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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: Shadowtheweak on April 14, 2011, 11:56:57 PM
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*There is no blood or gore, but it's very disturbing
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX5kwVc9IOk[/youtube]
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Tom from NH would cream his jeans if he saw this.
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It's difficult to really make me angry, but this kind of shit really does it.
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I wonder though, why was the guy being pulled over in the first place?
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Gun in the room. All the guy did was refuse to cooperate, I see no problem with that. The cop replies with threats of violence and pointing his gun at the gentleman. I figure he was within his right to fire on the police officer, I know most people would shoot when some thug is threatening them.
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I wouldn't want to get into a pistol vs. rifle gun fight if I had the pistol.
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I wouldn't want to get into a pistol vs. rifle gun fight if I had the pistol.
Maybe if he was stupid and forgot to put the magazine in his rifle, then yeah.
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I wonder though, why was the guy being pulled over in the first place?
I read through lots of posts on the youtube comment section and it seems as if he was pulled over for speeding in the 90mph plus range.
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Gun in the room. All the guy did was refuse to cooperate, I see no problem with that. The cop replies with threats of violence and pointing his gun at the gentleman. I figure he was within his right to fire on the police officer, I know most people would shoot when some thug is threatening them.
This "thug" repeatedly refrained from using threats and violence against this man, if I watched the same video. The vet threatened him physically, then went to his truck and pulled out a weapon, then appeared to load, then brandished it at the officer. The whole time, the officer restrained himself. Dinkheller did not deserve to lose his life over this asshole.
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I wonder though, why was the guy being pulled over in the first place?
I read through lots of posts on the youtube comment section and it seems as if he was pulled over for speeding in the 90mph plus range.
Oops :lol:
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The whole time, the officer restrained himself.
In this rare instance, thats where he fucked up. What was he thinking? Its not often you'll to get me to take a cops side, but this is one of those one in a million deals.
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I'm assuming that the cop's lights/sirens (assuming he used them to pull this guy over) weren't meant to just be a suggestion, and that if this guy had ignored him, the officer would have escalated things. I do believe the cop was using force/threat of force, and it's hard for me to feel sorry for people when they get themselves into trouble doing this.
I'm surprised the cop didn't shoot him sooner. There seemed to be a large window between when the cop started insisting that the vet put down his gun, and when the officer first fired.
Seems sad to me. Though I do believe the world would be a better place if all aggressors met this end.. I assume both the cop, and the vet, are dead now, and that seems unnecessary. A shame.
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I assume both the cop, and the vet, are dead now, and that seems unnecessary. A shame.
I assume the vet is enjoying taxpayer funded digs right about now, sitting in a loony bin somewhere.
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You're entering into contested ground with the agressor argument.
One of the perks of Western civilization is that we (meaning the multitude of individuals, Wian) can have disagreements and resolve disputes w/o shooting at each other constantly. The near constant violence in the middle east and africa help none of the people there. Ending lives should be a last ditch solution.
The vet was on death row, last update I saw.
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That's the problem with wearing that outfit, though. Why would anyone give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply were looking to have a discussion? How long did it take before the cop started issuing commands? Who would assume that this person's profession was irrelevant, and that it was just a guy making requests?
The vet escalated things, and if he were dealing with a normal person, it would have been pretty indefensible for him to actually use force when, and in the way, that he did before trying to just leave the situation. However, cops don't typically make requests, and then leave people alone when they don't comply. Again, it's sad, but this is bound to happen when one treats people this way (or affiliates with groups that are known to do so).
I'm not saying that the vet was a harmless person, or that I would have made the choices he did.. However, there are consequences to being affiliated with dangerous thugs. In a free society, those who threatened people into pulling over, etc., and those who were so quick to fire at them, would likely not live very long.
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That's the problem with wearing that outfit, though. Why would anyone give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply were looking to have a discussion? How long did it take before the cop started issuing commands? Who would assume that this person's profession was irrelevant, and that it was just a guy making requests?
The vet escalated things, and if he were dealing with a normal person, it would have been pretty indefensible for him to actually use force when, and in the way, that he did before trying to just leave the situation. However, cops don't typically make requests, and then leave people alone when they don't comply. Again, it's sad, but this is bound to happen when one treats people this way (or affiliates with groups that are known to do so).
