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Title: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Tom Foppiano on January 08, 2011, 03:28:21 PM
I am sad to write that violence has been initiated against a seemingly innocent group of individuals and a congresswoman AND a Federal Judge. Aside from the initial violence that took place in Arizona, I am concerned with the law(s) that I presume will pass to "remedy" the situation.

For instance, if a scary looking weapon was used in the killings, the Federal Assault Weapons ban may be passed again.

What do you guys and gals think may come down the pipe way?
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: BonerJoe on January 08, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
Well, I doubt force was *initiated* by the shooter against the Congresscunt. The other people, yeah he probably initiated it.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 08, 2011, 03:42:20 PM
This will not end well.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Tom Foppiano on January 08, 2011, 03:44:58 PM
Well, I doubt force was *initiated* by the shooter against the Congresscunt. The other people, yeah he probably initiated it.

Agreed. I should have made that more clear.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 08, 2011, 03:56:29 PM
This guy committed murder.  Hang him high.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: BonerJoe on January 08, 2011, 03:57:11 PM
You should read up more about guns, the AWB did not ban automatic weapons. They are already regulated under another Federal law.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 08, 2011, 04:15:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uRjwPWaxiY

This guy's youtube channel.  Appears he went a bit mobiledigit.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Tom Foppiano on January 08, 2011, 04:19:14 PM
You should read up more about guns, the AWB did not ban automatic weapons. They are already regulated under another Federal law.

You are correct. The law banned semi autos! Regardless of the fact that I didn't write that the law banned automatic weapons, I have changed the post so that no one else is confused by the formerly tricky wording.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Pizzly on January 08, 2011, 05:21:07 PM
Obviously we need to bomb Iran.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: LTKoblinsky on January 08, 2011, 10:22:23 PM
the article I read managed to bring assault rifles into the issue. Apparently, the shooter used a gun. One of the congresswoman's opponents in the recent election was a tea party ier who has a picture on his website portraying him holding an AR15, which is also a gun. The article stated that any connection between the former opponent and shooter is unknown.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 08, 2011, 10:32:55 PM
I'll admit. I chuckled a bit when I heard the news.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: libertylover on January 09, 2011, 12:03:43 AM
Really a thread like this should have some links to the story about the shooting.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013885784_giffordsshot09.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013885784_giffordsshot09.html) 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/usa-arizona (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/usa-arizona)
The guardian article is way leftist in their delivery about the incident.  Interesting how the writer goes off into a tangent about the increase in militias as being one of the reasons for the shooting.  With no evidence whatsoever.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Pizzly on January 09, 2011, 12:17:49 AM
Really a thread like this should have some links to the story about the shooting.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013885784_giffordsshot09.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013885784_giffordsshot09.html) 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/usa-arizona (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/usa-arizona)
The guardian article is way leftist in their delivery about the incident.  Interesting how the writer goes off into a tangent about the increase in militias as being one of the reasons for the shooting.  With no evidence whatsoever.

Given the shooter was a liberal, the leftist media obviously has to try and blame the more conservative and libertarian groups.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: davann on January 09, 2011, 01:25:09 AM
Obviously we need to bomb Iran.

This situation makes the case fairly clear. Bomb Iran.

I chuckled too at the headline but was saddened when I hit the part about the 9 year old girl. Not cool.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: libertylover on January 09, 2011, 01:52:34 AM
Really a thread like this should have some links to the story about the shooting.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013885784_giffordsshot09.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013885784_giffordsshot09.html) 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/usa-arizona (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/09/usa-arizona)
The guardian article is way leftist in their delivery about the incident.  Interesting how the writer goes off into a tangent about the increase in militias as being one of the reasons for the shooting.  With no evidence whatsoever.

Given the shooter was a liberal, the leftist media obviously has to try and blame the more conservative and libertarian groups.

Link where did you read or hear that the shooter was or is a liberal?  The media is really burying that information if it is true.  Did I miss it in the articles I linked?
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Tom Foppiano on January 09, 2011, 01:58:56 AM


Link where did you read or hear that the shooter was or is a liberal?  The media is really burying that information if it is true.  Did I miss it in the articles I linked?

