to help him out. I've also been paying Josh 5 bucks a day to sleep on his floor, and even offered to cover his first month and a deposit on an apartment we're trying to pick up to try and get him incentive to leave the shitty apartment he has now.

Thing is, we were all drunk, high, and we all have a bit of tension in our lives, and a single conversation blew it way out and up. We've all cleared it up, and reconciled whatever differences there have been.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15904.msg267741;boardseen#new
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2008, 11:51:32 AM
Its another side to the statement made by Zaphar. Some of it was antagonistic I agree.

Here is something else I'm betting Blackie isn't interested in posting in this thread  -

Quote from: Jesse "AnarchoJesse"
I'd just like to say a lot of (or all of, I'm pretty sure of) has been resolved. Some miscommunications and misunderstandings that we talked through and straightened out. I have been a bit of a flake lately, but I haven't done much of anything wrong. Josh had some money that went missing, and naturally, being the guy that lives on his floor, he thought I had something to do with it. Thing is, as soon as he told me, I offered to help him out. I've also been paying Josh 5 bucks a day to sleep on his floor, and even offered to cover his first month and a deposit on an apartment we're trying to pick up to try and get him incentive to leave the shitty apartment he has now.

Thing is, we were all drunk, high, and we all have a bit of tension in our lives, and a single conversation blew it way out and up. We've all cleared it up, and reconciled whatever differences there have been.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15904.msg267741;boardseen#new
Fuck you. I was just about to post it and had it in my clipboard.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 02, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
Sure you did nigger.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2008, 11:52:57 AM
He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 02, 2008, 11:53:34 AM
He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.

What are you doing posting on here and not out working on the crops, boy?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2008, 11:54:39 AM
yo mamma
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on November 02, 2008, 03:30:20 PM

Thing is, we were all drunk, high, and we all have a bit of tension in our lives, and a single conversation blew it way out and up. We've all cleared it up, and reconciled whatever differences there have been.

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15904.msg267741;boardseen#new

A lot of the tension comes from being drunk, high, with no further plans other than being drunk and high again tomorrow.  This is classic commune-style agenda-based living.  The names and location and agenda are the only thing that changes. 

So.....leech off others in order to stay drunk and high.  Sell worthless currency that hopefully won't be redeemed.  Shout the correct slogans and protest a lot in order to get others to believe you part of the "liberty movement."

Where do I sign up for that life-changing event?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2008, 03:39:24 PM
A lot of the tension comes from being drunk, high, with no further plans other than being drunk and high again tomorrow.  This is classic commune-style agenda-based living.  The names and location and agenda are the only thing that changes. 
The original post didn't say what was stolen, so it made me think it was drugs, not money. If it was money, why not just say so.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2008, 04:27:39 PM
Back to tipping...

Tipping a percentage of the bill is bullshit. Why should the waitress make more because I order an expensive meal?

The tip should be based on the amount of work she does, and the quality of the service, not the price of the meal.

Seems like tipping is about making the waitstaff try to up-sell. They work on a commission basis.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 02, 2008, 04:29:24 PM
You should start another thread just about the tipping controversy.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on November 02, 2008, 04:31:42 PM
Back to tipping...

Tipping a percentage of the bill is bullshit. Why should the waitress make more because I order an expensive meal?

The tip should be based on the amount of work she does, and the quality of the service, not the price of the meal.

Seems like tipping is about making the waitstaff try to up-sell. They work on a commission basis.

This I agree with.  Tipping should always be based on the quality of service and amount of work required, not a % of the bill.

Of course this could open the discussion of higher wages for servers rather than a wage based on tips.  I'm not sure which would be preferable to waitstaff.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on November 02, 2008, 04:33:14 PM
You know where to sign up.  

Already did but have since rescinded my sign up.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on November 02, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
If you don't tip, you won't get a lap dance. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on November 02, 2008, 06:03:39 PM

I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on November 02, 2008, 09:51:47 PM
I knew Jessie was a flake when I tried to purchase some of his labor notes. If he never replies to mails asking for such, how much luck do you think someone will be when they are just circulating, not buying them from the source?
That, plus him being so abrasive that the other free-staters notice. That's quite a feat.

Oh, and I generally tip 20+% for decent service. For below-average service I tip 10-15%. But if the service is really lousy, I will tip $0.25 exctly, just to make it clear I didn't siomply forget -- it's an intentional disrespect, given in reciprocity.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 02, 2008, 09:59:04 PM
I knew Jessie was a flake when I tried to purchase some of his labor notes. If he never replies to mails asking for such, how much luck do you think someone will be when they are just circulating, not buying them from the source?
I asked him about doing some work in Grafton, and he responded on the forum, but not email. He's not looking for work.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: miamiballoonguy on November 02, 2008, 10:22:47 PM

I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...



what if they ask you if the report what they have to?  All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less....  Do you tip them even less?

Just curious.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on November 02, 2008, 11:15:44 PM

I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...



what if they ask you if the report what they have to?  All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less....  Do you tip them even less?

Just curious.

It's no customer's responsibility to keep track of every stupid fucking policy an employer has.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Dylboz on November 02, 2008, 11:17:07 PM
Back to tipping...

Tipping a percentage of the bill is bullshit. Why should the waitress make more because I order an expensive meal?

The tip should be based on the amount of work she does, and the quality of the service, not the price of the meal.

Seems like tipping is about making the waitstaff try to up-sell. They work on a commission basis.

Five for myself, ten if I'm footing the bill for me and my kids plus another adult.  If I'm going upscale I go with 20% because those people get taxed on some kind of average take, and I know that going in.  I could choose not to enter.  If they suck, I cut back.  


If service was bundled in the price of a meal, then you would pay more for dine-in than take-out, but you don't. When you pick up food at say, Applebees, you pay the menu price and no one expects a tip, because no one is waiting on you. Libertarians should love the institution of tipping, because it is a free-for-service situation where cash is paid without any records kept for taxation. Tips are supposed to be reported, but never are (except the credit card kind, but even then, it's easy to get around). It is an almost 100% cash business, where the server operates a lot like a contractor, a middleman facilitating the transaction between restaurant and eater, providing added value in the process. For that, 15-20% of the total is all that's expected. Seems like a great deal to me. Better than getting up to get my own meal, pour my own drinks, and buss my own table. Plus, I can't exactly flirt with myself, now can I?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Dylboz on November 02, 2008, 11:36:10 PM
For below-average service I tip 10-15%. But if the service is really lousy, I will tip $0.25 exctly, just to make it clear I didn't siomply forget -- it's an intentional disrespect, given in reciprocity.

I used to do this, but have since taken a different approach. If you get the manager and complain calmly and in specific detail, you will almost always have some or all of your bill taken care of, the manager or another server will complete the service of your meal with special attention paid to your every request, and the sub-par server will definitely learn a lesson that night. Stiffing the waiter or waitress is a sort of oblique passive aggressive gesture that rarely has the effect you think it does. Often, the server will just think you are cheap and/or a dick. I have worked in that business in almost every capacity, from banquet service to buss boy to barback to bar tender to delivery driver to host to server to prep cook to short order to cashier to kitchen manager, and unless you get very specific and express your concern to their bosses, as far as the server is concerned, your 25¢ tip is just evidence that you're a lousy prick, period. They will never consider that they may have done something wrong or failed to earn your money unless you make it very clear why and how they fell short. Even then, they probably have some excuse. Trust me, if you get bad service, get the manager and calmly explain why you are dissatisfied, he'll be grateful, you'll get your bill reduced or paid in full, the server will be be reprimanded, and the service at the restaurant will improve. It is the best thing for everyone.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on November 03, 2008, 12:19:08 AM
He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.

What are you doing posting on here and not out working on the crops, boy?

Why argue with this cockmonger? :D

(The same reason I like playing with Luke over on the NHLA forum, I take it?)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 03, 2008, 09:10:02 AM
Why argue with this cockmonger? :D

(The same reason I like playing with Luke over on the NHLA forum, I take it?)

There wasn't any arguing. :lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on November 03, 2008, 09:47:28 AM

I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...



what if they ask you if the report what they have to?  All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less....  Do you tip them even less?

Just curious.

you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...

but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...

and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: miamiballoonguy on November 03, 2008, 10:31:42 AM

I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...



what if they ask you if the report what they have to?  All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less....  Do you tip them even less?

Just curious.

you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...

but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...

and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)



Wow, I wouldn't want to be your server.  You're too complicated.  8)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 03, 2008, 10:33:09 AM
He's AnarchoMartyr over there douche.

What are you doing posting on here and not out working on the crops, boy?

Why argue with this cockmonger? :D
Do you have your period, or are you always a bitch?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on November 03, 2008, 10:39:20 AM

I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...



what if they ask you if the report what they have to?  All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less....  Do you tip them even less?

Just curious.

you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...

but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...

and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)



Wow, I wouldn't want to be your server.  You're too complicated.  8)

while that's your choice...I've been known to "gift" by up to six hundred percent...

still "too" "complicated"...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: miamiballoonguy on November 03, 2008, 10:41:46 AM

I ask them if they "report" my gifts to them...
if they say yes they get less...
if they say no they get more...
go figure...



what if they ask you if the report what they have to?  All credit card tips have to be reported, and some restaurants are required to report a certain percententage per table, whether they get tipped that amount or less....  Do you tip them even less?

Just curious.

you'll note that I stated "my" gifts...
I'm not a party to any of their other contracts with other individuals...

but I DO want to know if those I choose to contract with...are...in any way/shape/form...funding the perpetual perpetration of aggression/force/fraud upon peaceful people...

and I make every attempt to deny the mobocracy ANY fruits...even indirect fruits...if at all possible...
(realizing, of course, that the farmer that supplied the fresh foods to the local vendors might very well be receiving some sort of subsidy...and just not disclosing that)



Wow, I wouldn't want to be your server.  You're too complicated.  8)

while that's your choice...I've been known to "gift" by up to six hundred percent...

still "too" "complicated"...



That's fine if you tip that much, but if you start the rant, you'll probably scare the server away.  8)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 03, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
I'm glad I hardly ever eat out. Fuck people who think they deserve a tip. I'm not appreciative of their service. It's their fucking job. They should be appreciative of my tip.

Hearing what people who work in that industry think about tipping and people who don't tip has made me lose respect for them. They have a entitlement mentality. And I tip well. I would have no problem not tipping for bad service. I also wouldn't return to an establishment where I got bad service, but I wouldn't rat them out to the manager.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on November 03, 2008, 04:03:22 PM
I never saw that dude before. Great stuff. He even talks about me. Fucking dead-on accurate, too.

[youtube=425,350]K3MapbYJ7pw[/youtube]
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on November 03, 2008, 08:28:14 PM
Fucking furries.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on November 04, 2008, 03:39:11 PM
WTF?

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=15863.msg268202#msg268202
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I find it interesting that the owner has denied the ban, he states that he told Mike to not eat at his restaurant if he doesn't intend on tipping, but that he didn't ban him. I also find it interesting that at the 2 FSP owned restaurants in NH, they both give discounts to the police and fire departments, but no discounts to the FSP members who have without a doubt contributed heavily to the success of the establishments.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on November 04, 2008, 03:44:57 PM
that is a big WTF!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on November 04, 2008, 06:42:30 PM
Quote
at the 2 FSP owned restaurants in NH, they both give discounts to the police and fire departments

:shock:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on November 04, 2008, 07:09:56 PM
Quote
at the 2 FSP owned restaurants in NH, they both give discounts to the police and fire departments

:shock:

You know, for the children.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on November 04, 2008, 07:40:49 PM
that's some fuckin' bullshit.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on November 04, 2008, 10:00:05 PM
that's some fuckin' bullshit.

So are you going to boycott Murphy's in protest?

Will any Free Stater do this I wonder?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on November 04, 2008, 10:47:39 PM
I've said on the NH Free Forum that I would not go to Murphy's again, I said this a few days ago at the beginning of the whole tipping episode. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on November 04, 2008, 11:15:42 PM
I would have never gone anyways. Keith Murphy has always had this snobbish playboy attitude that puts me off. Fuck that shit.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on November 04, 2008, 11:22:37 PM
I haven't met him, nothing against him I just disagree with the way he runs his business if what has been said is true.  If police and firemen get discounts I really have a problem with that and I will vote with my dollar and eat at Wendy's.

I would like confirmation that this is true, but I somehow believe it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on November 05, 2008, 12:26:31 AM
What I don't get is how they can have the Sunday Socials or whatever the fuck they're called at Murphy's, when he obviously believes in an anti-freedom agenda. Why don't they pick Wendy's or Pizza Hut, the real anarchist establishments?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on November 05, 2008, 09:30:35 AM
What I don't get is how they can have the Sunday Socials or whatever the fuck they're called at Murphy's, when he obviously believes in an anti-freedom agenda. Why don't they pick Wendy's or Pizza Hut, the real anarchist establishments?

one word...

liquor...

(you know...that stuph tightly controlled by the goons with guns)

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Porcupine_in_MA on November 05, 2008, 01:22:54 PM
Reminds me of an incident when I lived in Mississippi in a white redneck bar when a whole bunch of black deputies came in to the bar and proceeded to make it a point to stare down every patron in there, including me. As if to say "yeah, see I'm a cop and I'm black and have a gun and could arrest you in two seconds, honky". It came down to the same attitude I've run across in most cops "I can do what I want and make sure everyone knows it.".
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on November 05, 2008, 01:43:53 PM
Reminds me of an incident when I lived in Mississippi in a white redneck bar when a whole bunch of black deputies came in to the bar and proceeded to make it a point to stare down every patron in there, including me. As if to say "yeah, see I'm a cop and I'm black and have a gun and could arrest you in two seconds, honky". It came down to the same attitude I've run across in most cops "I can do what I want and make sure everyone knows it.".

Expect more of this with the election of Sharack Narak.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on November 05, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
Reminds me of an incident when I lived in Mississippi in a white redneck bar when a whole bunch of black deputies came in to the bar and proceeded to make it a point to stare down every patron in there, including me. As if to say "yeah, see I'm a cop and I'm black and have a gun and could arrest you in two seconds, honky". It came down to the same attitude I've run across in most cops "I can do what I want and make sure everyone knows it.".

that's when you start serving them shit food.  Sure, they will tell 9 or so people that it was a bad experience, but I'd still rather lose that business than allow their bullshit in my establishment.  There's no need to give them an order to leave, give them a reason.  You want a club sandwich, toss some shit thrown together in front of them and fill their drinks halfway. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on December 03, 2008, 04:49:44 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16299.0
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I just wanted everyone to know what happened to me at Murphy's tonight. I do not want to start another controversy about tipping all over again, just about the practice that happened to me.  I had a tab of $4 something for 2 beers.  I gave the waitress a $20, and she gave me back $14 change and walked away.  Then she comes back and asks me if she did something wrong because I didn't tip her, and about how she only makes $3.65 a hour. I said excuse me but you gave me $14 change, which means you got your tip in the payment. Now I do not have a problem tipping, however when you didn't give all my change back, so I considered that your tip.
 What do you guys think? I think that is kind of a questionable practice to not give back all of ones change, without the customer acknowledging keep the change. What really irks me is that this practice seems to vary amongst all the wait staff there.  Some will give me back all of my change, while others will not. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on December 03, 2008, 04:52:56 PM
It's so fucking stupid. . . . at Wendy's as Taors suggested they probably wouldn't give you as much shit as you think for bringing in your own drinks.  Hell, if you wanted to be semi-covert about it, sneak in a 750 of rum, everyone order a coke, and mix. 

(it's what the people BEHIND the counter do)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on December 03, 2008, 05:32:07 PM
reminds me of something I heard on the radio:

Caller goes to an old soda shop/magazine rack , total comes to $4.  The employee pushes 'tender' before putting in the price, thus receiving nothing telling him how much to give back.  Caller gave a $20.  After a minute or two of completely frustrated looks by the clerk, he says

Caller:  "hey listen just give me $16 and we'll call it even"

Clerk:  "oooh no you can't fool me I'll wait for the manager to void this so I can re-ring it"
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on December 03, 2008, 05:42:00 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16299.0
Quote
I just wanted everyone to know what happened to me at Murphy's tonight. I do not want to start another controversy about tipping all over again, just about the practice that happened to me.  I had a tab of $4 something for 2 beers.  I gave the waitress a $20, and she gave me back $14 change and walked away.  Then she comes back and asks me if she did something wrong because I didn't tip her, and about how she only makes $3.65 a hour. I said excuse me but you gave me $14 change, which means you got your tip in the payment. Now I do not have a problem tipping, however when you didn't give all my change back, so I considered that your tip.
 What do you guys think? I think that is kind of a questionable practice to not give back all of ones change, without the customer acknowledging keep the change. What really irks me is that this practice seems to vary amongst all the wait staff there.  Some will give me back all of my change, while others will not. 


http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=25848.msg483013#msg483013

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on December 04, 2008, 07:37:46 AM
I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00

there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on December 04, 2008, 09:52:14 AM
I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00

there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics

but at least they voted for the Obamanation...

that makes it all better...

fweeeeeee...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: YixilTesiphon on December 04, 2008, 10:48:16 AM
I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00

there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics

If that story is at all accurate, that woman wasn't even pretending that 4+14 is 20.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on December 04, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
it's so ridiculous it's hard to believe myself.  When it comes to change and whatnot, I can see (and could if I went to a store and scoped out the 20 somethings) them waiting for a manager to give them the on screen tally of what change to give back.

I know for a fact I've had people have a very very hard time counting back to 10 or 20. . .
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on December 05, 2008, 10:05:19 AM
Murphy's should stop hiring liberal arts majors from Keene State College.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: miamiballoonguy on December 05, 2008, 02:34:35 PM
I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00

there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics

What you say is so true.  I was playing monopoly during thanksgiving with the siblings and mom, and my brother's Fiance's Kids couldn't even count the dots on the dice without using their fingers,  Let alone calculate the rents in the game...  You've just gotta love the public education system...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on December 05, 2008, 03:00:45 PM
$4.50+$1.70

How long can you take to do this and not be considered a retard?

I gave the guy the 20c so he didn't have to think on the change.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on December 06, 2008, 10:03:00 AM
Grafton Country store attempted robbery

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=f4fe24f2-2427-4338-b2d1-13127236bb27
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Rifleman robs NH country store

Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008

GRAFTON – A masked man armed with a long rifle last night robbed the Grafton Country Store on Route 4.

Police said the man entered the store carrying a rifle, immediately demanded money from the clerk and tried unsuccessfully to pull the cash register off the counter.

He ran out of the store empty-handed and got into a vehicle believed to be a gray Volvo that headed north on Route 4. Witnesses chased after the car but were unable to catch up to it.

The Volvo was last seen on Cross Road in Canaan. Investigators do not know if more than one person was involved in the robbery.

The robber is described as possibly being in his early 20s, about 6 feet tall, with a slim build and wearing a black sweatshirt and camouflage face mask.

Police are following up on several leads.

Anyone with information is asked to call State Police, Troop F, at 846-3333. Trooper Alex Davis is heading the investigation.

Free staters questioned  :lol:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16304.0
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on December 06, 2008, 10:11:57 AM
Grafton Country Store?

*SLAP!*
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on December 06, 2008, 04:29:45 PM
what was he trying to steal some bait?

fresh berries?


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: freeAgent on December 06, 2008, 10:01:41 PM
It was Ian.  Now that he's used to life "on the inside" he'll do anything to go back.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Chronicles on December 07, 2008, 03:04:59 AM
I'm never going to say I'm the quickest at arithmetic but I can count backwards to 20.00

there are just some kids that don't have any skills OR any basic knowledge of English or mathematics

What you say is so true.  I was playing monopoly during thanksgiving with the siblings and mom, and my brother's Fiance's Kids couldn't even count the dots on the dice without using their fingers,  Let alone calculate the rents in the game...  You've just gotta love the public education system...

Holy crap! Really? There isn't a six year old in my homeschooling meet-up group that can't do simple addition in their head.

It saddens me that these kids will be voting not so many years from now.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Chronicles on December 07, 2008, 04:19:36 AM
"Murphy" could solve this by:

a. paying the wait staff a fixed wage, and advertising no tipping allowed.

b. re-educating wait staff in simple mathematics.

c. replace current inept wait staff.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on December 07, 2008, 06:51:52 AM
It was Ian.  Now that he's used to life "on the inside" he'll do anything to go back.
:lol:

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on December 07, 2008, 08:45:24 AM
"Murphy" could solve this by:

a. paying the wait staff a fixed wage, and advertising no tipping allowed.

b. re-educating wait staff in simple mathematics.

c. replace current inept wait staff.

I think just explaining "how it works" effectively would end all the bullshit

I never had any problems with staff, as they knew EXACTLY what was...and was not...demanded...

if and when they couldn't live up to their part of the bargain...they respectfully tendered the required written documentation...and then we "settled up"...

pretty simple actually...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on December 07, 2008, 08:58:18 AM
Grafton Country store attempted robbery

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?articleId=f4fe24f2-2427-4338-b2d1-13127236bb27
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Rifleman robs NH country store

Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008

GRAFTON – A masked man armed with a long rifle last night robbed the Grafton Country Store on Route 4.

Police said the man entered the store carrying a rifle, immediately demanded money from the clerk and tried unsuccessfully to pull the cash register off the counter.

He ran out of the store empty-handed and got into a vehicle believed to be a gray Volvo that headed north on Route 4. Witnesses chased after the car but were unable to catch up to it.

The Volvo was last seen on Cross Road in Canaan. Investigators do not know if more than one person was involved in the robbery.

The robber is described as possibly being in his early 20s, about 6 feet tall, with a slim build and wearing a black sweatshirt and camouflage face mask.

Police are following up on several leads.

Anyone with information is asked to call State Police, Troop F, at 846-3333. Trooper Alex Davis is heading the investigation.

Free staters questioned  :lol:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16304.0

guy was probably from out of state...

if he was a local he would know that many people in NH(especially that area) carry sidearms both open and concealed...

if I was there...after he'd been refused, repelled, and destroyed...I'd put a claim on his body, his immediate possessions, his rifle, and his car...

I'm thinking either his kinfolk would buy the body back...or it might be good food for the critters of the forest...

possessions, rifle, and car could be sold to recoup my time and effort expended "correcting his worldview"...

go figure

rad

enjoy!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on December 07, 2008, 09:42:54 AM
if he was a local he would know that many people in NH(especially that area) carry sidearms both open and concealed...
The only people I have seen open carry in that area are cops. That goes for all of NH. I think I saw maybe two people open carrying in NH during the 8 years I lived there, not including me and hunters. It's not common.

Also, if he went up Cross Rd. he probably knew the area. And I think it must have been Cross Rd. in Orange, as I pretty sure Cross Rd. in Canaan is a dead end road.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on January 06, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
Posted by Russell

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16689.0
Quote
You can get in on the formation of this wonderful grassroots political organization .... The FSP .... The Free State Party.

We need to formulate our Party platform and start running candidates in elections on extremist freedom issues. We are looking for a few good men who are willing to push that big red Rothbardian button.

For those that just can't stomach the politics ... then they can fight them through the NH Underground or go agorist by living in the Shire.

NH Underground - Civil Disobedience, hiding refugees, poking the government
Shire residency - Agorist lifestyle, funny costumes
Free State Party - Radical Politics

proposed party platform planks:
NH secession in 2009
NH secession in 2010
UN Free Zone
glass hovels for government bureaucrats
holding politicians feet to the fire (porcupine brand optional)


Party Headquarters located in beautiful Grafton, NH ... the center of the political revolution.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on January 06, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really extreme and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less extreme group appear more mainstream.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on January 06, 2009, 02:04:56 PM
We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really principled and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less principled group appear more mainstream.

fixed.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on January 06, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really principled and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less principled group appear more mainstream.

fixed.


Assuming your correction is accurate, so was the intial post.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Taors on January 06, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
I thought that mother fucker hated politics?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on January 06, 2009, 02:10:37 PM
We were talking about this at the NHLA Board meeting last night. We agreed it would be a good thing for them to actually go through with this. A group being really principled and no prayer of winning any elections makes a less principled group appear more mainstream.

fixed.


Assuming your correction is accurate, so was the intial post.


radical would work too.   None of them are scary words to me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on February 02, 2009, 10:24:13 PM
Mike Barskey arrested 02-01-09
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16982.0


Quote
He's got 6 charges against him - speeding, open container, gun with no concealed carry license, not showing up for court ( can't remember the other two I guess ).  3 were like tickets, 3 were criminal charges.

