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Re: Emotive Rant
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2010, 12:10:48 AM »





I don't pity people who get what they want.   If a woman starts out a prim joyless bitch and the guy says "That's the one for me!" then he can live with what he chose.  If she starts out vivacious, fun, and sex-loving but turns into a prim joyless bitch, then I'll have sympathy for him.  But mainly, what "I wouldn't marry the type of girl I would have a fling with" says is "I don't think vivacious, fun, and sex-loving women are good enough to marry, so I'll marry the prim joyless one and eventually cheat on her with the fun one because I feel unfulfilled with the marble statue I chose. "

Otherwise known as the Madonna/Whore complex, because some people are unable to wrap their minds around "good" and "good in bed" being the same person.  I say "person" because women get that too sometimes, though men seem to more often.  

Plus, Diogenes, it takes two people to have a fling.  If a fling makes her a whore, it makes you one as well.  

Rillion, I think you're misinterpreting things here. I do want a vivacious, fun sex loving girl as much as the next guy, but it isn't proper to date girls just to get under their skirts. We date for marriage. You don't even get to get in physical contact with your spouse until the wedding night, let alone go to a private place with them.

But everyone till has physical and emotional needs to be met, and for some people, that desire is overwhelming.


EDIT: A friend of mine just got engaged tonight!
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Re: Emotive Rant
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2010, 01:11:17 AM »

I've read every post and I can't help but to say,

"What the FUCK?"

Is this thread meant to serve as a group therapy session to help you work through the ridiculousness of your religion? 

Marry a woman you are in absolute love with and is good to/for you.

Don't marry a woman b/c some Rabbi told you she can deep throat a kosher pickle.
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« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2010, 04:17:10 AM »

I've never understood the no fornication before marriage crap. All my past and current relationships have involved sex before marriage, I just see sex as an important part of a relationship, the old saying that "it develops as you get to know one another," is a load of bullshit, you get closer and learn about each others buttons more but if the "fuck me hard," ain't there at the start i've never had it make an appearence later on. I always have thought and still think that the whole no fornication thing is a mind fuck from religion, marry someone then find out you don't sexually bond with someone, well, fuck you, to bad, you're married. It's like all the religious leaders are jealous because the only pussy they get is choir boy asshole so they are out to fuck up everyone else's life. I can't have it so neither can you. You may find love by sticking to your religion and following IMHO, all it's idiotic dictates, but will you really find the one who rocks your world? I doubt it. Growing up around Mormons I saw this kind of fanatical adherence. I'm now in my 30's and of the eight mormons I have kept in touch with, only one of them is still with the person they were set up with, the rest aren't, two left the chruch and one became a devote twit who now has 3 wives (neither one his original) and nearly 2 dozen kids, fucking idiot. It will do you good to meet a lefty Jew, maybe she'll peg you like the Jew from Weeds pegged Andy Botwin.

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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2010, 11:19:55 AM »

Rillion, I think you're misinterpreting things here. I do want a vivacious, fun sex loving girl as much as the next guy, but it isn't proper to date girls just to get under their skirts. We date for marriage. You don't even get to get in physical contact with your spouse until the wedding night, let alone go to a private place with them.

But everyone till has physical and emotional needs to be met, and for some people, that desire is overwhelming.

I understand that perfectly well.  But if you think people who have flings are not worth marrying, then be consistent about it.  "I wouldn't marry a woman I'd have a fling with" suggests that if you do have a fling (desires being overwhelming and all), it somehow wouldn't make you not worth marrying while it would her.  Women have physical and emotional needs too.  If she's rendered unworthy by a fling, so are you. 

P.S. False dichotomy re: "dating girls just to get under their skirts" and "dating for marriage."  You've left out about 95% of why most people date. 

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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2010, 02:07:21 PM »





I don't pity people who get what they want.   If a woman starts out a prim joyless bitch and the guy says "That's the one for me!" then he can live with what he chose.  If she starts out vivacious, fun, and sex-loving but turns into a prim joyless bitch, then I'll have sympathy for him.  But mainly, what "I wouldn't marry the type of girl I would have a fling with" says is "I don't think vivacious, fun, and sex-loving women are good enough to marry, so I'll marry the prim joyless one and eventually cheat on her with the fun one because I feel unfulfilled with the marble statue I chose. "

Otherwise known as the Madonna/Whore complex, because some people are unable to wrap their minds around "good" and "good in bed" being the same person.  I say "person" because women get that too sometimes, though men seem to more often.  

Plus, Diogenes, it takes two people to have a fling.  If a fling makes her a whore, it makes you one as well.  

Rillion, I think you're misinterpreting things here. I do want a vivacious, fun sex loving girl as much as the next guy, but it isn't proper to date girls just to get under their skirts. We date for marriage. You don't even get to get in physical contact with your spouse until the wedding night, let alone go to a private place with them.

But everyone till has physical and emotional needs to be met, and for some people, that desire is overwhelming.


EDIT: A friend of mine just got engaged tonight!

Are you a virgin, then? Otherwise you're expecting higher standards of your mate than of yourself...
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Re: Emotive Rant
« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2010, 02:19:59 PM »





I don't pity people who get what they want.   If a woman starts out a prim joyless bitch and the guy says "That's the one for me!" then he can live with what he chose.  If she starts out vivacious, fun, and sex-loving but turns into a prim joyless bitch, then I'll have sympathy for him.  But mainly, what "I wouldn't marry the type of girl I would have a fling with" says is "I don't think vivacious, fun, and sex-loving women are good enough to marry, so I'll marry the prim joyless one and eventually cheat on her with the fun one because I feel unfulfilled with the marble statue I chose. "

Otherwise known as the Madonna/Whore complex, because some people are unable to wrap their minds around "good" and "good in bed" being the same person.  I say "person" because women get that too sometimes, though men seem to more often.  

