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Title: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 11, 2010, 02:55:18 PM

Listening to Sat nights show with all the views expressed by the hosts.  It would seem that they should be in full on support of NAMBLA.

Way to keep the Libertarian Party under a rock.

I think the hosts of the Show must work for Fox News on the sly....  and do the two hour show just to keep the Libertarian concept on the fringe.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 11, 2010, 03:11:22 PM

WAT

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 11, 2010, 03:15:43 PM

Dont you mean WTF?

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: anarchir on January 11, 2010, 03:40:04 PM

No, WAT as in "R U OUTTA UR MIND?".

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 11, 2010, 03:52:59 PM

I need to get an upgrade to my Blogging Lingo.

Is there a Blogging to ex-jock conversion table somewhere?

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 11, 2010, 03:57:16 PM

Feel free to 'splain your comments any time.  It'll be some time before I get to Saturday's podcast.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 11, 2010, 04:06:36 PM

Genuine Anarcho-Capitalists support very strong Parents Rights over their children / dependents, as well as the children's Right to Life and Right to Emancipation (http://www.google.com/search?q="Right+to+Emancipation"+site%3Abbs.freetalklive.com).  So a NAMBLA sicko would have to get permission from the parents as well as the child, which is why all NAMBLA members are not libertarians but instead some variety of socialists in hope that Mommy Government will subvert the rights of the parents in their favor.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Osborne on January 11, 2010, 04:29:32 PM

There's a big difference between supporting a behavior and not supporting a coercive monopoly agency that steals money from innocent people to pay armed goons to shoot people for that behavior.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Rillion on January 11, 2010, 04:53:09 PM

Quote from: Osborne on January 11, 2010, 04:29:32 PM

There's a big difference between supporting a behavior and not supporting a coercive monopoly agency that steals money from innocent people to pay armed goons to shoot people for that behavior.

Well put.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 11, 2010, 04:57:15 PM

Alex,

This type of argument is what pissed me off from Sat nights show and some of the asinine arguments which were made.

So if the parents of a child were in favor of a 10 year old kid having sex with a 50 year old man and the kid was 100% cool with it....then everything is OK according to the hosts.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 11, 2010, 05:16:24 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 04:57:15 PM

Alex,

This type of argument is what pissed me off from Sat nights show and some of the asinine arguments which were made.

So if the parents of a child were in favor of a 10 year old kid having sex with a 50 year old man and the kid was 100% cool with it....then everything is OK according to the hosts.

Umm...yeah.  Who put you in charge of deciding there's a victim if the "victim" and the parents of the "victim" don't think there's a victim?  That's one of the things that's most screwed up about most states today, is that they decide if there's a "victim," not the alleged victim.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

I have a ten year old kid who still believes in Santa claus

Childrens minds are not the same as adults, they can be victimized and not even know it.

Lets say I have tattoos all over my face and so does my wife.  My kids see how happy we are...and wants to have tattoos all over his face at 10 years old...

You have now limited this kids potential in life because of the twisted thoughts of a ten year old and parents who lack of sight.

So in this case a law is not a bad idea......and to my main point to use this argument is just setting back Libertarian causes.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Osborne on January 11, 2010, 05:35:47 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

I have a ten year old kid who still believes in Santa claus

You, sir, are a sick bastard. That child needs to be rescued from your twisted indoctrination.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 11, 2010, 05:40:39 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

I have a ten year old kid who still believes in Santa claus

Irrelevant.

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Childrens minds are not the same as adults, they can be victimized and not even know it.

That's why the parents get to decide until the child is competent.

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Lets say I have tattoos all over my face and so does my wife.  My kids see how happy we are...and wants to have tattoos all over his face at 10 years old...

Again, parents decide, not you.

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You have now limited this kids potential in life because of the twisted thoughts of a ten year old and parents who lack of sight.

I have done nothing.  You have violated their rights.

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So in this case a law is not a bad idea......and to my main point to use this argument is just setting back Libertarian causes.

Basic principles--liberty requires allowing your neighbor to have his liberty.  Your fascism sets back "libertarian causes," liberty does not.