(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1978/21/33/624641163/n624641163_2031711_1778.jpg)






Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on February 02, 2009, 10:29:04 PM
Mike Barskey arrested 02-01-09
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=16982.0

He's got 6 charges against him - speeding, open container, gun with no concealed carry license, not showing up for court ( can't remember the other two I guess ).  3 were like tickets, 3 were criminal charges.

That'll stick it to the man and take down the state!





Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on February 02, 2009, 10:41:48 PM
I think one of the other charges had to do with the car not being registered


AnarchoJesse and Charlie got arrested too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obcI9rSjOs8

[youtube=425,350] obcI9rSjOs8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on February 02, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
I thought that mother fucker hated politics?

He did.  He started talking about this idea called the Free State Party as a joke.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on February 02, 2009, 10:53:41 PM
"It's got a grenade on it."
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on February 02, 2009, 11:08:48 PM
Pay the fine with Anarcho-Jesse notes!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on February 03, 2009, 05:49:57 AM
6 charges were quite a stretch.  Frankly I couldn't care less about any of the charges:

Gun = OK
Passenger having a beer = OK
even if Mike was having a beer = OK
No registration in NH (CA) = OK
Not showing up for court = OK
Speeding = ha OK
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 19, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17471.0

AnarchoJesse said:
Quote
Well, I'd sure like to know, because it seems that I'm back in it. It has come to my attention that people have been saying things about me --hurtful things-- to other people, and hasn't seen fit enough to bring it up with me, personally. I'll be the first to admit I fucked up when I got here, and that I took advantage of a few people out of my stupidity. I will roundly and deeply list what I consider my character flaws:

-- I mooched off of Dale, Eric, Tim, and Nick for my first few months here. I did the same to Josh. However, I've been told (because I'm aware of my failings as an individual and had asked) that I was square with them. I had been under the impression that any debts I had owed were paid in full, and that we were square. If I've been wrong, I invite you to get in touch with me and let me know how much I owe. I've been on my own two feet for a while (sort of, which I will explain), and have the ability to take care of myself.

-- I was robbed on an enormous scale (relative to my savings, that is), and I have been in situations where I need to call the person who took my money and beg for it. Money I earned, money I planned on living off of. Someone has seen fit to declare this "asking for money from Daddy when the cash runs out"; while this is accurate, it's out of context. The money is mine, and I have to jump through hoops to get it.

-- I admittedly have a bad temper. Whoever has been speaking about me has seen fit to declare that I am "violently" so, but this is horseshit. I've only once been anything even remotely close to physical when I pulled a knife after my best friend challenged me to a fist fight in my own home. When I rage, I yell. When I yell, I've got my only way to vent. Healthy? No, probably not, but I'm far from violent, and to characterize me as such is a gross injustice.

-- I can exaggerate sometimes. Nothing ridiculous or bad, but I can sometimes say things that aren't quite the 100% truth. Not lies, but embellishments because I get carried away with my emotions.

Needless to say, I am not the best, most perfect, greatest man or libertarian alive-- but then, who is? Who ever has seen fit to talk to other members of the FSP and Shaunna without approaching me first, please bring your issues to me. I'm just trying my hardest to get by, and do what I can. I have something good, and you're sabotaging that, which I won't stand for.

Until I receive an answer though, I'm going to try my best to avoid most FSP types barring my roommates. I don't know who is saying these things, but I'm sure as hell not comfortable being around them when they have the penchant for talking behind backs.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on March 19, 2009, 10:12:28 PM
LOL GANDHI
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on March 19, 2009, 10:14:15 PM
LOL GANDHI is bullshit.

fixed
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BKO on March 24, 2009, 02:30:29 PM
Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.

"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 24, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.

"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.

wat
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Dylboz on March 24, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.

"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.

wat

Brokor's a huge douchebag.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on March 24, 2009, 07:00:13 PM
Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.

"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.

wat

Brokor's a huge douchebag.

He's mad cuz he doesnt belong.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 24, 2009, 09:38:19 PM
If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on March 24, 2009, 09:56:33 PM
If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors. 

Only if you wish to have those types of people as your friend. None of my close friends are really anarchists, or even political at all.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 25, 2009, 03:12:35 PM
If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 26, 2009, 03:49:53 AM
Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.

"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.

Jesse won.  He beat the judge and the court system.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 26, 2009, 12:01:23 PM
Wow. He even dresses like an Anarchist brat. This demands respect, Yo.

"We don't want to take our hats off in a court room...WAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!" -STFU. And stand, asshole.

Jesse won.  He beat the judge and the court system.
By won, do you mean he was convicted of disorderly conduct?

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090226/NEWS01/302269848

Quote
Two Keene men arrested after failing to remove their hats at the court on Feb. 2 were convicted on misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on March 26, 2009, 12:17:34 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on March 26, 2009, 12:18:05 PM
THERE IS NO SPOON
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on March 26, 2009, 12:31:58 PM
He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing.  Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on March 26, 2009, 02:57:15 PM
He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing.  Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor. 

I'll wear a mask and hold a sign.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on March 26, 2009, 04:58:11 PM
He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing. 

this
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 26, 2009, 05:03:43 PM
they said I was disorderly, and told me it was on my record.  I thought it was the Jackson 5 playing.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 26, 2009, 05:11:33 PM

newspaper article=any publicity is good publicity...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on March 26, 2009, 06:20:27 PM
Lol I just saw this thread bumped. Is this the thread that talks about all the dramatic things that happen between us here?

Damn you should have been behind the scenes of Free Minds TV a few years back.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on March 26, 2009, 09:01:29 PM
Lol I just saw this thread bumped. Is this the thread that talks about all the dramatic things that happen between us here?

Damn you should have been behind the scenes of Free Minds TV a few years back.

Ok, Immagonnaask: what happened behind the scenes?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 26, 2009, 09:35:13 PM
If you're gonna be an anarchist, you must conform to the accepted counterculture behaviors




Exactly. 

I'm not defending Brokor, because Brokor doesn't need defendin'. 

But I think he's more anarchist than most of the anarchists here.  I won't even pretend to assign a category to him.  If I had to create a word for it, I'd call it free-nationalist.  Or maybe micronational-globalist.  I think he'd like to see the global situation fracture into micro-nations, and join one.

And I think in his micro-nation, people would show some respect for where they choose to be.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on March 27, 2009, 01:26:44 AM
He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing.  Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor. 

He went to jail for his morals.  Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat.  The same judge backed down and Jesse won.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BKO on March 27, 2009, 04:49:21 AM
Shhhh...

I see dead people.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 27, 2009, 05:59:08 AM
just get done with the killing for today?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 27, 2009, 10:19:56 AM
He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing.  Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor. 

He went to jail for his morals.  Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat.  The same judge backed down and Jesse won.
What happend to his morals during the trial?  I see he wore a suit and no hat.
(http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NS&Date=20090226&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=302269848&Ref=H2&MaxW=580&title=1)

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 27, 2009, 11:24:34 AM
http://jewhampshire.com/

It's a Joey Dauben site. He hasn't been around here lately.

Last time was when he annonced the would run the Barry Cooper for Texas Attorney General (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=26897.msg507047#msg507047) campaign
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on March 27, 2009, 01:24:28 PM
He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing.  Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor. 

He went to jail for his morals.  Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat.  The same judge backed down and Jesse won.
What happend to his morals during the trial?  I see he wore a suit and no hat.
(http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=NS&Date=20090226&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=302269848&Ref=H2&MaxW=580&title=1)



He is frustrated in the pic. Proof? Right here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=7xzhVIwIqSMC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=hand+holding+wrist+behind+back+body+language&source=bl&ots=BTQLpLNZHK&sig=sI8h6tFFR_RKhHhI0A9B82zgTnw&hl=en&ei=CQvNSdHDJ4-7twe-uZzyCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result (http://books.google.com/books?id=7xzhVIwIqSMC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=hand+holding+wrist+behind+back+body+language&source=bl&ots=BTQLpLNZHK&sig=sI8h6tFFR_RKhHhI0A9B82zgTnw&hl=en&ei=CQvNSdHDJ4-7twe-uZzyCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result)

Quote
You can bet that if someone is gripping her wrist behind her back rather than just her hand she's holding back frustration.

Etc. its a way of self control, the further up the wrist the more frustrated.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on March 27, 2009, 06:39:10 PM
http://jewhampshire.com/

It's a Joey Dauben site. He hasn't been around here lately.

Last time was when he annonced the would run the Barry Cooper for Texas Attorney General (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=26897.msg507047#msg507047) campaign

I like Joey.  He'll make a nice puddle someday.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BKO on March 27, 2009, 07:11:21 PM
Awesome. lol.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on March 28, 2009, 07:40:24 PM
Lol I just saw this thread bumped. Is this the thread that talks about all the dramatic things that happen between us here?

Damn you should have been behind the scenes of Free Minds TV a few years back.

Ok, Immagonnaask: what happened behind the scenes?

Co-host leaving with 2 days warning.
Director called out for taking government payments
Several days where the show was within minutes of not being ready to go live on time, and nobody taking the blame or the leadership to fix it the next time.

Not so exciting stuff in writing.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 28, 2009, 09:56:59 PM
Feel free to post to this thread anytime dramedy happens in the Free State. I can't keep up with all of it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on March 29, 2009, 04:17:30 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17608.0
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 29, 2009, 04:36:10 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17608.0

five minutes you'll never get back

mostly bullshit cause she's already all over the interwebs and wayback machine...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on March 29, 2009, 06:09:31 PM
LOL Sandy. Always a fuckin' cunt.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on March 29, 2009, 06:21:56 PM
He made an ass out of himself, wasted his time and a bunch of other people's time and he changed nothing.  Lets hold a fucking parade in his honor. 

He went to jail for his morals.  Later, he went back to the same courtroom and showed the NH Constitution and said he was going to wear a hat.  The same judge backed down and Jesse won.

Wow.  He wore a hat.  This is a victory for the follicularly challenged around the globe.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 29, 2009, 07:28:39 PM
LOL Sandy. Always a fuckin' cunt.

not everyone feels that way

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on March 29, 2009, 07:29:31 PM
LOL Sandy. Always a fuckin' cunt.

not everyone feels that way



Then they haven't had the "fun" I've had with the bitch.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 29, 2009, 10:56:19 PM
I want to know the back story... what Sandy is really mad about.

If you don't tell me, I'm gunna make something up.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on March 30, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
I want to know the back story... what Sandy is really mad about.

If you don't tell me, I'm gunna make something up.

well...you know Dave lost his job over his associations and activism

Sandy knows that and may very well be feeling uneasy about her future prospects for income...

regardless of her perceived flaws I count her as a friend and fellow activist in the Freedom and Liberty Movement


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 30, 2009, 11:31:49 PM
well...you know Dave lost his job over his associations and activism
No, I didn't know. That's fucked up, but not surprising.


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 30, 2009, 11:35:21 PM
A Candia, NH woman has turned herself in to police after several animal cruelty charges were filed against her.

http://www.wmur.com/video/19023226/index.html
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on March 30, 2009, 11:55:17 PM
Here is the ridley report sandy is upset about.

[youtube=425,350]tJMrZnxvX9o[/youtube]

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 10, 2009, 01:53:06 PM
Not really drama, but NH related.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jdbXCdnv8cjU86l0m-JWatEhziWAD97F6UIO0

Quote
Demand for work causes gridlock at NH job fair

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Three generations of job seekers — more than 10,000 — descended on a job fair at a New Hampshire college gymnasium Thursday, jamming traffic for miles and forcing organizers to cut off admission to the event after just two hours.

Officials shut down shuttle bus service from a nearby mall to the overwhelmed Southern New Hampshire University campus by noon, several hours before the heavily publicized event was to end.

Job applicants ranging from college students to unemployed executives in their 60s waited in seemingly endless lines for buses to the event, then to speak with recruiters, then for buses back to their cars. Police Lt. Maureen Tessier gave an unofficial crowd estimate of more than 10,000, and many hundreds more were turned away.

"People are very serious about employment and not just running around grabbing goodies for the sake of filling up goodie bags," said Don Legere, who was looking to hire people for his financial services firm Modern Woodmen of America.

He was seeing about 25 people an hour, looking to hire two to four people immediately and another six to eight by the end of the year.

"I've seen a lot of good, quality people," he said.

Maureen Maslanka, 52, of Nashua, was laid off in September from an electronics job. She said she left the event, her first job fair, "a little optimistic."

"I spoke with the people that I've been sending resumes over and over and over to," she said. "So I got to give it to them by hand."

Chris Duchaine, 32, of Johnson, Vt., got shut out because of the gridlock.

Duchaine and a friend drove to Manchester after dropping off resumes at a job fair in Massachusetts Thursday morning, but he got there after the shuttle buses stopped running. Duchaine joked that he met people in line in Massachusetts who already had been to the Manchester event.

He was philosophical, even though he struck out in Manchester.

"The effort you put in is what you get out," Duchaine said, mentioning that a friend who hunted hard just landed a job paying 25 percent more than one he lost.

Sponsors WMUR-TV, the state and the college said more than 150 employers looking to fill 1,500 full- and part-time jobs took part, including Burger King, the U.S. Secret Service and defense contractor BAE Systems.

General Manager Jeff Bartlett said the turnout was far more than anyone expected.

"I think the bottom line to all of us, despite all the traffic problems, is that hundreds and maybe over a thousand people will get a job out of this job fair and that's a pretty good day if you can put that many people back to work," Bartlett said.

New Hampshire's unemployment was 5.3 percent in February, the most recent month available. That translated to 39,290 people seeking jobs.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on April 10, 2009, 03:56:36 PM
wonder how many of those people have skills and talents but choose not to jump through the many hoops of opening their own business.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 12, 2009, 08:49:03 PM
Its a good day to be a boss then I guess. You can have a lot of choice as to who to hire and you dont have to be stuck with incompetent workers.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on April 12, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
lets hope more people take the plunge and start their own businesses without feeling the need to license themselves to sell their trade or goods.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 13, 2009, 03:11:31 PM
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28731.msg534407
Quote
Calls are coming in over Porc411.

Sam Dodson, (SamIAm) was arrested at Keene district Court for recording without bureaucrat permission. He was then dragged off and beaten by court officers. Several callers report Sam screaming while being taken to a back room.

He continued to scream, once caller commented and mentioned Sam "being beaten back there" and not letting people watch.

The activists were them told to leave and many refused. Backup was called leading to what was described by one caller as "The entire Keene PD here". Reports indicate that the entire group was detained (legally). Several arrestest occured, including several activists physically being hauled out of hte place. it is confirmed that there WAS a reporter for the Keene Sentinel there, but not detained. One caller reports that Sam is being taken to the hospital.

Of those arrested for SURE are Sam, David Krouse and Tim Danforth but several others were as well.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 13, 2009, 03:18:17 PM
Yeah but post the update.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 13, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
I will when I understand what went on.

in other news, I was watching the recent Ridley reports, and noticed one was sponsored by "Grafton Welcome Wagon"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LylmJVXu5yU
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 13, 2009, 03:43:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AVnwBODuWY
[youtube=425,350] 9AVnwBODuWY[/youtube]

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 13, 2009, 04:00:41 PM
1:15 wtf? Are they carrying that guy facedown by his arms and legs?

2:17 was he referring to concentration camps? Good point.

3:~ guy with basketball = big part of these protests
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Kevin Freeheart on April 13, 2009, 04:16:34 PM
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Are they carrying that guy facedown by his arms and legs?

Yes. It's the only way they know how to react to people saying "No, I will not move. I will not follow your orders."

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was he referring to concentration camps? Good point.

Yes, he was. I, however, think many MANY people turn their brains off when they hear things like that. It's not the first time I've heard that guy in Keene videos and I personally think he'd be more effective of he toned it down just... a... tad...

That said... I'm not there, and I doubt I'd be as calm as I liked when my friends were getting carried off.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 13, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/local/free/doc49e38ebe6667c861873640.txt

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Several people arrested in incident at Keene District Court today
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Updated April 13, 3:15 p.m.
By Sentinel Staff
Published: Monday, April 13, 2009


Several people were arrested and others were issued summonses in the Keene District Court lobby  today after allegedly refusing to leave the room.

Ian “Freeman” Bernard of the Free State Project  said 15 to 20 activists had flocked to the court to hear the arraignment of Dave Ridley. Ridley was arrested in March and charged with disorderly conduct, accused of refusing to turn off a video camera he’d brought to the arraignment of  a marijuana activist.

Ridley was arrested and charged before making it into the courtroom.

 

From the accounts of people affiliated with the Free State movement, history repeated itself Tuesday when Keene resident Samuel Dodson was accused of running his video camera  while in the district court   lobby.

After his arrest, Dodson —under the eyes of police — appeared to be lying on the floor behind a conference room door. A sound like someone yelling came from behind the door, which prompted the activists at the scene to question what was happening and to criticize the police.

Keene police Sgt. Eliezer Rivera told people not affiliated with the   case to leave the room and said those who refused to do so would receive summonses. Many did so, but within minutes, police began either issuing summonses or handcuffing those who remained.

For the full story,  see Tuesday’s Sentinel.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 13, 2009, 11:03:41 PM
Back to the AnarchoJesse getting arrested topic:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]

My observations:

-Jesse has little to no gardening knowlege.
-Jesse avoided eye contact with the cop.
-There is a guy selling hot dogs in Keene? Nice!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 13, 2009, 11:10:05 PM
He should have started a container garden.

I noticed he had a rifle with him when he first got there. Does he always carry that around?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 13, 2009, 11:20:09 PM
Dunno. If he expected to get arrested then he should have left it home.
If he truly expected to get away with it I would have expected him to plan a little as to where the rows would be, like make them parallel with the fence. Perhaps layout where seeds would go. To me it looked like a man digging a trench. Also, he dug the holes like 2 inches deep yet had big bags of fertilizer; wtf did he plan on doing with the bags. He didnt even bring gloves. I would have brought extra tools for other people to get involved too! [youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: kalmia on April 13, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
What was that guy in the truck yelling at the end?

Was Jesse planting under a tree that would have shaded his garden?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: AntonLee on April 14, 2009, 05:15:33 AM
that guy was talking about how he's really upset that his penis is very very small.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2009, 08:23:22 AM
-Jesse has little to no gardening knowlege.

-anarchir has no spell-check.  So what?


-Jesse avoided eye contact with the cop.

-People like me who look at a computer screen up to 20 hours a day have very tired eyes.  Exhausting them further by looking at a pig's mug would be ridiculous.


-There is a guy selling hot dogs in Keene? Nice!

-Street food is nice but hot dogs suck - I wish it was easier to buy healthier snacks.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 14, 2009, 11:55:22 AM

-anarchir has no spell-check.  So what?

-People like me who look at a computer screen up to 20 hours a day have very tired eyes.  Exhausting them further by looking at a pig's mug would be ridiculous.

-Street food is nice but hot dogs suck - I wish it was easier to buy healthier snacks.


touché
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 14, 2009, 01:29:09 PM
-Street food is nice but hot dogs suck - I wish it was easier to buy healthier snacks.
That sounds like a personal problem.

How fucking hard is it to buy healthier snacks?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 14, 2009, 01:31:01 PM
celery
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2009, 03:39:52 PM
If anyone sees a stall selling carrot sticks and green tea, let me know.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 14, 2009, 05:31:18 PM
If anyone sees a stall selling carrot sticks and green tea, let me know.


I assume you know how to carry a bag at your side. Plan ahead like every other human.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2009, 05:40:12 PM
Peeled carrot sticks without refrigeration all day - yuck.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 14, 2009, 05:44:06 PM
Peeled carrot sticks without refrigeration all day - yuck.


Why no refrigeration? Lunch boxes?
This one even has Dora:
(http://www.asia-manufacturer.com/whousepic/a40/30633/pb_mahi1225873883.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Libman on April 14, 2009, 05:53:55 PM
I can't argue with that.

Now, wasn't this thread about something important?  I forget...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 14, 2009, 06:01:27 PM
I can't argue with that.

Now, wasn't this thread about something important?  I forget...


(http://www.avatarsplus.com/d/13594-1/1076-shrug.gif)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 14, 2009, 10:03:14 PM
Anarcho Jesse pulls gun on drunk people.

http://qik.com/video/1451881


http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=793.0
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 14, 2009, 10:23:37 PM
Anarcho Jesse pulls gun on drunk people.

http://qik.com/video/1451881


http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=793.0

*Sigh*

I'd like to know:

1. Why the gun wasn't fucking cocked and chambered in the first place.
2. Why he felt the need to brandish.
3. Why he chose to go confront people because they called him names.


Bad gun handling all around. And then he talked about his military experience as a way of justifying that he knew how to handle his guns. Sheesh.



Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 14, 2009, 10:24:54 PM
Keene Community Kitchen does not want volunteers from Free Keene

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=637.msg6486#msg6486
Ian:
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Whoa.  Just heard Dale's Porc 411.  Apparently anyone associated with this website is no longer welcome at the Keene community kitchen.  Guess they have way too many volunteers if they are turning down peaceful liberty loving activists' assistance.  

Does this also mean they will no longer be accepting contributions from us either?

I'm interested to hear the comments of whomever it is at the Community Kitchen that made this decision, presumably because of the publicity surrounding yesterday's events.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 14, 2009, 10:27:01 PM
Keene Community Kitchen does not want volunteers from Free Keene

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=637.msg6486#msg6486
Ian:
Quote
Whoa.  Just heard Dale's Porc 411.  Apparently anyone associated with this website is no longer welcome at the Keene community kitchen.  Guess they have way too many volunteers if they are turning down peaceful liberty loving activists' assistance.  

Does this also mean they will no longer be accepting contributions from us either?

I'm interested to hear the comments of whomever it is at the Community Kitchen that made this decision, presumably because of the publicity surrounding yesterday's events.

Ostracism backfire.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 14, 2009, 10:28:51 PM
Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 14, 2009, 10:33:18 PM
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.


Funny how I didn't even know that and could tell that the dude is a gun safety menace. *Sigh*
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 14, 2009, 10:35:56 PM
I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 14, 2009, 10:36:28 PM
I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.

RL courthouse goatse FTW.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on April 14, 2009, 10:38:47 PM
Danger to self and others.

Strange...

That's exactly what the NY courts called him before he hitchhiked to Keene.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 14, 2009, 10:41:34 PM
I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.

RL courthouse goatse FTW.

I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 14, 2009, 10:43:45 PM
I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.

RL courthouse goatse FTW.

I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
No, do it for FreeKeene
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 14, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.

RL courthouse goatse FTW.

I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
No, do it for FreeKeene

The FSP needs some new publicity.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 15, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=637.msg6546#msg6546

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I talked to Gail today after dinner. She said that this issue had escalated to a "national level" and that the board decided, in the best interest of the community kitchen, to not be involved with the Free Keene group. I asked if this was because of the actions of one person; she said no. She said their attorney could contact me if I wanted more information, so I left my name and number.

I talked to Yadra and he said he hadn't been filing complaints against them (the only idea I had for how this could have gone "national"). In fact, I think the Yadra's involvement in this has been exaggerated. He says he only took up about 5 minutes of Gail's time and spent the rest of the time just reviewing the form by himself.

Gail and the other board members view FreeKeene.com as a group. They don't realize that it's just a bunch of individuals checking and posting to the site. We don't pay dues; we have no board of directors or structure.

I have no idea what they're problem is with Free Keene, but it's something they've talked to an attorney about and it's something they don't want to say to us in order to defend themselves or protect someone's reputation, but I don't know what.

I told Gail that as a member of the community, I was saddened to be excluded on the basis of my affiliations. When I volunteered a few mondays ago, I followed the rules and helped out. Gail talked about how they had no interest in publicly criticizing Free Keene, but I told her that it was the community kitchen that would probably receive scrutiny for rejecting volunteers and yet requesting city funds.

It is unacceptable that there is no transparency in this decision. I think a group of Free Keene bloggers should hold a meeting with the board to discuss exactly what is going on. The Community Kitchen's decision to disallow "anyone in the Free Keene group" to volunteer only hurts the needy population it is trying to help.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 15, 2009, 12:06:09 AM
read the whole thread
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 15, 2009, 07:05:07 AM

Livin' at home is such a drag, your mom threw away your best porno mag. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: davann on April 15, 2009, 02:02:00 PM
Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.

Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before exercising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.

Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 15, 2009, 02:21:23 PM
Anarcho Jesse pulls gun on drunk people.

http://qik.com/video/1451881


http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=793.0

*Sigh*

I'd like to know:

1. Why the gun wasn't fucking cocked and chambered in the first place.
2. Why he felt the need to brandish.
3. Why he chose to go confront people because they called him names.


Bad gun handling all around. And then he talked about his military experience as a way of justifying that he knew how to handle his guns. Sheesh.


points one, two, and three...I'd like to know also...

still, dude punches me in the chest...and there are three more goons on his "side"...I'm clearing leather and heating up a barrel or two...

