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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: Pizzly on March 16, 2011, 04:37:37 PM
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My professor went to a senate meeting for Penn State, and it seems the government wants to cut state appropriations by 52%! From what I understand the university will try to sustan their own economic failures for a few more years, but tuitions will most likely rise at least 30%. I think I'm not going to be able to complete my education if the cost goes up as much as it seems it will, which sucks. As it is, my campus in Berks is busy putting in a whole new building, and just last year they spent 12,000 dollars on moving trees. I remember reading some articles from the Mises Institute on how the next economic bubble is in post secondary education, guess this was coming.
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learn a trade
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You're fine if you're in university now. Its everyone in jr. high thats fucked.
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My advice to you college age people.............
DONT FUCKING PAY THE PRICES THEY WANT!!!!
Then, when they got the hint and saw their classes empty for a few semesters, they would lower the cost of tuition down to market prices, instead of artificially inflated prices due to government covering whatever they demand.
Its pretty simple really.
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My adice to you college age people.............
DONT FUCKING PAY THE PRICES THEY WANT!!!!
Then, when they got the hint and saw their classes empty for a few semesters, they would lower the cost of tuition down to market prices, instead of artificially inflated prices due to government covering whatever they demand.
Its pretty simple really.
Yup.
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People who attend state school should have an additional 3% tax applied to their earnings for life.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
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Cant see this as being anything but a bubble. Glad I'm out of the system.
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Cant see this as being anything but a bubble. Glad I'm out of the system.
I thought you were in a doctoral program.
And, how is the book going?
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You're fine if you're in university now. Its everyone in jr. high thats fucked.
So far I've only been going to the local campus, next year I will have to go up to the main campus which adds a shitload to the price. As it stands, there's a good 50% chance I won't be able to continue my education next year. I know too many people who had to drop out of college for money reasons, and still get crippled with the student loans.
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Cant see this as being anything but a bubble. Glad I'm out of the system.
I thought you were in a doctoral program.
And, how is the book going?
Nope, no doctoral program. I dropped out after 3 semesters of general classes and bullshit. The book is slowly growing, I have a lot of info that needs to be fully typed up. The more stuff I find to put into it, the less likely it seems I'll have it done in my lifetime :)
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What's the topic o' your book?
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What's the topic o' your book?
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/hijack-free-zone/the-question-thread/msg624506/#msg624506
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learn a trade
^^THIS. My Bachelor's degree is basically a paperweight at this point. My Class D Security License is more marketable. Get certificates out the kazoo: CPR, First Aid etc.
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Who wants to get together and start FSPU?
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Who wants to get together and start FSPU?
http://informalu.org/About-Us.php
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College is for losers. (Myself included, unfortunately. I do have a couple of degrees, but I consider that time / money a 100% waste. I already knew more about Computer Science than any of the professors!)
In my field, some good IT certifications (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/the-polling-pit/vendor-specific-it-certifications/) and a portfolio showing practical experience (ex. open source work) would totally replace the need for a degree, and you can achieve that in a fraction of the time, and for an even smaller fraction of the cost. I just wish there were more free market certifications to replace other degrees - science, business, teaching, medical, etc.
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It's likely I'm might have to drop out. I might go back eventually, but the costs are just too crazy. Besides, I wasn't prepared for it emotionally/intellectually. The only problem is that this probably means I'm going to have to start paying back the money I owe, doesn't it?
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The only problem is that this probably means I'm going to have to start paying back the money I owe, doesn't it?
Meh. Most don't. Are they private or gubment loans?
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It's likely I'm might have to drop out. I might go back eventually, but the costs are just too crazy. Besides, I wasn't prepared for it emotionally/intellectually. The only problem is that this probably means I'm going to have to start paying back the money I owe, doesn't it?