I'm not saying that the vet was a harmless person, or that I would have made the choices he did.. However, there are consequences to being affiliated with dangerous thugs. In a free society, those who threatened people into pulling over, etc., and those who were so quick to fire at them, would likely not live very long.
All good points, and I'm not excusing the force aspect of law enforcement against harmless individuals. The truth of the matter, though, is that the vet was driving on a road owned by the government and was imposing excess risk on others using the same road. That's the principle behind the traffic stop. Complain all you want about government monopoly of transportation, but whipping a rifle out and shooting somebody, anybody is almost never excusable.
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Lothar, if I understand you correctly, the Officer, was being aggressive by pulling someone over for speeding (est. 90 mph in a different post). I failed to see any of his actions as aggressive so that must be what your talking about, please clarify. You further go on to say that you believe the world would be better if all aggressors were met with this type of end. So in other words, more violence, to deal with what you perceive to be violence, is the end all answer?
Bottom line, assuming the 90 mph were true, the officer is paid to stop people from this illegal speed. Obviously, the guy in the truck, he has issues, and shouldn't have been driving anyway. Or, to use your logic, by his aggressive driving, the police officer should have simply rammed him and knocked him off the road at 90 mph, hopefully killing the aggressive nutcase behind the wheel; Aggression met with Aggression, making the world a better place.
I believe most would call that war. Are you advocating that we are at war with the police, and that we should be allowed to act in any manner we so chose no matter what other non-police affiliated citizens have to Say about it? Whether your beliefs are motivated by religious, political, media-infused, or for profit sects, in no way explains what this guy did as excusable. Nor does it give any viable defense for shooting someone simply because they pulled you over for your aggressive driving.
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So in other words, more violence, to deal with what you perceive to be violence, is the end all answer?
No, I think he means to say that if the system weren't in place where you have a authority vs compliant slave mentality between cops and regular folks, the situation wouldn't have presented itself in the first place.
The whole "armed society is a polite society" thing taken to the extreme. The anarchist side of me tends to agree.
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I don't believe it is that simple. How can we expect to be treated as individuals, if we won't allow ourselves to see each case individually. What I mean to say is, sure we could agree that in some situations the authority (the man) vs. slave mentality exists. However, we would then have to say, "it also does not exist for every single situation." In this situation Lothar said the cop was aggressive, for simply pulling this guy over. As a, free thinking, individual, citizen of this country, I say the driver was being very aggressive with his automobile, and as a taxpayer (whether that's my choice or not) this officer pulled him over and was doing exactly what our tax dollars intended for him to do. Should he have been killed for that? Lothar said he believes that all aggressors should meet this end, why is he not addressing the driver of that automobile, should he had been killed for his aggressive driving from the officer? Or, does he mean that a non-police official, regular Joe, should be the only one allowed to kill the aggressive driving Vet ?
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How do you know for sure that the driver was being aggressive just because he was going 90 mph? Maybe he was perfectly capable of driving at that speed and maintaining control. I'm not saying that was the case, but the burden of proof would fall on the person making the claim that he in fact was driving dangerously.
They always make driving laws in favor of the lowest common denominator. Some 19 yr old cunt crashes her car into someones house because she couldn't handle half a beer and all of the sudden, everyone pays for it with a .08 BAC?. Is that right?
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As an individual, I am choosing to believe that 90 mph is excessive on a non-racetrack road. Just as you, as an individual, can make the assumption he was driving perfectly. That means, both of us could choose to completely disagree with the driving, and whether or not it was aggressive. I'm not a cop, just an old electrician, as I assume that you are not paid by tax dollars, and I could be dead wrong. At any rate, who gets to decide which opinion would be correct?
For the record, I stated in a previous post, assuming the original poster was correct about the driver going 90 mph and that is why he was pulled over. I have no way of knowing. I am simply saying if that poster was correct, then 90 mph is excessive on a highway. Now he had been driving a truck equipped with all the safety features I used to have in my 4x4 when I raced, and no houses, or other traffic not equipped with such features, were not evident on the highway, then I would have said "go for it". The officer is supposed to uphold the law, not be the law. In this individual case, from that video, I did not see him being the law. I saw him trying to uphold the law.
