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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #120 on: January 17, 2011, 02:39:52 PM »

This quote by Lysander Spooner sums up exactly why a stateless society usually doesnt last long. My answer? Hold onto it as long as you can before another overbearing government sprouts up out of nothing and forces its will on everyone. Its an endless cycle.

"The strong are always free by virtue of their superior strength. So long as government is a mere contest as to which of two parties shall rule the other, the weaker must always succumb. And whether the contest be carried on with ballots or bullets, the principle is the same; for under the theory of government now prevailing, the ballot either signifies a bullet, or it signifies nothing. And no one can consistently use a ballot, unless he intends to use a bullet, if the latter should be needed to insure submission to the former."
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #121 on: January 17, 2011, 03:57:09 PM »

What would you suggest then, Dio?

Minarchy, and the culture to preserve it.
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #122 on: January 17, 2011, 05:31:19 PM »

Agreed.
I think the secret may be heavy handed checks and balances, a constitution that every person has a duty to enforce. None of that bureaucrats,civil servants, and politicians being superior crap. IE, if cops are tazing Old women in front of witnesses, citizens can ruin cop's day with no retribution.
I do think Anarchy would be possible if a generation or two was educated to except it.
I guess a flat tax of income say 8% with a "Even try and raise this, you die." clause would be the only way to support it. *

*Satan was said to take 10% so it has to be less. Taxes would be voluntary. Only Tax payers could vote, have to be tax payer for ten years before running for office. No pention for people who work in the public sector and voter stipulated salaries.
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #123 on: January 17, 2011, 08:27:22 PM »

I post it because I am pro-freedom. You are not.

I have challenged your pessimism, and you insult me.

I have asked you to be precise, and you insult me.

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You want to enable some jerk to goosestep into our lives and tell us what to do

If you would, please, point to where I have stated such a desire?

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You're just like a Bolshevik in thinking that if you want something badly enough, human nature will conform to let your vision happen.

In direct contradiction to your insulting projection, what I assert is that competition works. Existing human nature has the pervasive aspects of "disutility of labor", that people do not want to work, and self-interest. Laziness and greed, in the common vernacular.

Only a free market environment prospers because of these aspects of human nature. The greedy must satisfy other's wants in order to make a profit, and the better they satisfy those wants, cheaply, efficiently, easily, the greater their profits.

Within any institution with the power of "legitimate" coercion, such basic human drives become incentives to the very abuses of government that humans have been dealing with for millennia. No matter how limited such an institution may be when instituted, such as the US Constitution, it will grow into leviathan because it always has.

My rejection of the necessity of any institution with the monopoly on coercion is a recognition of the basic motivations of human beings, and the environment where those motivations become beneficial rather than destructive.

Thus, competition in everything including private insurance. That's all the "protection agencies" are, insurance companies that do not have government courts and police to do the dirty work.

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People will not change in basic ways to give you your political goal, and the history of communism should have shown you that.

Indeed history did. Which is why I find your projections insulting, and your clinging to minarchy to be justifiable by your having the very motivations you are projecting falsely to me.

Seriously, why do you think minarchy is going to work this time? Do you think it hasn't been tried? Maybe if it is implemented by the right people this time? (the same assertion made, in case you don't recognize it, about socialism by socialists)

Minarchy, and the culture to preserve it.

The culture able to preserve it doesn't need it.
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-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #124 on: January 18, 2011, 09:27:38 AM »

Linux sucks.
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2011, 09:40:04 AM »

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdxh-KaSBSg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

At first I thought I might have to rub one out when I watched this video. On the second viewing, just as I was about to splooge, I noticed the hoodlums beat the crap out of the officer who had tried to stop the brutal cop with the nightstick. The brutal fuck ran off pretty much scott free. I feel a little sick.*

*The word splooge is not on the spell check apologies if I spelled it wrong

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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2011, 09:58:25 AM »

No, that is the correct spelling of splooge.

I would suggest swiping a good, free video editing program off a torrent site, use it to copy the bad cops face over the good cops face, rewind the video and re-splooge to your hearts content. Doesn't really change anything about what happened there, but it will make you feel better.