Since you don't need college, there is nothing wrong with dropping out. Heck, there is a FSPer in Keene that doesn't have a college degree but is offering jobs which pay $30,000 to $40,000 to folks without college degrees that have excellent criminal and driving records and are nice people that want to drive a truck. He only has 15 or so positions but every 6 months or so another one of those positions opens up. And if you are good, you can move up in the company and become a supervisor making between $40,000 and $50,000 per year.
If you are smart, I recommend learning a trade. It costs b/t nothing and very little to learn many trades. Why are you so into this college thing? You know, if you really want to go to colleges, there are colleges/work programs that don't cost any money all over the US.
It sucks that you went to college even when you weren't prepared for it. Too bad you didn't discover FTL years ago.
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It's likely I'm might have to drop out. I might go back eventually, but the costs are just too crazy. Besides, I wasn't prepared for it emotionally/intellectually. The only problem is that this probably means I'm going to have to start paying back the money I owe, doesn't it?
I dropped out of college after my third semester. I'm now paying back my loans at $50 a month. Its annoying more than anything, given that they constantly fuck up and tell me I have over paid or underpaid when I havent.
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It's likely I'm might have to drop out. I might go back eventually, but the costs are just too crazy. Besides, I wasn't prepared for it emotionally/intellectually. The only problem is that this probably means I'm going to have to start paying back the money I owe, doesn't it?
I dropped out of college after my third semester. I'm now paying back my loans at $50 a month. Its annoying more than anything, given that they constantly fuck up and tell me I have over paid or underpaid when I havent.
You were told this by college educated accountants no less. :lol:
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It's likely I'm might have to drop out. I might go back eventually, but the costs are just too crazy. Besides, I wasn't prepared for it emotionally/intellectually. The only problem is that this probably means I'm going to have to start paying back the money I owe, doesn't it?
I dropped out of college after my third semester. I'm now paying back my loans at $50 a month. Its annoying more than anything, given that they constantly fuck up and tell me I have over paid or underpaid when I havent.
You were told this by college educated accountants no less. :lol:
They'll send me a letter "You didnt pay last month, please pay it now" so I send it in again, then the next month they send me something that says I paid double, so I'm like OK I wont pay this month since they say I owe 0 this month because I paid twice. Then they say I didnt pay again and thus lose some benefit that I didnt know I had in the first place (completely confused by this one) due to not paying.
Sigh.
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The university I'm getting my PhD at (luckily they pay me rather than the other way around) sold its radio station for millions of dollars. They sent around a survey asking what to do with the money, and none of the options were "cut tuition you greedy fucks".
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The government has done a great job at making education cost more than it should. One of the largest problems in today's society is this belief that everyone should attend a college taking classes that have no practical application. Those degrees certainly hold value for some people, though I think that for a large minority or perhaps even a majority of people, a four-year program in liberal arts or what have you is simply a waste of time and money.
I studied economics for four years and ended up as a consultant making good money. My sister studied graphic design for four years and ended up as a waitress and cashier making crappy money and living with my mother. My brother is a year away from graduating with a degree in electrical and computer engineering. He already has a job waiting for him once he's out that should pay very well. The moral of the story? Don't go to a bullshit school, and don't get a bullshit degree. Either one of those will kill the value of your diploma. If you combine them, you're even worse off than someone with only a HS diploma, because they're going to be managing you using the experience they gained working crappy jobs during those four years you were wasting time at school.
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The government has done a great job at making education cost more than it should. One of the largest problems in today's society is this belief that everyone should attend a college taking classes that have no practical application. Those degrees certainly hold value for some people, though I think that for a large minority or perhaps even a majority of people, a four-year program in liberal arts or what have you is simply a waste of time and money.
I studied economics for four years and ended up as a consultant making good money. My sister studied graphic design for four years and ended up as a waitress and cashier making crappy money and living with my mother. My brother is a year away from graduating with a degree in electrical and computer engineering. He already has a job waiting for him once he's out that should pay very well. The moral of the story? Don't go to a bullshit school, and don't get a bullshit degree. Either one of those will kill the value of your diploma. If you combine them, you're even worse off than someone with only a HS diploma, because they're going to be managing you using the experience they gained working crappy jobs during those four years you were wasting time at school.