Jesse is lucky to be alive right now(not to mention the drunk neighborhood ruffians)...

millions have military experience and are trained in the basics of killing others...hopefully only in defense of self, family, associates, and property...

I hope the cops told the drunk fuckers they were damn lucky to be alive...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 15, 2009, 02:26:01 PM
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.


Funny how I didn't even know that and could tell that the dude is a gun safety menace. *Sigh*

the bigger question for those personally around Jesse is whether or not they have offered to help educate him?

(Denis, since you've related to us that you were personally present when he dropped his gun...did you or anyone else offer to help him if he so desired?)

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 15, 2009, 02:27:53 PM
I should drive up there on Thursday and cause some drama.

RL courthouse goatse FTW.

I should call a press conference for the FSP. And then strip naked while open carrying in front of the cameras.
No, do it for FreeKeene

The FSP needs some new NUDE publicity.

FTFY....

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 15, 2009, 02:36:15 PM
Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.

Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.

Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.

plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: davann on April 15, 2009, 02:52:14 PM
Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.

Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.

Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.

plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...



I was thinking of something free of charge and above and beyond the regular type of gun safety program.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 15, 2009, 03:00:55 PM
There are FSPers and native Friends of the FSP that are credentialed (I forget with what organization(s)) to give regular gun safety classes, and to train other people in giving gun safety classes. I believe one of the FSP state reps is one such person.

But that's just it -- the kind of people that go to (and teach) such classes are, by and large, the kind of people that run (credible) campaigns for for State Rep.
They are also not the kind of people to put their Free-Stater status or general philosophy right in the face of everyone they interact with.
They are the kind of people that quietly, competently volunteer at a soup kitchen... without making a drama out of it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 15, 2009, 04:50:39 PM
Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.

Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.

Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.

plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...



I was thinking of something free of charge and above and beyond the regular type of gun safety program.

I'm sorry...I can't find where I mentioned a "charge"...or the type or quality of an individual program?

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: davann on April 15, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
Bad gun handling all around.
I'll never forget, the one time I saw him at the State House. He was OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) and -- so help me god -- he dropped his gun and holster, while fumbling in his pockets.

This was in a highly populated hallway, people shuffling to and fro between hearings.

Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!


Intelligent guy.... no common sense. Danger to self and others.

Has anyone setup a gun safety training program for FSP movers? Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms. A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before excising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.

Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.

plenty of good instructors in NH...both native and immigrants...



I was thinking of something free of charge and above and beyond the regular type of gun safety program.

I'm sorry...I can't find where I mentioned a "charge"...or the type or quality of an individual program?



You did not mention "charge", nor did I mentioned you did. The writen word is not the best way to communicate.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 15, 2009, 09:50:13 PM
A Candia, NH woman has turned herself in to police after several animal cruelty charges were filed against her.

http://www.wmur.com/video/19023226/index.html
So it turns out it was a freestater working for this lady that called the SPCA and started this whole process in motion.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 15, 2009, 09:55:58 PM
lol
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 16, 2009, 09:24:22 AM
A Candia, NH woman has turned herself in to police after several animal cruelty charges were filed against her.

http://www.wmur.com/video/19023226/index.html
So it turns out it was a freestater working for this lady that called the SPCA and started this whole process in motion.

of course, some "freestaters" aren't as philosophically mature as others...and still resort to the guns-of-government to get "their" way...and/or to force their opinions / mandates upon others.

perhaps it would be beneficial for Beth to be dropped off naked and with no supplies out in big sky country with the thousands of wild horses currently located on bureau of land management ("government") land...

out there she would find some healthy horses, some sick horses, mostly thinner than "barn-fed" horses, and some with worms and other ailments...

But hey, just like Beth we're all still living and learning...some faster than others...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Ecolitan on April 16, 2009, 09:33:17 AM
But hey, just like Beth we're all still living and learning...some faster than others...

What!?!  Beth doesn't get the RaD?  Are you getting soft?  Is she cute?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on April 16, 2009, 09:34:05 AM
I haven't met him, nothing against him I just disagree with the way he runs his business if what has been said is true.  If police and firemen get discounts I really have a problem with that and I will vote with my dollar and eat at Wendy's.

I would like confirmation that this is true, but I somehow believe it.
It's called "paying off the cops to keep them off your ass".  Why is that so morally depraved?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 16, 2009, 10:00:56 AM
But hey, just like Beth we're all still living and learning...some faster than others...

What!?!  Beth doesn't get the RaD?  Are you getting soft?  Is she cute?

Beautiful...


just wish she had consulted with those more philosophically mature than the forever-meddling bureaucrats and their murdering enforcers...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 16, 2009, 10:56:49 AM
Everyone coming in might not be properly trained in the handling of firearms.

Very few, I'd expect.

A bunch of newbies getting all excited without really knowing how to handle gun before exercising the open carry option sounds like a tragic accident waiting to happen.

I have been mildly fearfully awaiting just such an event.

Someone should approach Shaw and entice him to fly out and do a biannual training program.

If by entice you mean pay, then I'm sure I could be persuaded.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Libman on April 16, 2009, 11:28:43 AM
Whoop-sie! Dropped my gun!

That's why I don't carry a gun.  I know I'm a clumsy idiot, and I just never cared for guns in the first 2.5 decades of [my] life.  Better leave it to the professionals.  (I mean free market professionals, obviously.)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 16, 2009, 11:30:05 AM
That's why I don't carry a gun.  I know I'm a clumsy idiot, and I just never cared for guns in the first 2.5 decades of his life.  Better leave it to the professionals.  (I mean free market professionals, obviously.)

I think that that is a very mature and rational attitude.

Also, it's the same reason I'm not having kids.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Libman on April 16, 2009, 11:32:43 AM
Kids don't shoot projectiles when mishandled, and they're very resilient.  As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing my parents did or could have done that would be worse for me than not being born.  Even if you end up a socially retarded forum troll, it's still a life worth living.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 16, 2009, 11:34:42 AM
Kids don't shoot projectiles when mishandled, and they're very resilient.  As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing my parents did or could have done that would be worse for me than not being born.  Even if you end up a socially retarded forum troll, it's still a life worth living.  But that's just me.

Let me clarify -

Quote
That's why I don't carry a gun have a kid.  I know I'm a clumsy idiot I'd be a bad parent, and I just never cared for guns children in the first 2.5 3.4 decades of his my life.  Better leave it to the professionals.  (I mean free market professionals, obviously.)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Libman on April 16, 2009, 11:59:57 AM
I get it, I'm just expressing my frustration with the one fatal flaw of secular libertarianism: economic growth benefits from demographic growth (or can suffer greatly from lack thereof) , and there doesn't seem to be a sufficient natural reward for having children.  People will hire other people to protect them (i.e. handle guns), but not to have children who will be needed to fill the labor market when you retire.  I believe this problem could fix itself with less government intervention in family and greater parents' rights, but that's a subject matter for another thread.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 16, 2009, 02:21:29 PM
You can give someone gun safety classes all you want but it isn't going to do a lick of good if the person is a fucking idiot like Anarcho-Jesse. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 16, 2009, 02:47:58 PM
You can give someone gun safety classes all you want but it isn't going to do a lick of good if the person is a fucking idiot like Anarcho-Jesse. 
                                                                                    (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?action=dlattach%3Battach=61%3Btype=avatar)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 16, 2009, 05:23:51 PM
You can give someone gun safety classes all you want but it isn't going to do a lick of good if the person is a fucking idiot like Anarcho-Jesse. 

Interesting. You're not the first person to say that AJ is sort of a dipshit.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on April 17, 2009, 01:00:04 AM
OC'ing (generally not a good idea, and the people who are first to ask you to stop are the people who have been fighting for gun rights for 30+ years in NH) …

Yeah. These would be the people responsible for fracturing the gun-rights movement into no less than three organizations (GO-NH, PGNH, NHFC), which spend more time bickering amongst themselves than getting things done. Among their highlights are (a) kicking legislators off of their own board, when said legislator–board members weren’t there, (b) attacking pro-gun legislators like Jason Bedrick, with wild conspiracy theories about the true intent of his pro-gun bills, and (c) calling the police on a gun owner advertising a gun for sale.

Just thought I should throw that out there.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on April 17, 2009, 01:10:42 AM
There are FSPers and native Friends of the FSP that are credentialed (I forget with what organization(s)) to give regular gun safety classes, and to train other people in giving gun safety classes. I believe one of the FSP state reps is one such person.

But that's just it -- the kind of people that go to (and teach) such classes are, by and large, the kind of people that run (credible) campaigns for for State Rep.
They are also not the kind of people to put their Free-Stater status or general philosophy right in the face of everyone they interact with.
They are the kind of people that quietly, competently volunteer at a soup kitchen... without making a drama out of it.

Anyone who’s gone out to Ron’s range has gotten a crash course in gun safety.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 17, 2009, 01:16:27 AM
Ron who?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 17, 2009, 01:32:37 AM
Anyone who’s gone out to Ron’s range has gotten a crash course in gun safety.

If AnarchoJesse is the result, we know how good it is.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 17, 2009, 01:38:03 AM
Some people are just a bit lacking in street smarts, it happens. Everyone else just has to compensate for them I guess.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 17, 2009, 01:38:14 AM
AJ is a fed.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 17, 2009, 01:59:52 AM
AJ is a fed.

Start backing the statement up please. /curious
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 17, 2009, 02:17:05 AM
AJ is a fed.

Start backing the statement up please. /curious

It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.

Bonerjoe = Class clown.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 17, 2009, 02:21:06 AM
wat
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: voodoo on April 17, 2009, 02:51:33 AM
AJ is a fed.

Start backing the statement up please. /curious

It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.

Bonerjoe = Class clown.

He's not kidding.  He was talking about Alex Jones.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on April 17, 2009, 02:55:40 AM
Ron who?

Helwig. There’s info about the range at http://ronhelwig.com/, but the site seems to be down now, so I can’t link directly to the right page.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 17, 2009, 04:52:31 AM
^^ Thought he meant AnarchoJesse. ^ Something to read, thx.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 17, 2009, 09:21:39 AM
AJ is a fed.

Start backing the statement up please. /curious

It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.

Bonerjoe = Class clown.

He's not kidding.  He was talking about Alex Jones.

Doh! I thought he was talking about AnarchoJesse. My bad.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 17, 2009, 09:29:32 AM
Ron who?

Helwig. There’s info about the range at http://ronhelwig.com/, but the site seems to be down now, so I can’t link directly to the right page.
Isn't he trying to sell his place?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: voodoo on April 17, 2009, 11:53:17 AM
^^ Thought he meant AnarchoJesse. ^ Something to read, thx.
AJ is a fed.

Start backing the statement up please. /curious

It's Bonerjoe. There's nothing to back up. He's kidding, you see.

Bonerjoe = Class clown.

He's not kidding.  He was talking about Alex Jones.

Doh! I thought he was talking about AnarchoJesse. My bad.

Actually, I was kidding.  And, maybe you were, too.

I'm confused by the failure of the Internet to convey sarcasm.  I blame Al Gore.

So, anyway.  Yeah.  Totally OT, but I guess a couple of weeks ago there was a GCN charlatan cage match between Rense and Jones as to which of them was a fed.  I'd google it for you, anachir, but I don't want to boost either of those keywords.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 17, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
Thanks!   8)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 17, 2009, 06:55:14 PM
I was wondering how Ivy started and kept her restaurant going.

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=818.msg6897;topicseen#msg6897
Quote
So, I've been getting phone calls and emails asking about Lumpy's somewhat cryptic message here.  And today I got the official notice in the mail, so I figured I could mention it at this point.  Unless some miracle happens we are going to have to close the restaurant.  And there's more.

I've been kinda vague about our financial situation here up til now, but let me explain a bit:
When the opportunity to open up this restaurant came up, we were a bit skeptical but hopeful that we could make it work.  We had no money to our name, but I had one person who believed in my coking abilities who was willing to invest the first month's rent, and Bill had a credit card with a high limit.  Initially Bill decided to fund this project all on credit to the tune of approximately $17,000K.

We opened on September 12th - the tail end of the busy season.  I've mentioned to people lately that "we get about 4 customers a week" - it's been that way since November.  In fact, we made more money in the last two weeks of September, than any other month at all.  In fact, those two weeks in September were nearly double the next-highest month's income.

As months passed, and we had no customers, Bill decided to dig into his nest egg.  His mother had put aside $20K for him to use as a down-payment on a home.

We used it all.

So, huge debt, then drained nest-egg, next step was to stop paying certain invoices that maybe weren't necessary.  So first the DirectTV was shut off, then they came and took the dumpster away.

Then we progressively got behind in necessary utilities.  Once a necessary utility gets shut off, we will be forced to close our doors with not a penny to our name and no way of earning any of it back.

I've mentioned recently the electric would "probably" be shut of in the next couple weeks?  Yeah.  I got the disconnect notice today.

Date of Disconnect: April 28th.

my birthday no less....

 Cry


On top of that, the place we stay at in Grafton is not our property, and the end of our contract is May 1st.

So we will be broke, in tons of debt, and homeless by May 1st.  So that's the story.  You heard it straight from the horse's mouth, since I know the rumor mill has other (mis)information...

Quote
I don't have a plan.  I've been sending out resumes since mid December and not had one bite.  I sent Peter to mom's house last week and he'll stay there for now until we figure something out.  If there was some way to make it through until next month, that's *supposedly* when this town becomes busy again.  If we could "make it" to the busy season, we'd make all our money back and then some (supposedly), but again, unless there's some miracle, I don't see how we can make it.  I've tried selling personal stuff, I've tried having fundraisers, if our house hadn't gotten broken in to in January and all my jewelry and all of our gold and silver coins stolen, we would have sold those by now - but it is what it is...

Thanks Ian.  Certainly appreciated.

Quote
Well, just to pay off the electric bill and pay upcoming rent will be $2500.00.  But then there's keeping food stocked, keeping the phone on, travel expenses, labor expenses if we're away for some reason.  We're probably talking about $5,000.00.  It's a lot.  We really drownded ourselves... *sigh* you live you learn I suppose.

I thought I sent you an email.  I will check on that.  My apologies.  But I will say, I don't want this issue to be confused with Sam's case.  This is a personal issue and if people want to help, we certainly appreciate it.  But I'm helping Sam because I care for him and I admire him and I am so very grateful for what he does here in this state.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 17, 2009, 07:01:42 PM
I was wondering how Ivy started and kept her restaurant going.

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=818.msg6897;topicseen#msg6897
Quote
So, I've been getting phone calls and emails asking about Lumpy's somewhat cryptic message here.  And today I got the official notice in the mail, so I figured I could mention it at this point.  Unless some miracle happens we are going to have to close the restaurant.  And there's more.

I've been kinda vague about our financial situation here up til now, but let me explain a bit:
When the opportunity to open up this restaurant came up, we were a bit skeptical but hopeful that we could make it work.  We had no money to our name, but I had one person who believed in my coking abilities who was willing to invest the first month's rent, and Bill had a credit card with a high limit.  Initially Bill decided to fund this project all on credit to the tune of approximately $17,000K.

We opened on September 12th - the tail end of the busy season.  I've mentioned to people lately that "we get about 4 customers a week" - it's been that way since November.  In fact, we made more money in the last two weeks of September, than any other month at all.  In fact, those two weeks in September were nearly double the next-highest month's income.

As months passed, and we had no customers, Bill decided to dig into his nest egg.  His mother had put aside $20K for him to use as a down-payment on a home.

We used it all.

So, huge debt, then drained nest-egg, next step was to stop paying certain invoices that maybe weren't necessary.  So first the DirectTV was shut off, then they came and took the dumpster away.

Then we progressively got behind in necessary utilities.  Once a necessary utility gets shut off, we will be forced to close our doors with not a penny to our name and no way of earning any of it back.

I've mentioned recently the electric would "probably" be shut of in the next couple weeks?  Yeah.  I got the disconnect notice today.

Date of Disconnect: April 28th.

my birthday no less....

 Cry


On top of that, the place we stay at in Grafton is not our property, and the end of our contract is May 1st.

So we will be broke, in tons of debt, and homeless by May 1st.  So that's the story.  You heard it straight from the horse's mouth, since I know the rumor mill has other (mis)information...

Quote
I don't have a plan.  I've been sending out resumes since mid December and not had one bite.  I sent Peter to mom's house last week and he'll stay there for now until we figure something out.  If there was some way to make it through until next month, that's *supposedly* when this town becomes busy again.  If we could "make it" to the busy season, we'd make all our money back and then some (supposedly), but again, unless there's some miracle, I don't see how we can make it.  I've tried selling personal stuff, I've tried having fundraisers, if our house hadn't gotten broken in to in January and all my jewelry and all of our gold and silver coins stolen, we would have sold those by now - but it is what it is...

Thanks Ian.  Certainly appreciated.

Quote
Well, just to pay off the electric bill and pay upcoming rent will be $2500.00.  But then there's keeping food stocked, keeping the phone on, travel expenses, labor expenses if we're away for some reason.  We're probably talking about $5,000.00.  It's a lot.  We really drownded ourselves... *sigh* you live you learn I suppose.

I thought I sent you an email.  I will check on that.  My apologies.  But I will say, I don't want this issue to be confused with Sam's case.  This is a personal issue and if people want to help, we certainly appreciate it.  But I'm helping Sam because I care for him and I admire him and I am so very grateful for what he does here in this state.

I think you're going to see hundreds of thousands of people in exactly these same situations in the next four to eight months...

Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 17, 2009, 11:59:51 PM
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 18, 2009, 12:01:30 AM
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.

but obama was going to pay all our mortgages, shit sunshine and give everyone blowjob machines!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 18, 2009, 12:03:25 AM
give everyone blowjob machines!

Yeah, but they're repurposed auto body welding robots sold off from GM plants.

Blowjobs: With extra molten steel!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 18, 2009, 12:05:00 AM
Blowjobs: With extra molten steel!

Shootin' bullets.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 18, 2009, 12:30:27 AM
Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...
No, I don't think SHTF for another 3-5 years. But ZOMG when it hits, it's gonna make 1934 look like a walk in the park.

The restaurant business is among the hardest to get established -- who hasn't seen family-owned places open and close in the space of 1-2 years? Not the place I'd invest my nest egg, frankly. There are much less risky ways to get entrepreneurial with cooking skills. One of the best is the kind where they come to your place and cook meals. Almost zero overhead.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 18, 2009, 01:48:49 AM

There are much less risky ways to get entrepreneurial with cooking skills. One of the best is the kind where they come to your place and cook meals. Almost zero overhead.


and some of them that are plenty fun.  I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking.  Hopefully it will make me some money.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 18, 2009, 08:57:32 AM
Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...

No, I don't think SHTF for another 3-5 years. But ZOMG when it hits, it's gonna make 1934 look like a walk in the park.


Ah yes, the Great Depression...so many have forgotten...and so many more never understood it...

If the powers that be get their wish...welcome to World War Three...

BATTLEFIELD USA...

Tick, tick, tick...

Kaboom...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 18, 2009, 10:31:16 AM
I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking.  Hopefully it will make me some money.
A dozen hot women and good food?
Come to NH and I will help ensure there are customers  8)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 18, 2009, 11:03:38 AM
Personally, I'd be REALLY surprised if the shit hasn't hit the fan in less than the next 365 days...seriously...

No, I don't think SHTF for another 3-5 years. But ZOMG when it hits, it's gonna make 1934 look like a walk in the park.


You might be interested in this article where a projection for somewhere between memorial day and the fourth of july...pitchforks come out and blood flows...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/kunstler1.html

and that guy's audience probably feels similarly...

hmmm....

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 18, 2009, 02:12:57 PM
I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking.  Hopefully it will make me some money.
A dozen hot women and good food?
Come to NH and I will help ensure there are customers  8)

I am in New Hampshire.  I'm living in Manchester right now.  If all goes well I will be selling my stuff at Porcfest. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 18, 2009, 02:30:27 PM
I am in New Hampshire.  I'm living in Manchester right now.  If all goes well I will be selling my stuff at Porcfest. 
w00t!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 18, 2009, 02:36:03 PM
I'm working on an entrepreneurial venture which involves a dozen hot women and cooking.  Hopefully it will make me some money.
A dozen hot women and good food?
Come to NH and I will help ensure there are customers  8)

I am in New Hampshire.  I'm living in Manchester right now.  If all goes well I will be selling my stuff at Porcfest. 

Better not be cannibalism.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on April 19, 2009, 10:56:47 AM
Better not be cannibalism.

Strange that this is the last post in this thread...

Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt

Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8)    meh....
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 19, 2009, 11:17:53 AM
Better not be cannibalism.

Strange that this is the last post in this thread...

Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt

Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8)    meh....

any publicity is good publicity for the Freedom and Liberty Movement...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 19, 2009, 01:55:15 PM
Quote
As for legalizing cannibalism, as some fringe Free Staters openly advocate, Ryder said he believes people should be able to eat human flesh if they want and have sole possession of the body they’re consuming.

“If you’ve killed someone and eaten them, then you are guilty of murder,” he said. “If there is no family member or other person who has higher claim to a dead body than you, I guess you can do whatever you want with that. I can’t say that I agree with it, but I can’t say I would throw you in jail if you did it,” Ryder said.

Did you really have to say that to a reporter?  :?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on April 19, 2009, 02:15:16 PM
Quote
As for legalizing cannibalism, as some fringe Free Staters openly advocate, Ryder said he believes people should be able to eat human flesh if they want and have sole possession of the body they’re consuming.

“If you’ve killed someone and eaten them, then you are guilty of murder,” he said. “If there is no family member or other person who has higher claim to a dead body than you, I guess you can do whatever you want with that. I can’t say that I agree with it, but I can’t say I would throw you in jail if you did it,” Ryder said.

Did you really have to say that to a reporter?  :?

No. I was asked specifically about it.
I don't have the politician tactics of ignoring the question and saying something completely unrelated. Not yet at least.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 19, 2009, 03:02:34 PM
Only people who don't support the NAP get upset over something as trivial as the ownership of a dead body.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 19, 2009, 03:08:40 PM
Only people who don't support the NAP get upset over something as trivial as the ownership of a dead body.

ya think...lol

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 19, 2009, 04:19:24 PM
Too  bad they didn't ask about donkey sex shows.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 19, 2009, 04:32:17 PM
Too  bad they didn't ask about donkey sex shows.

what donkeys?

those were taken away by the SPCA after reports of those awful abusive acts of forcing the donkey's penis into that woman's vagina...

oh the horrors...the terror...the abuse...the shame...

(I did see the donkey smilin' though...)

HeeeHaaawwww
HeeeHaaawwww

Cowgirl Up...

enjoy!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 19, 2009, 04:47:54 PM
Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt

Quote
In her article — Free Staters say it is inaccurate and slanderous — Martens focuses on a group that organized the Free Town Project in an attempt to take over the small New Hampshire town of Grafton, in the Lake Sunapee area, population of about 1,100. The project failed, and the group tried again in the desolate Texas county of Loving, where they were also ousted.

She thinks the FTP isn't still trying?

"Grafton Welcome Wagon. They don't have a website." -Dave Ridley.

Here is Pam Martens article:
http://userpages.umbc.edu/~rich1/counterpunch_vol16no7.pdf

haha, the save-grafton blog was quoted

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 20, 2009, 04:27:43 PM
Quote
As for legalizing cannibalism, as some fringe Free Staters openly advocate, Ryder said he believes people should be able to eat human flesh if they want and have sole possession of the body they’re consuming.

“If you’ve killed someone and eaten them, then you are guilty of murder,” he said. “If there is no family member or other person who has higher claim to a dead body than you, I guess you can do whatever you want with that. I can’t say that I agree with it, but I can’t say I would throw you in jail if you did it,” Ryder said.

Did you really have to say that to a reporter?  :?

No. I was asked specifically about it.
I don't have the politician tactics of ignoring the question and saying something completely unrelated. Not yet at least.

Oh sorry. I thought they were trying to interview you and you jumped straight to a "fringer" topic.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on April 22, 2009, 06:27:40 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 23, 2009, 01:34:20 AM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895

Nobody is going to fucking read those eight pages. Post an actual piece of convo here or use quote brackets.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on April 23, 2009, 07:46:27 AM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895

Nobody is going to fucking read those eight pages. Post an actual piece of convo here or use quote brackets.