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Which brings us right back to where we started................. :P
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How do you know for sure that the driver was being aggressive just because he was going 90 mph? Maybe he was perfectly capable of driving at that speed and maintaining control. I'm not saying that was the case, but the burden of proof would fall on the person making the claim that he in fact was driving dangerously.
They always make driving laws in favor of the lowest common denominator. Some 19 yr old cunt crashes her car into someones house because she couldn't handle half a beer and all of the sudden, everyone pays for it with a .08 BAC?. Is that right?
90 mph, whether you're capable of handling it, imposed greater risk than the same person going 60 mph. Risks have costs. I agree that many traffic laws are overbearing, but if everyone is planning for 60 mph (the speed limit or average expected rate of traffic flow), 90 mph is imposing more risk on a drive than that person wanted or expected. Either way, it's splitting hairs. Being an asshole cop and a fucking. murder. are two separate things.
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Gxser, Lt., The cops are letting their buddies taze old ladies and kill children with little or no accountability, I am not going to cry a river if one gets caught up in his own violent world. When a cop kills a innocent person, no one cares so I won't care when a innocent cop gets killed for fucking with someone with no apparent victim.
But, yes the cop was just doing his job.
So was every other cop in history including the police in Europe during WW2.
When the police start showing some humanity as a institution maybe they will deserve respect, as it stands they generally just follow orders from whoever is in charge- blindly, and they always have.
Fun Fact: it was the regular cops that did a lot of the Jew rounding up in the axis countries in WW2. Most were not punished at all after the taking of Berlin.
They didn't even lose their fucking jobs.
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This cop wasn't killed by alcohol, he was killed because some jackass decided he didn't want a ticket. Is that right? Now we get to pay for morons stay in prison, on deathrow (from what you said), all of his 20 years worth of appeals, his lawyers, the cops family and pay because he was killed in the line of duty, the prosecutors, the judges, the support bills (electric, gas, water, clothes, etc... ) that guy will use, and so on. Yeah that was so much better than simply taking a ticket for driving 90 mph which is against the law, and most normal people would agree was quite excessive for a non-race vehicle on a public highway, or rural road, or neighborhood street. Just because a car can go 90 doesn't mean that it should. Just because a gun can kill people, does not mean it should.
At what limit do you consider driving to be aggressive? 95, 100, 120 , 140 mph? The fastest I have ever been, on a freeway, was 162 mph at 3 a.m. on my bike. This was after I had been racing for the past 16 hours. I can tell you right now, that was excessive, and yes, it was aggressive. But, to use your logic, since I did not wreck, or didn't lose control, I was perfectly safe. I can tell you now, it was completely unsafe what I was doing, and would have deserved a ticket had they caught me. Just because we can jump off a building does not mean we should. Simply because we can push a button, and start a nuclear holocaust, does not mean that button should be pushed. At some point common sense for the common good has to take over.
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If a cop hadda get killed, it would have been better for it to have been during a home invasion(swat team drug bust) not a lunatic traffic stop.
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90 mph, whether you're capable of handling it, imposed greater risk than the same person going 60 mph. Risks have costs. I agree that many traffic laws are overbearing, but if everyone is planning for 60 mph (the speed limit or average expected rate of traffic flow), 90 mph is imposing more risk on a drive than that person wanted or expected. Either way, it's splitting hairs. Being an asshole cop and a fucking. murder. are two separate things.
Well, I know some old folks that cant handle 60 mph without being a danger to others. Maybe we should make the speed limit 25 mph on the interstate...............for everyone, ya know, just to make sure everyone is safe.
I agree, the asshole cop didn't DESERVE to die....... that was terrible what happened, but in a sort of roundabout way, he had it coming. I say "had it coming" because that is what our society has bred. Not making excuses for the A=hole vet.......... just saying. You choose to be a cop, odds are you might be dealing with nutjobs like that. Same for military, firemen, even my job working on radio towers. Dangerous stuff. If you cant deal with the possibility, be an icecream man. If grandma gets too close to a lions cage and the lion somehow gets his claw far enough outside to hook on to her clothes, and he bites her head off................. she had it coming. She didn't deserve it by any means, but......................
I hope you understand the difference im trying to make clear here.