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Edit: "not liberty" --> "liberty does not"

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: davann on January 11, 2010, 05:47:00 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

I have a ten year old kid who still believes in Santa claus

Wow, that is fucked up.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Ecolitan on January 11, 2010, 05:54:29 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

I have a ten year old kid who still believes in Santa claus

In my world that's worst than a ten year old kid who gives blow jobs.  You are a BAD parent.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: davann on January 11, 2010, 05:59:33 PM

Quote from: Ecolitan on January 11, 2010, 05:54:29 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

I have a ten year old kid who still believes in Santa claus

In my world that's worst than a ten year old kid who gives blow jobs.  You are a BAD parent.

There really ought to be a law. That is sick. Some serious parenting fail.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Brooklyn Red Leg on January 11, 2010, 10:17:45 PM

Quote from: davann on January 11, 2010, 05:47:00 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

I have a ten year old kid who still believes in Santa claus

Wow, that is fucked up.

Indeedy. I'm of the opinion that a parent is only a Temporary Regent of their offspring and once they reach the age of 13, they have reached their Majority and can make their own decisions. That includes being able to have sex.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 11, 2010, 10:47:32 PM

Brooklland,

So 13  is the age?

Where did this arbitrary number come into play...

You better watch what you say on this board or you will be labeled as a bad parent.

What happens if your child (not that you have one) is 10 and wants to challenge your views on the age of majority?


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Really guys, having a child hold a belief out that there is a santa claus is a bad thing?

Is it any different than other beliefs which will never happen.......Like a Libertarian President

The problem with you Extreme Libertarians is that you want to fight every single battle at the same time.  If you are always having to defend your positions against some stupid ass NAMBLA question what hopes do you ever have of being main stream?  Or at least getting some of the Agenda passed....Less Government, More Freedom, less taxes.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 11, 2010, 10:59:35 PM

There is no such thing as an extreme libertarian.  The people you are debasing are principled libertarians.  Just because a bunch of ex-Republicans take over the Libertarian party and try to redefine libertarian, doesn't mean principled libertarians became "extreme."

Until you learn what principles are and why they're important, you'll remain just as much an intellectual serf as you are physically a serf.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: anarchir on January 11, 2010, 11:01:34 PM

If I ever had kids (which I do not plan on at all) I would teach them about Santa and God(s), but I would at the exact same time tell them how they are just stories and not real at all. If I didn't teach them about these things they would face some trouble dealing with the fact that many other people worship these characters.  I know they are fairy tales, so I see no reason to lie to my kid about them.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Harry Tuttle on January 11, 2010, 11:04:55 PM

I think age 18 is roughly the age at which I would consider tossing my kid out of the house. However, I submit the following as a moral guideline. The age at which my child can think for his/her self and take full responsibility for his/her actions is the appropriate age for emancipation. Until the day my child proves himself/herself capable, one would be ill advised to make sexual advances. Any offspring of mine are under my protection until they have eschewed it.

Laws cloud these standards. They attempt to fit the complexity of individual maturity into a one-size-fits-all simplicity.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Brooklyn Red Leg on January 11, 2010, 11:27:05 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 11, 2010, 10:47:32 PM

Where did this arbitrary number come into play...

By the age of 13, the overwhelming number of human beings have already undergone or are undergoing puberty. Once someone has done that, they are physically all but indistinguishable from an 'adult'. They're just small adults, but adults nonetheless. They can and DO have offspring by that age (and even before). The fact that most 13 year old's in the united States cannot functionally behave as adults is because of

1.) Their parents have not done anything to prepare them for BEING adults

2.) The education and psychology establishments have so muddied the waters by fucking things up with regards to the fiction called 'adolescence'

3.) The government, in a great case of The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions, made up the fictional 'Statutory Rape' as well as making a whole host of laws that are completely and totally nonsensical vis-a-vis working age etc.

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You better watch what you say on this board or you will be labeled as a bad parent.

Don't have kids. Not sure if I even want kids even if I had the opportunity.

