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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2010, 02:56:38 PM »

Nope.  :) I don't mind though. The NAP was indeed a part of Galts philosophy so it isn't a thread jack. I always thought of this thread as place for folks who felt about to lose it after seeing disgusting shit happening. To be honest I have a pretty nasty temper, so that is why I keep coming back, I find the old posts comforting and I feel less alone. We are so afraid of Feds the rest of the BBS sounds Amish sometimes. Whats really cool is as adrenaline fueled as the thread is I have yet to see any real toughguy bullshit.
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2010, 10:57:04 PM »

Tell me, did John Galt initiate violence against the people in Atlas Shrugged? No, he just stopped participating.

In this regard, the difference between John Galt and Howard Roark is interesting.  Then again, they're just works of fiction, not historical examples.

Speaking of which, and interesting thing about Ireland is they've been through that phase, which may make them profoundly sensitive to it.
Howard Roark was merely enforcing a contract. He told Peter Keating that his property could only be used if no additional changes were made. Keating broke the contract, and Roark took his property back. Galt never had any such grounds, and thus did not initiate force inappropriately. Even being works of fiction, they are meant as philosophical examples, which is the context I was using them in.

Continuously deciding on a new home for freedom simply means that eventually you will be penned in with no home to make a stand in. Running from Colorado to NH to Ireland to New Zealand is severely deconcentrating any efforts at liberty.

Yeah New Hampshire is probably the best option if you are in the States however Aussies dont need government permission to move to NZ. Its probably more a solution for me personally if Aus became as bad a police state as the US.

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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2010, 12:36:16 AM »

Tell me, did John Galt initiate violence against the people in Atlas Shrugged? No, he just stopped participating.

In this regard, the difference between John Galt and Howard Roark is interesting.  Then again, they're just works of fiction, not historical examples.

Speaking of which, and interesting thing about Ireland is they've been through that phase, which may make them profoundly sensitive to it.

These are all very good points, and my original statement about moving is obviously unfounded at this point.
Howard Roark was merely enforcing a contract. He told Peter Keating that his property could only be used if no additional changes were made. Keating broke the contract, and Roark took his property back. Galt never had any such grounds, and thus did not initiate force inappropriately. Even being works of fiction, they are meant as philosophical examples, which is the context I was using them in.

Continuously deciding on a new home for freedom simply means that eventually you will be penned in with no home to make a stand in. Running from Colorado to NH to Ireland to New Zealand is severely deconcentrating any efforts at liberty.

Yeah New Hampshire is probably the best option if you are in the States however Aussies dont need government permission to move to NZ. Its probably more a solution for me personally if Aus became as bad a police state as the US.


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« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2010, 07:45:48 AM »

Sorry to bother you again, thread.
By the way, the reason for the account change was the boards new "bouncer" showed me the door when I defended a "troll". You know I had to use it.
Oh well, the troll they were after looks like he was just a young dumbass like I said, kind of a interesting poster actually. whoopee.
But anyway, the reason I am reporting back for another read, I just listened to the podcast on FTL (9-23-2010). Anyway a bail bondsmen sent a bounty hunter for Mama Ally, who had escaped to NH after her beating. Ian and Mark defended the bail bondsman and the bounty hunter by explaining what they did for a living and how well they treated Mama Ally.
I look at these types of mercenaries as something actually more sinister then the actual statist enforcers. They use the tragedy of others to make a living, they have permission to be more violent then most, and they use the free market against people..... They are payed by others to initiate force.
Anyway, we are hoping that Mama Ally doesn't have to do to much time. For filming cops.
PS in other news the prostitute I mentioned in the last "check in" is still dead. I hope Mama Ally plays nice in jail.

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« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2010, 08:08:49 AM »

She should probably get hold of the ACLU just to see if they will take her case against these douches. Sometimes they do, sometimes they dont but its worth a try and doesnt cost anything.
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« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2010, 12:32:27 PM »

Sorry to bother you again, thread.
By the way, the reason for the account change was the boards new "bouncer" showed me the door when I defended a "troll". You know I had to use it.
Oh well, the troll they were after looks like he was just a young dumbass like I said, kind of a interesting poster actually. whoopee.
But anyway, the reason I am reporting back for another read, I just listened to the podcast on FTL (9-23-2010). Anyway a bail bondsmen sent a bounty hunter for Mama Ally, who had escaped to NH after her beating. Ian and Mark defended the bail bondsman and the bounty hunter by explaining what they did for a living and how well they treated Mama Ally.
I look at these types of mercenaries as something actually more sinister then the actual statist enforcers. They use the tragedy of others to make a living, they have permission to be more violent then most, and they use the free market against people..... They are payed by others to initiate force.
Anyway, we are hoping that Mama Ally doesn't have to do to much time. For filming cops.
PS in other news the prostitute I mentioned in the last "check in" is still dead. I hope Mama Ally plays nice in jail.


