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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2010, 02:07:37 AM »

If I ever had kids (which I do not plan on at all) I would teach them about Santa and God(s), but I would at the exact same time tell them how they are just stories and not real at all. If I didn't teach them about these things they would face some trouble dealing with the fact that many other people worship these characters.  I know they are fairy tales, so I see no reason to lie to my kid about them.

I'm teaching my kids that Santa is real & God is a lie.
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2010, 02:13:06 AM »

If I ever had kids (which I do not plan on at all) I would teach them about Santa and God(s), but I would at the exact same time tell them how they are just stories and not real at all. If I didn't teach them about these things they would face some trouble dealing with the fact that many other people worship these characters.  I know they are fairy tales, so I see no reason to lie to my kid about them.

I'm teaching my kids that Santa is real & God is a lie.

And when the finally realize that Santa is fake and that their parent is a liar and has been lying to them for years for no reason other than that parents OWN amusement?
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2010, 02:15:49 AM »

Well then they have the satisfaction of playing that same foul trick on their kids eh?

In this case the "lie" amounts to not much more than accusing the dog of farting when it was actually oneself that did it.
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2010, 02:48:19 AM »

SOCIAL OSTRICIZATION STOPPED ANARCHO JESSE
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2010, 10:12:43 AM »

Parents do not own their children, but are agents for them. Unlike persons of majority, minors (which includes all incompetent parties, such as children, the mentally ill, and anyone else unable to care for themselves), hold extra rights. They have the right to be taken care of by others.

It's not a matter of the libertarian parent saying, the moment their kid is born, "Okay, I've done my part. Now, get your ass out there and start earning a living!" No--by bringing a human being into this world the parent has, by their action, entered into an implied contract to care for that child. This care includes not allowing the kid into situations where harm might come to it.

For example, the parent could not say to some sadist, "Sure--for a hundred bucks, I'll let you spank my kid." Even if the kid agrees to this, it would still be wrong, as it might bring serious emotional or physical harm to the child.

The age of majority varies from child to child. For some, it might be 15; for others 18. Some are ready at 10, while others might not be ready at 20. But, the law must pick some general age at which most should be considered ready to handle themselves in society, and 18 is the general age picked. (I don't care for the fact that in the US this age of majority is sort of dribbled out: a little here, a bit there. At 17, you can drive, at 18, you can smoke and vote, but you can't drink until 21. Just pick a freakin' age and stick with it!)

But, in every state a child may apply to the court for early majority. Howard Hughes gained his majority at 19, and others have done so much younger. In other cases, some people never gain their majority; for instance, the severely mentally retarded. You can't reasonably say to someone born with an IQ of 50, "Well, you're 21 today. You're on your own!"
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2010, 11:20:42 AM »

SOCIAL OSTRICIZATION STOPPED ANARCHO JESSE

Was he some sort of anarchic socialist?  The sites I googled were unclear on the surface, and I have no interest in spending time reading his stuff...
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2010, 03:11:30 PM »

SOCIAL OSTRICIZATION STOPPED ANARCHO JESSE

Was he some sort of anarchic socialist?  The sites I googled were unclear on the surface, and I have no interest in spending time reading his stuff...

No he is AnCap, unless something changed.  I am not sure of what the issue with Jessie is either.
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2010, 04:02:39 PM »


You guys must be real fun at parties.

All I can say is choose your battles....riding toward the cliff of rightiousnes is pretty lonely when the only thing people hear as you go over is that you never compromised your prinicples.

I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  It kind of changes the way you see things.  You may want to instill all kinds of wisdom and knowledge on your offspring with hopes that they will be a chip off the old block....but it does not always work that way.  The lord moves in mysterious ways (or for people who do not believe in God(s) - Shit Happens).

I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  I have not been to too many places but I have been to India and Brazil.  When I look at the infrastucture of those two places (India more than Brazil) I see a form of government which has let their people down as a whole and truly shunned those who can not help themselves.

Traveling to these types of places can really put prespective on taking a shit in a dirty MacDonalds Restroom versus standing and taking a shit in a hole in the floor in some third world coutry and having to bring your won toilet paper (thank god for wet ones)


Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there. 