I don't have a link, but I heard on several news channels that one of his "favorite books" from his myspace page was the Communist Manifesto..........Oh and another was Mein Kampf. So, imo that makes him a statist for sure.

But, you can't see his myspace page anymore because the feds had it taken down. Gee thats weird!
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: voodoo on January 09, 2011, 02:43:34 AM
Boing Boing (which is about the only sober news aggregation/analysis there is anymore):

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/08/giffords-shooter-jar.html
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On Twitter, Caitie Parker of Oro Valley, AZ is claiming to have gone to high school and college with Loughner, and adds that she's been out of touch with him since 2007. She described his persona during high school as "left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."

I highly recommend these YouTube videos.  The nutty is tangible, and there's no "did I just see that?" after taste.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: cavalier973 on January 09, 2011, 01:37:57 PM
Also of interest is that Congresswoman Gifford subscribed to his Youtube channel;  she was only subscribed to two channels, the shooter's and some other politico.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

The question is, when did she (or someone) subscribe to the shooter's channel?

There was an accomplice, apparently, for which the police are searching:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5V8xJdYHA&feature=player_embedded
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Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: cavalier973 on January 09, 2011, 03:01:47 PM
Interesting...she voted to audit the Federal Reserve:
http://giffords.house.gov/fiscal-responsibility.shtml
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Pizzly on January 09, 2011, 03:32:39 PM
Because of this, the vote to retract the healthcare act has been postponed.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Fred on January 09, 2011, 03:55:38 PM
Also of interest is that Congresswoman Gifford subscribed to his Youtube channel;  she was only subscribed to two channels, the shooter's and some other politico.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

 the shooter's facebook?
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: cavalier973 on January 09, 2011, 05:40:15 PM
Also of interest is that Congresswoman Gifford subscribed to his Youtube channel;  she was only subscribed to two channels, the shooter's and some other politico.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

 the shooter's facebook?


Yes.  She subscribed to the Youtube channel of the guy who shot her.  There's some speculation whether she did it herself, or whether friends/family/staff members did it after the shooting.  There are some on libertyforest.com who swear that they saw the archived Youtube site that showed she had subscribed to his channel in early December.
Title: FTL: Shot congresswoman was violent too
Post by: DadaOrwell on January 09, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFwcUjjyJCQ

Free Talk Live's politically incorrect discussion, now illustrated.   What crackdowns on innocents will occur as part of the backlash against this shooter?  And was the gunman's congressional target aggressively violent in her own, "acceptable" way?
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 10, 2011, 01:06:09 AM
Maybe he didn't like jews. She was a jew.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 10, 2011, 01:21:29 PM
Maybe he didn't like jews. She was a jew.

No, she wasn't.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 10, 2011, 02:02:27 PM
Maybe he didn't like jews. She was a jew.

No, she wasn't.

Whever.

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/gabrielle_giffords

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/jewish_members_of_congress
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 10, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Maybe he didn't like jews. She was a jew.

No, she wasn't.

Whever.

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/gabrielle_giffords

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/jewish_members_of_congress

Her Wikipedia says its her father that's Jewish, not her mother, therefore, she is not Jewish.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: BonerJoe on January 10, 2011, 02:39:09 PM
Maybe he didn't like jews. She was a jew.

No, she wasn't.

Whever.

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/gabrielle_giffords

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/jewish_members_of_congress

Her Wikipedia says its her father that's Jewish, not her mother, therefore, she is not Jewish.

Haha, I figured it was some technicality...you silly boy.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 10, 2011, 04:33:49 PM
Did you ever tell Sam Gunn he is not a Jew?
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: anarchir on January 10, 2011, 04:42:53 PM
Maybe he didn't like jews. She was a jew.

No, she wasn't.

Whever.

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/gabrielle_giffords

http://www.njdc.org/site/page/jewish_members_of_congress

Her Wikipedia says its her father that's Jewish, not her mother, therefore, she is not Jewish.

Yet another reason why religion is retarded.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: hellbilly on January 10, 2011, 04:43:21 PM
Does she self-identify as a Jew?

