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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2010, 12:29:21 PM »

So many news reports about blatantly corrupt statist lately I just came here to make myself feel a little better. Read the thread again.
Actually works for me, My little venting thread. But about those articles, that fucking IRS commercial and those woman finding those dirty cops (None who went to jail I note) I would like to say in the intellectual method that it deserves, how I feel about it.
FUCK!!!! Goddammit son of a mutherfucking bitch. SHIT SHIT SHIT.
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« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2010, 12:32:23 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2010, 02:32:45 PM »

Hello thread.
Had to check back in again.
Hope someone can add something.
Assholes beat up Mama Alley. I want their statist heads on a fucking pike.
Some prison guards baked a old prostitute to death, enablers let the guards off.
I hope the cops start policing themselves better. Before its too late.
I never thought the United States would become a police state, and I certainly never thought that people would except it.
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« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2010, 02:54:44 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2010, 04:02:03 AM »

 How long untill this behaviour radicalises some segments of the US population? It is becoming clear that the population is living under a form of occupation by an illegal force. When they do these acts in other countries it produces "terrorists". Is it being done on purpose to give an excuse for even more bad behaviour and justify the miltary-police state?

 How long untill a guerilla force starts fighting back with tactics used by freedom fighters in other countries? At what stage is sabotage and monkey wrenching a valid tactic? How long untill cop cars get sugar in the gas tanks or gas/phone/water connected to government offices gets mysteriously damaged after someone gets tased or killed ?
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« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2010, 04:33:44 AM »

Excellent questions. We have to start fighting back, FSP or seas teading. Or just except our fate. But lets be clear we are past any excuses to do nothing.
I didn't like Ian and Marks reaction when Mama Ally was so hysterical, we need something better than "so, so, that's just the way it is..."
Any suggestions on a good way to make someone, who has been through this sort of thing, feel better?
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« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2010, 07:13:29 AM »

Excellent questions. We have to start fighting back, FSP or seas teading. Or just except our fate. But lets be clear we are past any excuses to do nothing.
I didn't like Ian and Marks reaction when Mama Ally was so hysterical, we need something better than "so, so, that's just the way it is..."
Any suggestions on a good way to make someone, who has been through this sort of thing, feel better?

I think it past doing anything except leaving. Sorry I know that is not easy to hear. New Zealand sounds good. If things got bad enough in Aus I would move there.
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« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2010, 10:06:54 AM »

Excellent questions. We have to start fighting back, FSP or seas teading. Or just except our fate. But lets be clear we are past any excuses to do nothing.
I didn't like Ian and Marks reaction when Mama Ally was so hysterical, we need something better than "so, so, that's just the way it is..."
Any suggestions on a good way to make someone, who has been through this sort of thing, feel better?

I think it past doing anything except leaving. Sorry I know that is not easy to hear. New Zealand sounds good. If things got bad enough in Aus I would move there.

When I think of another state, Ireland comes to mind...but I have trouble embracing the idea of leaving a state for another state--especially from Colorado, where you do fairly well by just staying out of the Denver-Boulder corridor and the I-70 corridor.

With regard to helping someone with a crisis of state bullying, maybe only recollecting cases where someone was able to do something positive can help.  In extreme cases, such as the cops who whaled on Rodney King, the public will respond.  Perhaps it would help to work toward getting the camera footage from the gas station where Momma was beat down before the thugs do.  It may help provide hope.
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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2010, 10:17:06 AM »

The public response to the verdict of the  "Rodney King trial".....hmmmm see, NOW we are on the same page.
There was a time when I saw that as a bad thing.
Probably not something that could be done on the radio, but I recommend just being totally supportive and in agreement with the victim til they calm down. That way, they don't feel let down or alone.
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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2010, 10:19:49 AM »

Actually, I was referring to the cops getting tried for violating his civil rights, not the violence, but in a way you're right--they got off, and there was a violent response.  Still, I'm not advocating the violence, and I want that to be clear.

Also, there were famous victims of that violence, such as the Korean community, whose only offense seemed to be free enterprise.
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« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2010, 11:05:29 AM »

War and a government crackdown would cause much pain and misery for everyone for many years. Guerrilla operations are a bad idea. Overt violence of any kind at this stage is a bad idea. What you can do is remove yourself from that society, and join the FSP. At least there, with time, the concentration of liberty loving people is far more powerful than spread throughout the world. Tell me, did John Galt initiate violence against the people in Atlas Shrugged? No, he just stopped participating.
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« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2010, 11:36:01 AM »

Tell me, did John Galt initiate violence against the people in Atlas Shrugged? No, he just stopped participating.

In this regard, the difference between John Galt and Howard Roark is interesting.  Then again, they're just works of fiction, not historical examples.

Speaking of which, and interesting thing about Ireland is they've been through that phase, which may make them profoundly sensitive to it.
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« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2010, 11:53:09 AM »

Tell me, did John Galt initiate violence against the people in Atlas Shrugged? No, he just stopped participating.

In this regard, the difference between John Galt and Howard Roark is interesting.  Then again, they're just works of fiction, not historical examples.

Speaking of which, and interesting thing about Ireland is they've been through that phase, which may make them profoundly sensitive to it.
Howard Roark was merely enforcing a contract. He told Peter Keating that his property could only be used if no additional changes were made. Keating broke the contract, and Roark took his property back. Galt never had any such grounds, and thus did not initiate force inappropriately. Even being works of fiction, they are meant as philosophical examples, which is the context I was using them in.

Continuously deciding on a new home for freedom simply means that eventually you will be penned in with no home to make a stand in. Running from Colorado to NH to Ireland to New Zealand is severely deconcentrating any efforts at liberty.
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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2010, 12:10:15 PM »

Tell me, did John Galt initiate violence against the people in Atlas Shrugged? No, he just stopped participating.

In this regard, the difference between John Galt and Howard Roark is interesting.  Then again, they're just works of fiction, not historical examples.

Speaking of which, and interesting thing about Ireland is they've been through that phase, which may make them profoundly sensitive to it.
Howard Roark was merely enforcing a contract. He told Peter Keating that his property could only be used if no additional changes were made. Keating broke the contract, and Roark took his property back. Galt never had any such grounds, and thus did not initiate force inappropriately. Even being works of fiction, they are meant as philosophical examples, which is the context I was using them in.

Continuously deciding on a new home for freedom simply means that eventually you will be penned in with no home to make a stand in. Running from Colorado to NH to Ireland to New Zealand is severely deconcentrating any efforts at liberty.

That's not all he was doing.  He also resorted to violence, whether moral or immoral, which seems to be the distinction in this thread.  Roark did not take his property back.  He destroyed the property, not the contract which was violated.  (Added this after posting ->) By the way, the idea that his ideas were property is controversial.  If you want to say the contract was his joint property with Keating, that's a different thing, and that's where the remedy should have been applied.

I never advocated running from Colorado to NH to Ireland to New Zealand, and it's not obvious that would be deconcentrating to liberty anyway.  It's hard enough to decide to move to NH, which has been argued as a concentration of liberty.  The point was, once again, this thread.  If one considered relocating, one might consider relocating to a culture where they understand the effects of violence--particularly in revolt.  I would suspect most people there would indicate that the effects of violence are "not good."
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2010, 12:20:32 PM »

Know what I think?

I think EVERYONE on here is a fed, and youre all trying to sucker me into talking violence against the state. Nice try, but I aint biting.

I do however feel priveledged to know that all these people on here went through all this trouble, posting threads for years and years, acting like "normal" people (cept for you richard) to set up such an elaborate scheme, just for little ol' me.

I feel special again :D
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