Unofficial History of Drama in the Free State

[John Shaw]

I know he doesn't condone pedophillia,

Of course he doesn't. I never suggested he did.

We're all cool!

Tell that to the people who have questioned my principals.

[Fred]

I know he doesn't condone pedophillia,

Of course he doesn't. I never suggested he did.

We're all cool!

Tell that to the people who have questioned my principals.

any of you fuckers that have even -thought- about questioning Shaw's principles,  well, you shouldn't!

[Fred]

I know he doesn't condone pedophillia,

Of course he doesn't. I never suggested he did.

We're all cool!

Tell that to the people who have questioned my principals.

any of you fuckers that have even -thought- about questioning Shaw's principles,  well, you shouldn't!  Just listen to his Rape audio - cool!  rape cages and shit?  he understands..

[Osborne]

However, I don't think that this is a gray area at all. This is a case by case scenario, surely, but it is totally black and white. A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.

You don't get to tell me what I can't do.  I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.

Children can do whatever they want. It is the adult's responsibility to at the very least not act in a manner that would cause harm to the child.

"No, I will not buy you a cart of Oreos."

"No, I will not give you my crack to smoke."

"No, I will not put my cock in your asshole."

"No, I will not let you juggle my chainsaws."

"No, I will not cover you in lighter fluid and set you on fire."


"Well, he really wanted it" is not an excuse for abusing children.

[alaric89]

My own experiences with child abuse are a bit second hand ish. I have been able to pass for a adult since I was 13 or so, so this could be the reason.
I knew a girl who was diddled by a uncle I think, to be fair she seemed fine as a adult.
My best Friend in high school had a brother who had inappropriate relations with his niece, everyone in the family rallied against him and he went to prison.
Lastly my Dad had a friend who committed suicide after being accused of fucking a classmate of mine who he was fostering for.  The kid would have been 15-16. I don't know if it was true or not. I do know the kid was trying to blackmail him.
My sister almost got her ass thrown to the curb when I said simply that there should be physical evidence before someone could be accused of being a pedo. She said the accusation was enough, even from vengeful ex-wives, and my calling her a evil fucking bitch did not change her opinion.
Having been married twice I do know woman can be unreasonable and crazy, especially young ones. I want to believe that Ian, JJ et all did the best they could out of a bad situation, and I do understand that hysterical women are no fun to deal with. However I agree fully with what I'll call the Shaw standards of what is OK and what is not. Kids are easily manipulated and taken advantage of, they shouldn't be fraternised by adults.
These are two separate arguments that got gummed together unfortunately.
I disagree with Ian's opinion about concent of a minor period. Not only for the child's protection but the pedophiles as well. The NAMBLA propaganda is bullshit.
People who disagree with me have every right to live there lives and they should be free to say what they think. No violation of the NAP, none of my business.
Thank you for being honest with me sir. I am glad you don't act on it. Kids, stay away from this guy.

Summer was unreasonable, I wish every body could see why she was so scared though, young mother with few friends who suddenly feels surround by enemies and all that. But I always forgive young people, I think they are dumbasses, who don't know how dumb they are. I also know dealing with hysterical woman gets old fast. I still wish one of the free staters would start some sort of arbitration firm so there would have been something Summer could have done.

[Fred]

wise

[hellbilly]

Thank you for being honest with me sir. I am glad you don't act on it. Kids, stay away from this guy.

There ya go. Simple.

[Fred]

meth...................AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAamphetamine.............................................

[sillyperson]

p3do getting boring.

New dllama please

[Cognitive Dissident]

p3do getting boring.

New dllama please

I couldn't penetrate the wall o' text, and was thankful to at least get Ian's summary.

[alaric89]

p3do getting boring.

New dllama please

I couldn't penetrate the wall o' text, and was thankful to at least get Ian's summary.

If I could wholesale delete a thread, it would be this one.

[Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith)]

p3do getting boring.

New dllama please

I couldn't penetrate the wall o' text, and was thankful to at least get Ian's summary.

If I could wholesale delete a thread, it would be this one.

Couldn't agree more.

Talk about a thread that destroys any interest in actually moving to NH and participating in any FSP activism there.

Honestly I do want to move to NH, but the more of this kind of shit I read the less I want to be associated at all with the FSP.  Unlike some other attention seekers, I DON'T want to be drawing tons of attention to myself; painting a giant target on my chest for the authorities to zero in on.  I just want to be more free.  And spending a month in jail is definitely not more free.  Getting harrassed by angry bureaucrats because they have associated me with their opposition does not make me more free.