There's also a good link on Drudge right now that brings up a good point about the "let's not jump to conclusions" attitude regarding the Ft. Hood shooter ('cause he is Muslim) versus the rush to tag this shooter as a "Rightwinger".

As far as I know, no laws were pitched to curb gun rights after the Ft. Hood shooting but now a couple politicians seem eager to do so.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/journalists-urged-caution-after-ft-hood-now-race-blame-palin-afte
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 10, 2011, 04:49:24 PM
Does she self-identify as a Jew?
Yes. She attends Temple Emanu-El in Tucson.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: hellbilly on January 10, 2011, 04:50:28 PM
Does she self-identify as a Jew?
Yes. She attends Temple Emanu-El in Tucson.

There ya have it then.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Tom Foppiano on January 10, 2011, 06:43:22 PM
So......this is upsetting to me. I live in California where I already have far too many infringements on my right to own weapons.

And now MORE gun regulations are soon to be proposed that will affect all of the people who reside in Obama's claimed dominion. Well, they will affect all of us who don't have government connections, as it is certain that the secret service will always be able to carry high capacity magazines to protect His Holiness. I guess that my life and the lives of us normal people aren't worth protection.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/10/arizona-rampage-reignites-gun-control-debate-dc/
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 10, 2011, 11:52:28 PM
Something no one has pointed out yet. Schizophrenia is a late onset mental disease. People don't develop it till their twenties. This guy could have had a totally normal childhood with friends and everything, while his sanity began slipping away.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: cavalier973 on January 10, 2011, 11:54:12 PM
Just saw this:
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

"A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed."
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: voodoo on January 11, 2011, 12:01:58 AM
Just saw this:
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

I don't know what's better - the article or the comments.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Terror Australis on January 11, 2011, 07:43:00 AM
I suppose they will round up all that guys twitter followers next....
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: SeanD on January 11, 2011, 01:14:26 PM
Just saw this:
http://www.eutimes.net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/

"A Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the top US Federal Judge for the State of Arizona was assassinated barely 72-hours after he made a critical ruling against the Obama administrations plan to begin the confiscation of their citizen’s private retirement and banking accounts in order to stave off their nations imminent economic collapse, and after having the US Marshals protecting him removed."

Sounds like (S)Hillary may have had him "Fostered".
































Not really but as long as everyone is throwing all the shit out there.........
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Fred on January 11, 2011, 01:16:44 PM
 :D  fostered!  shit
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: YixilTesiphon on January 11, 2011, 01:39:03 PM
You can read the guy's posts (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread591520/pg1) (Erad3) on ATS. He was just plain crazy like the woman who called FTL several years ago worrying about gases being snuck to her through her floorboards, all the people trying to connect it with us or with conservatives are just opportunistic assholes.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: NightFlight on January 11, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
Wow! According to the comments on the below link, Jared Loughner was Jewish, also. Both Giffords and Loughner's mother attended the same synagogue.

http://forward.com/articles/134547/

But still the MSM wants so badly to make it seem that the tragedy was caused by a white tea party-ist!

Found it here, also:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-is-jewish_22234.html#more-22234
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Terror Australis on January 11, 2011, 10:17:02 PM
Protip: it will be blamed on marijuana.

Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Brooklyn Red Leg on January 11, 2011, 10:43:18 PM
Protip: it will be blamed on marijuana.

Yea, asshole David Frum already made that 'connection' in his blog earlier this week. Like others have said, I miss the good old days when they blamed Marilyn Manson and 'violent' videogames cause it was easy to laugh off their stupidity.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 11, 2011, 11:42:37 PM
Does she self-identify as a Jew?



This is getting annoying.

If I identify myself as a Vanderbilt, do  I become a Vanderbilt?

What if I think of myself as a tablesaw? Does that make me a tablesaw?
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: John Shaw on January 12, 2011, 01:04:52 AM
I hate to piss all over your shoes because you're an alright cat, but...

Does she self-identify as a Jew?



This is getting annoying.

If I identify myself as a Vanderbilt, do  I become a Vanderbilt?

What if I think of myself as a tablesaw? Does that make me a tablesaw?

