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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2011, 07:28:01 AM »

While we're all unique snowflakes, I do see more or less two general trends:

1) people come to join "the nonviolent evolution", which in their minds involves massive peaceful civil disobedience, lots of smoking pot at the police station, followed somehow magically by the fall of the State.
They or their friends do some jail time. They see very little actual change in the nature of wider, non-freestater society. These people burn out quickly.

2) people who get involved in their town's existing civil society. They volunteer at various charities and on town committees. They get involved in the political process and engage in the marketplace of ideas. This means letters to the editor, chatting with neighbors, building friendships.
These people continue their careers in NH. They raise their families in NH. Sometimes work or family will pull them away for a time, but they generally come back.

If politics burns people out... where are the burned-out FSPer politicos? I am looking for them. I can't find them.

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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2011, 11:29:59 AM »

I read an article a while ago that reported the results of a study conducted by some political science professor on civil disobedience.  More specifically about the media's portrayal of civil disobedience.  The results tended to suggest that civil disobedience was generally not a winning strategy.  Whenever the media reported on civil disobedience they generally focused on the actual acts of disobedience.  They would give scant attention to the message that inspired the civil disobedience if they addressed it at all.  A confrontation, especially a confrontation with the police, increased the likelihood that the event was reported on but also decreased the likelihood that the message of the protest was reported.  

It also seems apparent that the civil disobedience crowd fails to understand the psychology of participants and spectators to such events.  Civil disobedience is the wrong venue for persuasion.  Civil disobedience is confrontation.  The people who are involved in the confrontation begin preparing themselves psychologically for attack and defense.  They start entering into a combative state of mind.  They being to shut themselves off to discussion and instead begin to dig in their heels and defend their own position, even if they know their stance is shaky.  

I also tend to disagree that their 'nonviolent evolution' is nonviolent.  The strategy of civil disobedience is often to encourage violence.  Violence is not a single act but part of a process.  It does not start with the swinging of the fist.  There are many preparatory steps that occur before the actual physical action occurs.  If you watch two dogs start to face off you'll see them begin to take certain stances.  Their ears will flatten against their heads, they will begin to circle.  There will be snarling and teeth bearing.  So what does this 'nonviolent' civil disobedience involve?  The activist simply starts the process of violence.  They create a situation where they can goad another individual into committing a physical act.  
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2011, 04:09:04 PM »

That's pretty much why I'll never move to NH, ever. Even if there's a job waiting for me there, it's just a shit storm waiting to happen. From the video of central square there makes me like NH less. It looks downright trashy (no offense to Dennis and anyone else that lives in NH, but that's how it looks on video).
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2011, 04:56:55 PM »

it's just a shit storm waiting to happen.
Depends on if the FKers grow up, and how many 'normals' take root in the rest of the state.
It helps that FKers tend to be transient, and normals tend to have, you know, house, family, career, kids, yadda

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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2011, 06:30:43 PM »

That's pretty much why I'll never move to NH, ever. Even if there's a job waiting for me there, it's just a shit storm waiting to happen. From the video of central square there makes me like NH less. It looks downright trashy (no offense to Dennis and anyone else that lives in NH, but that's how it looks on video).

So because you dislike the activism and response and look of Keene NH, you reject the rest of NH, which is entirely different?  Keene, despite Ian's promotion, is a relatively small and minor part of NH.
Plenty of other places to live and do all sort of good things.

So either you are looking for an excuse to stay put, or you just aren't looking past the window of some crappy video and seeing what else NH has to offer.
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2011, 06:38:43 PM »

So either you are looking for an excuse to stay put, or you just aren't looking past the window of some crappy video and seeing what else NH has to offer.

Tranny shitstorm in 3...2..1...
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2011, 07:25:27 PM »

 :lol:
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2011, 10:15:24 PM »

Is that a "juggalo"?

I think these types are Jugga-Highs.

Classy either way, and my favorite group to hang with at the Waffle House right down next to WalMarts.
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2011, 01:54:22 AM »

That's pretty much why I'll never move to NH, ever. Even if there's a job waiting for me there, it's just a shit storm waiting to happen. From the video of central square there makes me like NH less. It looks downright trashy (no offense to Dennis and anyone else that lives in NH, but that's how it looks on video).

So because you dislike the activism and response and look of Keene NH, you reject the rest of NH, which is entirely different?  Keene, despite Ian's promotion, is a relatively small and minor part of NH.
Plenty of other places to live and do all sort of good things.

So either you are looking for an excuse to stay put, or you just aren't looking past the window of some crappy video and seeing what else NH has to offer.

Not only is Keene a small part of NH, but it is entirely isolated from the rest of the state. Yeah, it may look like it is only a few miles from {name another town}, but the only way to travel there is to spend hours traversing a series of twisted two lane roads stuck behind a line of old people who have nothing better to do with their time than to waste yours. It's like a sick Lovecraftian nightmare trying to get anywhere near that place. It might as well not even exist.
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2011, 08:46:12 PM »

Miskatonic University has an extension in Keene. 

