Cop Killed By Crazy Vietnam Vet [Graphic Video]

[Gxser]

Mike, I will respectively, agree to disagree with you. I do not believe all cops are assholes. I further do not believe all human beings are assholes. To lump any group simply because of what a smaller sect has done is wrong, in my opinion, and directly conflicts with my belief that we are all individuals trying to make our way. You have made solid points in your argument, but, some of those points have left out the fact this was not a societal killing, it was one individual. Therein lies the problem. We both have a sense that the system is overtly aggressive against individuals in this country. What I am saying is that not everyone within this system should be held accountable by the few that live and die by the system mandates. Unfortunately, the few once again are outweighing the many. I am choosing to not allow that to sway my opinion about the whole. I am not allowing media, religion, political agenda, cultural views, or subcultural experiences to change my opinion.

At worst, most people in the world are psychotic lunatics, hell bent on destroying the planet earth. At best, my opinion is dead-on. In reality, to be an individual, one has to apply individual thinking to every situation first. That is a burden I am going to fight to carry with me until my dying breath. The alternative, my opinion becomes an extended viewpoint of some one else, devoid of any critical thought of my own. See just about any middle eastern country's government for details on how this has panned out.

For the record, this has been a valuable and informative debate, and for that I appreciate it.

[Shadowtheweak]

I am making no judgement calls here on someone deserving to live or die in this situation.  I, in fact, do think that ALL cops are assholes. If not for the direct reason that they are assholes themselves, then instead for the reason that they might be "good guys" yet stand idly by while actual asshole cops around them do their asshoish deeds and do nothing about it.

The cop in the video knew the possibilites of dealing with psychopaths like the vietnam vet when he took the job. He balanced that reality with the desire to "protect and serve" He weighed the pros n cons and made a conscious decision to be a cop anyway. I think it was a poor decision. I wont live my life feeling sorry for people that make poor decisions in life. It's too large an emotional burden for me to take on, worrying about every schmuck with a 5 dollar badge that wants to play hero to the world. The real victims here, in my opinion are the cops family members that had nothing to do with the bad decision for their dad or husband to become a cop in the first place. Feel bad for them, definitely.

Now you've confirmed your completely biased point of view.  I too have a healthy distrust of police officers and people in authoritative positions, but to say ALL cops are assholes is a blanket term.  I could use that same exact argument of the cop taking on a dangerous job to when a protestor gets abused by a police officer.  "Well they knew the police were violent and they knew what they were in for why should I feel bad?" etc...  I'm not asking anyone to worship this guy as a hero.

[LTKoblinsky]

He was supposed to be put to death in 2003 but he's been filing appeals for years.  The last one I saw was a habeas petition in 2009.  He'll probably end up rotting in a cell for the remainder of his life.  He's still trying to claim it was a PTSD incident and that he was having a Nam' flashback (Yeah thats why he systematically shot Dinkheller's arms and legs in a suppressive fire fashion assuming that he was wearing a vest....)

he shot the cop's arms and legs?

When apprehended and questioned, he aimed everywhere but the chest, where he knew a vest would be. Man is sick.

Also, Mike, your views on this are inherently collectivist and come with all of the flaws inherent in that description.

[Riddler]

summa you guys are off the rails here.
i live/grew up in the same sorta-small town....(pop.  now 14K, i think......mebbe we hit ''city'', i dunno)
i've known most of the cops here, since i started being a teenage driving/partying menace in 1979.
i still know a handful of the newer guys, and have seen many come & go.
(i was an xtra in a movie w/ one of 'em ....jumanji...in 1996)
i've only seen a coupla real douchebags in this time...and they got fired, or resigned...1 or 2 in disgrace
that being said, NONE of those/these guys (even the shitty ones....they got shit-canned over non-violent stuff....1 lied about a degree to get xtra jingle, 1 got caught red-handed loading produce/dairy products into the back of the cruiser in the wee hours)
deserve the kind of shit that went down in this video.
po-dunk deputy was ill-trained.
a fuckin statie or city cop woulda been on his 2nd clip the second the nutter emerged w/ a weapon.
he didn't deserve it.
if crazy-man plowed into YOUR mini-van loaded w/ YOUR wife & kids & injured or, god forbid, killed even one of your'n, you'd be shooting up the police station if you found out the copper let this guy go about his delusional business @ 98 MPH....and chose not to ''interfere'' w/ his ''freedom''.
so, come-the-fuck-off-it

[alaric89]

Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.

Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.

[Riddler]

mad max it is, then.

[LTKoblinsky]

Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.

Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.

I  think you've missed or ignored the entire individualist argument made by several of the participants here.

[alaric89]

mad max it is, then.

No, Soviet Union.
Mad Max would be progress.

Lt. You didn't address my point either.

[Turd Ferguson]

if crazy-man plowed into YOUR mini-van loaded w/ YOUR wife & kids & injured or, god forbid, killed even one of your'n, you'd be shooting up the police station if you found out the copper let this guy go about his delusional business @ 98 MPH....and chose not to ''interfere'' w/ his ''freedom''.
so, come-the-fuck-off-it

Wouldn't matter to me if he was going 98 MPH or 20 MPH. I'd want my revenge just the same. Not against the cop either (he's blameless), but against the fucker that did it regardless of the speed he was driving.

[Fred]

Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.

Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.

damn, I think I know Alaric (with his non-agression stance) would not have done what the asshole vet did - hell the vet might even claim his stupid military training/experience led to this crap- so lay off my bud~

[LTKoblinsky]

Since you decided I should fuck myself Lt., why should I believe cops or anybody else is special? I never said I got any pleasure out of a cop dying or anything. I do care about the children being feeled up by the TSA. I do care about innocent people who are caught in the cross fire. I just don't care so much when a soldier or a guard dies in the line of duty he volunteered for.
And it is getting fucking annoying that every damn cop I hear about dying this sort of way was a saint.

Dragline: The only ass whooping I ever let slide was from five cops that some bouncers called on me.
Monopoly on force. I'll buy your drivel when some other gang gives me more than 5 minutes of trouble and a bit of exercise. That gang of men in blue cost me a weeks pay and a police record for mouthing off to some chicken shit bouncers who just rolled my friend.

damn, I think I know Alaric (with his non-agression stance) would not have done what the asshole vet did - hell the vet might even claim his stupid military training/experience led to this crap- so lay off my bud~

Alaric,
I still think you're wrongheaded, but I apologize for the 'fuck you'. If you want an excuse, see my first post in this thread.

[Turd Ferguson]

Ok, now that thats all settled and everyones gotten this shit out of their systems, can we all just agree now that all cops are assholes, but dont deserve to die for it?

[Cognitive Dissident]

Wish I could say I felt bad about it.

[Fred]

yes mike

[Cognitive Dissident]

Gxser, Lt., The cops are letting their buddies taze old ladies and kill children with little or no accountability, I am not going to cry a river if one gets caught up in his own violent world. When a cop kills a innocent person, no one cares so I won't care when a innocent cop gets killed for fucking with someone with no apparent victim.
But, yes the cop was just doing his job.
So was every other cop in history including the police in Europe during WW2.
When the police start showing some humanity as a institution maybe they will deserve respect, as it stands they generally just follow orders from whoever is in charge- blindly, and they always have.
Fun Fact: it was the regular cops that did a lot of the Jew rounding up in the axis countries in WW2. Most were not punished at all after the taking of Berlin.
They didn't even lose their fucking jobs.

I'm sorry, but fuck you. I care when any innocent person gets killed. I haven't in any way excused murder by anybody.  Your view of no apparent victim is simplistic and the motorcycle point above me points this out very well. Also, to judge Mr. Dinkheller for the actions of other men he has never associated with is collectivist and immoral. This man was murdered.

He's not innocent.  He's a cop.  He supports the violence of the state.  Maybe he didn't deserve to die, but let's not canonize his dead stinking ass.