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What happens if your child (not that you have one) is 10 and wants to challenge your views on the age of majority?

I'll cross the bridge when/if I come to it and it will be determined on whether or not said 10-yr old has undergone or is undergoing puberty.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: ForumTroll on January 12, 2010, 12:39:57 AM

I wonder if this is an old troll or a new one?

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 12, 2010, 12:58:45 AM

Preliminary analysis concludes noob, numerical data is not replicated in other quadrants commander. 

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: anarchir on January 12, 2010, 01:05:35 AM

The results are agreed upon based on my calculations and observations.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: ForumTroll on January 12, 2010, 01:10:51 AM

Quote from: Drifter on January 12, 2010, 12:58:45 AM

Preliminary analysis concludes noob, numerical data is not replicated in other quadrants commander. 

Tea, Earl Gray, hot.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 12, 2010, 01:29:33 AM

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Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Kevin Freeheart on January 12, 2010, 01:33:52 AM

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There's a big difference between supporting a behavior and not supporting a coercive monopoly agency that steals money from innocent people to pay armed goons to shoot people for that behavior.

This. :)

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Does FTL Support NAMBLA?

One of NAMBLAs specific issues is pressing that adult-child sex is a CRUCIAL part of proper development. I think that's complete and total bullshit.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: cavalier973 on January 12, 2010, 02:06:12 AM

In the improbable case of a set of parents willingly allowing their 10 year old child to be sexually exploited, social ostracization would possibly remedy their poor decision regarding their child much more quickly than some government law.  Besides, relying on government to "rescue" the child would hardly be an improvement, since the government would practice its own version of molestation on the child.

I live in a society in which people consider government to be necessary, and I understand the emotional appeal of having the government set up laws to apprehend and punish child molesters; they violate the rights of the innocent and defenseless, which makes their activity particularly abhorrent.  With this in mind, punishing child molesters seems to be one of the few legitimate functions of government.  Caution should be used, however, as government laws can unfortunately backfire occasionally, and result in truly innocent people being wrongly punished for reasons of political advantage or personal animosity:  http://www.criminalattorney.com/news/child-molestation/

Social ostracization isn't as satisfying as the idea that the offender will be "strung up" (or whatever); it doesn't seem to be as powerful a deterrent as the idea of a S.W.A.T. team crashing through the front door with guns drawn.  But when an individual finds that he cannot buy food from the local grocer, that his neighbors cut him off socially, that he cannot, in short, live as much as possible a normal life, then he must either move away or change his behavior.

The truly Christian thing to do (yes, I am one of those unintelligent believers in God, though I do not believe in Santa Clause--rather arbitrary, what?) would be to adopt the child from the bad parents, and trust to God's eventually punishing the offenders in the most God-awful way imaginable.

 

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: hellbilly on January 12, 2010, 02:07:37 AM

Quote from: anarchir on January 11, 2010, 11:01:34 PM

If I ever had kids (which I do not plan on at all) I would teach them about Santa and God(s), but I would at the exact same time tell them how they are just stories and not real at all. If I didn't teach them about these things they would face some trouble dealing with the fact that many other people worship these characters.  I know they are fairy tales, so I see no reason to lie to my kid about them.

I'm teaching my kids that Santa is real & God is a lie.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: anarchir on January 12, 2010, 02:13:06 AM

Quote from: hellbilly on January 12, 2010, 02:07:37 AM

Quote from: anarchir on January 11, 2010, 11:01:34 PM

If I ever had kids (which I do not plan on at all) I would teach them about Santa and God(s), but I would at the exact same time tell them how they are just stories and not real at all. If I didn't teach them about these things they would face some trouble dealing with the fact that many other people worship these characters.  I know they are fairy tales, so I see no reason to lie to my kid about them.

I'm teaching my kids that Santa is real & God is a lie.

And when the finally realize that Santa is fake and that their parent is a liar and has been lying to them for years for no reason other than that parents OWN amusement?

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: hellbilly on January 12, 2010, 02:15:49 AM

Well then they have the satisfaction of playing that same foul trick on their kids eh?