I didn't read it either. I'm guessing it's 8 pages of:

-Jesse was right to pull the gun.
-No he wasn't
-Carrying a gun isn't aggression.
-But it can be seen as it

But it related to previous posts in this thread... so...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 23, 2009, 09:08:15 AM
I didn't read it either. I'm guessing it's 8 pages of:

-Jesse was right to pull the gun.
-No he wasn't
-Carrying a gun isn't aggression.
-But it can be seen as it

But it related to previous posts in this thread... so...


Naw, it was mostly "Jesse is a clumsy fuck who doesn't know what kind of gun to carry or how to handle it like a responsible person.", followed by a bunch of fuckwits who were claiming that it was okay to brandish and try to use a gun as a negotiation tool with dashes of "GUNS R' BAD, K?" from Russ and Kat.



Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 23, 2009, 11:02:26 AM
Naw, it was mostly "Jesse is a clumsy fuck who doesn't know what kind of gun to carry or how to handle it like a responsible person."
I read the thread when it was a couple pages long...then I read a couple comments at the end.

He was carrying some type of semi-auto MAC-11?
That is a horrible gun. I had one once, and sold it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 23, 2009, 11:17:57 AM
He was carrying some type of semi-auto MAC-11?

Yes. Attached to his body with some sort of string.

That is a horrible gun. I had one once, and sold it.

Yes. Yes it is. "Let's carry a gun that functions exactly like a pistol, only less reliable and the size and shape of a submachinegun!!! Then imma tie it on wif a shoelace or something!!! Yo yo porcupines represent bitches!"

*Sigh*
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on April 23, 2009, 11:54:45 AM

Yes. Yes it is. "Let's carry a gun that functions exactly like a pistol, only less reliable and the size and shape of a submachinegun!!! Then imma tie it on wif a shoelace or something!!! Yo yo porcupines represent bitches!"

*Sigh*
Haha, good one. I was totally in Jesse's corner til I heard he was carrying that Mac on a string.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 23, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
(http://www.mac-11.net/images/safe/safe4.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 23, 2009, 08:50:45 PM
lol
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on April 23, 2009, 09:18:44 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
M$, thanks for this thread.
Coconut, thanks for the thread pointer. Reality drama at its best.
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)


(https://genesis.heritagewebdesign.com/~chloeut/cart/pagedata/image/pwn.JPG)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 23, 2009, 10:49:06 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895
M$, thanks for this thread.
Coconut, thanks for the thread pointer. Reality drama at its best.
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)


god I couldn't even get past the first page before my eyes were bleeding...

point me to john's pwned post directly so I don't have to scan all nine pages...aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh........

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 23, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)

I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 24, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)

I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.

I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 24, 2009, 12:19:44 AM
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)

I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.

I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment. 

Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 24, 2009, 12:25:24 AM
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)

I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.

I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment. 

Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.

Dissent will not be tolerated.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 24, 2009, 12:29:45 AM
Dissent will not be tolerated.

(http://www.shackpics.com/download.x?file=Kanning_708oxxzilzh95s1kvv56.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: zackbass on April 24, 2009, 05:52:47 AM
Better not be cannibalism.

Strange that this is the last post in this thread...

Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt

Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8)    meh....

any publicity is good publicity for the Freedom and Liberty Movement...



Right on.  The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP.  We are few, and we will never Convert them.

"There are no mistakes. The events we bring upon ourselves, no matter how unpleasant, are necessary in order to learn what we need to learn; whatever steps we take, they're necessary to reach the places we've chosen to go."
-- Richard Bach

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 24, 2009, 07:43:09 AM
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)

I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.

I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment. 

Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.

Dissent will not be tolerated.

all true

what's more...
the pacifist crowd goes too far with the "no resistance" thing...and they actually get LESS respect for it...

they would be respected MORE if they were "anti-war"(regardless of whether it's America/Russia or Israel/Palestine or Georgia/Alabama or Hatfields/McCoys)...
but at the same time they would be willing to rescue their own flesh and blood from the nefarious ruffians intend on ill will...

turning the cheek after the door's kicked in, the dog's dead, your spouse is bound and gagged, and your son/daughter is providing "entertainment services"...

is just NOT acceptable...even to most "statists"...

definitely not acceptable to "us"...

us=Freedom/Liberty camp...

not just John Shaw...

or NHAT...

enjoy!

...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 24, 2009, 09:44:49 AM
Better not be cannibalism.

Strange that this is the last post in this thread...

Here's the article written about us today http://www.keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/04/18/news/local/free/id_352337.txt

Where I'm quoted as saying cannibalism is A-OK 8)    meh....

any publicity is good publicity for the Freedom and Liberty Movement...



Right on.  The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP.  We are few, and we will never Convert them.

Could you please rewrite this? I read it and thought, "then what's the point to getting thrown in jail over and over?"
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Dylboz on April 24, 2009, 06:09:34 PM
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.

Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Dylboz on April 24, 2009, 07:00:08 PM
Also, MAC-11=FAIL. MAC-10 is OK, I guess, but without a longer barrel, it's kinda stupid, but at least it fires .45 ACP (or 9mm, I guess, but I've never seen one that does). OTOH, an Uzi is not such a bad Idea in semi, because they can be carried compactly, then extended to function like a rifle. They have the action toward the rear of the gun, and that allows for a longer barrel even in the compact size. Longer barrels extend the functional range, power and accuracy of pistol rounds, so that you can use your favorite pistol round in a rifle configuration and therefore need only one type of ammo. I considered the semiauto Uzi in 9mm, because I have a pistol in 9mm and I like the round, but  I decided on the Marlin Camp 9 instead. It's much cheaper, and takes high capacity mags like an Uzi, but it looks like a regular semiauto rifle. I'm still looking for one to buy, though. I expect to pay about $400. Meanwhile, Uzi's cost more than AR 15's!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 24, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
John Shaw ... you pwnd the Undergrounders.   8)

I just wish that I wouldn't get the evil eye from Russ every time I go over there. There is an anti Shaw cabal, I think.

I think you're just out of place in a pro-douche environment. 

Perhaps so. I guess I didn't really realize how... I don't have the word for it. Resistant? Resistant to opposing views they are over there.

Its their way or the highway.

When I was a kid, me and a bunch of friends took a van out west.  I told small snips of this adventure before. 

Well, anyway, part of the trip was to meet up with these Oregon hippies one of us knew.  Older, with kids, a little more settled.  Very cool people - if you were a few steps removed.  Very much ahead of the curve on the revelations we now discuss on a regular basis.  FRN's, high-level corruption, globalism, propaganda, television, the whole nine yards.  Having seen pix of your dad, I'm assuming you were exposed to these types in the late 80's.  They were neat, polite, Vegan, educated, and modestly successful.  And arrogant as hell.  You'd think they'd shrug their shoulders at a lot of stuff, like "hey man, do your thing, its a free country."  Wrong.  They were right, and everybody else was wrong unless they were in complete agreement.

It was probably the most uncomfortable I've ever been in a situation that was - overall - one of the most comparable settings that reflected my general beliefs.  Since then, I've been exposed to these types numerous times, too numerous to count.  And I've learned over and over, extremists of any sort are to be avoided.  Cool is not cool enough for these fucks, they have to float over the pinnacle on a magic carpet of idealism.  Its impractical, and the more you scratch the surface, the more alarming it becomes.  I have no problem with them living their way, but they have a problem with me living my way.  And one of us is wrong.  And as far as I'm concerned, it ain't me. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 24, 2009, 09:41:59 PM
Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)

WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on April 24, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)

WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.

*Deep Breathing Exercises*
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 24, 2009, 10:04:58 PM
Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)

WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.

*Deep Breathing Exercises*

Obviously Jesse is a fed.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 24, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)

WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.

That has to be a joke... right?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 24, 2009, 10:15:22 PM
That has to be a joke... right?
That is activism!

Watch the video. It's even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA

[youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 24, 2009, 10:20:59 PM
(http://www.mac-11.net/images/safe/safe4.jpg)

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9747/boneryes.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on April 24, 2009, 10:22:32 PM
LOL!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 24, 2009, 10:33:09 PM
Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)

WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.

Maybe he should have used his anarcho-jesse notes to buy a goddamn sling instead of top soil.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 24, 2009, 10:34:25 PM
That has to be a joke... right?
That is activism!

Watch the video. It's even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA

[youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]

This will bring the state to it's knees!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 24, 2009, 11:37:50 PM
That has to be a joke... right?
That is activism!

Watch the video. It's even better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcV-QaHfNA

[youtube=425,350]HVcV-QaHfNA[/youtube]

I don't blame the cop in this instance. If I saw a guy carrying a rifle and digging around on a median in the middle of the road . . . yeah . . .
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 25, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.

Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.

I agree. The restaurant I work at is moderatly successful (though still young) yet they hired me as a cook with zero cooking experience going in.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 25, 2009, 01:11:54 AM
Does that fucking idiot even think? 
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.

Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.

I found it absolutely amazing that someone was willing to entrust that kind of money to someone with such poor character as Ivy.  With all the problems that she's caused for people here I'm surprised anyone would have trusted that swamp hag bar fly with a dime.  Only thing anyone should ever give her is a fucking bus ticket back to Rhode Island.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 25, 2009, 01:28:16 AM
AnarchoJesse hasn't got a fucking brain in that idiot head of his. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 25, 2009, 10:14:17 AM
Does that fucking idiot even think? 
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.

Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.

I found it absolutely amazing that someone was willing to entrust that kind of money to someone with such poor character as Ivy.  With all the problems that she's caused for people here I'm surprised anyone would have trusted that swamp hag bar fly with a dime.  Only thing anyone should ever give her is a fucking bus ticket back to Rhode Island.   
The "free towners" will embrace just about anyone who is willing to live in Grafton. But they are also willing to throw people under the bus.

But that business plan sucked. Opening a mexican restaurant on credit in Bristol, NH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol,_New_Hampshire), a town with a population of around 3000, during the off season? The big attraction in Bristol is Newfound Lake. The lake isn't that big of an attraction and only in the summer.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 25, 2009, 10:35:33 AM
The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues.  They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists.  I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.   

Half of the business that reprobate Ivy has gotten has been a bunch of other free staters who are going up there more out of pity than anything else. 


If I were to open up a restaurant in this state, it would be a Breastaraunt and I'd probably put it in Manchester or Nashua. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 25, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues.  They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists.  I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.   

Half of the business that reprobate Ivy has gotten has been a bunch of other free staters who are going up there more out of pity than anything else. 


If I were to open up a restaurant in this state, it would be a Breastaraunt and I'd probably put it in Manchester or Nashua. 

I'd have to say that...with the downturn in the economy...we'll probably see a resurgence of private gentlemen's and gentleladie's clubs...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: zackbass on April 25, 2009, 03:43:51 PM

The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP.  We are few, and we will never Convert them.


Could you please rewrite this? I read it and thought, "then what's the point to getting thrown in jail over and over?"


"The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP."
The shitheads do not matter.  Trying to persuade them not to Initiate Force against us is a waste of time that could be better spent showing Real Libertarians that we CAN make one small place where we can Vote With Our Feet and live more or less free from their oppression... one shining place where, for the first time in the history of Planet Earth, libertarians can actually move and be The Majority - which means, in the U.S., that we can restrict Enforcement of Evil Laws by Voting for our own Town or County officials and law enforcement officers.

"We are few, and we will never Convert them."
We cannot be a Majority anywhere without moving in libertarians to some place that has fewer shithead Voters than we are able to move in.  To expect to Convert a meaningful number of Them is a recipe for heartbreak.  We must bring our own libertarians.  And the place where we go must have a very low "native" population.  This means a tiny Nebraska or Texas County, or a New England (NH) Town.  Or, possibly, because of the special Wyoming Laws, we could from a New County by splitting an existing Wyoming County.  This last is especially attractive because we could form a New County in the middle of Cheyenne - we could even make our County include the Capitol and that SubWay that serves buffalo subs.  THEN you'd see Publicity - our Sheriff woiuld have jurisdiction over the Legislature!  And remember, there are no State Police in Wyoming!!  We would reign supreme!!!
As a practical matter, we must recognize that the state of Wyoming would stop us form actually splitting a New County off in real life.  So the best bet short-term is Ellsworth NH, then Grafton.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 25, 2009, 03:53:33 PM

The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP.  We are few, and we will never Convert them.


Could you please rewrite this? I read it and thought, "then what's the point to getting thrown in jail over and over?"


"The object is not to pander to the shitheads but to inspire those who already respect NAP."
The shitheads do not matter.  Trying to persuade them not to Initiate Force against us is a waste of time that could be better spent showing Real Libertarians that we CAN make one small place where we can Vote With Our Feet and live more or less free from their oppression... one shining place where, for the first time in the history of Planet Earth, libertarians can actually move and be The Majority - which means, in the U.S., that we can restrict Enforcement of Evil Laws by Voting for our own Town or County officials and law enforcement officers.

"We are few, and we will never Convert them."
We cannot be a Majority anywhere without moving in libertarians to some place that has fewer shithead Voters than we are able to move in.  To expect to Convert a meaningful number of Them is a recipe for heartbreak.  We must bring our own libertarians.  And the place where we go must have a very low "native" population.  This means a tiny Nebraska or Texas County, or a New England (NH) Town.  Or, possibly, because of the special Wyoming Laws, we could from a New County by splitting an existing Wyoming County.  This last is especially attractive because we could form a New County in the middle of Cheyenne - we could even make our County include the Capitol and that SubWay that serves buffalo subs.  THEN you'd see Publicity - our Sheriff woiuld have jurisdiction over the Legislature!  And remember, there are no State Police in Wyoming!!  We would reign supreme!!!
As a practical matter, we must recognize that the state of Wyoming would stop us form actually splitting a New County off in real life.  So the best bet short-term is Ellsworth NH, then Grafton.



Thank you!  Fantastic idea btw.  The more I read of Wyoming I have come to like it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 25, 2009, 03:59:01 PM
  So the best bet short-term is Ellsworth NH, then Grafton.
By short term, do you mean 10+ years?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 25, 2009, 04:10:21 PM
Does that fucking idiot even think? 
Sounds like they didnt plan very well, and also didnt do their research about starting a business well enough either...thats too bad.

Running a restaurant is roughly 10% about the food. There are many very successful places with pretty average, or even kinda bad food, and there are places I've seen come and go in less than 6 months that had some of the best food I've ever tasted. If you don't know how to run a business, having good food will not save you. The person who put the first month's rent down should have been more interested in their business plan than Ivy's ability to use a frying pan.

I found it absolutely amazing that someone was willing to entrust that kind of money to someone with such poor character as Ivy.  With all the problems that she's caused for people here I'm surprised anyone would have trusted that swamp hag bar fly with a dime.  Only thing anyone should ever give her is a fucking bus ticket back to Rhode Island.   
The "free towners" will embrace just about anyone who is willing to live in Grafton. But they are also willing to throw people under the bus.

But that business plan sucked. Opening a mexican restaurant on credit in Bristol, NH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol,_New_Hampshire), a town with a population of around 3000, during the off season? The big attraction in Bristol is Newfound Lake. The lake isn't that big of an attraction and only in the summer.



Look, in all seriousness... 

I know a couple folks who opened a little stick-built shack-restaurant after retirement, the place is practically a bunk-house with a screen door.  It would remind you of a teener-league baseball food stand, except you can walk inside.  A couple dudes could whack this puppy out on a weekend. 

Their whole twist is breakfast and lunch, I'm pretty sure to this day, they don't serve dinner.  Its all Breakfast sandwiches wrapped in tinfoil, and jumbo burgers for lunch, french fries, three-dogs-for-two-bucks, sausage sandwiches, that sorta thing.  Its geared for the workin-dude and they're opened by six am, and the minute they open theres a steady stream of roofers, carpenters, mechanics, people from that-place-down-the-road (whatever), and they make a fuckin' killing.  They've got potato pancakes on Thursday, and a line out the door. 

And how's it done?  The momma-bear calls everybody "Hon", asks hows the baby.  Gives 'em a bellyfull for five-fifty, and they come back 3x a week.  In the back, on the grill, is a cousin or a niece, pushin' it out - paid under the table.  But they gotta be there every day, like clockwork.  Because those dudes gotta be on the jobsite by 7, bangin' hammers. 

Those fuckers are making money hand over fist.  Says if they knew it woulda been like this, they woulda retired twenty years ago.  Closed on Sundays. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 25, 2009, 07:29:49 PM
Fast food is the way to go, no doubt about it. And you really need to cut out as much overhead as possible.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 25, 2009, 07:42:41 PM
There are a couple of fast food restaurants that I wish were in this state.  I wish there was a Panchero's in NH. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 25, 2009, 11:31:15 PM
Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)

WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.

I know it'll be unpopular but...has this guy ever taken a hunter's safety course?  Or at least talked to someone who's been a gun owner and a safe gun owning advocate?  I see him carry that rifle like it's an official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time and I think...WTF?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 25, 2009, 11:38:47 PM
Is that a rifle or a pellet gun?

I think the cop hit the nail on the head when he said that people don't see activism, they see kookism. 


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 25, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
He's practicing for the day he has to haul dead weight and a rifle away from the town square.  
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 25, 2009, 11:48:27 PM
Please.  That boy is likely to remove himself from the gene pool here eventually. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Dylboz on April 26, 2009, 12:00:00 AM
Anarcho-Jesse is a danger to himself and others.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 26, 2009, 12:13:05 AM
If he starts spending lots of time in jail then at least he'll be out of the publics view for awhile.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 26, 2009, 12:25:19 AM
Y'know..  It probably won't be long before a few of the grown-ups who live there stuff him in a barrel and throw him off a cliff. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 26, 2009, 10:15:18 AM
There are a couple of fast food restaurants that I wish were in this state.  I wish there was a Panchero's in NH. 

Waffle House

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 26, 2009, 11:05:29 AM
This is what I want around here.

Panchero's
IHOP
Sonics
Culver's

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 26, 2009, 03:54:13 PM
This is what I want around here.

Panchero's
IHOP
Sonics
Culver's



You need Bojangles. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on April 26, 2009, 04:41:12 PM
Never been to one but yeah.  we need one of those.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 26, 2009, 06:50:19 PM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: rookie on April 26, 2009, 10:19:34 PM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)

:shock:  one of those just opened up in stevens point.  I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 26, 2009, 10:22:05 PM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)

:shock:  one of those just opened up in stevens point.  I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.

I went to one in Madison during the winter.  I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 26, 2009, 10:33:10 PM
Back on topic:

http://freekeene.com/2009/04/26/sam-update-phone-call-from-sam-help-get-him-on-freedom-watch/
Ian:
Quote
I spoke with Sam this morning. He’s wondering if he should stay in jail as the writ of habeas corpus is taken to the NH supreme court. (The superior court judge denied it, saying he couldn’t let Sam out without having his “legal” name.) Sam also didn’t get mail yesterday, which he seemed bummed about. I suggested the guards have been holding his mail. I also suggested he start eating. The hunger strike hasn’t done anything to gain publicity for his case, and will only serve to weaken his composition and distract his mind. Two weeks is enough, especially for someone with Sam’s body type. So, to get out of jail, he can either wait there and see what happens, pay $10,000 cash bail (which you can bet will have whatever fines he’s ordered to pay taken out of it after a trial, so this is the worst option), or give up his “legal name”, which may lead to a bail hearing and release on recognizance.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 26, 2009, 10:49:42 PM
Ohhhh the freedom of cameras in courtrooms is intoxicating.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 26, 2009, 10:52:16 PM
Ohhhh the freedom of cameras in courtrooms is intoxicating.
This was about the lobby, not the courtroom.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 26, 2009, 10:53:30 PM
Ohhhh the freedom of cameras in courtrooms is intoxicating.
This was about the lobby, not the courtroom.

Whatever.  The whole thing is stupid and dragging it out is even stupider.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 26, 2009, 11:13:47 PM
Anarcho Jesse carrying a rifle with a couple bags of top soil in downtown Keene.

(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/364/ajrifle.jpg)

WTF? Every rifle I have has a sling.

I know it'll be unpopular but...has this guy ever taken a hunter's safety course?  Or at least talked to someone who's been a gun owner and a safe gun owning advocate?  I see him carry that rifle like it's an official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time and I think...WTF?


Did anyone else notice the way he muzzle swept the cameraman not once but twice as he was putting the soil on the ground?



Yeah but it's a right!  Who needs to bother with that whole responsibility thing.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 26, 2009, 11:49:26 PM
This is what I want around here.

Panchero's
IHOP
Sonics
Culver's



Culvers, really? Culvers sucks.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 26, 2009, 11:51:41 PM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)

:shock:  one of those just opened up in stevens point.  I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.

I went to one in Madison during the winter.  I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.

Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going  :lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 27, 2009, 12:11:18 AM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)

:shock:  one of those just opened up in stevens point.  I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.

I went to one in Madison during the winter.  I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.

Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going  :lol:

Make sure you go to one in a college town.  The broads are juicier.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 27, 2009, 12:14:29 AM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)

:shock:  one of those just opened up in stevens point.  I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.

I went to one in Madison during the winter.  I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.

Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going  :lol:

Make sure you go to one in a college town.  The broads are juicier.

I like how they carry that sludge-pot under their skirt so you can get the wing sauce off your fingers, like a ball washer at a golf course. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 27, 2009, 12:30:30 AM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)

I like how they carry that sludge-pot under their skirt so you can get the wing sauce off your fingers, like a ball washer at a golf course. 

I didn't notice that.  My wife would have been mad had I looked long enough to notice.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 27, 2009, 12:48:25 AM

Make her wait in the car. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on April 27, 2009, 12:54:13 AM

Make her wait in the car. 

Actually...If I could get one of those outfits and have my wife wear it that'd be better.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: rookie on April 27, 2009, 02:37:39 AM
and a Tilted Kilt

http://www.tiltedkilt.com/index.html

(http://www.franchisetimes.com/images/editorial/Oct07p76_a.jpg)

:shock:  one of those just opened up in stevens point.  I had NO idea that's what the waitress uniforms looked like.

I went to one in Madison during the winter.  I was amazed those broads weren't freezing.

Ok I frequently visit both those places, how have I never even heard of this? I'm gonna have to talk my GF into going  :lol:

Make sure you go to one in a college town.  The broads are juicier.

Madison.  Osh-Kosh.  Point.

check.  check.  and check.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 28, 2009, 02:42:18 PM
lol

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211718#msg211718
Jason Sorens:
Quote
Actually, I think that was the "savegrafton" blog. If she wanted a real far-right-winger, she should have spoken to that guy: a Holocaust denier who was upset most about the fact that most of us favor legalizing prostitution, who used racial terminology as an insult on this very forum.

I would respond and ask for evidence of those accusations, but I was banned.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 28, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
Letter sent out in the town Mark lives in:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211890#msg211890
Quote
April 27, 2009
 
Dear Fellow Westmorelanders:
 
Leaders of the Free State Project movement have now bought homes and property in Westmoreland.
 
While my wife and I believe that tolerance for divergi ng views is a hallmark of a robust democracy, we also believe it is necessary to have a comprehensive understanding of those who say their objective is to “take over” state and local government in New Hampshire.
 
The town of Grafton, New Hampshire did not have an adequate plan in 2004 for dealing with the Free Staters.  Grafton’s status today is as follows:
 
17 properties are now owned by Free Staters;
The Free Staters put a warrant article on the ballot to kill the Planning Board;
One Free Stater, whom they say has been expelled, set up a web site targeting
  specific townspeople standing in their way to a takeover;
The Free Staters initiated the Grafton Gazette newspaper to promote
    their agenda and silence the opposition;
A large gathering of anarchists from around the country were invited to Grafton
  in 2008.  See this website for details: http://burningporcupine.com/
Grafton is now promoted on Free State blogs and discussion forums as the place for
  out-of-state anarchists to set up shop.
 
The Free Staters have already made the following inroads in Westmoreland: local government positions and infiltration of a civic organization.
 
My wife is a public interest writer and has spent in excess of 300 hours researching the history of the Free State movement, its tactics of intimidation, and the secret corporate money backing its agenda.  Below is the second in her series of articles which appears today at www.counterpunch.org
 
If you would like to receive the first article in the series, future updates and a draft proposal for a 10-step program for dealing with the agenda of the Free State movement (which I seek resident input for),  simply hit reply and type “Subscribe” in the subject line.
 
You may feel free to forward this email to other community-minded residents.
 