Having the republican party Hijack your party may not be that much of a bad thing.  It seems that your have not been able to do jack shit with getting any of your agenda passed or leadership elected.  And isnt getting some of your Agenda or leadership passed or elected better than none at all.

Compromise and get something or stick to your principles and be stuck in the blogosphere forever and hold out hope someday the the entire country will get behind making 13 year old kids able to smoke, drink, drive and make adult decisions.

I think of have wasted enough of my productive time venting on a fringe group of no bodys

What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  I can not be trusted to use my will power to not comment against the stubborn.

So please ban my IP address.
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2010, 04:39:33 PM »


You guys must be real fun at parties.

All I can say is choose your battles....riding toward the cliff of rightiousnes is pretty lonely when the only thing people hear as you go over is that you never compromised your prinicples.

Argumentum ad populum

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I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  It kind of changes the way you see things.  You may want to instill all kinds of wisdom and knowledge on your offspring with hopes that they will be a chip off the old block....but it does not always work that way.  The lord moves in mysterious ways (or for people who do not believe in God(s) - Shit Happens).

no comment - I quoted to separate from your other comments without deletion.

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I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  I have not been to too many places but I have been to India and Brazil.  When I look at the infrastucture of those two places (India more than Brazil) I see a form of government which has let their people down as a whole and truly shunned those who can not help themselves.

Traveling to these types of places can really put prespective on taking a shit in a dirty MacDonalds Restroom versus standing and taking a shit in a hole in the floor in some third world coutry and having to bring your won toilet paper (thank god for wet ones)

Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there.

You're not a fan of big government, but you're a fan of the biggest government in the history of mankind?

I've heard of relatively benign cancers, and cancers that kill in weeks.  I'm not a fan of either.  What's more, you seem to be confusing the effects of technology and wealth with the effects of government.

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Having the republican party Hijack your party may not be that much of a bad thing.  It seems that your have not been able to do jack shit with getting any of your agenda passed or leadership elected.  And isnt getting some of your Agenda or leadership passed or elected better than none at all.

Compromise and get something or stick to your principles and be stuck in the blogosphere forever and hold out hope someday the the entire country will get behind making 13 year old kids able to smoke, drink, drive and make adult decisions.

1) Not necessarily "our party."  Certainly not my party.  The Libertarian Party's biggest problem is that they decided they wanted to win elections instead of using elections as an opportunity to expose people to libertarian ideas.  This problem became painfully obvious when we began hearing rhetoric about "restoring faith in government."  Even Reagan knew better when he said "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

2) You seem to think libertarian = Libertarian.  There's a much larger world out there than politics (aka, the struggle over the use of monopoly force over others.)

3) Compromise is what got us here.  There is no room to "compromise" your rights away to thugs.  "The Country," aka the state, will fall under its own weight.  If you can't see that, you're not reading the news.  The only reason to acquiesce when confronted with government and its violence is to avoid its violence.

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I think of have wasted enough of my productive time venting on a fringe group of no bodys

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What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  I can not be trusted to use my will power to not comment against the stubborn.

So please ban my IP address.

Wow...at least you admit you can't handle liberty.  I suggest you get a personal advocate, sign over durable power of attorney, and let that person run your life.  That'll get you the "control" you want, but you should limit that to yourself and lay off the lives of others.
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2010, 04:43:56 PM »


Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there. 


"That's like being the prettiest Denny's waitress. It's just not good enough." - Stanhope
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2010, 07:27:26 PM »

Before I start replying to anything, what this thread really needs is a picture of a girl with a kitten:



Now, where were we...


You guys must be real fun at parties.

My idea of a party is a bunch of geeks trying to optimize VFS performance by a percent or two.  :lol:


All I can say is choose your battles  [...]

There's politics and there's philosophy - two very different things.  Both sides of this pragmatism / idealism dichotomy are necessary for a successful movement.