In this case the "lie" amounts to not much more than accusing the dog of farting when it was actually oneself that did it.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: ForumTroll on January 12, 2010, 02:48:19 AM

SOCIAL OSTRICIZATION STOPPED ANARCHO JESSE

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: mikehz on January 12, 2010, 10:12:43 AM

Parents do not own their children, but are agents for them. Unlike persons of majority, minors (which includes all incompetent parties, such as children, the mentally ill, and anyone else unable to care for themselves), hold extra rights. They have the right to be taken care of by others.

It's not a matter of the libertarian parent saying, the moment their kid is born, "Okay, I've done my part. Now, get your ass out there and start earning a living!" No--by bringing a human being into this world the parent has, by their action, entered into an implied contract to care for that child. This care includes not allowing the kid into situations where harm might come to it.

For example, the parent could not say to some sadist, "Sure--for a hundred bucks, I'll let you spank my kid." Even if the kid agrees to this, it would still be wrong, as it might bring serious emotional or physical harm to the child.

The age of majority varies from child to child. For some, it might be 15; for others 18. Some are ready at 10, while others might not be ready at 20. But, the law must pick some general age at which most should be considered ready to handle themselves in society, and 18 is the general age picked. (I don't care for the fact that in the US this age of majority is sort of dribbled out: a little here, a bit there. At 17, you can drive, at 18, you can smoke and vote, but you can't drink until 21. Just pick a freakin' age and stick with it!)

But, in every state a child may apply to the court for early majority. Howard Hughes gained his majority at 19, and others have done so much younger. In other cases, some people never gain their majority; for instance, the severely mentally retarded. You can't reasonably say to someone born with an IQ of 50, "Well, you're 21 today. You're on your own!"

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: cavalier973 on January 12, 2010, 11:20:42 AM

Quote from: ForumTroll on January 12, 2010, 02:48:19 AM

SOCIAL OSTRICIZATION STOPPED ANARCHO JESSE

Was he some sort of anarchic socialist?  The sites I googled were unclear on the surface, and I have no interest in spending time reading his stuff...

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: IndyCA on January 12, 2010, 03:11:30 PM

Quote from: cavalier973 on January 12, 2010, 11:20:42 AM

Quote from: ForumTroll on January 12, 2010, 02:48:19 AM

SOCIAL OSTRICIZATION STOPPED ANARCHO JESSE

Was he some sort of anarchic socialist?  The sites I googled were unclear on the surface, and I have no interest in spending time reading his stuff...

No he is AnCap, unless something changed.  I am not sure of what the issue with Jessie is either.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM

You guys must be real fun at parties.

All I can say is choose your battles....riding toward the cliff of rightiousnes is pretty lonely when the only thing people hear as you go over is that you never compromised your prinicples.

I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  It kind of changes the way you see things.  You may want to instill all kinds of wisdom and knowledge on your offspring with hopes that they will be a chip off the old block....but it does not always work that way.  The lord moves in mysterious ways (or for people who do not believe in God(s) - Shit Happens).

I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  I have not been to too many places but I have been to India and Brazil.  When I look at the infrastucture of those two places (India more than Brazil) I see a form of government which has let their people down as a whole and truly shunned those who can not help themselves.

Traveling to these types of places can really put prespective on taking a shit in a dirty MacDonalds Restroom versus standing and taking a shit in a hole in the floor in some third world coutry and having to bring your won toilet paper (thank god for wet ones)


Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there. 

Having the republican party Hijack your party may not be that much of a bad thing.  It seems that your have not been able to do jack shit with getting any of your agenda passed or leadership elected.  And isnt getting some of your Agenda or leadership passed or elected better than none at all.

Compromise and get something or stick to your principles and be stuck in the blogosphere forever and hold out hope someday the the entire country will get behind making 13 year old kids able to smoke, drink, drive and make adult decisions.

I think of have wasted enough of my productive time venting on a fringe group of no bodys

What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  I can not be trusted to use my will power to not comment against the stubborn.