A waste of time and money to whom?
If somebody thinks its worth it to spend 4 years, and 80k to learn Art History from a Feminist Perspective, then it isn't a waste of anything, and besides, I doubt there is any opportunity cost lost from such a person anyways.
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The government has done a great job at making education cost more than it should. One of the largest problems in today's society is this belief that everyone should attend a college taking classes that have no practical application. Those degrees certainly hold value for some people, though I think that for a large minority or perhaps even a majority of people, a four-year program in liberal arts or what have you is simply a waste of time and money.
I studied economics for four years and ended up as a consultant making good money. My sister studied graphic design for four years and ended up as a waitress and cashier making crappy money and living with my mother. My brother is a year away from graduating with a degree in electrical and computer engineering. He already has a job waiting for him once he's out that should pay very well. The moral of the story? Don't go to a bullshit school, and don't get a bullshit degree. Either one of those will kill the value of your diploma. If you combine them, you're even worse off than someone with only a HS diploma, because they're going to be managing you using the experience they gained working crappy jobs during those four years you were wasting time at school.
A waste of time and money to whom?
If somebody thinks its worth it to spend 4 years, and 80k to learn Art History from a Feminist Perspective, then it isn't a waste of anything, and besides, I doubt there is any opportunity cost lost from such a person anyways.
If they didn't think it was a waste of time and money, they wouldn't be complaining that they can't get any good jobs with their degree in Art History from a Feminist Perspective, would they?
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Step #1 - Get a job as a greeter at Wal Mart. Do this job for 6 months.
Step #2 - Move up to cashier. One year.
Step #3 - Get promoted to Assistant Manager of electronics.
Step #4 - Suck up to General Manager
Step #5 - Get invited to one of their Regional Heidel House Orgy/Business Conferences
Step #6 - Get lots of pictures of the higher-ups snorting coke off hookers asses and make them aware that you have the proof
Step #7 - Get promoted to Regional Logistics Mgr/Sales, making six figures
Now you have a good position under your belt...........sky's the limit for future job interviews.
screw college
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The government has done a great job at making education cost more than it should. One of the largest problems in today's society is this belief that everyone should attend a college taking classes that have no practical application. Those degrees certainly hold value for some people, though I think that for a large minority or perhaps even a majority of people, a four-year program in liberal arts or what have you is simply a waste of time and money.
I studied economics for four years and ended up as a consultant making good money. My sister studied graphic design for four years and ended up as a waitress and cashier making crappy money and living with my mother. My brother is a year away from graduating with a degree in electrical and computer engineering. He already has a job waiting for him once he's out that should pay very well. The moral of the story? Don't go to a bullshit school, and don't get a bullshit degree. Either one of those will kill the value of your diploma. If you combine them, you're even worse off than someone with only a HS diploma, because they're going to be managing you using the experience they gained working crappy jobs during those four years you were wasting time at school.
A waste of time and money to whom?
If somebody thinks its worth it to spend 4 years, and 80k to learn Art History from a Feminist Perspective, then it isn't a waste of anything, and besides, I doubt there is any opportunity cost lost from such a person anyways.
If they didn't think it was a waste of time and money, they wouldn't be complaining that they can't get any good jobs with their degree in Art History from a Feminist Perspective, would they?
If they think of college as a job training institute, then their efforts are a malinvestment. Then again, someone who doesn't consider that isn't that bright to begin with.
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Mother fucking goddam bitch. My tuition I got back will be over 9,500 dollars. That's.... impossible to pay for.
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time to get a lawn care job
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He would, but the Mexicans already snatched all those up...I guess Lou Dobbs is right...
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Guess which state is leading the way by a large margin?
Be loud, be proud. It's New Hampshire.