Sincerely,
 
Russ Martens
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 28, 2009, 05:02:54 PM
Friday may be good for more drama

http://freekeene.com/2009/04/28/marijuana-activist-refusing-to-attend-trial-if-cameras-banned-from-court/

Quote

Marijuana Activist Refusing to Attend Trial if Cameras Banned from Court

Filed under: Issues, News, Thuggery — Ian at 2:20 pm on Tuesday, April 28, 2009

In response to the recent arrests (including one indefinite jailing) of videographers in the Keene District Court lobby, Andrew Carroll, who will be tried for his civil disobedience of publicly possessing marijuana on May 1st at 1:30pm, has stated the following on the Free Keene Forum:

 
Quote
  I am going to refuse to proceed with my court case (May 1, at 1:30 pm) until cameras are allowed in. Freedom of the press is too invaluable to the protection of liberty to let its blatant violation go unchallenged. I demand the officers and magistrates of the court show proper respect for the rights of individuals. Someone needs to watch the watchers.

    I will show up on May 1 and attend my trial as scheduled; but I will refuse to proceed with the trial without cameras there. They are too essential to a fair trial - or, more accurately, too essential to holding judges accountable for creating unfair trials - to proceed without them.

    You are all, of course, free to do as you please, but that is my plan. Sam is still in jail and the least I can do to thank him for his bravery is try to take the absurdity of all these abuses to court and challenge them there. Perhaps keep him company in Westmoreland, if that’s what it comes down to. But that decision is in the hands of the “authorities.” The next move belongs to them. Let us see how many peaceful people they will throw in jail.

Other forum posts suggest that in addition to this civil disobedience by Carroll, more liberty activists may choose to also risk arrest by recording video in the allegedly public lobby of the district court, to show support for jailed videographer and activist Sam Dodson as well as journalist Dave Ridley who was first arrested for recording in the same lobby back in March.

Activists will likely gather downstairs at 3 Washington St. after 1pm on Friday. Will the government people allow cameras in their allegedly public court, or will they continue cracking down on peaceful people attempting to exercise their supposed right to freedom of the press? Also, will Andrew be jailed over his courageous act of possessing cannabis in public? If you can’t be here in person, watch it unfold here on the blog.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on April 28, 2009, 09:18:49 PM
Andrew shoulda been the one planting the garden instead of AnarchoJesse. His woulda been filled with other plants :)

But of course he is right up there with Sam: really wants to get a rap sheet.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 28, 2009, 10:30:04 PM
Letter sent out in the town Mark lives in:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211890#msg211890
Quote
April 27, 2009
 
Dear Fellow Westmorelanders:
 
Blah, blah, blah...
 
Sincerely,
 
Russ Martens
This was sent as an email?

Did they talk about this on FTL?

Do people in the town know about Mark's "background" yet?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on April 28, 2009, 10:31:30 PM
Rut roh
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Dylboz on April 29, 2009, 12:20:41 AM
Those people are severely ugly. Deeply confused, thoroughly misguided, they need to be disabused of the notion that an increase in government power can possibly equal a proportional increase in human liberty. They are inversely proportional. Reading her article made me sick. Literally. My stomach turned.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on April 29, 2009, 11:45:41 AM

and in the FSP corner:

http://freedomdemocrats.org/node/3302

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: zackbass on April 29, 2009, 01:58:52 PM
Letter sent out in the town Mark lives in:

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg211890#msg211890
Quote
April 27, 2009
 
Dear Fellow Westmorelanders:
 
Leaders of the Free State Project movement have now bought homes and property in Westmoreland.
 
While my wife and I believe that tolerance for divergi ng views is a hallmark of a robust democracy, we also believe it is necessary to have a comprehensive understanding of those who say their objective is to “take over” state and local government in New Hampshire.
 
The town of Grafton, New Hampshire did not have an adequate plan in 2004 for dealing with the Free Staters.  Grafton’s status today is as follows:
 
17 properties are now owned by Free Staters;
The Free Staters put a warrant article on the ballot to kill the Planning Board;
One Free Stater, whom they say has been expelled, set up a web site targeting
  specific townspeople standing in their way to a takeover;
The Free Staters initiated the Grafton Gazette newspaper to promote
    their agenda and silence the opposition;
A large gathering of anarchists from around the country were invited to Grafton
  in 2008.  See this website for details: http://burningporcupine.com/
Grafton is now promoted on Free State blogs and discussion forums as the place for
  out-of-state anarchists to set up shop.
 
The Free Staters have already made the following inroads in Westmoreland: local government positions and infiltration of a civic organization.
 
My wife is a public interest writer and has spent in excess of 300 hours researching the history of the Free State movement, its tactics of intimidation, and the secret corporate money backing its agenda.  Below is the second in her series of articles which appears today at www.counterpunch.org
 
If you would like to receive the first article in the series, future updates and a draft proposal for a 10-step program for dealing with the agenda of the Free State movement (which I seek resident input for),  simply hit reply and type “Subscribe” in the subject line.
 
You may feel free to forward this email to other community-minded residents.
 
Sincerely,
 
Russ Martens


So now Tim Condon wrote to me this morning:

Quote
Greetings, Larry. Hope this finds you and your family doing well. I just wanted
to alert you to the fact that the communists and Democrats have apparently
launched a full-scale smear campaign against the Free State Project and those of
us who have moved to Grafton. They're prominently using your Free Town web sites
to discredit us. (Check it all out at
http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=17641.msg210785, and at the
referenced Keene Sentinel article, as well as the two smear pieces published in
the online communist magazine Counterpunch.) I really wish you'd take your Free
Town web sites down, or at least note on them that you're not with the Free
State Project and that the sites are not connected with or approved by the FSP.
Your references to cannibalism and incest and other such stuff, as you know, are
at odds with what the rest of us believe. ---Tim Condon


And this was my reply:

Quote
No, they are not at odds; all libertarians oppose enforcement of laws that
punish such acts between consenting adults, and many FSP Participants are
libertarians. In fact, many FSP Participants - especially at NHUnderGround and
FreeTalkLive - today are saying the very same things to which you have objected
so strenuously (actually you do NOT object to those things, you only object to
their being voiced out loud - as if the shitheads are too dumb to google
Libertarianism).
As I tried to tell you many times, you can't achieve a voting majority in a
State without first achieving a voting majority in one small portion of that
State. And there is nothing immoral about using the Force of the Vote to stop
the Initiation of Force by some old-time residents of a Town against their
neighbors.

Read the explanation by your Dalebert here:
http://freekeene.com/2009/04/20/fine-young-cannibals/#more-1832
He seems to get it: It is a mistake to conflate (1) opposing the punishment of
an activity and (2) advocating or promoting that activity. - - - But then he
does exactly that when referring to me!

We will take over the Town Governments of Grafton and Ellsworth, and as I told
you long ago we will do it even without Converting most of the current
residents.

Respect works both ways, you know. When the shitheads do not respect our right
not to be threatened and incarcerated, we have no obligation to respect their
desire to Initiate Force against their neighbors.
And I regret to inform you that I am going to have to put Merle on The List, for
his participation in a State drug bust in Grafton. He has made his choice to
Initiate Force.

As for stating that the FSP is not associated with this or that site, my
goodness aren't you the ones who after 501(c)(3/4) have insisted that you do NOT
take any stand at all on which views the Participants espouse? Are you guys now
taking a position for and against certain political viewpoints once more?
BALLS? Say it isn't so, Tim.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on April 29, 2009, 02:09:30 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: freeAgent on April 29, 2009, 08:06:56 PM
I love how Ms. Martens links the Kochs to the whole FSP through a single person who is affiliated with institutions that are funded by the Kochs.  If that's the worst she can do to the FSP, I'd love to see what she turns up when she investigates our two major political parties.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 01, 2009, 01:15:19 PM
Free staters should be getting arrested right about now.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 01, 2009, 05:30:53 PM
Andrew shoulda been the one planting the garden instead of AnarchoJesse. His woulda been filled with other plants :)

But of course he is right up there with Sam: really wants to get a rap sheet.
I hear Andrew was fined $420.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 02, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
http://keenesentinel.com/articles/2009/05/01/news/local/free/id_354168.txt

    Free Stater convicted for pot
    Trial brings laughter this time, not chaos

    By PHILLIP BANTZ
    Sentinel Staff
    Published: Friday, May 01, 2009

    An 18-year-old Keene activist was convicted Friday of possessing a small amount of marijuana during a protest earlier this year.

    James Andrew Carroll represented himself during his trial in Keene District Court on a Class B misdemeanor charge of marijuana possession tied to his January arrest in Railroad Square in downtown Keene.

    Between 30 and 40 people with ties to the Free State Project showed up to support Carroll during the trial. Many of them protested the state’s marijuana laws, holding up homemade signs outside the courthouse, before the trial was under way.

    The Free Staters relocated to New Hampshire as part of an effort to recruit at least 20,000 “liberty-loving people” to the state, according to the project’s Web site. Carroll left California for Keene.

    Armed with the works of German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche and printouts of sections of the U.S. Constitution, Carroll argued that marijuana possession is a victimless crime and said his rights were being violated.

    “What’s accomplished by throwing a friendly guy like me in jail?” he asked one of the Keene police officers called to testify for the prosecution.

    During the cross-examination of another officer involved in collecting the marijuana seized from Carroll, he asked: “When you touched the plant, did you feel harmed in any way?”

    Carroll drew laughs from his supporters in the gallery at various points throughout the trial, and even got a chuckle from Judge Edward J. Burke when he joked that he’d stashed marijuana in the Nietzsche book he brought to court.

    “He laughs. He knows marijuana shouldn’t be illegal,” Carroll said.

    “I do have a sense of humor,” Burke said.

    Carroll took the stand to be cross-examined by Assistant Cheshire County Attorney D. Chris McLaughlin, who declined to question him.

    Burke convicted Carroll after the brief trial and handed down a $420 fine
, which Carroll refused to pay. The conviction carries a maximum fine of $1,200.

    Carroll was also given the option of working off the fine through 42 hours of community service.
He declined that option as well, saying any volunteer work he performed would be a personal choice, and not for the state.

    Eight days in jail is Carroll’s only other option. He said after the trial that he would do the time and appeal the conviction.

    Burke said he would rather see Carroll pay the fine with cash or community service, and gave him until Monday to reconsider his decision.

    “I don’t like to do this,” Burke said of the possibility of sending Carroll to jail.

    Meanwhile, Carroll’s trial turned out not to be a replay of the scene that played out at District Court during the April 13 arraignment of Manchester videographer Dave Ridley, when Free Staters and their associates protested Burke’s ban of photography in the court’s lobby.

    The activists believed Burke was stepping on their right to record in a public space, and some chose to ignore the ban.

    Court officials say the ban protects juveniles and victims of crimes walking through the lobby from being photographed without their consent.

    There is no state law that addresses the use of recording devices in the corridors and lobbies of courtrooms.

    During Ridley’s arraignment, seven people were arrested or given summonses for disorderly conduct.

    A Free Stater and an activist with ties to the group recorded Carroll’s trial on video, but no one used a camera in the lobby and there were no arrests.

    One of the protesters arrested during Ridley’s arraignment remains at the Cheshire County jail in Westmoreland. Sam Dodson, a Free Stater from Texas, has refused to tell the authorities his name to complete the booking process.

    His attorney, Ivy Walker, a Free Stater from Rhode Island, has asked the state Supreme Court to move Dodson through the booking process and grant him a trial because the authorities have his fingerprints.

    “The fingerprints are sufficient,” Walker said. “They need to release him or at least schedule a trial.”

    The Supreme Court is expected to release a decision on Walker’s argument Monday.

    Phillip Bantz can be reached at 352-1234, extension 1409, or pbantz@keenesentinel.com.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 02, 2009, 01:29:12 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_19994.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 02, 2009, 01:57:51 PM
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 02, 2009, 03:49:05 PM
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?

SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)


SHAMEFUL INDEED...

SAD...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: zackbass on May 10, 2009, 07:43:01 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=14264.msg249594#msg249594
Quote
The July issue of the Grafton Gazette is available now at http://www.graftongazette.com/Current.pdf

We expanded it to 12 pages, and ran our first paid full page ad!  Also, we had it mailed to every household/box in Grafton.  It was really a team effort so a big shout-out to everyone that helped.

A special thanks goes to Kat for her help getting us started.

Mary H. McDow, or as Zack called her, Bloody Mary, died June 11, 2008. She was the town clerk. She pulled me over about a year ago and said she was gunna call the police (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=15321.msg283108#msg283108) on me cus I drive bad. I avoided registering a car for about 6 months cus I didn't want to see her. I got the car registered monday and found out she was dead. Weird.


Wasn't her maiden name Fisher?  Weird...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on May 10, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?

SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)


SHAMEFUL INDEED...

SAD...



dude, it's an image macro
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Free Market on May 10, 2009, 11:12:41 PM

The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues.  They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists.  I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.   



Chip on your shoulder much about people who mind their own business?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on May 10, 2009, 11:29:40 PM

The 'free towners' are little more than half-wit ideologues.  They seem more interested in becoming separatists than actual political activists.  I kinda wish they picked someplace a little more remote like Greenland so I wouldn't have to hear from them.   



Chip on your shoulder much about people who mind their own business?

and I really do hope the mind their own business.......in Greenland.  However if they stick around here and continue to do extremely stupid stuff then I will continue to give my opinion on them.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Free Market on May 11, 2009, 12:27:13 AM
RE:  Anarcho Jesse and the fact that his efforts have supposedly yielded little results ( like yours have  :roll: ).


Why are numerous people in this thread such consequentialist  fucktards?

Since when do libertarians judge the rightness of wrongness of actions based on the end-result, rather than via examining whether a person was within their rights to do what they did.  The answer is, they don't.  Consequentialism has no legitimate place in libertarianism, an inherently deontological philosophy.


Some of the comments in this thread question the action, and actions can always be questioned.   However, far too many comments seem to be criticisms of his effectiveness as an activist, using that as a straw man smear tactic to disparage his actions.   


And for that matter, what have you done to advance the cause of liberty and defeat the State?    The appropriate answer for virtually every single person here (if not all), is the same as mine.   You have done nothing.   If you are one of those special one-in-a-million people that managed to actually bring about legal change, leading to more liberty, let's hear what you did.  If not, shut your yapper about how Anarcho Jessee has not accomplished anything.

Furthermore, holding any single person up to an impossible standard of what they must accomplish with their actions, that being, fighting entrenched bureaucracy in one of the most powerful nations on Earth, is the height of an asinine critique. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on May 11, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
AnarchoJesse is a fucking mindless idiot.  His efforts have yielded results, unfortunately none of them positive.  Dropping a gun in the state house, flipping out and yelling at people in the state house, running around with a fucking MAC-11 on a sting like he's fucking Rambo, and doing God knows what other idiocy is not doing a single fucking positive thing to advance liberty.  That stupid son-of-a-bitch is a fucking embarrassment and a menace to everyone around him. 

Whether you have a right to do something doesn't mean that it is the wise thing to do. 

Consequences matter.  I personally do not give a shit what your intentions are or your beliefs or what you believe is your right.  If you are unable to deliver the goods then you are USELESS.  Results are what matter.     
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 11, 2009, 08:15:41 AM
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?

SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)


SHAMEFUL INDEED...

SAD...



dude, it's an image macro

I'm not referring to the macro...I'm referring to the severe body language exhibited by the ALMIGHTY WORSHIPFUL pajama-clad "judge"...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on May 11, 2009, 02:04:28 PM
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

SHOULD JUDGES HAVE ANY SELF CONTROL?

SADLY, THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME...

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5066/stoplolling.jpg)


SHAMEFUL INDEED...

SAD...



dude, it's an image macro

I'm not referring to the macro...I'm referring to the severe body language exhibited by the ALMIGHTY WORSHIPFUL pajama-clad "judge"...



I don't see anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 11, 2009, 02:19:45 PM
A $420 fine for a couple grams of weed is pretty harsh.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on May 11, 2009, 02:24:50 PM
A $420 fine for a couple grams of weed is pretty harsh.

That's out Free State!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on May 22, 2009, 01:14:46 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=17895.msg297867#msg297867

Quote from: AnarchoJesse
Quote from: Pat K
Quote from: AnarchoJesse
Quote from: Pat K
Quote from: AnarchoJesse
Good to see this thread is still here. I've grown bored, and the Underground is always good for kicking shit around.

For all of my detractors, and especially YOU, Kat: They never did build statues for critics.

For those who supported me, thank you.

No they usually build statues to some SOB who got people killed.

Are you being contrarian just for the sake of it, or to save face for your clique?

I have a clique ?

Cool, who are all the members of the PatK clique?

Maybe I can get them jackets or some thing.

Ya know Jesse if ya could just get that big chip off your shoulder
and ditch the I have a big problem with my daddy thing, life would probably be
much smoother.

Choke on a donut, you miserable fat fuck.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 22, 2009, 01:44:47 PM
I may not be a big fan of Russell and Kat, but Jesse is just a dick.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 22, 2009, 04:04:15 PM
I may not be a big fan of Russell and Kat, but Jesse is just a dick.

it's the playground in second grade all over again...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 22, 2009, 06:26:47 PM
AnarchoJesse crying about his Karma:

http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18140.0

I wish I wasn't banned from there just so I could screw with his karma.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 22, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=989.msg9139#msg9139
Quote
Jesse thrives off of getting involved in fights he can blame on someone else.

He's going to protest G20 (or whatever it is) with a bandanna, anti-tase suit, among other things. He wants to get beaten. He can't wait.

Someone needs to make a video of that.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 22, 2009, 11:57:49 PM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=989.msg9139#msg9139
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Jesse thrives off of getting involved in fights he can blame on someone else.

He's going to protest G20 (or whatever it is) with a bandanna, anti-tase suit, among other things. He wants to get beaten. He can't wait.

Someone needs to make a video of that.

That whole thread is fucked. 

See that dude trippin' for someone callin' out his homeboy?  Fuckers are begging for a reason to throw down.  Fuck that noise. 

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Alex Free Market on May 23, 2009, 01:06:23 AM
Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.   All it was, was "noise" which distracted from the relevant issue(s).
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on May 23, 2009, 01:26:07 AM
Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. 

Sometimes people like to have a laugh at the expense of others. There doesn't have to be a point.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Osborne on May 23, 2009, 02:50:09 AM
Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.   All it was, was "noise" which distracted from the relevant issue(s).

There was a relevant issue?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 23, 2009, 03:08:06 AM
Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. 

When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying.  Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff.  They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it.  They don't obsess over it, showing it to people.  When was the last time someone showed you their wallet?  You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.  

To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever.  Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around.  But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are.  And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.  

And other people who are sane catch that vibe.  I know I do.  My survival early-warning dumbfuck detector lights up.  Its pingin' right now, just by reading these incidents.  I know its gonna happen.  

And it doesn't make a peep regarding certain other gun-people, who shall remain nameless.  Because their maturity and responsibility make it a non-issue.  When the sane ones are around, you're actually safer.  When the immature ones are around, you're less safe.  They make bad decisions, and they could go off for the wrong reasons.  They could pull it out in a confrontation when its totally unnecessary.  They could instigate and escalate a situation purely for the reason of pulling it out, because they have false bravado and they desire the opportunity.  

And these people know that.  Maybe they wouldn't explain it exactly the same way as I did, but they know.  They run in very small social circles and attend the same events.  They have mutual friends who migrate between circles.  You could do a Venn diagram on these fuckers.  And I think more than a few do NOT appreciate the fact that they live in the shadow of an active volcano.  
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on May 23, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
They run in very small social circles and attend the same events.
This has been one of my criticisms of many of the more extreme Free-Staters. They don't get involved in the community and spread the ideas of liberty in civil society. Instead they engage in navel-gazing with other libertarians (nothing wrong with that, but it accomplishes nothing in itself). The only time the rest of the community hear from them, is when they are "causing trouble"

Compare and contrast with the FSPers who are, eg, quietly helping out at the Food Bank, or get themselves elected, or even who put out newspapers/radio shows/TV programs. Those people are engaging the society, not antagonizing it.


Edit: you  may flame me now, for I am full of love
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 23, 2009, 09:52:06 PM
navel-gazing

LOL. 


I feel compelled to mention, I don't know these people.  Obviously.  I base these very basic observations on my own experience, small town life and small groups that patronize the same notable events over a period of time.  If you've ever made a habit of seeing a bar band when they appear, you'll notice you see the same few dozen regulars amid the larger crowd. 

I feel that this is a reasonable comparison to the incestuous nature of intermingled groups who share an interest.  I also know it can become very strained and uncomfortable when there is a rift that has developed among a number of the participants, and these fuckers seem to build rifts with the industrious tenacity of beavers. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on May 23, 2009, 10:37:30 PM
Drama in the free state indeed. It'll have to be something to look out for for any of us planning on making the move.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 23, 2009, 11:41:17 PM
The only time the rest of the community hear from them, is when they are "causing trouble"

Compare and contrast with the FSPers who are, eg, quietly helping out at the Food Bank, or get themselves elected, or even who put out newspapers/radio shows/TV programs. Those people are engaging the society, not antagonizing it.


This is actually the more important of comments I wanted to address, if any comment can be deemed important. 

I have a long-standing criticism as well, on this.  I've said time and again, the image is extremely important and it is damaging to the overall project when people cause shit-storms. 

I have absolutely no problem with people who like to party.  But it seems to me, every fuckin' burner on the planet is hell-bent for leather to roll mightily into Porc Central, and when they get there, they're housin'.  If they're gonna go there to get fucked up, lets just call it what it is, the Fucked Up Project. 

The locals know it.  The cops know it.  And neither take kindly to being a haven for a burgeoning drug culture.  Granted, if you're an insider, your quality of shit has probably gone through the roof, and props to that.  But that should be, at best, a pleasant side-effect of the efforts. 

The real efforts should be focused on attracting some serious challengers who aren't fuckarounds.  Professionals who got game.  And this criticism is not in any way meant to detract or talk down to the younger folk, but you guys should really keep a tighter lid on things and not be quite so flagrant about your recreational interests.  I know its exciting to be among a counterculture society, but you guys ain't the first, trust me on that.  And if you've got any serious, realistic hopes on making this fucking thing work, you will pull in your horns and stop acting like a bunch of half-cocked rookies, because you're making it twice as hard on the serious folk to get any traction on the ice. 

For every one guy who takes a chance opening a business, three probably decide it ain't worth it to be neck-deep in wild-eyed radicals.  And thats whats killing the whole thing. 

Now, I understand Denis wasn't directly or indirectly addressing the stoner situation.  He tactfully sidestepped it, and instead called out a generalized "trouble".  But I have no qualms about calling it what it is.  Because I don't give one fuck about who likes me or not.  There is a time and a place for behaviors and activities.  Society is a balancing act, it requires equal measures.  And you guys are seriously out of balance on the entrepreneurial and professional side.  And it will NOT recover and prosper if the situation continues to grow more radical. 

In fact, it will blight.  And you will be blamed.  People who close shops will directly blame the influx of unemployed for a downturn in economic hardship, escalating criminal activity, and low rent statistics and arrest records will be cited.  People who fail in business and have a grudge are always willing to lay blame at the feet of others, rather than cite their own mistakes.  And you know as well as I do, it could easily become vogue for local disenfranchised business owners to point fingers as a parting shot.  I saw it a dozen times, except they cite bars as the reason.  As if their yarn shop failed because of midnight bar traffic.  Their yarn shop failed because its a fuckin' yarn shop. 

The young men and women who participate in the various freedom projects need to display a higher measure of personal responsibility.  They need to represent.  They are the independent spokesmen for their cause, and should make a concerted effort to avoid at all costs being the butt of their jokes, or an example of what *not* to do.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on May 24, 2009, 07:14:37 AM
Responsible gun owners save lives.

Irresponsible gun owners somehow end up blowing their balls off, IF THEY'RE LUCKY, because they think it'd be cool to carry that Desert Eagle tucked into their waistbands.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: zackbass on May 27, 2009, 01:43:22 PM

Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. 

When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying.  Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff.  They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it.  They don't obsess over it, showing it to people.  When was the last time someone showed you their wallet?  You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.  

To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever.  Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around.  But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are.  And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.  


I reckon the Second Amendment applies to irresponsible toy-lovers as well as to evolved gun-culture members.  Just as the First applies equally to immature macho-flash exhibitionists and thoughtful talk-show hosts.
Right on (again), Alex.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on May 27, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question.   All it was, was "noise" which distracted from the relevant issue(s).

Fuck off
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 27, 2009, 03:55:36 PM

Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. 

When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying.  Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff.  They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it.  They don't obsess over it, showing it to people.  When was the last time someone showed you their wallet?  You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.  

To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever.  Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around.  But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are.  And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.  


I reckon the Second Amendment applies to irresponsible toy-lovers as well as to evolved gun-culture members.  Just as the First applies equally to immature macho-flash exhibitionists and thoughtful talk-show hosts.
Right on (again), Alex.



carillón

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 27, 2009, 07:09:21 PM

Every single person in the thread where Jesse talked about Kat's article mentioning him, who criticized his choice of weapon purchase, should be ashamed of themselves for wasting everyones time with garbage that did not need to be either written, nor read.