So please ban my IP address.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 12, 2010, 04:39:33 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM

You guys must be real fun at parties.

All I can say is choose your battles....riding toward the cliff of rightiousnes is pretty lonely when the only thing people hear as you go over is that you never compromised your prinicples.

Argumentum ad populum

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I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  It kind of changes the way you see things.  You may want to instill all kinds of wisdom and knowledge on your offspring with hopes that they will be a chip off the old block....but it does not always work that way.  The lord moves in mysterious ways (or for people who do not believe in God(s) - Shit Happens).

no comment - I quoted to separate from your other comments without deletion.

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I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  I have not been to too many places but I have been to India and Brazil.  When I look at the infrastucture of those two places (India more than Brazil) I see a form of government which has let their people down as a whole and truly shunned those who can not help themselves.

Traveling to these types of places can really put prespective on taking a shit in a dirty MacDonalds Restroom versus standing and taking a shit in a hole in the floor in some third world coutry and having to bring your won toilet paper (thank god for wet ones)

Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there.

You're not a fan of big government, but you're a fan of the biggest government in the history of mankind?

I've heard of relatively benign cancers, and cancers that kill in weeks.  I'm not a fan of either.  What's more, you seem to be confusing the effects of technology and wealth with the effects of government.

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Having the republican party Hijack your party may not be that much of a bad thing.  It seems that your have not been able to do jack shit with getting any of your agenda passed or leadership elected.  And isnt getting some of your Agenda or leadership passed or elected better than none at all.

Compromise and get something or stick to your principles and be stuck in the blogosphere forever and hold out hope someday the the entire country will get behind making 13 year old kids able to smoke, drink, drive and make adult decisions.

1) Not necessarily "our party."  Certainly not my party.  The Libertarian Party's biggest problem is that they decided they wanted to win elections instead of using elections as an opportunity to expose people to libertarian ideas.  This problem became painfully obvious when we began hearing rhetoric about "restoring faith in government."  Even Reagan knew better when he said "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

2) You seem to think libertarian = Libertarian.  There's a much larger world out there than politics (aka, the struggle over the use of monopoly force over others.)

3) Compromise is what got us here.  There is no room to "compromise" your rights away to thugs.  "The Country," aka the state, will fall under its own weight.  If you can't see that, you're not reading the news.  The only reason to acquiesce when confronted with government and its violence is to avoid its violence.

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I think of have wasted enough of my productive time venting on a fringe group of no bodys

Argumentum ad hominem

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What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  I can not be trusted to use my will power to not comment against the stubborn.

So please ban my IP address.

Wow...at least you admit you can't handle liberty.  I suggest you get a personal advocate, sign over durable power of attorney, and let that person run your life.  That'll get you the "control" you want, but you should limit that to yourself and lay off the lives of others.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Osborne on January 12, 2010, 04:43:56 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM

Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there. 

"That's like being the prettiest Denny's waitress. It's just not good enough." - Stanhope

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 12, 2010, 07:27:26 PM

Before I start replying to anything, what this thread really needs is a picture of a girl with a kitten:

(http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/kitten-trumpet-560.jpg)

Now, where were we...

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM You guys must be real fun at parties.

My idea of a party is a bunch of geeks trying to optimize VFS performance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVb8jdlP4gE) by a percent or two.  :lol:

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM All I can say is choose your battles  [...]

There's politics and there's philosophy - two very different things.  Both sides of this pragmatism / idealism dichotomy are necessary for a successful movement.

On this forum I prefer to discuss my ivory-tower philosophy of Anarcho-Capitalism, which is a rational analysis of how things should be, even though I recognize that it would take several decades for even a few regional libertarian hot-spots to establish themselves successfully.  To a philosopher 2 + 2 always adds up to 4, regardless of what other people think or what they would find more convincing.  On the other hand there are Free Staters who engage in libertarian / minarchist politics, and they're getting quite effective at it, considering the circumstances - first we reduce the government power by 0.01%, then by 0.01% more, and so on, one tactical bite-sized step at a time.  

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  [...]