A review of approved budgets for fiscal year 2012 shows historic cuts in state operating support for four-year public universities. Based on data from 49 states compiled by AASCU, 35 states saw declining state appropriations for public four-year universities compared to fiscal year 2011, contrasted with just eight that received increased funds. Six states had flat funding (see table). There was wide variation, with North Dakota providing the largest increase, at 6.8 percent, and New Hampshire, which witnessed an astonishing 48 percent cut in state appropriations to its public colleges and universities. All told, the collective average change for the states included in the analysis was a negative 6.1 percent. Thirteen states witnessed double-digit decreases.
Following New Hampshire with the most severe reductions were
Arizona (-24 percent)
California (-23 percent)
Washington (-23 percent)
Colorado (-21 percent)
Pennsylvania (-18 percent)
Michigan (-15 percent)
Nevada (-15 percent)
North Carolina (-14 percent)
Oregon (-13 percent)
Ohio (-11 percent)
Wisconsin (-11 percent)
South Dakota (-10 percent)
http://www.congressweb.com/aascu/docfiles/AASCU-StateOutlook-July2011.pdf
I recommend community college for at least 2 years for anyone thinking about going to college unless they can get college for free. I don't wish a large college related debt on anyone but the government shouldn't pay for adults to go to college. I'm glad NH (and not just this year) is out front, leading on this issue.
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48%?!?!?!? HOLY CANOLE! Thats double the next biggest cut! Go NH!
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Daaaaaamn. Thats cool.
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Its all within the confines of the Free State Project.
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It's become obvious I gotta take this year off. I'm feeling kind of sick, not sure how to best tell my parents. It sure as fuck doesn't help my brother is getting married next week, any extra money we had lying around is going towards that.
I honestly never should have gone straight to college, I should have taken some time off after high school. I'm a socially anxious person, and I was about to go up to Penn State main campus this year.
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Every libertarian needs to drop out of college and get a dead end service sector job if the y love liberty! Colleges are wings of the state and pursuing a job in engineering or science is immoral because you need to go to a partially government funded school to do it! Voting is immoral too! Blech.
Dude if you need to take a year off to work and save money to pay tuition then do it. But don't drop outour give up on your dreams regardless of what some idiots or talk show hosts tell you.
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Dude if you need to take a year off to work and save money to pay tuition then do it. But don't drop outour give up on your dreams regardless of what some idiots or talk show hosts tell you.
My problem is that I never really had any dreams. I'm your typical loser, no friends and haven't worked in over a year, living with my parents, etc. I'm a smart guy, was near the top in all my AP classes, but never did clubs or any shit like that. I never really had much of an interest in anything in particular.
There is one reason I went to college, everyone else was (and the easy loans). Everyone in my AP classes were going to college, the teachers all made a fuss about it, and I figured since I'm so great at math and science I might as well do engineering. Got to college, felt like more high school. I'm almost glad I can't pay this tuition, the only problem is that I'm going to have to find a job. The last job interview I went to was over a year ago, I nearly had a panic attack (due to my social anxiety). Right now I'm just so flustered it's not even funny.
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Dude if you need to take a year off to work and save money to pay tuition then do it. But don't drop outour give up on your dreams regardless of what some idiots or talk show hosts tell you.
My problem is that I never really had any dreams. I'm your typical loser, no friends and haven't worked in over a year, living with my parents, etc. I'm a smart guy, was near the top in all my AP classes, but never did clubs or any shit like that. I never really had much of an interest in anything in particular.
There is one reason I went to college, everyone else was (and the easy loans). Everyone in my AP classes were going to college, the teachers all made a fuss about it, and I figured since I'm so great at math and science I might as well do engineering. Got to college, felt like more high school. I'm almost glad I can't pay this tuition, the only problem is that I'm going to have to find a job. The last job interview I went to was over a year ago, I nearly had a panic attack (due to my social anxiety). Right now I'm just so flustered it's not even funny.