I guess I'm more of a Denis Godard type of guy, than an Ian Bernard type of guy.  I still like the show and dig this forum though.

[AncapAgency]

Attention Fellow FSP Participants, Pre-Staters, Fellow-Travelers, Porcupines of all flavors, etc.

If you encounter a situation which is not immediately life threatening to yourself or others, and it is a situation in which you might otherwise have reported something or someone to the "authorities"--be it the Police, CPS, DEA, FBI, DHS, CIA, NSA, the Zoning Commission, the Planning Board, whatever; and you are unsure or concerned about what you should do, please do the following:
 

1) Stop, take a breath, and think.

2) Don't allow yourself to get pulled into an argument.

3) Do not immediately post it on FaceBook or other internet forum.

4) Call me (603.340.6654) or someone else in the Porcupine Community you know and trust, and present me (or them) with a brief sketch of the situation.

5) Discuss your options, get some perspective, and have all your "ducks in a row" as it were.

6) Then, and only then, decide on your course of action.

 
Again, this is in cases in which there is not immediate and life-threatening danger to you or someone else.

If there is a fire, call the Fire Department.  Yes, I know they're statist, but they're presently the only viable option.

If there is a medical emergency, call the ambulance/paramedics.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT CALL THE POLICE UNLESS THERE IS EFFECTIVELY NO OTHER OPTION TO PREVENT DEATH OR EXTREME INJURY!

Hopefully, Porcupine 911 will be established soon, and a lot of this stuff can be handled by live operators who can get you assistance.  Until that time, and in the absence of other individuals and/or services, I am available for emergencies 24/7--I don't sleep much, I'm not a partier, and I am trained and experienced at dealing with all manner of situations.  For example:

I am certified in Wilderness First Aid, CPR/AED, etc.

I am a 10 year veteran of the US Army.

I am a trained Mediator (that's Non-Coercive Conflict Resolution), and have been practicing for 8 years.

I have spent the past 5 years working with "at risk" children in NH.

I am trained in Criminal and Counter-Intelligence Investigation.

I am trained in Interviewing and Interrogation, and have studied Body Language and Micro-Expressions extensively.

I've been a firearms instructor for over 20 years.

I am a trained Counselor.

I've been involved in the Liberty Movement since 1996, I joined the FSP in 2003, and I moved to NH in 2006.

I deal well with emergencies, and have had enough of them in my life that very little phases me.

Therefore, chances are I can assist you, advise you, or direct you to someone within the community who can.  If I don't know someone within the community who can assist, chances are I know someone outside the community who can safely assist you.

Please at least consider this option before you get dragged into escalating drama, post stuff on FB, or call the Government Agents.  This will make sure that the FSP is not harmed by things unrelated to it's sole purpose (i.e. getting good pro-liberty folks to NH), and will also prevent the escalations and serious drama which seem to be cropping up as of late.  I suspect folks will be a lot happier all around, and I can promise you I'll do my very best to ensure your concerns are addressed to your satisfaction.

Initial consultations are free.  Matters discussed are confidential unless and until I tell you otherwise explicitly.

Mike Ruff
LFOD Services
603.340.6654
ancapagency@yahoo.com

[FTL_Ian]

You don't get to tell me what I can't do.  I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.

I didn't. As a matter of fact I specifically mentioned people of the same and near the same age in my last post. Also as a matter of fact, the post YOU JUST QUOTED.

Clearly I am confused.  Didn't you say this?

A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.

That's telling me what I can't do.  You are saying I couldn't do what I did, "properly".  I may not have been fully informed, but I did consent and you can't take that away from me. 

[FTL_Ian]

However, I don't think that this is a gray area at all. This is a case by case scenario, surely, but it is totally black and white. A prepube can't properly consent to a sexual act, even if they say "Yes" when wheedled/begged/convinced/intimidated/brainwashed into it.

You don't get to tell me what I can't do.  I consented at age six with another boy my age, and again at age 10-11ish with a 16 year old.

Children can do whatever they want. It is the adult's responsibility to at the very least not act in a manner that would cause harm to the child.

"No, I will not buy you a cart of Oreos."

"No, I will not give you my crack to smoke."

"No, I will not put my cock in your asshole."

"No, I will not let you juggle my chainsaws."

"No, I will not cover you in lighter fluid and set you on fire."


"Well, he really wanted it" is not an excuse for abusing children.

I gotcha.  Was the 16 year old an adult?  Did he harm me?  I feel fine.