That's true, and that's probably one of the biggest problems with libertarianism today - not enough of us are breeding.  :lol:

But the rest of our economic ideas are demonstrably superior.  In fact they would create a much greater incentive for people to have more children than any secular movement ever has, because parents would be the "kings of their castle" once again, and their children would replace the Welfare State as their safety net for a well-off retirement (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30621).

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  [...]

When 2 + 2 adds up to 6 instead of 11 - yes, that might be an improvement, but it is still wrong.

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  [...]

Find the guy called John Shaw and make fun of his gun collection.  :lol:

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: davann on January 12, 2010, 07:46:13 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM

You guys must be real fun at parties.

All I can say is choose your battles....riding toward the cliff of rightiousnes is pretty lonely when the only thing people hear as you go over is that you never compromised your prinicples.

I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  It kind of changes the way you see things.  You may want to instill all kinds of wisdom and knowledge on your offspring with hopes that they will be a chip off the old block....but it does not always work that way.  The lord moves in mysterious ways (or for people who do not believe in God(s) - Shit Happens).

I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  I have not been to too many places but I have been to India and Brazil.  When I look at the infrastucture of those two places (India more than Brazil) I see a form of government which has let their people down as a whole and truly shunned those who can not help themselves.

Traveling to these types of places can really put prespective on taking a shit in a dirty MacDonalds Restroom versus standing and taking a shit in a hole in the floor in some third world coutry and having to bring your won toilet paper (thank god for wet ones)


Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there. 

Having the republican party Hijack your party may not be that much of a bad thing.  It seems that your have not been able to do jack shit with getting any of your agenda passed or leadership elected.  And isnt getting some of your Agenda or leadership passed or elected better than none at all.

Compromise and get something or stick to your principles and be stuck in the blogosphere forever and hold out hope someday the the entire country will get behind making 13 year old kids able to smoke, drink, drive and make adult decisions.

I think of have wasted enough of my productive time venting on a fringe group of no bodys

What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  I can not be trusted to use my will power to not comment against the stubborn.

So please ban my IP address.

Tell you what, you do your thing over there and I promise to leave you alone. I'll do my thing over here and you promise to leave me alone. Guess which of us is not going keep their word?

And that is the problem with your type. Foolish little man. So full of fear and paranoia you have deliberated yourself to the point you love government because you believe it can protect from the evils of the world. I almost pity you.

Hint: It ain't me.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 12, 2010, 07:48:46 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM

So please ban my IP address.

No. 

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 12, 2010, 07:59:12 PM

Alex Thanks for your help...

John Shaw actually registers his GUNS.  John Shaw snitched on a neighbor for cutting 1 inch off the end of a shotgun.

John Shaw's gun collection is a reflection on the inferior size of his penis (or lack thereof) - all of John Shaw's guns are derrengers to make his crank look bigger.  His fat soon to be ex-wife is cheating on him with a black man on welfare.

And John secretly calls Code Enforcement on his neighbors to have them cut their grass when it gets 3 inches to high (essentiall half the lenght of his fully erect penis)...

If this does not get my IP banned please provide some more help

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 12, 2010, 08:10:20 PM

Total Hypocrits......

I saw some posts on Glenn Beck....and how you think that he is 75% percent there for your cause.  And that you can use him to further your agenda....

Well that is going against some of your coments here.

Principles my ass.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 12, 2010, 08:14:46 PM

Just unsubscribe.  The idea of being unable to control yourself doesn't speak well of your intelligence.  If you don't want to be here, don't be here.  Its really fucking simple man.  

I'll tell ya what.  If you insist on playing games with your banning, and lack of self control, I'll just drop your identity into a couple forums and you'll get DDoS'd off the entire net.  Then you won't have to make these tough choices.  Sound good?

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Brooklyn Red Leg on January 12, 2010, 08:26:17 PM

Quote from: Alex  Libman on January 12, 2010, 07:27:26 PM

(http://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/kitten-trumpet-560.jpg)

Kitten. Its whats for dinner!