Nope, but if you self identify as a Muslim, Christian, Jehova's Witness, Hindu, Mormon, Wiccan, Satanist, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Taoist, Shintoist, Catholic, Norse pagan, Greek pagan, Druid, Seventh Day Adventist, Christian Scientist, Scientologist, Voodoo, Gnostics, or whatever else, then that's what people accept you as.

And the same goes for Jews. Or let's say - Sephardic Jews, Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews, Reform Jews, Neolog Jews, Humanist Jews, Reconstructionist...

She's a Jew because she practices something other people agree is Judaism.

Gonna try to be as nice about this as possible...

There's a reason that there is a growing contingent of people out there who think that religion is bullshit. Nobody's stories jibe and it's all a bunch of opinions about the same thing with nothing to back it up.

1. Where did everything come from?
2. Why are we here?
3. How should we act?
4. What happens after we die?

Look at a bunch of religions and get the answer to those questions. You'll have a hoot.

And as Heinlein said so well - "One man's religion is another man's belly laugh."
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: John Shaw on January 12, 2011, 05:11:44 AM
But it isn't *just* religion, it is peculiar to the Jewish religion.

The Jewish religious law talks about "race" in a way that no other religions do.

For example, people aren't described as being
Quote
Muslim, Christian, Jehova's Witness, Hindu, Mormon, Wiccan, Satanist, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Taoist, Shintoist, Catholic, Norse pagan, Greek pagan, Druid, Seventh Day Adventist, Christian Scientist, Scientologist, Voodoo, Gnostics, or whatever else
just because one of their immediate ancestors happened to be a member of any of those groups, amirite?

So what you're saying is that no one who converts to Judaism is a Jew, is that right?

I can introduce you to a hell of a lot of Jews who'd disagree.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 12, 2011, 09:42:46 AM
Quote from: Diogenes The Cynic link=topic=35821.msg623435#msg623435
Her Wikipedia says its her father that's Jewish, not her mother, therefore, she is not Jewish.

Besides Dio, most jews seem to accept those who go thru a formal conversion as being Jewish.

Also, reform Jews don't take such a hardcore stance on who is Jewish.

http://convert.org/Conversion_Process.html

Quote

10. A SPECIAL CASE: THE CONVERSION OF MINORS
 
Minors can be converted. In families with a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father, the child is considered Jewish by the Reform movement if the child is brought up engaging in public acts of identification with Judaism. Orthodox and Conservative Judaism, however, do not regard such a child as legally Jewish. Parents of such children can if they wish have their children converted in infancy because the process is quite simple. While some would consider this a surrender to pressure especially from the Orthodox and refuse to do it, others see it as a way to get recognition of the child's Jewishness by additional segments of the Jewish people. Reform rabbis often simply have a naming ceremony. Orthodox and Conservative rabbis require the mikveh for a female minor and a circumcision and mikveh for a male minor.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Ecolitan on January 12, 2011, 09:45:35 AM
Does she self-identify as a Jew?



This is getting annoying.

If I identify myself as a Vanderbilt, do  I become a Vanderbilt?

What if I think of myself as a tablesaw? Does that make me a tablesaw?

This is getting annoying.  Your silly rules about who is accepted into your ethnic\religious club come from a book the rest of us Don't recognize as an authority.  Why would you expect us to?  Fuckin fuck you for insisting I and the rest of the world choose to communicate as if your ridiculous superstitions aren't  completely meaningless.  Save that shit to discuss amongst your Jew pals.  No one comes here to be told the way most of the world recognizes ethnic/religious distinctions is annoying to you Jews who would have us all change our ways to fall in line with your stupid old book.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: YixilTesiphon on January 12, 2011, 01:20:07 PM
Wow! According to the comments on the below link, Jared Loughner was Jewish, also. Both Giffords and Loughner's mother attended the same synagogue.

http://forward.com/articles/134547/

But still the MSM wants so badly to make it seem that the tragedy was caused by a white tea party-ist!

Found it here, also:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-is-jewish_22234.html#more-22234

Seriously? DavidDuke.com?

WTF.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: hellbilly on January 12, 2011, 06:39:58 PM
Wow! According to the comments on the below link, Jared Loughner was Jewish, also. Both Giffords and Loughner's mother attended the same synagogue.

http://forward.com/articles/134547/

But still the MSM wants so badly to make it seem that the tragedy was caused by a white tea party-ist!