Nobody should give a shit what these peoples opinion are of Jesse's weapon.  We are all arguably just a little bit stupider for having to have read that shit, and if anyone here is the offender who did that, you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.  His choice of weapon has no bearing on Kat's article, or the incident in question. 

When a responsible person carries, you probably won't know he's carrying.  Its like a wallet to a well balanced person, a part of their personal stuff.  They know subconsciously exactly where it is, and exactly whats in it.  They don't obsess over it, showing it to people.  When was the last time someone showed you their wallet?  You may catch a glimpse, but thats about all you'll see.  

To an immature person who is not in the right frame of mind, its like the coolest fuckinshit ever.  Like a kid with a new iPod or some other hot-list item, they're all geeked on it, but by the code of Man-Law, its taboo to flash it around.  But they can't help it, because they want everyone to know how badass they are.  And those are the absolute DEFINITIVE wrongest people to be carrying.  


I reckon the Second Amendment applies to irresponsible toy-lovers as well as to evolved gun-culture members.  Just as the First applies equally to immature macho-flash exhibitionists and thoughtful talk-show hosts.
Right on (again), Alex.



Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on May 27, 2009, 07:12:27 PM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: freeAgent on May 27, 2009, 08:35:30 PM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on May 27, 2009, 08:37:15 PM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...

What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: JWI on May 27, 2009, 08:38:15 PM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

It does too!  Just sign this contract and prepare to be offended on a voluntary basis!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 27, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...

What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.

Yeah, I know.  I's just sayin'.

They don't have to sit on their hands with mouths shut. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: freeAgent on May 27, 2009, 08:53:31 PM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...

What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.

I agree with you.  I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P

Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it.  Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is).  Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html).  And there you go.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on May 28, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...

What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.

I agree with you.  I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P

Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it.  Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is).  Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html).  And there you go.

That's why it wouldn't work best case, where everybody really hates the guy.

This isn't even close to that, and most cases wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: freeAgent on May 28, 2009, 08:14:13 AM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...

What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.

I agree with you.  I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P

Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it.  Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is).  Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html).  And there you go.

That's why it wouldn't work best case, where everybody really hates the guy.

This isn't even close to that, and most cases wouldn't be.

I like to make the strongest case possible by being as charitable as possible to the position which I'm arguing against :P
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 28, 2009, 08:22:33 AM
Yeah, it does.  So what?  That doesn't mean the general populace can't shun a dumbfuck if he's a danger to himself and others.  Or is this social ostracization crap only good for certain things, after the offense? 

Ostracization doesn't work.

Indignant rebukes in 3...2...1...

What? It's true. He's still in NH and he's still got people defending him. He can still go to Walmart and buy ammo for that MAC-DADDY.

I agree with you.  I'm just pointing out reality as it applies to this BBS :P

Ostracization doesn't work because people are disincentivized to go along with it.  Think of participants in ostracization as a cartel (because that's what it is).  Now think about cartels why they don't work...or if you can't figure it out, look here (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Cartels.html).  And there you go.

That's why it wouldn't work best case, where everybody really hates the guy.

This isn't even close to that, and most cases wouldn't be.

I like to make the strongest case possible by being as charitable as possible to the position which I'm arguing against :P

chime

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on May 28, 2009, 11:06:25 AM
Drama in the free state indeed. It'll have to be something to look out for for any of us planning on making the move.
To be frank, it's really not that big of a deal. Just how some of you get on this forum everyday or multiple times per day, the same applies for the denizens over there. People make posts and sometimes you get threads like this, here or there.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on May 28, 2009, 11:58:12 AM
t's really not that big of a deal.
^this

There are 700+ FSPers in NH. I generally see only one of them in a given day, and I'm married to her. There's drama, but not much, and it's usually because the kids are keeping us awake all night :P
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 29, 2009, 10:42:17 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2009/05/29/antigovernment_activists__putting_down_roots_in_nh/

The appeal of 'Live free or die'

KEENE, N.H. - From a jail cell in this rural corner of New Hampshire, Sam A. Miller waged a philosophical battle, one milk carton at a time.

The soft-spoken electrical engineer declined food for nearly a month, save for swigs of milk. To eat, he said, would be caving to the tyrannical government powers that placed him here for illegally filming in a courthouse and refusing to reveal his legal name to jail officials. (He says it's private; jail officials obtained it from a fingerprint trace.)

His resistance has made him a folk hero among antigovernment types who have been making their way to New Hampshire from points across the country since their leaders put out a clarion call six years ago.

The Free Staters, as they are known, hope to lure thousands of like-minded souls to the state, with the goal of paring government to a bare minimum by eliminating things like taxes, speed limits, and zoning laws.

Thus far, just 427 Free Staters have relocated. Yet, here in Keene and in pockets across New Hampshire, Free Staters are making their case in increasingly provocative ways.

"Like Ghandi, like Martin Luther King, we need to educate and enlighten the public," said Miller, who joined the Free State movement after breaking up with his fiancée.

The actions have ranged from the odd, such as when Free Staters filed another person's fingernails without a manicurist's license on a public sidewalk or held an unlicensed puppet show, to the irksome, as when they tried to dig a garden in a downtown Keene park, to the instigative, such as the day they stood on a street corner with a marijuana bud held aloft. Sometimes, they simply veer toward obstinate, wearing hats in a courtroom after being asked to take them off or refusing to remove a couch from a lawn.

When arrests have followed, Free Staters have sought to film the criminal proceedings from beginning to end, including scenes from courthouse lobbies, where filming is not allowed in some cases, such as in Keene District Court. The lobby filming has yielded more arrests (often, with Free Staters going limp as officers approach) and more footage that Free Staters post on websites such as FreeKeene.com, which has proved an effective recruiting tool.

The so-called liberty actions have been met with some bemusement by residents of this gently tolerant city, population 22,800, home to Keene State College, near the border of Vermont. But some say the tactics have taken on a menacing hue, such as when Free Staters have gathered on the streets of downtown Keene with holstered guns on their waists, visible on their waists.

"When they first came to town, there was a welcoming spirit. A lot of people were like, 'OK,' " said Richard Van Wickler, a Keene resident and superintendent of the Cheshire County Department of Corrections. "But unfortunately what happens is that when [Free Staters] take the radical approach, that invites people to get angry."

More fundamentally unnerving, some say, is the Free Staters' efforts to secure government positions, with the goal of whittling down or eliminating them. The Free State Project's president, Varrin Swearingen, said in a telephone interview there are four state representatives with ties to the project and a "double-digit number" on local boards and commissions. He declined to release their names, saying to do so would violate their privacy, though he said some have "outed" themselves.

The officials already are wielding influence, he said. For example, a Free Stater elected to a planning board in a town near Keene, which he would not identify, swayed the board to vote against a zoning ordinance restricting new big box stores, a measure the Free State member said unfairly restricted property rights.

The Free State Project is the brainchild of Jason Sorens, a State University of New York-Buffalo political science professor who published an article in 2001 in the online magazine Libertarian Enterprise outlining the idea. "Government should be there to protect people's rights but otherwise allow for the maximum amount of freedom," Sorens said in a telephone interview. "It goes back to John Locke and Thomas Jefferson."

The article made a splash in libertarian circles, and in 2003, some 2,500 followers of Sorens voted to make New Hampshire their laboratory, believing that the state's flinty individualism would jibe with its view of small government, limited to "protecting life, liberty, and property." Then former governor Craig Benson endorsed the group's plan, and would-be revolutionaries began trickling into the state.

Unlike militia groups in the West, Free Staters are not loners who seek to live solitary existences undisturbed by government intrusion. "You tend to find people [in the Free State Project] who are happy to live in cities and towns and who want to persuade people that freedom is better than tyranny," Swearingen said in an interview.

There was no concerted plan to make Keene a focal point. But when high-profile activists, such as Ian "Freeman" Bernard, host of "Free Talk Live," a nationally syndicated radio program, and Lauren Canario, a veteran civil disobedience activist, found their way here, others followed. Today, Keene counts several dozen outspoken Free Staters and more who operate less flamboyantly. The Keene Free Staters tend toward the far end of the Free State Project spectrum, believing that government should not just be limited, but eradicated.

On a recent day, six Free Staters gathered at a Panera's in Keene to talk about the Project. The members hailed from across the country - Oklahoma, Florida, California, Nevada. Many are single men; the majority are computer programmers. They tend to speak in precise diction and with overarching politeness. But at the mention of government, they betray a brimming anger and declare zealous dedication to the Free State Project.

"Short of death - no limits," said Canario, the lone woman at the gathering, who spent over a month in jail when she refused to provide identification or speak to a police officer who pulled her over for speeding.

The Free Staters said they have no plans to temper their acts of civil disobedience, and if anything, will ramp up their attacks on the court system for not permitting them to film in the lobby. (Court officials say the ban is necessary to prevent the filming of children or domestic violence victims who may be present in the lobby.)

But Free Staters, keenly aware of their image, have undertaken a public relations campaign. Hoping to end the use of parking meters, Free Staters have fanned out across Keene on recent afternoons to place nickels in expired meters, leaving notes on windshields signed "Robin of Keene."

For inspiration, they say they need look no further than to Miller's jailing and hunger strike, which he ended Sunday. The 30-something son of a Dallas police officer faces one misdemeanor count of resisting arrest, said Miller and Ivy Walker, his acting legal counsel.

During an interview in the airless visitors room of Cheshire County Jail, Miller said he has scratched "FreeKeene" into a wall with his thumb and befriended other inmates, who gave him their milk. Still, he said, jail has only reinforced his abiding conviction that government, as constituted, is an enslaver.

"I see Free Staters as the modern-day abolitionists," he said.
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Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on May 29, 2009, 10:49:46 AM

fair

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 29, 2009, 11:02:27 AM
I had to laugh. Sam is a piglet, and Varrin won't "out" FSP members who got elected.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on May 29, 2009, 11:43:40 AM
So he's not called Dodson?  :lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 29, 2009, 01:03:45 PM
So he's not called Dodson?  :lol:
I think that is his mothers maiden name.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on May 29, 2009, 01:29:17 PM
What does this piglet mean in this sense?
/me is confus
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 29, 2009, 01:30:46 PM
What does this piglet mean in this sense?
/me is confus
Offspring of a pig.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on May 29, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
What does this piglet mean in this sense?
/me is confus
Offspring of a pig.

Oh, duh, I didn't read that far into the article. LOL.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on May 29, 2009, 11:43:56 PM
I had to laugh. Sam is a piglet, and Varrin won't "out" FSP members who got elected.

As a noob - I didn't find any humor in the article

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More fundamentally unnerving, some say, is the Free Staters' efforts to secure government positions, with the goal of whittling down or eliminating them. The Free State Project's president, Varrin Swearingen, said in a telephone interview there are four state representatives with ties to the project and a "double-digit number" on local boards and commissions. He declined to release their names, saying to do so would violate their privacy, though he said some have "outed" themselves.
I find it funny that some of these people don't want to be associated with the Free State Project. They also make it a point to let other people know they don't want to be 'outed'.  The only state rep. they have been willing to name is Joel Winters.

Check out this thread Where's the list of FSP State Rep Winners? (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=16281.0) on the FSP frourm.

Dreepa....He is a selectman in Hopinkin (http://forum.nhliberty.org/index.php?topic=735.0). He posted this stuff:
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There were 4 FSP Movers who won.
Not all of them want their names known. In some towns being an FSPer can help.  In others it can hurt.
Many FSPers will answer honestly if asked if they are a freestater but often don't shout it frm the rooftops.

We should respect their privacy.
That sounds like some Freestaters will deny being a Freestater. There is so much comedy in this.

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No disrespect but who am I to tell you who they are if they asked that I didn't.  I keep my word.


(http://www.jimforsythe.com/extras/phpThumb/phpThumb.php?src=http://www.jimforsythe.com/images/uploads/Jenn.jpg&w=120&h=120&sx=1&sy=1&zc=1)
Coffey, Jennifer  Andover,Boscawen,Canterbury,Loudon,Northfield,Salisbur


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/3010724012_18b4f4a9c2.jpg?v=0)
McGuire, Carol    Allenstown,Epsom,Pittsfield


(http://www.jimforsythe.com/extras/phpThumb/phpThumb.php?src=http://www.jimforsythe.com/images/uploads/Pratt.JPG&w=120&h=120&sx=1&sy=1&zc=1)
Pratt, Cal        Goffstown,Wear



Winters, Joel     Manchester
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 01, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18237.msg298855

Kat Kanning:
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Lifted all bans, except for spammers.

Looks like I wasn't just banned, my account was deleted.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on June 01, 2009, 06:30:06 PM
Of course, you only listed the early movers who got elected as state rep. There are FSP members that were in NH before it was "Chosen" and who are still sitting State Reps (and some who got unelected in the past few cycles)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 01, 2009, 06:48:06 PM
Of course, you only listed the early movers who got elected as state rep. There are FSP members that were in NH before it was "Chosen" and who are still sitting State Reps (and some who got unelected in the past few cycles)

2 more?

I wonder if they will only admit to being a FSP member to another FSP member.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 01, 2009, 07:32:54 PM
It's a secret takeover.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on June 01, 2009, 08:43:03 PM
Wouldnt the FSP be shut down if horrible masses of people start signing up? Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 01, 2009, 08:56:56 PM
Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?

This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 02, 2009, 12:11:25 AM
Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?

This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
The FSP is doing just fine, Beej.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: voodoo on June 02, 2009, 12:16:39 AM
Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?

This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
The FSP is doing just fine, Beej.

Yeah, Beej.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 02, 2009, 12:18:24 AM
Like if tons of republican politicians sign up in droves and claim to be members? How would it affect the project?

This already happened. It's why the FSP isn't worth a damn now.
The FSP is doing just fine, Beej.

Riiiight.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 02, 2009, 12:32:03 AM
'just fine' as in "I've fallen and I can't get up! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_fallen_and_I_can't_get_up)"

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Lifecall-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 02, 2009, 01:08:33 AM
'just fine' as in "I've fallen and I can't get up! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I've_fallen_and_I_can't_get_up)"

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Lifecall-1.jpg)
I can appreciate the humor, but ultimately I don't understand why you and bj think that the FSP isn't worth a damn. What precisely do the two of you not like about the direction that the FSP is heading? Are you just upset w/ the slow moving progress? I mean, I just moved here and my life is financially better already. I even have leads with hot chicks (though not FSPers) and I've only been here a week. What's the deal?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 02, 2009, 07:54:49 AM
lol
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 02, 2009, 11:59:51 PM
lol
You got up that early to say that? Come on Beej, you're way cooler than that. :o
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 03, 2009, 12:17:49 AM
lol
You got up that early to say that? Come on Beej, you're way cooler than that. :o

You're like a Scientologist.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 03, 2009, 12:44:25 AM
lol
You got up that early to say that? Come on Beej, you're way cooler than that. :o

You're like a Scientologist.
No, I'm Catholic. You know you like those 10 commandments...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 04, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
This guy in Keene wants to be a hero

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1039.msg9855

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Sometime Monday 6/8/09 I will challenge the courts on Sams indefinite imprisonment, prolly with a sign hold in the court room silently, in the back with no chanting.  I don't know exactly when as judge Burke holds different court times, I'm not even certain he holds court on mondays.  I would prefer to focus on primary enforcers such as police rather than secondary enforcers such as courts, and jails, however in Sams situation, it is judge Burke who is the primary instigator.  The following is my statement, though I will likely make minor changes, and polish it up a bit.  ===


Every nation in the world that imprisons people indefinitely, with or without trial always has an excuse.  The Soviets had some reason to put every individual they arrested in jail.  Cuba has its excuses.  China too.  Don't forget about Iran.  Why do powerful governments bother even giving excuses?  Because it gives them the legitimacy to do anything to anyone they want.  The greater legitimacy they have, the less opposition they have from the very small minority in any country that actually cares about creeping tyranny.  In the United States, the excuse given is usually that the person is a terrorist or conspiracy to commit some crime.  It is important to note that not everybody accused of a crime is actually guilty of anything.  That is why there are supposed to be speedy trials, so that a persons life is not destroyed fighting false charges.  Nobody seems to care as long as the person is not a United States citizen.  Creeping Tyranny.  The most dangerous tyranny creeps, it doesn't run, again because there is always less opposition.  The reason there is less opposition is that few recognize creeping tyranny as dangerous.  They are too busy looking for the next Hitler, Stalin, Mao, people that are obviously tyrants.  They have intellectual arguments about slippery slopes, not realizing that we are already on the slippery slope, and have been for quite awhile.   

Jose Padilla was a United States citizen.  Born in Brooklyn New York.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Padilla_(alleged_terrorist)#Timeline
He was held for three and a half years before he was even officially charged with a crime.  He was never charged with the claim that was originally made about him in public.  He was convicted on a conspiracy charge.  We have been on the slippery slope for quite awhile.  More Creeping Tyranny.

In Keene New Hampshire, a man is in jail initially for attempting to videotape a court proceeding but was not able to get past court security and into the courtroom, and was arrested for videotaping in the lobby just prior to the arrest.  He has since been held indefinitely by judge Edward Burke's order for contempt due to his refusal to state his name.  His name is Sam Dodson, and his birth name is Sam Miller.  Both names are the worst kept secret in town.  The government has stated that they know who he is, but are trying to require him to say it himself.  If this was about justice, he would have had his trial for the initial charges and would have been given his sentence, or released.  But this isn't about justice, it is about power, and Sam will not give it to them.  The excuse here is that Sam will not cooperate, so he must be jailed indefinitely, till the judge feels like releasing him.  It is possible the judge is being less than honest, and will release Sam within the week.  It is also possible for the judge to hold Sam till sometime next year.
Sam is a peaceful passive resister.  He went limp upon the arrest, putting the arrestors in the position of having to carry him if they wanted to continue with the arrest.

The judge is not elected, and even if he was, since most vote according to political party affinity, it is incredibly difficult to vote out incumbents.  Attempts have been made by associates of Sam to secure his release or progress in his legal status through the higher courts to no avail as of yet.  Further more, courts have traditionally upheld the 'right' of a judge to indefinitely hold a person for 'reasonable' amounts of time.

I know of no effective means to challenge this power to indefinitely imprison someone.  Power is rarely given up by those in privilege voluntarily, without being challenged.  I am a believer in the potential of assertive peaceful civil disobedience to compel change by direct challenge.  It is for this reason I have chosen to submit myself to this awful power of indefinite imprisonment.  It is my intention to increase the costs of enforcement, since it seems that the courts have so much money that they can waste time with a non-crime where there is clearly no victim rather than going after actually hurtful people, people who are real criminals.  At any time the courts are welcome to release me and Sam thus reducing the added expense both monetarily and in manpower.

No Victim, No Crime

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Practical issues,-
 first, I need a place to store my personal belongings, nothing bulky, except my bike which can be chained up outside, but maybe a dozen or two boxes once I pack it all up.  I will pay for space so long as my money reserves last.  I also have 4 large planters that need sunlight, if I am to have any kind of a garden.  Nothing illegal, just a normal fruit and veggie garden in pots.  I will not expect any weeding or watering to be done.  As long as it rains from time to time.

I am giving up my room rental.  I will be available then, great home owner, 110 a week.  Not sympathetic to libertarian issues, but not nosy either.  He has cats and a dog.  No smoking.  He has a few written terms he asks you to agree to, but it is not a lease, though he would like two weeks notice that you are leaving which I just did.   

any help would be appreciated. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on June 04, 2009, 02:52:41 PM
WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 04, 2009, 03:02:58 PM
WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?
That is how you become a hero in Keene.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 04, 2009, 04:29:39 PM
http://freekeene.com/2009/06/04/trial-scheduled-for-sam-615-130pm-et/

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Trial Scheduled for Sam: 6/15, 1:30pm ET


BIG NEWS:

Mark your calendar. A trial has been scheduled for Sam on 6/15 at 1:30pm in Keene District Court. (2nd Floor, 3 Washington St., Keene, NH 03431)

Word is Ivy sent notice to the city manager and council as well as some other bureaucrats to let them know they will be held liable under some federal code about deprivation of rights (USC 1983) for every day they have been complicit in holding Sam. A couple of days later, a trial has been magically scheduled.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 04, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?
That is how you become a hero in Keene.

Ha. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 04, 2009, 06:10:36 PM
http://freekeene.com/2009/06/04/trial-scheduled-for-sam-615-130pm-et/

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Trial Scheduled for Sam: 6/15, 1:30pm ET


BIG NEWS:

Mark your calendar. A trial has been scheduled for Sam on 6/15 at 1:30pm in Keene District Court. (2nd Floor, 3 Washington St., Keene, NH 03431)

Word is Ivy sent notice to the city manager and council as well as some other bureaucrats to let them know they will be held liable under some federal code about deprivation of rights (USC 1983) for every day they have been complicit in holding Sam. A couple of days later, a trial has been magically scheduled.
Rowdy!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 04, 2009, 09:16:08 PM
HAHA, Mike Lorrey has his own ED page:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Mike_Lorrey
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 04, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Ivy Arrested.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 04, 2009, 10:52:50 PM
Ivy Arrested.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267
Welfare fraud?

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 04, 2009, 10:56:05 PM
Ivy Arrested.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267
Welfare fraud?

I don't know enough about her past to comment. I know she was on welfare for a while. That's about the extent of my knowledge.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 04, 2009, 11:46:26 PM
LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 04, 2009, 11:50:12 PM
Felony, no more guns for her.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 05, 2009, 01:09:00 AM
Felony, no more guns for her.
Uh oh... That sucks balls to say the least.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on June 05, 2009, 01:13:29 AM
I think this just speaks about the type of woman Ivy actually is.  She is a worthless white trash skank who has been nothing but a headache to everyone around her.  

So I guess this means she's not coming to Porcfest.  
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 05, 2009, 01:21:25 AM
I'm really wanting to say something cool now, but I'm worried about my FSP image. Oh well.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 05, 2009, 01:25:03 AM
I think this just speaks about the type of woman Ivy actually is.  She is a worthless white trash skank who has been nothing but a headache to everyone around her. 

So I guess this means she's not coming to Porcfest. 

Uh oh, watch yer karma.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: kalmia on June 05, 2009, 03:10:40 AM
Have any of you people who are criticizing Jesse for carrying the MAC on a string ever seen him with a MAC?  Do you have any reliable source that says he did?  I think many of you want to condemn him for something you know to be true based on nothing more than everybody knows it to be true, so it is true.

He certainly needs some training in proper handling if he still has the same problems that lead him to drop a gun a while back, but be careful about why you attack people.


Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on June 05, 2009, 05:52:01 AM
Talking trash about people is generally bad.
But people who are unsafe with guns are KEEP THE FUXK AWAY FROM ME YOU MORAN!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: kalmia on June 05, 2009, 06:11:11 AM
Talking trash about people is generally bad.
But people who are unsafe with guns are KEEP THE FUXK AWAY FROM ME YOU MORAN!

Fine, you are the one that claimed to see him drop a handgun in the state house, right?  I assume you know more about how safe his handling is than I do, but all this MAC on a shoestring talk is pretty meaningless as far as I can tell.  I agree with the reasons not to go around with a MAC on a shoe string.  I also have not seen any substantial evidence of anyone doing so.  Jesse said he didn't even own a MAC at the time of the incident that put him at odds with the Kannings.  I don't know enough of the details to say whether he did anything wrong in that case, but I hope he didn't.  If he used poor judgment, I hope he has learned a bit of wisdom from all this.

I'm not much of an open carry person, but I can see its usefulness as making a statement, but not much else in almost all cases.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: kalmia on June 05, 2009, 06:12:32 AM


I was in a situation once where a man came at me with a knife while I was near my parked car.  He was chasing me with the knife, and I was running around my car.  This was at a time when my driver's side door was having issues opening.  I had a gun in my car that I was trying to get in and get.  But I was unable to get to it.  Ultimately I convinced the guy to leave me alone and he left.  This was in Gary, Indiana, not New Hampshire.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: freeAgent on June 05, 2009, 08:08:23 AM


I was in a situation once where a man came at me with a knife while I was near my parked car.  He was chasing me with the knife, and I was running around my car.  This was at a time when my driver's side door was having issues opening.  I had a gun in my car that I was trying to get in and get.  But I was unable to get to it.  Ultimately I convinced the guy to leave me alone and he left.  This was in Gary, Indiana, not New Hampshire.

Your problem is that you were in Gary :P
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 05, 2009, 08:13:00 AM
Have any of you people who are criticizing Jesse for carrying the MAC on a string ever seen him with a MAC?  Do you have any reliable source that says he did? 