I was in a very similar situation a couple of years ago, going to college for no reason. FTL & its BBS made me realize its OK to not be in college throwing my money away on nothing. You're going to have to work on that job problem whether you get a degree or not, might as well take off and find some good work. If you're smart, you'll learn to be competitive in the workplace. Just know it wont be easy. People will constantly ask you what school you are going to, are you just taking a year off, that EVERYONE needs a college degree, etc. I am in the cooking field now and I still have assholes tell my mother right in front of me that I will never get anywhere because I dont have a culinary degree. Fucking bitches dont know shit but they'll still say it.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSTWAK38Pj0&feature=feedrec_grec_index[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSTWAK38Pj0&feature=feedrec_grec_index (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSTWAK38Pj0&feature=feedrec_grec_index)
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I wonder how many people haven't been able to go to college due to the cost?
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I wonder how many people haven't been able to go to college due to the cost?
Seems like most can attend, but not all can afford to finish.
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Mining engineering.
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With a "hee hee hee" and a "Ha huh hoe"
look and see where that money will go....
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/08/the-debt-crisis-at-american-colleges/243777/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/08/the-debt-crisis-at-american-colleges/243777/)
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With a "hee hee hee" and a "Ha huh hoe"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Dg1gdWxAM&t=1m42s
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Guess which state is leading the way by a large margin?
Be loud, be proud. It's New Hampshire.
I recommend community college for at least 2 years for anyone thinking about going to college unless they can get college for free. I don't wish a large college related debt on anyone but the government shouldn't pay for adults to go to college. I'm glad NH (and not just this year) is out front, leading on this issue.
What difference does it make if the school is subsidized by the county or the state? Its all tax funded.
Where I come from, thats called "welfare".
Fuckin' kindergarden in a private school is ten grand, dude.
College is a tad more than that.
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What difference does it make if the school is subsidized by the county or the state? Its all tax funded.
Where I come from, thats called "welfare".
Fuckin' kindergarden in a private school is ten grand, dude.
College is a tad more than that.
Counties in NH don't subsidize college. Before this year, the NH government paid less to subsidize college than any other state. NH cut it's subsidization of government colleges by 48% this year.
I don't know how much kindergarten costs in NH. The average cost per student at a government school in Keene, NH is around $17,000 per year. The average cost per student at a private school in NH is considerably less. The average coast per student at a government college is also less. It is strange that it costs more to send a student to Keene Middle School then Keene State College but maybe Keene Middle School being 100% government funded and Keene State College being mostly privately funded is part of the reason.
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Counties in NH don't subsidize college.
http://www.rivervalley.edu/financialaid.html
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Counties in NH don't subsidize college.
http://www.rivervalley.edu/financialaid.html
I see, so there is a possibility that either of us are correct but my guess is neither of us care enough about the issue to look into it.
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My college tuition has tripled since I started going to school.
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My college tuition has tripled since I started going to school.
Mine went up by a factor of 8 or 10 in the 80s.
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Counties in NH don't subsidize college.
http://www.rivervalley.edu/financialaid.html
I see, so there is a possibility that either of us are correct but my guess is neither of us care enough about the issue to look into it.
No, there is ZERO possibility that you're correct. I did look into it. It took me about ten seconds. Its not like its a big secret where community colleges get a portion of their funding. (aka subsidization)
I donno why you're insisting that the county doesn't contribute.
Heres a hint... If the name of the college or university says "State" in it, or "County", or "Community", its probably tax funded. River Valley is no exception..
Personally, I don't draw any distinction between State and County/Community colleges, for the purposes of this discussion. I'm not talking about the quality of the education in any way, just where the money comes from.
Might wanna cruise Wiki for a bit more elaboration on the topic, since you're allowing yourself to overlook perhaps a billion dollars worth of funding for maybe ~fifty thousand students in your state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_New_Hampshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_System_of_New_Hampshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_College_System_of_New_Hampshire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_university
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_university
Its actually pretty interesting how the educational system works. Its a huge antiquated money hole, and the majority of college educated people have utilized it.