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Gxser, Lt., The cops are letting their buddies taze old ladies and kill children with little or no accountability, I am not going to cry a river if one gets caught up in his own violent world. When a cop kills a innocent person, no one cares so I won't care when a innocent cop gets killed for fucking with someone with no apparent victim.
But, yes the cop was just doing his job.
So was every other cop in history including the police in Europe during WW2.
When the police start showing some humanity as a institution maybe they will deserve respect, as it stands they generally just follow orders from whoever is in charge- blindly, and they always have.
Fun Fact: it was the regular cops that did a lot of the Jew rounding up in the axis countries in WW2. Most were not punished at all after the taking of Berlin.
They didn't even lose their fucking jobs.
I'm sorry, but fuck you. I care when any innocent person gets killed. I haven't in any way excused murder by anybody. Your view of no apparent victim is simplistic and the motorcycle point above me points this out very well. Also, to judge Mr. Dinkheller for the actions of other men he has never associated with is collectivist and immoral. This man was murdered.
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Nobody is innocent. We're all fucking animals. We'll eat each other if it lets one of us live. We all set standards for ourselves, morals, beliefs, all that fuzzy stuff. Very few 100% adhere to our own rules completely. Best you can hope for is to encounter only good people in your travels.
Thats the most you can hope for.
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Gun in the room. All the guy did was refuse to cooperate, I see no problem with that. The cop replies with threats of violence and pointing his gun at the gentleman. I figure he was within his right to fire on the police officer, I know most people would shoot when some thug is threatening them.
He attacked the officer when he walked up to him. The guy was going 98 mph when he pursued him. This one of the good cops out there, he didn't use force until the guy went back to his truck and pulled a gun. He died because he didn't want to hurt him.
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Gun in the room. All the guy did was refuse to cooperate, I see no problem with that. The cop replies with threats of violence and pointing his gun at the gentleman. I figure he was within his right to fire on the police officer, I know most people would shoot when some thug is threatening them.
He attacked the officer when he walked up to him. The guy was going 98 mph when he pursued him. This one of the good cops out there, he didn't use force until the guy went back to his truck and pulled a gun. He died because he didn't want to hurt him.
well fucking said! Brains do rule!
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Mike,
I completely understand what your saying. What I think is being left out, is the individual nature of what happened. OK so let's say for argument sake, we all believe, all cops are assholes. We have then lowered ourselves to what we perceive to be their level. From what you are all saying is because one does something, then one of them deserves to die. How can we expect to be viewed on an individual basis , if we, are not willing to do the exact same thing we are preaching.
Like you all, I have seen some disgusting displays by officers all over the country. However, I have also seen many many more, displays of officers doing their job in a positive manner. So have you all. Just because the cops view this guy as a murderer, does that mean we are all murderers if we are not cops? Just because some sickass cop Tazers a 70 yr. old grandmother, does that mean every cop is a complete sicko douchebag who Tazers 70 year old grandmother's?
You are advocating for free individualism, but, you are viewing everything, that you do not like, as one big whole. How in the world is this logical? All I am saying is this cop did not deserve to die from some jackass who didn't want a ticket, based on this individual case, my free individual opinion, of this individual police officer.
One of the biggest problems with this country, people want to preach individuality as it only pertains to them, and their beliefs; allowing media, religion, and politics to take away our freedom to think as individuals.
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Gxser, Lt., The cops are letting their buddies taze old ladies and kill children with little or no accountability, I am not going to cry a river if one gets caught up in his own violent world. When a cop kills a innocent person, no one cares so I won't care when a innocent cop gets killed for fucking with someone with no apparent victim.
But, yes the cop was just doing his job.
So was every other cop in history including the police in Europe during WW2.
When the police start showing some humanity as a institution maybe they will deserve respect, as it stands they generally just follow orders from whoever is in charge- blindly, and they always have.
Fun Fact: it was the regular cops that did a lot of the Jew rounding up in the axis countries in WW2. Most were not punished at all after the taking of Berlin.
They didn't even lose their fucking jobs.
:shock: what the fuck is wrong with you? You're taking a huge leap with that comment, this individual cop is in no comparison to what you're stating. He obviously wasn't a violent tazer happy cop and to lump him in with the rest is just a juvenile thing to think.