I was at Social Sunday. Jesse says to me "Hey, wanna buy a gun?" Then he spins a quarter spin as the Mac dangling from his shoulder swings forward.

So yes, I saw it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 05, 2009, 08:26:53 AM

Liberty Dollar folks were arrested by the thugsters recently also...

of course, it's only going to get much worse as Amerika twists and jerks in the noose...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 09:18:24 AM
OMG

Ivy sure has a spicy life.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 09:35:08 AM
LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
Especially when they change their name once they get to NH.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 05, 2009, 10:08:22 AM
LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
Especially when they change their name once they get to NH.

She went by Ivy while still in RI. according to: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=10057.0
Do you blame someone for trying to get away from that past?

Bad choices or bad luck? I don't know. But Ivy doesn't deserve this.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 05, 2009, 10:28:02 AM

I think the problem with so many people is that they play both sides of the fence...

when it benefits them they grovel before the state and ask the state to loot someone else so that they can "get" their "share" of the loot and booty...

when it benefits them they are complacent and/or approving and/or participatory with the bureaucrats and jackboots and mercenaries...

they loot for welfare, they loot for unemployment, they loot for disability, they loot for social security, etc....


then they wonder why they themselves are looted?


ugh...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 10:53:33 AM
LOL. More evidence that all the IN YOUR FACE people up there are running from something.
Especially when they change their name once they get to NH.

She went by Ivy while still in RI. according to: http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=10057.0
She didn't go by Ivy Walker.

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Do you blame someone for trying to get away from that past?
I don't blame them....but it can't be done. You can't change the past.

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But Ivy doesn't deserve this.
When it comes to the government, it doesn't matter what you deserve. The biggest reason I don't want any government "benefits" is because of all the strings attached. Sometimes they use those strings to hang you.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
WTF did that guy just say he is planning on moving to jail?

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1039.msg9991#msg9991
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Canceled, Sam finally has trial date.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 05, 2009, 01:57:14 PM
OMG

Ivy sure has a spicy life.
I wonder what this means for her restaurant... Bill is going to have his hands full, that is, if they're doing good business in regards to patrons.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 05, 2009, 02:40:18 PM
She didn't go by Ivy Walker.

And she wasn't married to Bill Walker then, either.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 03:04:34 PM
She didn't go by Ivy Walker.

And she wasn't married to Bill Walker then, either.
Common law married?

What was Ivy's last name before she "married" Bill?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 05, 2009, 03:06:04 PM
OMG

Ivy sure has a spicy life.
I wonder what this means for her restaurant... Bill is going to have his hands full, that is, if they're are doing good business in regards to patrons.

She's spent significant time away from it while working on Sam's case anyway. Bill seems to be doing a good job.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 05, 2009, 03:08:39 PM
Common law married?

What was Ivy's last name before she "married" Bill?

"Married" because they choose to call it that.

Her name was in an above link I gave you: "My name is Sharon Ankrom, but most folks call me Ivy."
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
OMG

Ivy sure has a spicy life.
I wonder what this means for her restaurant... Bill is going to have his hands full, that is, if they're are doing good business in regards to patrons.

She's spent significant time away from it while working on Sam's case anyway. Bill seems to be doing a good job.
Are they turning a profit yet?


http://www.ivysspiceoflife.com/menu/
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Kid’s Menu

Monster Guts
    Baked Stuffed Zucchini over flowing with cheesey filling.

Snakes and Worms in the Yard
    Pan Seared Hot Dogs with Macaroni and Cheese and a veggie side.

Toenail Clippings
    Fresh tortillas with diced tomatoes, olives, jalapeños, and shredded cheese.

Cow Patties in the Pasture
    Grilled Hamburger with tortillas and a veggie side.

Stuffed Dragon Scale by the Field
    A Beef Taco with lettuce, diced tomatoes, and shredded cheese and a veggie side.

all items $4.99
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 05, 2009, 03:46:34 PM
Some of the entrees sound decent, I'll have to take a stroll up that way sometime.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 04:03:30 PM
http://www.ivysspiceoflife.com/specials/
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Wednesday
    Public Service Personnel Night — PD, FD, and EMTs bring in your badge, or town office personnel bring in your business card, and get 15% off.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 05:01:01 PM
http://www.nhclog.org/node/6
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Ivy’s felony charges from R.I.: arraignment
Fri, 2009-06-05 09:00 — jraxis

Ivy was arrested on 2009-06-04 in New Hampton when she was stopped at a speed trap and they discovered she has a warrant out for her in Rhode Island, for felony charges alleging some sort of embezzlement when she was on welfare there.

Ivy was arraigned in Laconia District Court on 2009-06-05. Bill Walker, Bill D., and I showed up shortly before 09:00, when the arraignment was supposed to happen; the court security officer at the door first told us no cases had been scheduled today, but then remembered there was one person who was supposed to be arraigned.

As usual, they were confused over the procedures to video in court—the bailiff at the door claimed that only WMUR was allowed to video, and held onto the camera until I got permission from the court to bring it in.

It took them almost an hour to get the arraignment underway. First, they had to go “looking for a judge” because court wasn’t normally in session on Fridays. While this was going on, Bill W. went to file the appearance form as her legal counsel while I dealt with the video motion form. We then went and waited in the hallway, while the courtroom slowly filled up with bureaucrats.

A bailiff came out and told me the judge had approved the video motion, so I could go in and set up the camera—on the witness stand, facing the defense table only. Apparently the prosecutor and judge didn’t want to appear on camera. [I haven’t reviewed the video yet, but this setup was probably actually a good thing: In Manchester, seated in the gallery, the audio is almost unintelligible. Being pointed at the defendant should make the sound a lot clearer.]

A total of fifteen bureaucrats had assembled in the courtroom: The judge, the court clerk, the prosecutor, a New Hampton police officer, three bailiffs, four sheriffs, and the county attorney with three interns, assistants, or similar. Security was incredibly beefed up; they had the front row of the gallery cordoned off so none of us could sit within reaching distance of the defense table, and the entire roomful of bailiffs jumped at every move Bill W. made.

They denied Bill’s motion to appear as Ivy’s legal counsel, because the form wasn’t notarized, and because Ivy hadn’t granted him power of attorney. The fact that it had been impossible for her to do so, being incarcerated, and the fact that they wouldn’t let him speak to her in order to have her do so, didn’t matter. Typical bureaucracy.

They brought Ivy in handcuffed and shackled, and the clerk read off the charges: Two counts of violating RSA 262:16, “Counterfeit, Unauthorized or Forged Stickers, or Decals or Facsimile; Altered or Modified Temporary Motor Vehicle Registration Plates,” violation of RSA 261:178, “Suspension of Registration of Vehicle,” and violation of RSA 612:3, the statutes covering extradition. The complete charge was described as, “after committing a crime in another state, to wit, Rhode Island, for failing to appear in the Providence County Court, for the charge of embezzlement, in violation of the laws of the State of Rhode Island, and is now within the State of New Hampshire, and is liable under the United States Constitution to be delivered on demand of the Governor of Rhode Island and to be removed to the said state.”

Ivy said virtually nothing during the trial. They offered her a court-appointed attorney, to which she explained if she had access to a law library, she could represent herself pro se. They still wanted to appoint her stand-by counsel, and gave her a week to decide how she wanted to proceed.

The judge explained that because the charge was a felony, she could not enter a plea on Ivy’s behalf; also, oddly, she didn’t even ask for pleas, nor enter ones on her behalf, on all of the misdemeanor motor vehicle charges. Ivy was given personal recognizance bail on the latter charges, but the judge said she could not grant any sort of bail on the felony fugitive from justice charge, so after the arraignment was over, they took Ivy back into custody.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 05, 2009, 07:22:10 PM
And Ivy's restaurant is being searched per recent porc411
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 05, 2009, 08:01:33 PM
Roof caved in. 

Who's next?  Step right up.  Buy a ticket, win a prize.  C'mon, pal.  Win a prize for yer gal.  Whats a matter, can't throw a ball, don't got a buck?  First one's on the house.  C'mon, sport, got a rubber arm?  Everybody wins. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 05, 2009, 08:12:58 PM

who let the dogs in...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 05, 2009, 08:52:57 PM

who let the dogs in...


I imagine they let themselves in.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 05, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
http://www.nhclog.org/node/6
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Ivy’s felony charges from R.I.: arraignment
Fri, 2009-06-05 09:00 — jraxis

Ivy was arrested on 2009-06-04 in New Hampton when she was stopped at a speed trap and they discovered she has a warrant out for her in Rhode Island, for felony charges alleging some sort of embezzlement when she was on welfare there.

Ivy was arraigned in Laconia District Court on 2009-06-05. Bill Walker, Bill D., and I showed up shortly before 09:00, when the arraignment was supposed to happen; the court security officer at the door first told us no cases had been scheduled today, but then remembered there was one person who was supposed to be arraigned.

As usual, they were confused over the procedures to video in court—the bailiff at the door claimed that only WMUR was allowed to video, and held onto the camera until I got permission from the court to bring it in.

A bailiff came out and told me the judge had approved the video motion, so I could go in and set up the camera—on the witness stand, facing the defense table only. Apparently the prosecutor and judge didn’t want to appear on camera. [I haven’t reviewed the video yet, but this setup was probably actually a good thing: In Manchester, seated in the gallery, the audio is almost unintelligible. Being pointed at the defendant should make the sound a lot clearer.]

A total of fifteen bureaucrats had assembled in the courtroom: The judge, the court clerk, the prosecutor, a New Hampton police officer, three bailiffs, four sheriffs, and the county attorney with three interns, assistants, or similar. Security was incredibly beefed up; they had the front row of the gallery cordoned off so none of us could sit within reaching distance of the defense table, and the entire roomful of bailiffs jumped at every move Bill W. made.

They denied Bill’s motion to appear as Ivy’s legal counsel, because the form wasn’t notarized, and because Ivy hadn’t granted him power of attorney. The fact that it had been impossible for her to do so, being incarcerated, and the fact that they wouldn’t let him speak to her in order to have her do so, didn’t matter. Typical bureaucracy.

They brought Ivy in handcuffed and shackled, and the clerk read off the charges: Two counts of violating RSA 262:16, “Counterfeit, Unauthorized or Forged Stickers, or Decals or Facsimile; Altered or Modified Temporary Motor Vehicle Registration Plates,” violation of RSA 261:178, “Suspension of Registration of Vehicle,” and violation of RSA 612:3, the statutes covering extradition. The complete charge was described as, “after committing a crime in another state, to wit, Rhode Island, for failing to appear in the Providence County Court, for the charge of embezzlement, in violation of the laws of the State of Rhode Island, and is now within the State of New Hampshire, and is liable under the United States Constitution to be delivered on demand of the Governor of Rhode Island and to be removed to the said state.”

Ivy said virtually nothing during the trial. They offered her a court-appointed attorney, to which she explained if she had access to a law library, she could represent herself pro se. They still wanted to appoint her stand-by counsel, and gave her a week to decide how she wanted to proceed.

FSP activism at its best!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 09:00:04 PM
Ivy is a hero.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
They took Ivy's computer. I wonder who served the warrant. NH state police?


http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267.msg299320#msg299320
BrownHairedGirl:
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Odd. I wonder what connection Ivy's computer could have to receiving welfare in RI.

Probably that they are looking for the (nonexistent?) books of her former landscaping (? or whatever other self employment?) business that she closed before the mess that caused her to leave RI. Somewhere there's a bureaucrat who just can't believe there really are no records and they will turn everyone else's lives upside down to get what they assume she must be lying about, even if it turns out there's really no income related to it thus it didn't need to be on a tax form which therefore didn't need to be filed... golly isn't it just so incredible that someone would decline to file if they are so low income as to be below the limit?

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They're most likely hoping to find digital records of vast amounts of income to bolster a tax evasion case.

Probably not so much tax evasion as that one of the charges was welfare fraud. But they probably do hope to  also sniff out some tax related stuff now that they have an excuse to snoop around based on this. Or someone may be ignoring the fact that the restaurant did not exist - and certainly is outside RI's jurisdiction even if it did -  during her welfare days thus its income is not relevant to that case.

This is also an example of why we all need to be sure and keep backups of some stuff (like Bill's lost phone number lists) separate from the computer itself to prevent losses like this. Bummer Bill couldn't have said it was HIS computer rather than hers thus it was not the one described in the warrant and they shouldn't have taken it...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 05, 2009, 09:27:29 PM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18267.msg299284#msg299284

J’raxis 270145
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Ivy recently told me that the State has offered her some sort of social assistance for her kids here—which she turned down for exactly the reasons I cited above.

I wonder how the state made that offer. She lives in Grafton, right?

Anyone know if Ivy sends here kid to public school?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 05, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Ivy is a hero.

They fell right into her elaborate trap! 

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 06, 2009, 08:21:53 AM

I can hear the jackboots laughing out loud from here.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 06, 2009, 09:51:16 AM
I wonder if Ivy thought NH wouldn't pick her up for an RI warrant.

It also seems strange to me that NH would be executing a search warrant on Ivy's current bussiness over the RI charges. I wonder if the feds are involved in some kind of tax evasion charges.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 06, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=18258.0
Kat and Dave Waylaid & Robbed of Free Press Van

Ian:
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by armed, uniformed, gangster in Grafton:

http://qik.com/video/1801809
http://qik.com/video/1801833
http://qik.com/video/1801911
http://qik.com/video/1802032

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 06, 2009, 11:30:05 AM
http://courtconnect.courts.ri.gov/pls/ri_adult/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=P2-2009-1087A&begin_date=&end_date=

Case ID:    P2-2009-1087A - SHARON ANKROM
    Court :    (SC) SUPERIOR COURT     Location : (P) PROVIDENCE COUNTY
    Filing Date:    Friday , February 20th, 2009
    Type:     F - FELONY
    Status:     none
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 07, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
Ivy is prego?

Bill is going nuts.

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10156#msg10156
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First they stole my wife, carrying my unborn child.
Then they stole my truck.
Then they stole my money.
Then they stole my property.

One among you has stooped so low as to steal even more from me.
You shame yourself and everything you touch.
You have caused me irreparable harm.
You pissed on me in Hell.


                       Leave.


The town.  The project.  The state.


Keene, you have the lowest type of filth among you.
Simply turn to your left, then your right, and ask your neighbor if it's them, and if so to just leave.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 07, 2009, 02:29:17 PM
They took Ivy's computer. I wonder who served the warrant. NH state police?

They also took a printer. Probably think she made the fake temp tags / inspection stickers with it.

Sharon Lee "Ivy" Ankrom (Walker)

http://jailedactivist.info/activists/ivy-walker/
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(http://jailedactivist.info/uploads/activists/ivy-walker/ivy_walker_bust.jpg)


    * two counts of violating RSA 262:16 : Antitheft Laws, Offenses, Penalties, Habitual Offenders, Arrest of Nonresidents and Abandoned Vehicles > Counterfeit, Unauthorized or Forged Stickers, or Decals or Facsimile; Altered or Modified Temporary Motor Vehicle Registration Plates

    * violation of RSA 261:178 : Certificates of Title and Registration of Vehicles > Suspension of Registration of Vehicle

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 07, 2009, 04:02:26 PM
Wooooo, what a looker.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 07, 2009, 04:04:29 PM
Bill is going nuts.

Maybe a famous FSP bar owner was getting tired of the competition.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on June 07, 2009, 06:37:23 PM
Boner.  That picture doesn't do her justice.  She is a lot uglier in person. 

about Ivy being pregnant.   Ivy is a whore.  Who knows who the father is.  If Bill was smart he'd get a paternity test. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 07, 2009, 06:44:16 PM
The Free Staters really need a "bad egg" registry.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on June 07, 2009, 07:09:28 PM
Of course.  They will spend hours arguing about it and it will all come down to who the fanatics label as not being 'pure' enough and are closet statists.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 07, 2009, 09:41:04 PM
Of course.  They will spend hours arguing about it and it will all come down to who the fanatics label as not being 'pure' enough and are closet statists.   
Oh stop. In the more populated FreeStater areas, we don't have that problem, period. Come see for yourself. Oh, and I completely choked on my cigarette  when I read what blackie posted via Walker's latest comments about the Keene folk. :shock:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: anarchir on June 07, 2009, 10:54:35 PM
Some of the entrees sound decent, I'll have to take a stroll up that way sometime.

It does sound quite good (and excellent prices) except for the nasty names.

Worms? Toe-nail clippings?? Unless you are into freaky shit, that could easily help a customer (aka me) lose a bit of my appetite.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 07, 2009, 11:27:28 PM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10173#msg10173

Mr. Walker:
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Browbeat me as much as you want - I can ask for a written affidavit attesting to irrefutable first hand knowledge of this person's actions.
I can have it notarized if you're picky.
I can have the individual who correctly named the scumbag and confronted them verify the accuracy of the affidavit.
That person has a high standard and would not lightly attest to such a thing.
They claim that they found out from others who I can only imagine fear to comment in support of my claims, or otherwise do not want to become involved.


But I don't choose to be wronged and then be saddled with doing the work required as a result of that.


The guilty party is identified, and has been confronted.  Bitch and moan all you want - my terms to Sh*tbag are to fully spill your guts to the community and then leave, or just get the hell out.  Clearly SEVERAL people know you're guilty - so just have a spine and tell them what you're guilty OF.

Or maybe at some point I can assemble as many people who want to hear it outside of your house - for me to publicly announce it on video.

I know where you live.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 07, 2009, 11:48:39 PM
(http://images.southparkstudios.com/crap/downloads/preview_image_thumbnail.php?id=1847)

Rabble rabble rabble!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 08, 2009, 03:25:11 AM
Bill's recent posts were way out of line but he has been under a lot of stress lately.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on June 08, 2009, 03:49:29 AM
I'm curious to know who he blames for that swamp sow's arrest.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: therealritasue on June 08, 2009, 06:36:58 AM
Wait, so whats the whole "Ivy is a whore" story?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 08, 2009, 08:29:34 AM
Wait, so whats the whole "Ivy is a whore" story?
That is what this thread was first started about. See the first couple pages of this thread.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: therealritasue on June 08, 2009, 09:06:43 AM
Ah. Lovely people.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 08, 2009, 10:44:51 AM
Ah. Lovely people.
That was perfect timing :lol:
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 08, 2009, 12:58:26 PM
*sigh
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 08, 2009, 01:08:50 PM
*sigh
It was you?

I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 08, 2009, 01:09:39 PM
*sigh
How was that quality time with Ivy?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 08, 2009, 01:24:47 PM
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Did you RAD her USB Port?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 08, 2009, 01:35:01 PM
I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.

It amazes me that neither party can just come out and say it.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 08, 2009, 01:35:26 PM
I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.

It amazes me that neither party can just come out and say it.

It.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 08, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
I'm still not sure what you are "guilty" of.

It amazes me that neither party can just come out and say it.

It.

Did you get to ride the Ivy-go-round too?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: voodoo on June 08, 2009, 01:42:58 PM
(http://www.perry.com/disney/tickets/eticket.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on June 08, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
If you do decide to ride that ride be sure that you bring the proper equipment

(http://www.webstaurantstore.com/57-lb-1-6-brown-paper-grocery-bag-500-bd/57-lb-1-6-brown-paper-grocery-bag-500-bd.jpg)
(http://www.sbarnabas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/condom-snack.jpg)
(http://www.1-877-spirits.com/store/images/large/Jack-Daniels-Tennessee-Whiskey-lg.jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 08, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
Soap Opera.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 08, 2009, 02:23:10 PM
This is honestly the best page on this thread. I haven't laughed this hard in a while, good work folks.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Evil Muppet on June 08, 2009, 02:29:57 PM
Coconut fucked Ivy?  Ewwww.     

Get checked and remember.  Penicillin cures gonorrhea.   
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 08, 2009, 02:31:27 PM
Oh, and I'm going to dinner @ Ivy's restaurant tonight. I'll report back later...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 08, 2009, 02:50:34 PM
Coconut fucked Ivy?  Ewwww.     

Get checked and remember.  Penicillin cures gonorrhea.   

Well. I didn't.

I don't know what he thinks I did.

In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 08, 2009, 03:01:08 PM
Coconut fucked Ivy?  Ewwww.      

Get checked and remember.  Penicillin cures gonorrhea.    

In addition, Dale foolishly deleted the thread
That was so very gay of him.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 08, 2009, 03:05:22 PM
Oh, and I'm going to dinner @ Ivy's restaurant tonight. I'll report back later...

If you want information I suggest you ask Coc or Ivy.  Bill seems to have some 2nd hand knowledge and some of what he posted is wrong (and he hardly posted anything).

BTW, Bill is a good cook but Ivy is the main cook at her restaurant so don't expect the food to be fantastic if she is in jail.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 08, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
LOL, I just was reminded Bill was the one who cheated on his wife with Ivy. So if that's what he thinks Coconut did, lol...hypocrites...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 08, 2009, 03:17:00 PM
Oh, and I'm going to dinner @ Ivy's restaurant tonight. I'll report back later...

If you want information I suggest you ask Coc or Ivy.  Bill seems to have some 2nd hand knowledge and some of what he posted is wrong (and he hardly posted anything).

BTW, Bill is a good cook but Ivy is the main cook at her restaurant so don't expect the food to be fantastic if she is in jail.
I've decided against going tonight as there's no telling what kind of shape Bill is in. I'll just save myself the time, money and gas.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fase2000tdi on June 08, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
Someone needs to create a

 "ITT: Post if you've fucked Ivy"

If you've fucked Ivy, tell us when, if you used protection, and if you've been tested since.  Bonus points for telling us what substances you were abusing
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 08, 2009, 03:25:23 PM
Someone needs to create a

 "ITT: Post if you've fucked Ivy"

If you've fucked Ivy, tell us when, if you used protection, and if you've been tested since.  Bonus points for telling us what substances you were abusing

Or, people could keep this stuff to their self.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 08, 2009, 03:26:20 PM
Thread's not deleted. Just moved.

my bad.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 08, 2009, 03:29:03 PM
Poison Ivy And Coconut Nick Pull A Fast One In Keene, Soundwave's Common Sense!

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10222#msg10222
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This may not be a popular thing to say, but I'm going to give my honest opinion on the matter:

I'd like to preface this, Bill, by saying that I have always liked you, and never looked down on you for anything that went on in your personal life. I understand your anger and sadness right now, especially on top of everything else that is going on in your life, but I think you need to take a step back and think about this for a while before reacting.

Allow me to tell a personal story. Before I met Ian, I was with a guy named Brad for four years, and though it was not perfect, we had a pretty awesome relationship. Maybe after two years or so, Brad told me one day that he had cheated on me, and he kept lying about how far it had gone. At the time, I was heartbroken. I can't think of a time when I felt more shitty, and I dwelled on it for a long time, and always held it against him. Fast forward two more years, and even though things were great, for some reason, I really wanted to meet Ian, and I started emailing him behind Brad's back, until we did meet, and I made the hard decision to leave Brad for Ian. 

Since that time, my perspective on cheating has totally changed. Now, I don't want to make it sound like I think cheating is good, because that is not the case. I am not proud of what I did, but people make mistakes, and that's important so you can reflect and learn from them. I think cheating is cowardly and dishonest, but since I did it, even though I knew how much it hurt me, I can understand what goes through a person's mind while they are doing it.  The chemicals in the brain are very strong, and really, that makes a lot of sense from a biological standpoint. I honestly don't believe that humans were meant to be monogamous, and that the chemicals in our brains encourage us to fuck a bunch of people to help our species survive. There are some practical aspects in our modern day society to monogamy, but that's why I think communication about sex and what's going on in your head is so important in any relationship. I also think that people often confuse sex and love. Sometimes they go together, but not always.

Bill, I'm offering this as friendly advice, because I understand how dangerous it can be to be so angry. Please take a step back, calm down, and really look at this situation. It takes two to tango as they say, so logically any anger that you feel towards Nick, you should equally feel towards Ivy. Also, you should be able to understand where I am coming from on issue of cheating, because you too, have been in a similar position. The only thing I think Nick and Ivy both did wrong was not communicate what was going on with Bill.

I am truely sorry for all the shitty things going on in your life right now, but making it better is all in your hands, and being angry is not the best way to go about it, and not a good way to live your life. To forgive is right on!

Rock On Julia!

enjoy!

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fase2000tdi on June 08, 2009, 03:30:36 PM
Someone needs to create a

 "ITT: Post if you've fucked Ivy"

If you've fucked Ivy, tell us when, if you used protection, and if you've been tested since.  Bonus points for telling us what substances you were abusing

Or, people could keep this stuff to their self.