Found it here, also:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-is-jewish_22234.html#more-22234

Seriously? DavidDuke.com?

WTF.

Shootin' the messenger?

Duke has just as much right as anyone else to write an article. I come across links to his stuff rarely, but when I have read his posts they always contain an honest perspective, if not under-reported facts.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 12, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
But it isn't *just* religion, it is peculiar to the Jewish religion.

The Jewish religious law talks about "race" in a way that no other religions do.

For example, people aren't described as being
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Muslim, Christian, Jehova's Witness, Hindu, Mormon, Wiccan, Satanist, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Taoist, Shintoist, Catholic, Norse pagan, Greek pagan, Druid, Seventh Day Adventist, Christian Scientist, Scientologist, Voodoo, Gnostics, or whatever else
just because one of their immediate ancestors happened to be a member of any of those groups, amirite?

So what you're saying is that no one who converts to Judaism is a Jew, is that right?

I can introduce you to a hell of a lot of Jews who'd disagree.

No, I'm not saying that.  Just pointing out that the idea of race has a place in Judaism unlike other religions.
Not really, it's more ancestry.  Judaism is not a race, it's a religion, and can be considered an ethnicity.  Saying Judaism is a race is like saying that Mexicans are a different race from Guatemalans.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 12, 2011, 10:15:56 PM
Wow! According to the comments on the below link, Jared Loughner was Jewish, also. Both Giffords and Loughner's mother attended the same synagogue.

http://forward.com/articles/134547/

But still the MSM wants so badly to make it seem that the tragedy was caused by a white tea party-ist!

Found it here, also:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-is-jewish_22234.html#more-22234

Seriously? DavidDuke.com?

WTF.

Shootin' the messenger?

Duke has just as much right as anyone else to write an article. I come across links to his stuff rarely, but when I have read his posts they always contain an honest perspective, if not under-reported facts.
David Duke is a bigoted asshole.  Maybe he's said some true things, I don't know, but just looking at his website shows clear anti-semitism all over the main page.  Not cool.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 12, 2011, 10:19:56 PM
David Duke is a bigoted asshole.  Maybe he's said some true things, I don't know, but just looking at his website shows clear anti-semitism all over the main page.  Not cool.
David Duke is a realist.  :P
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 12, 2011, 10:51:06 PM
David Duke is a bigoted asshole.  Maybe he's said some true things, I don't know, but just looking at his website shows clear anti-semitism all over the main page.  Not cool.
David Duke is a realist.  :P
Pretty sure he's just a bigot.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 12, 2011, 11:24:42 PM
Quote from: Diogenes The Cynic link=topic=35821.msg623435#msg623435
Her Wikipedia says its her father that's Jewish, not her mother, therefore, she is not Jewish.

Besides Dio, most jews seem to accept those who go thru a formal conversion as being Jewish.

Also, reform Jews don't take such a hardcore stance on who is Jewish.

http://convert.org/Conversion_Process.html

Quote

10. A SPECIAL CASE: THE CONVERSION OF MINORS
 
Minors can be converted. In families with a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father, the child is considered Jewish by the Reform movement if the child is brought up engaging in public acts of identification with Judaism. Orthodox and Conservative Judaism, however, do not regard such a child as legally Jewish. Parents of such children can if they wish have their children converted in infancy because the process is quite simple. While some would consider this a surrender to pressure especially from the Orthodox and refuse to do it, others see it as a way to get recognition of the child's Jewishness by additional segments of the Jewish people. Reform rabbis often simply have a naming ceremony. Orthodox and Conservative rabbis require the mikveh for a female minor and a circumcision and mikveh for a male minor.


Conversion is valid, provided its performed by an Orthodox Rabbi.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 13, 2011, 12:12:56 AM
Does she self-identify as a Jew?



This is getting annoying.

If I identify myself as a Vanderbilt, do  I become a Vanderbilt?

What if I think of myself as a tablesaw? Does that make me a tablesaw?