Wont she have to do more time since they had to go all the way to Keene to nab her?
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« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2010, 01:19:40 PM »

If her whole story hits the mainstream, this could be bad. I am not sure how deep this rabbit hole will go. Rebellious types have been set up by law enforcement to hang themselves before. (Ruby Ridge)
It could all just be a snafu that blows over but my spider sense is tingling.

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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2010, 02:10:41 PM »

She won't do time for filming cops, she'll do it for violating her bond.
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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2010, 02:17:42 PM »

Sorry to bother you again, thread.
By the way, the reason for the account change was the boards new "bouncer" showed me the door when I defended a "troll". You know I had to use it.
Oh well, the troll they were after looks like he was just a young dumbass like I said, kind of a interesting poster actually. whoopee.
But anyway, the reason I am reporting back for another read, I just listened to the podcast on FTL (9-23-2010). Anyway a bail bondsmen sent a bounty hunter for Mama Ally, who had escaped to NH after her beating. Ian and Mark defended the bail bondsman and the bounty hunter by explaining what they did for a living and how well they treated Mama Ally.
I look at these types of mercenaries as something actually more sinister then the actual statist enforcers. They use the tragedy of others to make a living, they have permission to be more violent then most, and they use the free market against people..... They are payed by others to initiate force.
Anyway, we are hoping that Mama Ally doesn't have to do to much time. For filming cops.
PS in other news the prostitute I mentioned in the last "check in" is still dead. I hope Mama Ally plays nice in jail.


Remember, in a completely stateless society these people would still be around, but packing more lethal heat.
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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2010, 02:24:22 PM »

She won't do time for filming cops, she'll do it for violating her bond.

Thats what I was referring to, she basically screwed herself over more by jumping states.
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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2010, 02:25:19 PM »

Sorry to bother you again, thread.
By the way, the reason for the account change was the boards new "bouncer" showed me the door when I defended a "troll". You know I had to use it.
Oh well, the troll they were after looks like he was just a young dumbass like I said, kind of a interesting poster actually. whoopee.
But anyway, the reason I am reporting back for another read, I just listened to the podcast on FTL (9-23-2010). Anyway a bail bondsmen sent a bounty hunter for Mama Ally, who had escaped to NH after her beating. Ian and Mark defended the bail bondsman and the bounty hunter by explaining what they did for a living and how well they treated Mama Ally.
I look at these types of mercenaries as something actually more sinister then the actual statist enforcers. They use the tragedy of others to make a living, they have permission to be more violent then most, and they use the free market against people..... They are payed by others to initiate force.
Anyway, we are hoping that Mama Ally doesn't have to do to much time. For filming cops.
PS in other news the prostitute I mentioned in the last "check in" is still dead. I hope Mama Ally plays nice in jail.


Remember, in a completely stateless society these people would still be around, but packing more lethal heat.

And so will everybody else. I am a nice guy, nice guys do well where everyone is just as tough. I don't like it where only the most militaristic assholes have the heat, like it is now.

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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2010, 02:39:32 PM »

She won't do time for filming cops, she'll do it for violating her bond.

Thats what I was referring to, she basically screwed herself over more by jumping states.

Yes. A person who has been a annoyance to bureaucrats and is on record as being stupid in a stress situation jumped states. And now they can extort all sorts of information out of her. I don't think the filming was set up, I think the jumping bail was. Statist enforcers are talented opportunist.

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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2010, 02:46:50 PM »

I have hope future generations may realize violence itself is an evil act. Not many people nowadays would accept the existence of involuntary slavery, just like I hope future generations don't accept harm in any form. The only problem is that violence is so damn effective.
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« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2010, 02:57:25 PM »

I have hope future generations may realize violence itself is an evil act. Not many people nowadays would accept the existence of involuntary slavery, just like I hope future generations don't accept harm in any form. The only problem is that violence is so damn effective.

Initiating violence is already known to be a evil act. You are a slave right now, and your principles, as admirable as they may be, will make sure you remain one. Would you be so kind as to go through this Youtube channel? It will really bring you up to speed.
http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot

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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2010, 03:01:05 PM »

I have hope future generations may realize violence itself is an evil act. Not many people nowadays would accept the existence of involuntary slavery, just like I hope future generations don't accept harm in any form. The only problem is that violence is so damn effective.

Initiating violence is already known to be a evil act. You are a slave right now, and your principles, as admirable as they may be, will make sure you remain one. Would you be so kind as to go through this Youtube channel? It will really bring you up to speed.
http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot

I've watched Molyneux for a while, even sent him an email on the topic a while back. And I didn't include our present slavery in my point since most people don't consider statism to be slavery.
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