This video is just more proof of how much more sheep-like americans are compared to many other countries. You would NEVER see something like this at a US sporting event. We rarely get involved, always respect "authoritah!"  Granted, these people screwed up and got the wrong guy and it also shows what can happen when using vigilante justice, but it also shows that the only way they can screw with people is if we let them. Who knows, maybe the cop that got his ass kicked will piss in the other cops coffee or beat the crap out of him. One can only hope.

Im kinda torn about this video. :?
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2011, 09:59:19 AM »

Tried to stop? His actions would have merit if he took his own stick out and beat the other cop on the head.
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2011, 10:04:00 AM »

Tried to stop? His actions would have merit if he took his own stick out and beat the other cop on the head.

True, but dont we start getting into that grey area of holding one person accountable for another persons actions?

My heads starting to hurt. Actually having to think and shit. :shock:
« Last Edit: February 01, 2011, 10:06:40 AM by quickmike »
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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2011, 12:55:03 PM »

Tried to stop? His actions would have merit if he took his own stick out and beat the other cop on the head.
I can only judge a man from my POV and I think He (the older cop) acted exactly as I would have, IE I would have pushed the stick away. I would have curled up during the beatdown though. That young jackass will probably have hell to pay from his peers, I think quickmike is right about that.

Why isn't splooge in the spelling checker?
is jizz?.....nope.

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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #130 on: February 25, 2011, 09:32:10 AM »

Hello thread, check this out.
http://traffic.libsyn.com/ftl/FTL2011-02-24.mp3
Dumb to link to FTL perhaps. Thought I would anyway. In this show the boys make a great argument for civil disobedience and peaceful protest.
To argue more the irony of the thread though. I was pissed when I found out some police had tricked a 10 year old boy into jail.
My line in the sand has always been kids. I believe no one could argue that the state isn't evil when they go after children. They arrested the kid at home, cuffed him, booked him, frightened him and his poor parents into a plea bargain....over a drawing. I would love to see the arresting officers have a comeuppance, but I will admit the peaceful solution may be the better one.

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Re: Don't initiate violence?
« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2011, 05:47:57 AM »

And the cops kill another one.....
http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-swat-team-defends-shooting-iraq-marine-veteran/story?id=13640112
Keep watching the videos and the news later blames reality TV for the violence of the police when they killed a little girl. She was black, where the fuck are Jessee Jackson and that ilk when this sort of shit goes down?
Here's another article. She was beautiful.
http://articles.CNN.com/2010-05-16/justice/Michigan.police.child_1_?_s=PM:CRIME
Well thread since last we communicated a state supreme court decided the police have no practical need for a search warrent and another court decided no one can defend themselves from someone claiming to be a cop.
Lastely the secret service is cracking down on anyone who says anything questionable about our president.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIKeGp71jag&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
I guess this is the second coming no one got raptured we are all in Hell.
The only good news is we all get to take care of our own pets, if the cops don't shoot the little fucker.

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« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2011, 01:55:53 PM »

One more thing. I am starting to wonder if all this filming is really helping anything. These cops seem to try and see how much they can do before someone stops them. Gangs do not feel shame and empathy when they get away with shit and are rewarded for it. The Rodney King incident was a riot over a  hell of a lot less of a crime then what cops are doing these days. My blood boils when I see the show "Cops" but the befuddled sheep see it as entertainment. Can they even see the message we are screaming or do they just think "those cops are badass!" when they see a old lady being tazed or a little girl getting her head blowed off in a drug raid?
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« Reply #133 on: June 18, 2011, 05:48:26 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7u91A3KGQ&feature=feedu
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7u91A3KGQ&feature=feedu[/youtube]
This video will piss you off. Viewer discretion is advised.

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« Reply #134 on: June 23, 2011, 06:21:41 PM »

One more thing. I am starting to wonder if all this filming is really helping anything. These cops seem to try and see how much they can do before someone stops them. Gangs do not feel shame and empathy when they get away with shit and are rewarded for it. The Rodney King incident was a riot over a  hell of a lot less of a crime then what cops are doing these days. My blood boils when I see the show "Cops" but the befuddled sheep see it as entertainment. Can they even see the message we are screaming or do they just think "those cops are badass!" when they see a old lady being tazed or a little girl getting her head blowed off in a drug raid?
 :(


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