This is getting annoying.  Your silly rules about who is accepted into your ethnic\religious club come from a book the rest of us Don't recognize as an authority.  Why would you expect us to?  Fuckin fuck you for insisting I and the rest of the world choose to communicate as if your ridiculous superstitions aren't  completely meaningless.  Save that shit to discuss amongst your Jew pals.  No one comes here to be told the way most of the world recognizes ethnic/religious distinctions is annoying to you Jews who would have us all change our ways to fall in line with your stupid old book.

This is getting annoying.

They're not my rules, for one. The rules are the religions.

Does the local university have admission guidelines? How about the closest bowling league? I'm sure the closest masonic lodge, elks club, and rotary club all have some rules about who is a member, and who isn't. Is that silly? Depends on how important you think it is to be a student, mason, or elk. If you were an existing student, mason, or elk, you would probably think it was quite important. Face it, all social groupings have membership rules. That's the way it is.

As for you being angry, I gotta tell you. I am not the fundamentalist-fascist you're looking for. I don't live my life looking down on you because I don't really care what you're doing. I don't get why you're so fucking angry. Its like I ever did anything, or said anything to you. Maybe other people said stuff to you that you don't like, but that's not a logical reason to take it out on me. I am not them.

Fuck dude, I mean, who does it help that you're angry?

If you don't like the topic, take it up with blackie for bringing it up. I was clearing up a misconception he started.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Ecolitan on January 13, 2011, 09:27:48 AM

This is getting annoying.

They're not my rules, for one. The rules are the religions.

 I'm not mentalist-fascist you're looking for.

Yes you are.  Why else would you continue to insist the rest of us define words according to your religion?

Fuck you and your fucking religion I will continue to use modern English the way the rest of us do completely without regard to your religious dictates.  Who the fuck do you think you are to use your stupid old book to tell me how to define words?  I'm not interested in your stupid old book.

If I said that Mormons believe extramarital  sex was second to murder on the sin scale no one would care.  If I asked everyone to define it as such in their daily communication I'd  be an idiot and an asshole.

We all know you have strict rules about who gets to be one of gods chosen people.  You seem not to realize the rest of us have no inclination or obligation to give a flying fuck about you and your rules.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 13, 2011, 12:13:35 PM
What's getting annoying is that this thread got turned into a discussion of Judaism, rather than of the psychotic killer that the media want to use as an excuse to persecute people whose principles they fear.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 13, 2011, 02:31:44 PM

This is getting annoying.

They're not my rules, for one. The rules are the religions.

 I'm not mentalist-fascist you're looking for.

Yes you are.  Why else would you continue to insist the rest of us define words according to your religion?

Fuck you and your fucking religion I will continue to use modern English the way the rest of us do completely without regard to your religious dictates.  Who the fuck do you think you are to use your stupid old book to tell me how to define words?  I'm not interested in your stupid old book.

If I said that Mormons believe extramarital  sex was second to murder on the sin scale no one would care.  If I asked everyone to define it as such in their daily communication I'd  be an idiot and an asshole.

We all know you have strict rules about who gets to be one of gods chosen people.  You seem not to realize the rest of us have no inclination or obligation to give a flying fuck about you and your rules.


Its funny how rabidly angry you are towards any discussion tangentially related to religion that you stop making sense, and start frothing at the mouth. Seriously, who touched you when you were little? I don't even think you realize I'm talking on a lexicographical topic, and you're not.

If I called myself a professional bowler, would I become one? What if I said I was a tablesaw?

By your logic, people become whatever they call themselves, and to hell with convention. BTW, after this, you can call me Dr. Cync, or Tablesaw The Cynic. The real world, however has parameters for defining things. You wanna BE a mason? Join a lodge. If you think you're a professional bowler, and the governing association says you're not, you're not.

There is another argument going on in the background here, besides how to define things. You being hostile, and you thinking I look down on you.

I don't get your hostility, because I have trouble with the idea of reciprocating anger. You have an attitude towards me because of something from outside of the way I interact with you. That's from your end, really. Why not ambivalence?

Seriously, why not practice ambivalence? Your anger isn't helping you. You don't need any sort of social defense mechanism online, and you're an adult now, so no one is going to do anything to you. I react to you indifferently, because I am. You're an atheist? Good for you. You say fuck old books? Fine, fuck old books by all means then. Old books are stupid. Great.