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well, your haircut looks pretty fucking juvenile to me dude.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAh5RJ38Ew&feature=related[/youtube]
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He was supposed to be put to death in 2003 but he's been filing appeals for years. The last one I saw was a habeas petition in 2009. He'll probably end up rotting in a cell for the remainder of his life. He's still trying to claim it was a PTSD incident and that he was having a Nam' flashback (Yeah thats why he systematically shot Dinkheller's arms and legs in a suppressive fire fashion assuming that he was wearing a vest....)
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He was supposed to be put to death in 2003 but he's been filing appeals for years. The last one I saw was a habeas petition in 2009. He'll probably end up rotting in a cell for the remainder of his life. He's still trying to claim it was a PTSD incident and that he was having a Nam' flashback (Yeah thats why he systematically shot Dinkheller's arms and legs in a suppressive fire fashion assuming that he was wearing a vest....)
he shot the cop's arms and legs?
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I am making no judgement calls here on someone deserving to live or die in this situation. I, in fact, do think that ALL cops are assholes. If not for the direct reason that they are assholes themselves, then instead for the reason that they might be "good guys" yet stand idly by while actual asshole cops around them do their asshoish deeds and do nothing about it.
The cop in the video knew the possibilites of dealing with psychopaths like the vietnam vet when he took the job. He balanced that reality with the desire to "protect and serve" He weighed the pros n cons and made a conscious decision to be a cop anyway. I think it was a poor decision. I wont live my life feeling sorry for people that make poor decisions in life. It's too large an emotional burden for me to take on, worrying about every schmuck with a 5 dollar badge that wants to play hero to the world. The real victims here, in my opinion are the cops family members that had nothing to do with the bad decision for their dad or husband to become a cop in the first place. Feel bad for them, definitely.
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damn shadow, what a controversial vid!
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well, your haircut looks pretty fucking juvenile to me dude.
old photo :roll:
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i'm not even willing to post one of me!
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He was supposed to be put to death in 2003 but he's been filing appeals for years. The last one I saw was a habeas petition in 2009. He'll probably end up rotting in a cell for the remainder of his life. He's still trying to claim it was a PTSD incident and that he was having a Nam' flashback (Yeah thats why he systematically shot Dinkheller's arms and legs in a suppressive fire fashion assuming that he was wearing a vest....)
he shot the cop's arms and legs?
Yeah he hit the arms and legs before he reloaded and did one last rush shooting the final bullet through his right eye.
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fuckin maniac
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjZW_F4iuqo&feature=fvwrel[/youtube]
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fuckin maniac
redneck mutha! live by the sword die by the sword!
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Mike, I will respectively, agree to disagree with you. I do not believe all cops are assholes. I further do not believe all human beings are assholes. To lump any group simply because of what a smaller sect has done is wrong, in my opinion, and directly conflicts with my belief that we are all individuals trying to make our way. You have made solid points in your argument, but, some of those points have left out the fact this was not a societal killing, it was one individual. Therein lies the problem. We both have a sense that the system is overtly aggressive against individuals in this country. What I am saying is that not everyone within this system should be held accountable by the few that live and die by the system mandates. Unfortunately, the few once again are outweighing the many. I am choosing to not allow that to sway my opinion about the whole. I am not allowing media, religion, political agenda, cultural views, or subcultural experiences to change my opinion.
At worst, most people in the world are psychotic lunatics, hell bent on destroying the planet earth. At best, my opinion is dead-on. In reality, to be an individual, one has to apply individual thinking to every situation first. That is a burden I am going to fight to carry with me until my dying breath. The alternative, my opinion becomes an extended viewpoint of some one else, devoid of any critical thought of my own. See just about any middle eastern country's government for details on how this has panned out.
For the record, this has been a valuable and informative debate, and for that I appreciate it.
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I am making no judgement calls here on someone deserving to live or die in this situation. I, in fact, do think that ALL cops are assholes. If not for the direct reason that they are assholes themselves, then instead for the reason that they might be "good guys" yet stand idly by while actual asshole cops around them do their asshoish deeds and do nothing about it.