All you have to do is look at the factoid block on any college in Wiki, and note if it says Public or Private. If it's Public, its tax-funded.
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I've often wondered..........
With the majority of people getting degrees in the US now, how is it possible for them all to get upper management positions?
Its like this class here at Richland Community College......... Class for Hospitality Management (hotel manager) 45 people took the course according to my gf and plan on passing. How are they all going to be hotel managers? There are only 5 or so hotels in the immediate area that pay enough to make taking a college course in the field worth while, not to mention that all 5 of those have managers already who I'd imagine plan on staying there into the forseeable future. Now, extrapolate this scenario into about a couple of dozen other fields. Far more people getting degrees than there are positions to fill.
The math doesn't add up.
Somethin's fucky!
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Counties in NH don't subsidize college.
http://www.rivervalley.edu/financialaid.html
I see, so there is a possibility that either of us are correct but my guess is neither of us care enough about the issue to look into it.
No, there is ZERO possibility that you're correct. I did look into it. It took me about ten seconds. Its not like its a big secret where community colleges get a portion of their funding. (aka subsidization)
I donno why you're insisting that the county doesn't contribute.
I am not. I said you may be right. I may be right. I don't know for sure man. I understand that the community colleges in NH are partially funded by the government. I have seem zero evidence that suggest any of the funding comes from the counties, though. If I bothered to look up a county budget or community college budget, I could likely find out for sure. However, neither of us seems willing to spend the time to look it up. I guess this just isn't a big deal to either of us.
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I've often wondered..........
With the majority of people getting degrees in the US now, how is it possible for them all to get upper management positions?
Its like this class here at Richland Community College......... Class for Hospitality Management (hotel manager) 45 people took the course according to my gf and plan on passing. How are they all going to be hotel managers? There are only 5 or so hotels in the immediate area that pay enough to make taking a college course in the field worth while, not to mention that all 5 of those have managers already who I'd imagine plan on staying there into the forseeable future. Now, extrapolate this scenario into about a couple of dozen other fields. Far more people getting degrees than there are positions to fill.
The math doesn't add up.
Somethin's fucky!
I only know about that major because I work with one or two people that have it. They get small time manager positions within wedding/event caterers as well. Not just hotel work but any ass-kissing sort of job.
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You can't cut out the relevant links that don't support your position.
What the fuck dude.
And in fact, that one provided says LOCAL right in it.
And READ the one that says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_College_System_of_New_Hampshire
Which explains the county funding EXPLICITLY.
I cannot spell it out any clearer. You are not reading.
Stop not reading.
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And in fact, that one provided says LOCAL right in it.
And READ the one that says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_College_System_of_New_Hampshire
I cannot spell it out any clearer. You are not reading.
Stop not reading.
Thank you. I totally agree. For example, if you click on that link and do a control + F search the would county doesn't show up. I love it when people post links to something completely different than what is being talked about.
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I've often wondered..........
With the majority of people getting degrees in the US now, how is it possible for them all to get upper management positions?
Its like this class here at Richland Community College......... Class for Hospitality Management (hotel manager) 45 people took the course according to my gf and plan on passing. How are they all going to be hotel managers? There are only 5 or so hotels in the immediate area that pay enough to make taking a college course in the field worth while, not to mention that all 5 of those have managers already who I'd imagine plan on staying there into the forseeable future. Now, extrapolate this scenario into about a couple of dozen other fields. Far more people getting degrees than there are positions to fill.
The math doesn't add up.
Somethin's fucky!
I don't know why more people don't see it this way. Not everyone gets to be the boss. It's never going to happen. Too many people go to college these days, and end up working out of their degree field anyway. Heck most people could be done with school by 8th grade after basic geometry and algebra.
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Kid just got sent a letter by the former Presidential MD, accepted into some sort of pre-college 10-day advanced academics program - based on the recommendation of her guidance councilor. Its worth 2 credits, accepted at most schools.
$2,600
It'd be kinda nice if they ran it by us before they signed her up for stuff. Goddamn letter looked like a wedding invitation.