You see a religious person, and get bent out of shape in a way I can't understand. Its on you really. I can't make you feel inferior or anything, and believe you me, I don't spend a second of my time looking down on people and carrying myself all high and mighty. I'm too ambivalent for that. I'd suggest you read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, but given your attitude to old books, you're probably not going to read it.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: davann on January 13, 2011, 04:47:57 PM
I am a tablesaw. I don't make the rules I just have to live by them. So, I am a tablesaw.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: hellbilly on January 13, 2011, 06:24:58 PM
I am a tablesaw. I don't make the rules I just have to live by them. So, I am a tablesaw.

Phoah! Did your holy book say you were a table saw? Totally rad.

Admiral Gunn- yes, Duke is a bigot. I'm not carrying the torch for the guy, I just get tired of the reactionary shock that most people display when some words of truth manage to break through from one of these socially undesirable folks. You've heard me spout all that stuff out before :)
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: BKO on January 13, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uRjwPWaxiY

This guy's youtube channel.  Appears he went a bit mobiledigit.
Not everybody remembers that ;) And Jesse never shot anybody...but I get your point.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: YixilTesiphon on January 14, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
What's getting annoying is that this thread got turned into a discussion of Judaism, rather than of the psychotic killer that the media want to use as an excuse to persecute people whose principles they fear.

Can't have enough Judaism threads.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 14, 2011, 01:21:57 PM
What's getting annoying is that this thread got turned into a discussion of Judaism, rather than of the psychotic killer that the media want to use as an excuse to persecute people whose principles they fear.

Can't have enough Judaism threads.

Starting one would have been preferable to ruining one.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 14, 2011, 05:43:34 PM
What's getting annoying is that this thread got turned into a discussion of Judaism, rather than of the psychotic killer that the media want to use as an excuse to persecute people whose principles they fear.

Can't have enough Judaism threads.

Starting one would have been preferable to ruining one.
Sweet. I'll start a "who is a jew thead" a little later.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 14, 2011, 05:53:01 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/14/arizona.shooting.investigation/index.html?hpt=T2
Quote
Pima County on Thursday released records saying that Loughner visited the Rio Nuevo One-Stop Career Center in September, but was asked to leave because he was using a video camera and refused to turn it off despite being asked repeatedly. "He pulled a crumpled copy of the Constitution out of his pocket and waved it at me, saying it was his right," a staffer's report on the incident said.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on January 14, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
What's getting annoying is that this thread got turned into a discussion of Judaism, rather than of the psychotic killer that the media want to use as an excuse to persecute people whose principles they fear.

Can't have enough Judaism threads.

Starting one would have been preferable to ruining one.
Sweet. I'll start a "who is a jew thead" a little later.

Isn't there one already?  I thought there was already a thread about practically everything Jewish (pro or con) around here.  As you can tell, I'm not inclined to read it, if it exists.
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: blackie on January 14, 2011, 08:51:49 PM
What's getting annoying is that this thread got turned into a discussion of Judaism, rather than of the psychotic killer that the media want to use as an excuse to persecute people whose principles they fear.

Can't have enough Judaism threads.

Starting one would have been preferable to ruining one.
Sweet. I'll start a "who is a jew thead" a little later.

Isn't there one already?  I thought there was already a thread about practically everything Jewish (pro or con) around here.  As you can tell, I'm not inclined to read it, if it exists.
I don't think so.

I've been trying to keep all my jew topics in this thread:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/hijack-free-zone/it's-time-for-another-jew-thread/

Unless there is already a thread about the topic, like:
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/hijack-free-zone/holocaust-denial

I may have to post in this thread soon, because I have questions for Jews.
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/questions-for-jews/
Title: Re: Congresswoman shot in head
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 15, 2011, 07:56:24 PM
What's getting annoying is that this thread got turned into a discussion of Judaism, rather than of the psychotic killer that the media want to use as an excuse to persecute people whose principles they fear.

Can't have enough Judaism threads.

Starting one would have been preferable to ruining one.
Sweet. I'll start a "who is a jew thead" a little later.
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