On this forum I prefer to discuss my ivory-tower philosophy of Anarcho-Capitalism, which is a rational analysis of how things should be, even though I recognize that it would take several decades for even a few regional libertarian hot-spots to establish themselves successfully.  To a philosopher 2 + 2 always adds up to 4, regardless of what other people think or what they would find more convincing.  On the other hand there are Free Staters who engage in libertarian / minarchist politics, and they're getting quite effective at it, considering the circumstances - first we reduce the government power by 0.01%, then by 0.01% more, and so on, one tactical bite-sized step at a time.  


I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  [...]

That's true, and that's probably one of the biggest problems with libertarianism today - not enough of us are breeding.  :lol:

But the rest of our economic ideas are demonstrably superior.  In fact they would create a much greater incentive for people to have more children than any secular movement ever has, because parents would be the "kings of their castle" once again, and their children would replace the Welfare State as their safety net for a well-off retirement.


I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  [...]

When 2 + 2 adds up to 6 instead of 11 - yes, that might be an improvement, but it is still wrong.


What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  [...]

Find the guy called John Shaw and make fun of his gun collection.  :lol:

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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2010, 07:46:13 PM »


You guys must be real fun at parties.

All I can say is choose your battles....riding toward the cliff of rightiousnes is pretty lonely when the only thing people hear as you go over is that you never compromised your prinicples.

I can almost tell that some/most of you who are commenting about kids, have none of your own.  It kind of changes the way you see things.  You may want to instill all kinds of wisdom and knowledge on your offspring with hopes that they will be a chip off the old block....but it does not always work that way.  The lord moves in mysterious ways (or for people who do not believe in God(s) - Shit Happens).

I am not a big fan of big government, but I am a fan of our government.  I have not been to too many places but I have been to India and Brazil.  When I look at the infrastucture of those two places (India more than Brazil) I see a form of government which has let their people down as a whole and truly shunned those who can not help themselves.

Traveling to these types of places can really put prespective on taking a shit in a dirty MacDonalds Restroom versus standing and taking a shit in a hole in the floor in some third world coutry and having to bring your won toilet paper (thank god for wet ones)


Sure we may not live in a utopia here in the US, but it is better than most other countries out there. 

Having the republican party Hijack your party may not be that much of a bad thing.  It seems that your have not been able to do jack shit with getting any of your agenda passed or leadership elected.  And isnt getting some of your Agenda or leadership passed or elected better than none at all.

Compromise and get something or stick to your principles and be stuck in the blogosphere forever and hold out hope someday the the entire country will get behind making 13 year old kids able to smoke, drink, drive and make adult decisions.

I think of have wasted enough of my productive time venting on a fringe group of no bodys

What do I have to do to get banned from this web site?  I can not be trusted to use my will power to not comment against the stubborn.

So please ban my IP address.

Tell you what, you do your thing over there and I promise to leave you alone. I'll do my thing over here and you promise to leave me alone. Guess which of us is not going keep their word?

And that is the problem with your type. Foolish little man. So full of fear and paranoia you have deliberated yourself to the point you love government because you believe it can protect from the evils of the world. I almost pity you.

Hint: It ain't me.
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2010, 07:48:46 PM »


So please ban my IP address.

No. 
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2010, 07:59:12 PM »

Alex Thanks for your help...

John Shaw actually registers his GUNS.  John Shaw snitched on a neighbor for cutting 1 inch off the end of a shotgun.

John Shaw's gun collection is a reflection on the inferior size of his penis (or lack thereof) - all of John Shaw's guns are derrengers to make his crank look bigger.  His fat soon to be ex-wife is cheating on him with a black man on welfare.

And John secretly calls Code Enforcement on his neighbors to have them cut their grass when it gets 3 inches to high (essentiall half the lenght of his fully erect penis)...

If this does not get my IP banned please provide some more help
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Re: Does FTL Support NAMBLA
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2010, 08:10:20 PM »

Total Hypocrits......

I saw some posts on Glenn Beck....and how you think that he is 75% percent there for your cause.  And that you can use him to further your agenda....

Well that is going against some of your coments here.

Principles my ass.
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