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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 12:48:50 AM »

Allow me to summarize:





Stop wasting your time bitching.  Libertarians cannot be herded.
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2011, 09:56:04 PM »

So...about that video...
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2011, 01:08:55 AM »

That's pretty much why I'll never move to NH, ever. Even if there's a job waiting for me there, it's just a shit storm waiting to happen. From the video of central square there makes me like NH less. It looks downright trashy (no offense to Dennis and anyone else that lives in NH, but that's how it looks on video).

Not only is there less poverty (both in general and child) in NH than anywhere else in the US, but NH also has the highest median household income, highest high school grad rate, lowest teen prego rate, lowest crime, least restrictive weapons laws, most representative government, most locally controlled government, lowest taxes per capita as a percentage of wages, most libertarian state house of representatives, best place to raise a child, most livable and 4th lowest unemployment, but it is a nice place to live.  

Maybe 1/3 the people live in conservative, Republican leaning suburbs of Boston in southeastern NH and the other 2/3s of the people live in the rest of the state which includes Manchester (and the Manch suburbs), Concord (and the Manch suburbs), Portsmouth (and the greater Portsmouth area) and the rest of NH which outside of Keene, the Lebanon / Hanover area, Conway and Berlin is highly rural.  

To say NH looks trashy is beyond absurd.  However, many of the houses of from the 1800s so they look different from the houses build in the last 40 years.  Additionally, many of the folks with less money purposely neglect the outside of their house in an effort to lower their property taxes.  The insides look fine.  And, in general, the state looks much nicer than most states.  I cannot think of another state in the eastern part of the US that looks as nice as NH except Maine.
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2011, 11:21:06 AM »

That's pretty much why I'll never move to NH, ever. Even if there's a job waiting for me there, it's just a shit storm waiting to happen. From the video of central square there makes me like NH less. It looks downright trashy (no offense to Dennis and anyone else that lives in NH, but that's how it looks on video).

Not only is there less poverty (both in general in child) in NH than anywhere else in the US, but NH also has the highest median household income, highest high school grad rate, lowest teen prego rate, lowest crime, least restrictive weapons laws, most representative government, most locally controlled government, lowest taxes per capita as a percentage of wages, most libertarian state house of representatives, best place to raise a child, most livable and 4th lowest unemployment, but it is a nice place to live. 

Maybe 1/3 the people live in conservative, Republican leaning suburbs of Boston in southeastern NH and the other 2/3s of the people live in the rest of the state which includes Manchester (and the Manch suburbs), Concord (and the Manch suburbs), Portsmouth (and the greater Portsmouth area) and the rest of NH which outside of Keene, the Lebanon / Hanover area, Conway and Berlin is highly rural.   

To say NH looks trashy is beyond absurd.  However, many of the houses of from the 1800s so they look different from the houses build in the last 40 years.  Additionally, many of the folks with less money purposely neglect the outside of their house in an effort to lower their property taxes.  The insides look fine.  And, in general, the state looks much nicer than most states.  I cannot think of another state in the eastern part of the US that looks as nice as NH except Maine.
How about compared to Colorado?
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Re: Dllama in the Free State
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2011, 11:58:54 AM »

That's pretty much why I'll never move to NH, ever. Even if there's a job waiting for me there, it's just a shit storm waiting to happen. From the video of central square there makes me like NH less. It looks downright trashy (no offense to Dennis and anyone else that lives in NH, but that's how it looks on video).

Not only is there less poverty (both in general in child) in NH than anywhere else in the US, but NH also has the highest median household income, highest high school grad rate, lowest teen prego rate, lowest crime, least restrictive weapons laws, most representative government, most locally controlled government, lowest taxes per capita as a percentage of wages, most libertarian state house of representatives, best place to raise a child, most livable and 4th lowest unemployment, but it is a nice place to live. 

Maybe 1/3 the people live in conservative, Republican leaning suburbs of Boston in southeastern NH and the other 2/3s of the people live in the rest of the state which includes Manchester (and the Manch suburbs), Concord (and the Manch suburbs), Portsmouth (and the greater Portsmouth area) and the rest of NH which outside of Keene, the Lebanon / Hanover area, Conway and Berlin is highly rural.   

To say NH looks trashy is beyond absurd.  However, many of the houses of from the 1800s so they look different from the houses build in the last 40 years.  Additionally, many of the folks with less money purposely neglect the outside of their house in an effort to lower their property taxes.  The insides look fine.  And, in general, the state looks much nicer than most states.  I cannot think of another state in the eastern part of the US that looks as nice as NH except Maine.
How about compared to Colorado?

I've found most places look like crap compared to Colorado.  I wasn't even born here, and still think it's true--particularly in the winter time in places where it snows.  We get enough sun here that we're not all SADS-effected in the winter months, and that shit would drive me bats in most places.  I visited my sister in Indiana and my mother in Missouri several winters back, and it was razor blade city.
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