The cop in the video knew the possibilites of dealing with psychopaths like the vietnam vet when he took the job. He balanced that reality with the desire to "protect and serve" He weighed the pros n cons and made a conscious decision to be a cop anyway. I think it was a poor decision. I wont live my life feeling sorry for people that make poor decisions in life. It's too large an emotional burden for me to take on, worrying about every schmuck with a 5 dollar badge that wants to play hero to the world. The real victims here, in my opinion are the cops family members that had nothing to do with the bad decision for their dad or husband to become a cop in the first place. Feel bad for them, definitely.
Now you've confirmed your completely biased point of view. I too have a healthy distrust of police officers and people in authoritative positions, but to say ALL cops are assholes is a blanket term. I could use that same exact argument of the cop taking on a dangerous job to when a protestor gets abused by a police officer. "Well they knew the police were violent and they knew what they were in for why should I feel bad?" etc... I'm not asking anyone to worship this guy as a hero.
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He was supposed to be put to death in 2003 but he's been filing appeals for years. The last one I saw was a habeas petition in 2009. He'll probably end up rotting in a cell for the remainder of his life. He's still trying to claim it was a PTSD incident and that he was having a Nam' flashback (Yeah thats why he systematically shot Dinkheller's arms and legs in a suppressive fire fashion assuming that he was wearing a vest....)
he shot the cop's arms and legs?
When apprehended and questioned, he aimed everywhere but the chest, where he knew a vest would be. Man is sick.
Also, Mike, your views on this are inherently collectivist and come with all of the flaws inherent in that description.
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summa you guys are off the rails here.
i live/grew up in the same sorta-small town....(pop. now 14K, i think......mebbe we hit ''city'', i dunno)
i've known most of the cops here, since i started being a teenage driving/partying menace in 1979.
i still know a handful of the newer guys, and have seen many come & go.
(i was an xtra in a movie w/ one of 'em ....jumanji...in 1996)
i've only seen a coupla real douchebags in this time...and they got fired, or resigned...1 or 2 in disgrace
that being said, NONE of those/these guys (even the shitty ones....they got shit-canned over non-violent stuff....1 lied about a degree to get xtra jingle, 1 got caught red-handed loading produce/dairy products into the back of the cruiser in the wee hours)
deserve the kind of shit that went down in this video.
po-dunk deputy was ill-trained.
a fuckin statie or city cop woulda been on his 2nd clip the second the nutter emerged w/ a weapon.
he didn't deserve it.
if crazy-man plowed into YOUR mini-van loaded w/ YOUR wife & kids & injured or, god forbid, killed even one of your'n, you'd be shooting up the police station if you found out the copper let this guy go about his delusional business @ 98 MPH....and chose not to ''interfere'' w/ his ''freedom''.
so, come-the-fuck-off-it
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Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.
Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.
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mad max it is, then.
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Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.
Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.
I think you've missed or ignored the entire individualist argument made by several of the participants here.
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mad max it is, then.
No, Soviet Union.
Mad Max would be progress.
Lt. You didn't address my point either.
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if crazy-man plowed into YOUR mini-van loaded w/ YOUR wife & kids & injured or, god forbid, killed even one of your'n, you'd be shooting up the police station if you found out the copper let this guy go about his delusional business @ 98 MPH....and chose not to ''interfere'' w/ his ''freedom''.
so, come-the-fuck-off-it
Wouldn't matter to me if he was going 98 MPH or 20 MPH. I'd want my revenge just the same. Not against the cop either (he's blameless), but against the fucker that did it regardless of the speed he was driving.
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Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.
Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.
damn, I think I know Alaric (with his non-agression stance) would not have done what the asshole vet did - hell the vet might even claim his stupid military training/experience led to this crap- so lay off my bud~
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Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.
Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.
damn, I think I know Alaric (with his non-agression stance) would not have done what the asshole vet did - hell the vet might even claim his stupid military training/experience led to this crap- so lay off my bud~
Alaric,
I still think you're wrongheaded, but I apologize for the 'fuck you'. If you want an excuse, see my first post in this thread.
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Ok, now that thats all settled and everyones gotten this shit out of their systems, can we all just agree now that all cops are assholes, but dont deserve to die for it? :P
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Wish I could say I felt bad about it.
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yes mike
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Gxser, Lt., The cops are letting their buddies taze old ladies and kill children with little or no accountability, I am not going to cry a river if one gets caught up in his own violent world. When a cop kills a innocent person, no one cares so I won't care when a innocent cop gets killed for fucking with someone with no apparent victim.
