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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3450 on: August 12, 2010, 09:58:44 AM »

The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible.
Keep telling yourself that.

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3451 on: August 12, 2010, 11:05:23 AM »


http://sentinelsource.com/articles/2010/08/11/columnists/gilbert/free/id_409269.txt

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As the founder of the Free State Project (which doesn't count for much!), I am as annoyed as you are at some of the childish antics of the Free Keeners. I don't see what any of this has to do with creating real solutions to social problems, solutions that respect individual rights and foster enterprise and creativity. When they could be working on important issues like school choice, tax reform, reforming civil asset forfeiture, and creating alternatives to occupational licensing, they're instead playing games with the police. Disappointing.

...and because the Free State Project is a cult of personality, this matters...

We all know he envisioned a political takeover.  All his "solutions" are changes to legislation.  While they may be beneficial, they're not solutions.

They obviously dont get the fact there are no leaders
That's just patently obvious B.S.

Ian, Russ, Sam are all clearly "leaders" in the group. They don't seem to be the type to accept responsibility for leadership, which is a different story...

Wow--the closet statist strikes again.  Perhaps they are "leaders" by example, but not by hierarchy, which is typically what you statists look for.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3452 on: August 12, 2010, 04:43:12 PM »

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3453 on: August 12, 2010, 07:29:46 PM »


What group is that?
 The freedom movement has individuals moving toward a common goal.
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The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible. They fail to see that mutual cooperation is happening rather than someone using force to make other people do their bidding. Influence is different to force in many different ways - Using persuasion rather than threats is unknown and foreign to the state.

Hierarchy is part of human nature. 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423121430.htm
http://culturalneuro.psych.northwestern.edu/NYAS2009.pdf

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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3454 on: August 12, 2010, 07:44:41 PM »


What group is that?
 The freedom movement has individuals moving toward a common goal.
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The beuraucrats are stuck in the mindset that there must be a heirarchical system at work because to them any other system is impossible. They fail to see that mutual cooperation is happening rather than someone using force to make other people do their bidding. Influence is different to force in many different ways - Using persuasion rather than threats is unknown and foreign to the state.

Hierarchy is part of human nature. 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423121430.htm
http://culturalneuro.psych.northwestern.edu/NYAS2009.pdf



I'm not against heirarchys. At work we cooks form a heirarchy based on skill and experience that is generally agreed upon. Involuntary or unnaturally forced hierarchies are a problem though.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3455 on: August 13, 2010, 04:19:25 PM »

Chalk is baaaad:

http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=3770.0

Chalk isn't bad.  At the same time, chalking a monument that is clearly treasured by some in the community isn't cool.  Chalking a cannon and a trash can seems out of place to.  And then there is the question of the actual message chalked, which wasn't exactly amazing.  I was down there last night, to discourage horrible chalking if needed.  Thankfully, no one wanted to chalk.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2010, 05:08:56 PM by HR Puff and Stuph »
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3456 on: August 13, 2010, 04:59:23 PM »

The chalkers hurt no one. The people who want to punish those that did the graffiti want to and will cause harm. What if the authorities did the chalking it to cause trouble and sympathy? Fuck those that care so much for a war monument.
They hate people who disrespect stuff, I hate people who attack the harmless.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3457 on: August 13, 2010, 05:10:30 PM »

Fuck those that care so much for a war monument.

Exactly, fuck everyone and their opinion.  What do you propose, killing them all?  should they be deported?  Should their houses be burned?  Good luck taking over.  That kinda of crap doesn't fly in small New England towns/cities.  NH isn't LA or NYC.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3458 on: August 13, 2010, 05:16:23 PM »

Are you willing to hurt someone over temporarily marking something? Protesting or complaining is fine but not hunting the perps down and hurting them.
I am willing to protect people if I can. Useless decorations not so much.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3459 on: August 13, 2010, 07:13:23 PM »

The chalkers hurt no one. The people who want to punish those that did the graffiti want to and will cause harm. What if the authorities did the chalking it to cause trouble and sympathy? Fuck those that care so much for a war monument.
They hate people who disrespect stuff, I hate people who attack the harmless.

or it could have been asshole punks who simply don't care about what the rest of the community thinks
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3460 on: August 13, 2010, 07:22:59 PM »

They wouldn't have used chalk.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3461 on: August 13, 2010, 09:43:32 PM »

This reminds me of a thing that happened years ago in Sydney which became legendary.

http://www.greenplanet.com.au/eternity/eternity.htm

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THE STORY OF ARTHUR STACE
He started early, usually before dawn ,and he wandered through all the streets of sydney.Every morning he was somewhere else, Wynyard, Glebe, Paddington, Randwick, Central Station.As he said - where God directed him. Every night the message appeared in his head. He was a very little man, bent, grey-haired, only five feet three inches tall and just seven stone. He looked frail enough to blow away.Then with the formality of another generation he always wore a grey felt hat, tie and prim double-breasted navey blue suit. Sometimes in the dawn light he would be seen around Wynyard Station..He would nod to the drunks still left on the pavement and he would look at the debris of the affluent society stretched out on the park benches, trying to keep warm under newspapers.If he detected any movement there would be a pat on the head or a warm greeting. He had the air of a man who understood.

As he walked every so often he would stop, pull out a crayon, bend down and write on the pavement in large, elegant copperplate - ETERNITY. He would move on a hundred yards then write it again, ETERNITY, nothing more, just one simple word. For thirty-seven years he chalked this one-word sermon and he wrote more than half a million times.

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The City Council had a rule against defaceing the pavement and the police "very nearly arrested" him twenty-four times. "But I had permission from a higher source", he said.

The problem is not the chalk it is that they do not give you permission to use the chalk - Terror Australis
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3462 on: August 13, 2010, 10:26:14 PM »

They wouldn't have used chalk.

You really have no reason to be sure it was the "authorities" though when the Keeners have shown themselves to be kind of... assholish and punkish... in nearly everything.
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3463 on: August 14, 2010, 12:21:46 AM »

They wouldn't have used chalk.

You really have no reason to be sure it was the "authorities" though when the Keeners have shown themselves to be kind of... assholish and punkish... in nearly everything.

Stranger things have happened to give "them" an excuse to enact police state laws.....
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Re: Drama in the Free State
« Reply #3464 on: August 18, 2010, 02:49:01 PM »

they can have an opinion.  They can't use force on people to get their favorite behaviors followed by others.
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