Plus, Diogenes, it takes two people to have a fling.  If a fling makes her a whore, it makes you one as well.  

Rillion, I think you're misinterpreting things here. I do want a vivacious, fun sex loving girl as much as the next guy, but it isn't proper to date girls just to get under their skirts. We date for marriage. You don't even get to get in physical contact with your spouse until the wedding night, let alone go to a private place with them.

But everyone till has physical and emotional needs to be met, and for some people, that desire is overwhelming.


EDIT: A friend of mine just got engaged tonight!

Are you a virgin, then? Otherwise you're expecting higher standards of your mate than of yourself...
What's wrong with having high standards in a mate?  Even if they exceed your own?
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« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2010, 02:28:47 PM »

What's wrong with having high standards in a mate?  Even if they exceed your own?

You mean other than being a hypocrite?  
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« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2010, 04:35:35 PM »

Rillion, I think you're misinterpreting things here. I do want a vivacious, fun sex loving girl as much as the next guy, but it isn't proper to date girls just to get under their skirts. We date for marriage. You don't even get to get in physical contact with your spouse until the wedding night, let alone go to a private place with them.

But everyone till has physical and emotional needs to be met, and for some people, that desire is overwhelming.

I understand that perfectly well.  But if you think people who have flings are not worth marrying, then be consistent about it.  "I wouldn't marry a woman I'd have a fling with" suggests that if you do have a fling (desires being overwhelming and all), it somehow wouldn't make you not worth marrying while it would her.  Women have physical and emotional needs too.  If she's rendered unworthy by a fling, so are you. 

P.S. False dichotomy re: "dating girls just to get under their skirts" and "dating for marriage."  You've left out about 95% of why most people date. 



I guess I was unclear. Let me rephrase this in a way you would understand. The people are fine, but its the relationship thats not worth having. I couldn't care less if my wife had a fling before, and it would be hypocritical for me to be bothered by it but no one would marry the person they had the fling with, becsuse no one who has a relationship like expects anything out of it.
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« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2010, 05:06:13 PM »

I guess I was unclear. Let me rephrase this in a way you would understand. The people are fine, but its the relationship thats not worth having. I couldn't care less if my wife had a fling before, and it would be hypocritical for me to be bothered by it but no one would marry the person they had the fling with, becsuse no one who has a relationship like expects anything out of it.

Oh boy.  Have you really never heard of people who have what they entirely expected to be a fling, but it turns into a long-term committment?  I don't have statistics in front of me, but I expect it's a pretty healthy number.  And at no point in recorded history has failing to expect something stopped it from happening.  

A fling can't be a relationship that's not worth having because if it were, it would be non-existent.  Nobody would have one.  But people obviously do have them, and some stay flings whereas others turn into something bigger.  My relationship with my boyfriend started out as a fling-- neither of us expected much from it.  But guess what?  Here we are, nine years later, effectively married except that we didn't feel like asking the government's permission.  

Unless you have flings exclusively with prostitutes or women you hate....you just never know.   And even then I suppose you don't.  Strange things happen.
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« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2010, 05:14:32 PM »

I forsee someone getting pregnant, a marriage happening so people keep face, and a lifetime of "what if?" questions. I fucking hate religion.
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« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2010, 07:59:24 PM »

I still don't understand the part about the lady who asked Dio if he would consider wearing coloured shirts so that he can get the girl, as if to say that it is extremely important to the girl that her future husband wears coloured shirts.

And then Dio says that he would consider wearing a coloured shirt, so long as a television is not allowed in the house.

I just don't get it.

What if the girl says that Dio doesn't have to wear coloured shirts, so long as she can watch TV...would that be acceptable?
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« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2010, 08:19:02 PM »

I still don't understand the part about the lady who asked Dio if he would consider wearing coloured shirts so that he can get the girl, as if to say that it is extremely important to the girl that her future husband wears coloured shirts.

And then Dio says that he would consider wearing a coloured shirt, so long as a television is not allowed in the house.

I just don't get it.

What if the girl says that Dio doesn't have to wear coloured shirts, so long as she can watch TV...would that be acceptable?

I don't understand it either.

Differences are something that gets hammered out as part of the dating process.
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« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2010, 09:32:05 PM »

Differences are something that gets hammered out as part of the dating process.

Usually, yes.  But what you're describing isn't a dating process-- it's more like a negotiation between lawyers.   
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« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2010, 09:40:03 PM »

Differences are something that gets hammered out as part of the dating process.

Usually, yes.  But what you're describing isn't a dating process-- it's more like a negotiation between lawyers.   

The oddity of the situation is not lost on me. That's one of the motivations I had in creating this thread.
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« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2010, 09:56:01 PM »

I still don't understand the part about the lady who asked Dio if he would consider wearing coloured shirts so that he can get the girl, as if to say that it is extremely important to the girl that her future husband wears coloured shirts.

And then Dio says that he would consider wearing a coloured shirt, so long as a television is not allowed in the house.

I just don't get it.

What if the girl says that Dio doesn't have to wear coloured shirts, so long as she can watch TV...would that be acceptable?

I don't understand it either.

Differences are something that gets hammered out as part of the dating process.

If the television is not allowed, maybe she'd like a little color to look at, since she's gonna be ironing fourteen of the fucking things a week.

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