They could, but already they've chosen not to.  This is the kind of stuff that usually ends in high school. That being said, it's being aired out publicly, so  Why not make an epic thread!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Keels on June 08, 2009, 03:35:12 PM
I have no fucking clue who these people are, nor do I care…but I don’t get why it’s a big deal that she slept with another dude (if that’s even the case).

I thought you guys liked the sluts, it’s funny how quick you guys turn on a girl for the same reasons you want to fuck a girl/find a girl attractive.

Makes no sense to me.  :?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Coconut on June 08, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
Julia (soundwave) doesn't know what happened either really. Though I appreciate her comments
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 08, 2009, 04:01:45 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 08, 2009, 04:09:22 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 08, 2009, 04:12:08 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with. 

*Scribbling shorter list*
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: One two three on June 08, 2009, 04:15:35 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

Dude, you are going to Porcfest?

Sweet.  After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll  :shock:

Jason said you were a cool dude.  I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.

I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll.  I was wrong.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 08, 2009, 04:16:16 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

Dude, you are going to Porcfest?

Sweet.  After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll  :shock:

Jason said you were a cool dude.  I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.

I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll.  I was wrong.

The fuck, man?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 08, 2009, 04:17:20 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

Dude, you are going to Porcfest?

Sweet.  After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll  :shock:

Jason said you were a cool dude.  I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.

I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll.  I was wrong.

The fuck, man?

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: sillyperson on June 08, 2009, 04:17:51 PM
Brasky and John are two internet people I'd like to hang with at PF, preferably over shots, and whatever else is passing along
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 08, 2009, 04:20:25 PM
Brasky and John are two internet people I'd like to hang with at PF, preferably over shots, and whatever else is passing along

Just keep in mind that I'm exactly the same person IRL as I am online. Only maybe fatter.

Bonerjoe and Jason will attest to this.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 08, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
Just keep in mind that I'm exactly the same person IRL as I am online.

It's your old favorite John Shaw, now with 50% more anarchy!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 08, 2009, 04:41:22 PM

I thought you guys liked the sluts, it’s funny how quick you guys turn on a girl for the same reasons you want to fuck a girl/find a girl attractive.


I don't care what people do, but I care what I do, and I care who I do it with.  I can't say I wouldn't hook up with a chick who was 'taken', but it would be extremely out of character for me.

Generally speaking, it turns me off.  Makes me a little sick.  Do not want.  But if I really connected, she was a firecracker, and totally trying to untangle herself from a shitty thing she was unhappy in, I could see that.  I consider those girls 'in limbo'.  Not single...  yet. 

But if she goes back and forth, fuckin' around on her guy, using him as a stooge who she lives with who pays the bills (or part of 'em), while he sits home thinking she's out "with her friend - honest!  Call her!"  but she's really getting her sludge-pot hammered by the cock-'o-the-week, then she's a fuckin' pig. 

And I think most guys feel sort of the same way. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 08, 2009, 04:44:25 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

Dude, you are going to Porcfest?

Sweet.  After all of your trolling on this BBS I thought you were a troll  :shock:

Jason said you were a cool dude.  I guess he was right and I owe both of you an apology.

I'm sorry for thinking you were I troll.  I was wrong.

The fuck, man?

You thought that too...weird?

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 08, 2009, 04:46:13 PM
Brasky and John are two internet people I'd like to hang with at PF, preferably over shots, and whatever else is passing along

Def.  

It'll be a few years before I go.  
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 08, 2009, 04:54:20 PM
You thought that too...weird?

No, you think all sorts of crazy shit.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 08, 2009, 04:59:52 PM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*
The General is back in action!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 08, 2009, 05:29:21 PM
I have no fucking clue who these people are, nor do I care…but I don’t get why it’s a big deal that she slept with another dude (if that’s even the case).

Big pile o' this.

Yes being dishonest is a shitty thing to do, but its by no means the end of the world. All people who are "cheating" are doing is doing what they want with other willing participants.

 Now its way better for everyone involved if people are just honest about what they want, what they're doing and how they feel, but basic practical reality is most people are too pussy to be that honest.

the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. If a husband tells his wife she looks good when he doesn't believe that to be the case, is that as bad as lying about an affair he's having?

You could justify either case as not telling the truth to spare the wife's feelings.

I don't know the particulars of this case, but it doesn't sound like everyone needs to ostracize Ivy like she's some sort of child killer. The only people who should give a shit are people who actually have a relationship with those involved.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on June 08, 2009, 05:53:49 PM
Quote
the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I

LOL. STD's are not real.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 08, 2009, 07:20:14 PM
Quote
the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I

LOL. STD's are not real.

Yeah cause you can't use condoms AND have sex with multiple people.

Handshaking is one of the most common ways diseases are transmitted, does that mean handshaking with strangers is just as bad as fucking strangers? Is it some insult to your partner if you don't leave the house wearing rubber gloves?

Its no coincidence there are so many religions and cultures that enforce the idea that women have to be monogamous, or are even owned by men, its because humans are evolved to bug out when it comes to sharing sexual mates.

Its perfectly natural, but it doesn't stop it from being irrational.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: MacFall on June 08, 2009, 07:49:21 PM
59 was an awesome page on which to have started reading this thread. I chuckled at "sludge pot".
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: digitalfour on June 08, 2009, 07:58:46 PM
59 was an awesome page on which to have started reading this thread. I chuckled at "sludge pot".

I LOLed at

It's your old favorite John Shaw, now with 50% more anarchy!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Andy on June 08, 2009, 10:31:59 PM
Quote
the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I

LOL. STD's are not real.

Yeah cause you can't use condoms AND have sex with multiple people.


Its perfectly natural, but it doesn't stop it from being irrational.

Condoms are perfect and never break.

It's only irrational if you really don't care whose kids you're raising.

Besides you know it's taboo you know you're going to hurt the other person and you do it anyway, that says you don't give a shit about them.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: rabidfurby on June 09, 2009, 12:38:30 AM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with. 

*Scribbling shorter list*

Sup.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 09, 2009, 12:43:00 AM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with. 

*Scribbling shorter list*

Sup.

How you doin?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: rabidfurby on June 09, 2009, 01:03:34 AM
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with. 

*Scribbling shorter list*

Sup.

How you doin?

Yes.

See you at PorcFest, man.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 09, 2009, 01:34:18 AM
Quote from: rabidfurby link=topic=
20199.msg546971#msg546971 date=1244523814
*Scribbling down list of people to avoid at Porcfest*

It'd be easier to make a list of those to hang with.  

*Scribbling shorter list*

Sup.

How you doin?

Yes.

See you at PorcFest, man.
fuck yeh, don't put no mary down my throat plz. I must, not, smoke.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 09, 2009, 09:05:07 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10317#msg10317

Bill:
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Nick "Coconut" Ryder

"He’s a Christian involved with his local church that understands ... doing what is moral..."

Like taking advantage of a pregnant woman's hormones while she's away from her husband for weeks on end.

Bill,

Can I help you with something? Seriously, I'm not sure what this message means. I am keeping you and your family in prayers, but I feel at a loss of how to help.

Exactly what prayers are those?  Or were you "Preying" while she worked on your court case?

I was hoping to get more sleep tonight than I did last night...
Me too.
Works wonders when I'm working on Sam's case, my wife's case, waiting, cooking, preparing multiple orders, bussing, cleaning, raising a 3-year old, and desperately try to rescue the life-savings that I invested in her business so that I don't wind up broke and homeless.  Then I get to juggle a child while I abandon my only source of income to find a ride to get all the paperwork notarized and filed in a timely manner.
But I guess knifing me in the back when I was at what I thought my lowest was doesn't "cripple activism" as much as calling you out to admit your guilt and take responsibility for your own actions.

[Ian] "...though if someone broke an agreement, it sounds like it might have been Ivy."
Like there needs to be an agreement to not target someone's pregnant wife?
Do I need agreements with everyone to not steal my property?
Do I need agreements with everyone to not violate my Rights?
Do I need agreements with everyone to do things that are just obviously wrong?
I suppose Nick wouldn't violate any "agreement" if the person he exploited was drunk, drugged, or otherwise compromised.  It probably wouldn't even qualify as aggression force or fraud.
I didn't think I needed an agreement with anyone, especially other liberty activists to be decent, respectable, or honorable.  I suppose you think that everyone other than the bride and groom at a wedding should take vows not to disrespect the marriage boundaries otherwise anything goes.  "Well I didn't agree to anything..."

[Julia]
"I think cheating is cowardly and dishonest..."
         
"It takes two to tango as they say, so logically any anger that you feel towards Nick, you should equally feel towards Ivy."

Yeah, and that really helps me focus on saving her from the corrupt Welfare state's trumped up felony charges.

"Also, you should be able to understand where I am coming from on issue of cheating, because you too, have been in a similar position. The only thing I think Nick and Ivy both did wrong was not communicate what was going on with Bill. "
     
Trespassing across set boundaries is wrong whether you call someone on the phone to tell them you're going to do it or not.  "Hi, Bob?  I'm going to go break into your house while you're out at work."  Right.  That's why people have doors, locks, build walls, fences, or proclaim marriage.  And yes, I did what I did and then I had the spine to confront her face to face about it, and then gave everything I had to make my new relationship and marriage marriage work.

[Dale] Arbitrate WHAT? A fait accompli?  Opinions can be private.  Reputations are de facto public.

Yeah.  "Protector of the Innocent"  my ass.
What's your hobby?  Clubbing baby seals?  Driving people to suicide?

GREAT guy.  You'd fit right in at City Council.
Or do you plan on switching careers and working at the women's prison.
You wouldn't even need to acquire any redeeming qualities to get a date.


Scumbag.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 09, 2009, 10:54:46 AM
Quote
the only reason why people make a big shitheap about sexual dishonesty compared to other forms of dishonesty is because we're biologically evolved not to want any genetic rivals. I

LOL. STD's are not real.

Yeah cause you can't use condoms AND have sex with multiple people.


Its perfectly natural, but it doesn't stop it from being irrational.

Condoms are perfect and never break.

It's only irrational if you really don't care whose kids you're raising.

Besides you know it's taboo you know you're going to hurt the other person and you do it anyway, that says you don't give a shit about them.

Well we're talking about two different things here.

Cheating, i.e. sexual dishonesty, I believe is fucked up, BUT no more so than any other form of dishonesty. Which I object in this case of Ivy fucking around with someone. Now I don't know the specifics, so maybe the manner in which she did things was especially fucked up, but I think when most people are high horsing about how terrible it is to cheat on people, they're mainly thinking about how they would feel if it happened to them.

On the separate point of promiscuity in general, there is absolutely no rational argument for why monogamy is any better. Condoms are 99.9% effective, so the pregnancy and STI argument is bunkum, especially when if you're really paranoid you can get tested for disease, you can get a vasectomy, you can do all sorts of things.

Being a blood donor can be equally dangerous if you knowingly give blood carrying a disease you know won't get picked up on screening, but no one here bitches about irresponsible blood donors are. How many people here who have given blood got a full health check before doing it?

The way everyone seems to brings up STI's and unwanted pregnancy when mentioning sexual polyamory belies a lot of the unfounded cultural stigma there is around having sex with multiple partners.

The only argument that actually holds water is that we're biologically evolved to be upset about sexually promiscuous partners, which is fair enough, I don't expect people to be able to undo millions of years of evolution in one lifetime.

All's I'm saying is people should be more rational when it comes to dealing sexual dishonesty, and try to separate the biological imperative to be upset with sexual promiscuity from the actual seriousness of the situation.

Yeah its a bit shitty, but it is far from the end of the world.

And we're talking about peoples desires here. I very much doubt many people who engage in "cheating" do it with the intention for anyone to be hurt by it, hence why so many people are dishonest about it. Compared to all the other fucked up shit people do, the lying, passive aggressive bullshit, borrowing money and never paying it back, what you do with your sexual organs should be low on the list.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: therealritasue on June 09, 2009, 11:02:23 AM
Wait, so...why do people like this guy again? Getting pissed at someone for doing something less bad than what he did in the past, being all public about it, being an ass to people trying to be nice to him, and claiming that pregnant women can't be held responsible for their actions? Yeah, I'm just some dumbass on the internet, but...hmm.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 09, 2009, 11:09:09 AM
I just try to feel sorry for people who are in rough shape. But the bottom line is, Ivy likes dick. You don't even have to say plz.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: therealritasue on June 09, 2009, 11:14:50 AM
And why would one say please? I mean, are there really that few women in the FSP, or are men really just happy to fuck anything with a hole the right size? Good god, the people who make paper bags must be loving this.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 09, 2009, 11:21:15 AM
I just try to feel sorry for people who are in rough shape. But the bottom line is, Ivy likes dick. You don't even have to say plz.

to be fair, she likes the other stuph too...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 09, 2009, 11:23:55 AM
Back to the latest with Bill... He's trying to bust Coco's balls for touching and tasting but his own wife is much older and clearly led the charge here. Coco, likely, was just along for the ride. I just thought about it, Coco got down with a preggo... I've never had the privilege
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 09, 2009, 11:26:13 AM
What I think is funny is that the skankholio gets a pass.

She's damned good to be able to pull that off.


So, I think what we have here is what they used to call "The Classic"

Man cheats on wife with Woman X.

Man leaves wife for Woman X, a person that he KNOWS will involve herself in cheating.

Woman X cheats on man, but defends herself with "But I'M PREGNANT!"

Man is surprised, upset, and angry, BUT DOESN'T BLAME Woman X, or HIMSELF, for that matter, for being a sucker who probably gave up something better with someone better for what he has now by being a cheater himself.



LOL hormones. LOL delicate condition. LOL free will disappears under certain circumstances.

Protip- Cheaters fucking cheat, and you aren't the special one who can "change" them.

If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 09, 2009, 11:27:51 AM
Once a cheater always a cheater?

You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?

Everyone is capable of anything, some people steal once in their entire life, some people cheat once in their entire life, some people are habitual thieves, some people are habitual cheaters. people are more complex than satisfyingly succinct sayings.

Although I appreciate the irony of the guy who cheated with a woman in turn being cheated on by the woman.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: NHArticleTen on June 09, 2009, 11:28:54 AM
What I think is funny is that the skankholio gets a pass.

She's damned good to be able to pull that off.


So, I think what we have here is what they used to call "The Classic"

Man cheats on wife with Woman X.

Man leaves wife for Woman X, a person that he KNOWS will involve herself in cheating.

Woman X cheats on man, but defends herself with "But I'M PREGNANT!"

Man is surprised, upset, and angry, BUT DOESN'T BLAME Woman X, or HIMSELF, for that matter, for being a sucker who probably gave up something better with someone better for what he has now by being a cheater himself.



LOL hormones. LOL delicate condition. LOL free will disappears under certain circumstances.

Protip- Cheaters fucking cheat, and you aren't the special one who can "change" them.

If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you.

sanity speaks...

chime...

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 09, 2009, 11:30:25 AM
Once a cheater always a cheater?

You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?

You obviously didn't read the whole post.

What I said was - DON'T ACT ALL OFFENDED AND SURPRISED WHEN THE PERSON WHO CHEATS WITH YOU CHEATS ON YOU.

And yes, most cheaters are repeat fucking offenders, so go fuck yourself. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 09, 2009, 11:31:58 AM
Once a cheater always a cheater?

You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?

You obviously didn't read the whole post.

What I said was - DON'T ACT ALL OFFENDED AND SURPRISED WHEN THE PERSON WHO CHEATS WITH YOU CHEATS ON YOU.

And yes, most cheaters are repeat fucking offenders, so go fuck yourself.  

"If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you."

sounds pretty definitive to me. assuming they'll is short for they will.

Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 09, 2009, 11:32:56 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10327#msg10327

Ian:
Quote
I understand it is easy to be angry at Nick (instead of Ivy or yourself), but let's look at the situation:

I hear that Nick believed her to be a polygamist.  If it's true that he was told this, he wouldn't have been aware he was violating an unspoken agreement.

Ivy is known for being very interested in multiple partners.  There are many an activist who have reported her coming on to them, and this includes prior to her pregnancy.  (As an aside, you probably didn't know she sent a perfume-laced letter to Sam in jail.  Things that make you go, hmm...)

Ivy is a grown woman who knows what she wants and knows how to get it.  Nick is a young man with precious little experience in matters like these.  From my limited understanding of the situation, it sounds to me like Ivy was the instigator and that she told Nick what he needed to hear to feel a little less guilty about what happened between them.  She is as responsible for what happened- it's not fair of you to place the weight all on Nick's shoulders.

Did you believe her days of multiple partners were over and that you were her final conquest, Bill?  If so, you need only be angry at yourself for believing that.

Of course, I recommend moving past the anger and into forgiveness.  Start by forgiving yourself for lashing out and for believing a leopard will change its spots.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 09, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
Once a cheater always a cheater?

You reading this shit off the philosophy school of beer mats or something?

You obviously didn't read the whole post.

What I said was - DON'T ACT ALL OFFENDED AND SURPRISED WHEN THE PERSON WHO CHEATS WITH YOU CHEATS ON YOU.

And yes, most cheaters are repeat fucking offenders, so go fuck yourself. 

"If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you."

sounds pretty definitive to me.

Jesus fucking Christ. Read the whole goddamned post, dipshit. You are context dropping.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 09, 2009, 11:38:34 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292)

Quote
If I may put in my 2 cents on this nonsense.  This is exactly what someone would do who didn't like or agree with your group.  They cast doubt and suspicion and it can eventually turn everyone against everyone else.  Thats how Governments who are power hungry and don't want to let go of that power work.  It's a simple method and they have to do little to no work to win.  They pit everyone against everyone else and things get destroyed from the inside out.  Just ignore any banter that people would say to cast suspicion on a nameless/faceless person.  Cause the suspicion gets cast on your friends and neighbors.  Rise up and say, you know what, I'm not going to indulge in this nonsense and then sit here and wonder who among us is a spy/snitch/mole/informant/rat or whatever.  Move on and ignore this guy.  He obviosly wants to tear this group down in the most known and easiest and effective way.

 :lol:

Freestaters....
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 09, 2009, 11:39:00 AM
Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 09, 2009, 11:40:18 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=1061.msg10292#msg10292)

Quote
If I may put in my 2 cents on this nonsense.  This is exactly what someone would do who didn't like or agree with your group.  They cast doubt and suspicion and it can eventually turn everyone against everyone else.  Thats how Governments who are power hungry and don't want to let go of that power work.  It's a simple method and they have to do little to no work to win.  They pit everyone against everyone else and things get destroyed from the inside out.  Just ignore any banter that people would say to cast suspicion on a nameless/faceless person.  Cause the suspicion gets cast on your friends and neighbors.  Rise up and say, you know what, I'm not going to indulge in this nonsense and then sit here and wonder who among us is a spy/snitch/mole/informant/rat or whatever.  Move on and ignore this guy.  He obviosly wants to tear this group down in the most known and easiest and effective way.

 :lol:

Freestaters....

Vagina Provocateur'd
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 09, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=818.0
Ivy back in April:
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So, I've been getting phone calls and emails asking about Lumpy's somewhat cryptic message here.  And today I got the official notice in the mail, so I figured I could mention it at this point.  Unless some miracle happens we are going to have to close the restaurant.  And there's more.

I've been kinda vague about our financial situation here up til now, but let me explain a bit:
When the opportunity to open up this restaurant came up, we were a bit skeptical but hopeful that we could make it work.  We had no money to our name, but I had one person who believed in my coking abilities who was willing to invest the first month's rent, and Bill had a credit card with a high limit.  Initially Bill decided to fund this project all on credit to the tune of approximately $17,000K.

We opened on September 12th - the tail end of the busy season.  I've mentioned to people lately that "we get about 4 customers a week" - it's been that way since November.  In fact, we made more money in the last two weeks of September, than any other month at all.  In fact, those two weeks in September were nearly double the next-highest month's income.

As months passed, and we had no customers, Bill decided to dig into his nest egg.  His mother had put aside $20K for him to use as a down-payment on a home.

We used it all.

So, huge debt, then drained nest-egg, next step was to stop paying certain invoices that maybe weren't necessary.  So first the DirectTV was shut off, then they came and took the dumpster away.

Then we progressively got behind in necessary utilities.  Once a necessary utility gets shut off, we will be forced to close our doors with not a penny to our name and no way of earning any of it back.

I've mentioned recently the electric would "probably" be shut of in the next couple weeks?  Yeah.  I got the disconnect notice today.

Date of Disconnect: April 28th.

my birthday no less....

 Cry


On top of that, the place we stay at in Grafton is not our property, and the end of our contract is May 1st.

So we will be broke, in tons of debt, and homeless by May 1st.  So that's the story.  You heard it straight from the horse's mouth, since I know the rumor mill has other (mis)information...

Maybe Ivy is trying to find a new source of funding since she drained Bill.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 09, 2009, 11:50:32 AM
Wow, what a mess...
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: blackie on June 09, 2009, 11:51:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLIoI0G2PvU

[youtube=425,350]aLIoI0G2PvU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: fatcat on June 09, 2009, 11:54:04 AM
Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.

I edit the majority of my posts after the fact when I think of more shit to say, its not some conspiracy to make you look like an asshole.

I stand by my point that the kind of common ideas of leopard can't change its spots, once a [blank] always a [blank], are ostensibly illustrative, but fundamentally unhelpful and empty.

I can see that it looks like I'm misrepresenting your point, what you said was more complex and subtle than how i responded, but my intention was to rail against the common sense idea that people don't really change and that a few actions can be used to define an entire person.

I'm not just talking about cheating here, the same kind of belief is common place around criminals, liars, and pretty much any kind of infraction.

 I certainly don't write in a way that is endearing to friendly banter, but I don't see why you have to get so hostile with all the name calling shit, although your generally level headed so I guess I'm probably being more of an asshole than I'm aware of.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: Rebel on June 09, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
blackie, you're the best host ever. you know exactly what to post
I just try to feel sorry for people who are in rough shape. But the bottom line is, Ivy likes dick. You don't even have to say plz.

to be fair, she likes the other stuph too...


Are you suggesting that she's licking cat in jail?
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: John Shaw on June 09, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
Love how you keep editing your posts to soften them after I've responded, Fatcat.

I edit the majority of my posts after the fact when I think of more shit to say, its not some conspiracy to make you look like an asshole.

I stand by my point that the kind of common ideas of leopard can't change its spots, once a [blank] always a [blank], are ostensibly illustrative, but fundamentally unhelpful and empty.

I can see that it looks like I'm misrepresenting your point, what you said was more complex and subtle than how i responded, but my intention was to rail against the common sense idea that people don't really change and that a few actions can be used to define an entire person.

I'm not just talking about cheating here, the same kind of belief is common place around criminals, liars, and pretty much any kind of infraction.

 I certainly don't write in a way that is endearing to friendly banter, but I don't see why you have to get so hostile with all the name calling shit, although your generally level headed so I guess I'm probably being more of an asshole than I'm aware of.

Dude, you posted a response in less than one minute, referring to the last sentence in my post, without context, and then suggested I was getting my shit from a coaster in a bar.

And on top of that, we weren't talking about someone who cheated ONCE. We are talking about a specific person with a LONG ass history of fucking around.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: miamiballoonguy on June 09, 2009, 12:00:49 PM
What I think is funny is that the skankholio gets a pass.

She's damned good to be able to pull that off.


So, I think what we have here is what they used to call "The Classic"

Man cheats on wife with Woman X.

Man leaves wife for Woman X, a person that he KNOWS will involve herself in cheating.

Woman X cheats on man, but defends herself with "But I'M PREGNANT!"

Man is surprised, upset, and angry, BUT DOESN'T BLAME Woman X, or HIMSELF, for that matter, for being a sucker who probably gave up something better with someone better for what he has now by being a cheater himself.



LOL hormones. LOL delicate condition. LOL free will disappears under certain circumstances.

Protip- Cheaters fucking cheat, and you aren't the special one who can "change" them.

If they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you.

It's called beta male syndrome.  Other names for it are:  Pussywooped, One-i-tis, Cloversimp.  It doesn't matter if she cheated.  Only a fool would let that happen to him.  Especially with someone that has a reputation for doing these sorts of things. 
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: miamiballoonguy on June 09, 2009, 12:02:56 PM


Condoms are perfect and never break.



Condoms never break my ass!
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 09, 2009, 12:16:18 PM
LOL STUPID BILL.
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on June 09, 2009, 12:16:39 PM


Condoms are perfect and never break.



Condoms never break my ass!

that's because you're not using enough lube for it to go in
Title: Re: Drama in the Free State
Post by: BonerJoe on June 09, 2009, 12:22:59 PM