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 12, 2010, 11:24:09 PM

Quote from: bibble on January 12, 2010, 08:10:20 PM

Total Hypocrits......

I saw some posts on Glenn Beck....and how you think that he is 75% percent there for your cause.  And that you can use him to further your agenda....

Well that is going against some of your coments here.

Principles my ass.

Your blather has nothing to do with anyone here being a hypocrite.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: bibble on January 13, 2010, 02:18:15 AM

Drifter,

That is real Mature.  Making threats.  Sounds real Big Brother like if you ask me.  Sounds like you are doing the exact same thing which you claim the government is capable of doing.  Power Corrups and abosulte power turns good guys into cock suckers.

As a person with free will, I think you are a cock sucker. 

And its just like a NAMBLA supporter to like to suck the cock.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 13, 2010, 06:57:11 AM

Quote from: bibble on January 13, 2010, 02:18:15 AM

Drifter,

That is real Mature.  Making threats.  Sounds real Big Brother like if you ask me.  Sounds like you are doing the exact same thing which you claim the government is capable of doing.  Power Corrups and abosulte power turns good guys into cock suckers.

As a person with free will, I think you are a cock sucker. 

And its just like a NAMBLA supporter to like to suck the cock.

Sounds like someone has penis issues when drinking.   :lol: 

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 13, 2010, 07:05:07 AM

Refusing to ban an asshole from a privately-owned forum...

Real big-brother-like...  :roll:

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Riddler on January 13, 2010, 10:36:08 AM

hey bibble...
is your mother's name ''ishka'', by any chance?

off topic, but curious just the same

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 13, 2010, 12:03:56 PM

Ische ga bibble? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ish_Kabibble)

Another undercover המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים agent exposed!  :lol:

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: John Shaw on January 13, 2010, 12:41:15 PM

PROTIPS -

1. Ellipses only require 3 periods.
2. Overuse of ellipses looks (and probably is) pretentious.
3. Associating an instrument of violence with sexual organs says a lot more about you than it does about me. Rape much?
4. You are not a very good troll.
5. People who have usernames associated with fru fru wine tasting shouldn't be impugning anyone else's sexuality.
6. Libman was setting you up. You see, he's a resident troll, which means that while I hate him passionately and wish him great harm, he's ONE OF OURS. You are a pathetic interloper who will fade away in a few weeks at most. He knows how hard I can drop the hammer and his post was more of a message to me than it was to you.
7. Now begone, "Jan Simon" from "Florida", lest I smack you about the face and neck with a wet chainsaw.
8. Clown shoes.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Riddler on January 13, 2010, 08:33:36 PM

Quote from: Alex  Libman on January 13, 2010, 12:03:56 PM

Ische ga bibble? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ish_Kabibble)

Another undercover המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים agent exposed!  :lol:

what?
me worry?

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Ecolitan on January 13, 2010, 08:56:41 PM

It says "mossad".

Bibble is a jewy word see.  Also the name of an alien in a very funny Dave Chappelle skit.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Riddler on January 14, 2010, 10:57:21 AM

jewy, my ass

In his 1989 autobiography, Bogue explained his stage name, which he took from the lyrics of one of his comedic songs, "Isch ga-bibble."[1]

The song derived from a mock-Yiddish expression, "Ische ga bibble?", which was purported to mean "I should worry?", prompting a curious (and perhaps not coincidental) association of the comedian with the "What, me worry?" motto of Mad's mascot, Alfred E. Neuman. While this derivation has been widely quoted on the Internet and elsewhere, the expression "ische ga bibble" is not Yiddish and contains no Yiddish words at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ish_Kabibble


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Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Ecolitan on January 14, 2010, 11:09:08 AM

Clearly entirely unrelated to anything Jewy.  :roll:

And...  I thought you were asking what it said.  I simply explained it said Mossad and why Libman would make such an accusation.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 14, 2010, 12:33:10 PM

I stand kikerected.

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Riddler on January 14, 2010, 03:47:04 PM

anyways.....so how bout them big ol' bullett-tits on jane russell?

Title: Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 14, 2010, 04:19:40 PM

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