But, yes the cop was just doing his job.
So was every other cop in history including the police in Europe during WW2.
When the police start showing some humanity as a institution maybe they will deserve respect, as it stands they generally just follow orders from whoever is in charge- blindly, and they always have.
Fun Fact: it was the regular cops that did a lot of the Jew rounding up in the axis countries in WW2. Most were not punished at all after the taking of Berlin.
They didn't even lose their fucking jobs.
I'm sorry, but fuck you. I care when any innocent person gets killed. I haven't in any way excused murder by anybody. Your view of no apparent victim is simplistic and the motorcycle point above me points this out very well. Also, to judge Mr. Dinkheller for the actions of other men he has never associated with is collectivist and immoral. This man was murdered.
He's not innocent. He's a cop. He supports the violence of the state. Maybe he didn't deserve to die, but let's not canonize his dead stinking ass.
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Ok, now that thats all settled and everyones gotten this shit out of their systems, can we all just agree now that all cops are assholes, but dont deserve to die for it? :P
YES
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Maybe he didn't deserve to die, but let's not canonize his dead stinking ass.
Might as well. Not like he's gonna feel it or nothin'
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/man-cannon-news-1.jpg)
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Maybe he didn't deserve to die, but let's not canonize his dead stinking ass.
Might as well. Not like he's gonna feel it or nothin'
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/man-cannon-news-1.jpg)
He's not headed for the water; that sand is gonna sting.
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Unless he's a dead cop...then he's not gonna feel it.
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Maybe he didn't deserve to die, but let's not canonize his dead stinking ass.
Might as well. Not like he's gonna feel it or nothin'
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/man-cannon-news-1.jpg)
Umm...I think that would be cannon-ize. ;-)
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Yeah, thats what you meant.
Right?
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Unless he's a dead cop...then he's not gonna feel it.
Studying the trajectory, he looks like he'll be impaled on one of those wind-break posts.
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Umm...I think that would be cannon-ize. ;-)
jesus-fucking-christ
i knew that was coming
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Yeah, thats what you meant.
Right?
I'm telling you I didn't mean "cannon-ize." I meant:
verb [ trans. ] (often be canonized)
(in the Roman Catholic Church) officially declare (a dead person) to be a saint : he was the last English saint to be canonized prior to the Reformation.
• figurative regard as being above reproach or of great significance : we have canonized freedom of speech as an absolute value overriding all others.
• accept into the literary or artistic canon [as adj. ] : a familiar, canonized writer.
• sanction by Church authority.
Umm...I think that would be cannon-ize. ;-)
jesus-fucking-christ
i knew that was coming
Fuck you...up the ass...with a Louisville Slugger.
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if crazy-man plowed into YOUR mini-van loaded w/ YOUR wife & kids & injured or, god forbid, killed even one of your'n, you'd be shooting up the police station if you found out the copper let this guy go about his delusional business @ 98 MPH....and chose not to ''interfere'' w/ his ''freedom''.
so, come-the-fuck-off-it
Wouldn't matter to me if he was going 98 MPH or 20 MPH. I'd want my revenge just the same. Not against the cop either (he's blameless), but against the fucker that did it regardless of the speed he was driving.
point is, mike-o
nigga, most likely, aint gonna kill your kin at 20 mph.....laws of physics n' all
@ 98......a twitch at the wheel by a bat-shit-crazy viet-nam vet, hmmmm. the logistics change a wee bit, no?
so deputy-dog, doin' what most of us i spose (or not, in this crowd) would want him to do,
tries to pull the reins in on capt. fuck-all.
you know.......slow him down
GET HIM THE FUCK OFF THE ROAD & back on his meds, maybe?
at 20......we would laff our asses off at jingle-bells doin' the cuckoo's-nest dance
at 100..........nigga needs a shut-down.
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& ken
right back at ya
suck my balls a blue stroke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeaMr2EBvmw&feature=related
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& ken
right back at ya
suck my balls a blue stroke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeaMr2EBvmw&feature=related
Can't fucking hear ya, with your own cock in your mouth.
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I hear ya Dragline.
My only argument would be, based on what you just said, that if speed is an issue, why not set the speed limit at a point where car crashes wouldn't be deadly, if that is the main goal of speed limits? Cuz at 65 mph, youre just as dead-as-fuck as someone going 95 if you hit an oak tree, or another car coming towards you the opposite way. 65 or 95 wont matter much. Sure, you can argue that some people wont have time to react when pulling out into traffic when theres a guy going 100 mph down the road youre trying to get on. You can also argue that an 80 yr old lady pulling out of the church parking lot will have that same delay in reaction time with a guy on the road only going 50.
I guess what im trying to say is that, for me it all comes down to this lowest common denominator shit making the rules. Maybe I just dont give a fuck about slow people who cant deal. Slow reaction time? Stay off the god damn roads then.
Pretty harsh I know.
PS - If I was king of this country, there would be no speed limits, but if you messed someone up, or killed someone due to the speed you were driving, you get thrown on "the island" with the murderers. I think people might think a little harder about what speed they feel they can drive safe at.
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Can't fucking hear ya, with your own cock in your mouth.
nice comeback, potts
pick that up in 8th grade?
almost as good as,
''oh, yeah?????? your momma''
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This is what DragQueen brings to the table:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/profile/?u=3813;sa=showPosts (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/profile/?u=3813;sa=showPosts)
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jeez ken-ken
you really got me there......
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watch this
ken the nigga in the white shirt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5-vsTxKUkM&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dbitch%2Bslap%26aq%3Df&has_verified=1
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I hear ya Dragline.
My only argument would be, based on what you just said, that if speed is an issue, why not set the speed limit at a point where car crashes wouldn't be deadly, if that is the main goal of speed limits? Cuz at 65 mph, youre just as dead-as-fuck as someone going 95 if you hit an oak tree, or another car coming towards you the opposite way. 65 or 95 wont matter much. Sure, you can argue that some people wont have time to react when pulling out into traffic when theres a guy going 100 mph down the road youre trying to get on. You can also argue that an 80 yr old lady pulling out of the church parking lot will have that same delay in reaction time with a guy on the road only going 50.
I guess what im trying to say is that, for me it all comes down to this lowest common denominator shit making the rules. Maybe I just dont give a fuck about slow people who cant deal. Slow reaction time? Stay off the god damn roads then.
Pretty harsh I know.
PS - If I was king of this country, there would be no speed limits, but if you messed someone up, or killed someone due to the speed you were driving, you get thrown on "the island" with the murderers. I think people might think a little harder about what speed they feel they can drive safe at.
The point is the risk. Risk has cost. If the rate of traffic on a road is usually around 65, people calculate and prepare for that level of risk. Whatever the arbitrary number is, whether set by daily routines (as is the case with hwy 75 on the east coast) or set by some stupid bureaucrat, the vet was imposing extra, nonconsensual costs on other drivers. (A real life manifestation of this is how auto insurance rates differ based on region.)
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Your point is well taken. I just wish the limit was higher, say around 120. People would get used to it eventually. Sure, there would be a transition period and accidents would go up, but thats the price of progress. I hear what you're saying though.
Speaking of points, I've often though it would be a great idea for car manufacturers to install a 6" razor sharp spike, built right into the steering wheel, about 6" away from the driver, aimed directly at his chest, standard equip on all makes and models. I think Mark or somebody actually mentioned something of that nature on FTL before. Imagine how much more respect for driving safety people would have if they knew they would be impaled to the backrest if they carelessly hit something, instead of a cushy air bag popping out to save them. :P "Suuuure, drive as fast as you want............ just watch out for that pesky spike, or there'll be hell to pay sonny!!"
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Your point is well taken. I just wish the limit was higher, say around 120. People would get used to it eventually. Sure, there would be a transition period and accidents would go up, but thats the price of progress. I hear what you're saying though.
Speaking of points, I've often though it would be a great idea for car manufacturers to install a 6" razor sharp spike, built right into the steering wheel, about 6" away from the driver, aimed directly at his chest, standard equip on all makes and models. I think Mark or somebody actually mentioned something of that nature on FTL before. Imagine how much more respect for driving safety people would have if they knew they would be impaled to the backrest if they carelessly hit something, instead of a cushy air bag popping out to save them. :P "Suuuure, drive as fast as you want............ just watch out for that pesky spike, or there'll be hell to pay sonny!!"
Silly boy.
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someones gotta be
might as well be me