Now I'm gonna have to pull strings and get that fee waived. How is it possible that I get swamped with the Most Important Shit Ever, every single fucking day?
I need a pill before blood starts squirting out of my ears. I think a DVM costs about a hundred-fifty fuckin' grand.
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My professor went to a senate meeting for Penn State
Where did he touch you?
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Its impossible to tell who you're quoting.
If you use the "quote" button over a specific post, you'll capture the pertinent info. If you copy-paste and use the quote feature, it'll be an anonymous quote.
I'm not being nit-picky, just not sure if you know.
Usually, the anonymous quote is utilized for excerpts from online articles, song lyrics, and things of that nature.
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I'm not being nit-picky, just not sure if you know.
Ya thanks I had no idea.
In other news, single malt scotch is amazing.
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Some group of greenies at my university just held a student vote to establish a "Green Fund" that will be paid for by raising everyone's tuition. One of their main arguments was how much money the school would save by installing energy-efficient lightbulbs and solar panels...well, if it was going to save so much money why did you need to force everyone to pay for it?
I argued with one of the people behind this vote about going with a voluntary approach and soliciting donations from concerned students instead of forcing the whole student body to pay for it and I got the usual nonsense about how this is such a great idea that "everyone SHOULD support it" and I asked "So by SHOULD support it you mean forced to support it, right?". Its not force! We're letting you vote!
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Some group of greenies at my university just held a student vote to establish a "Green Fund" that will be paid for by raising everyone's tuition. One of their main arguments was how much money the school would save by installing energy-efficient lightbulbs and solar panels...well, if it was going to save so much money why did you need to force everyone to pay for it?
Lol at this.
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Some group of greenies at my university just held a student vote to establish a "Green Fund" that will be paid for by raising everyone's tuition. One of their main arguments was how much money the school would save by installing energy-efficient lightbulbs and solar panels...well, if it was going to save so much money why did you need to force everyone to pay for it?
I argued with one of the people behind this vote about going with a voluntary approach and soliciting donations from concerned students instead of forcing the whole student body to pay for it and I got the usual nonsense about how this is such a great idea that "everyone SHOULD support it" and I asked "So by SHOULD support it you mean forced to support it, right?". Its not force! We're letting you vote!
I hate stupid people interfering with my life. When the socialists tried to ban Coca-Cola products on my campus, I launched a campaign to counter them. I don't even drink Coke (or other Coca-Cola products) more than a couple times a year, but I didn't want these idiots to get their way. They were even allowed to use school funds to bring Ray Rogers (http://killercoke.org/speaking_engagements.php) on campus to spew nonsense. I won :)
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Some group of greenies at my university just held a student vote to establish a "Green Fund" that will be paid for by raising everyone's tuition. One of their main arguments was how much money the school would save by installing energy-efficient lightbulbs and solar panels...well, if it was going to save so much money why did you need to force everyone to pay for it?
I argued with one of the people behind this vote about going with a voluntary approach and soliciting donations from concerned students instead of forcing the whole student body to pay for it and I got the usual nonsense about how this is such a great idea that "everyone SHOULD support it" and I asked "So by SHOULD support it you mean forced to support it, right?". Its not force! We're letting you vote!
I hate stupid people interfering with my life. When the socialists tried to ban Coca-Cola products on my campus, I launched a campaign to counter them. I don't even drink Coke (or other Coca-Cola products) more than a couple times a year, but I didn't want these idiots to get their way. They were even allowed to use school funds to bring Ray Rogers (http://killercoke.org/speaking_engagements.php) on campus to spew nonsense. I won :)
Thats awesome.
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I lost trying to prevent a campus ban on cigarettes.
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freeagent, I admire your efforts but I work full time in addition to classes and frankly as popular as this green thing is right now I feel like it would have been a total waste of my efforts. I'm not against solar panels or fancy new lightbulbs. I like some of that stuff. I was against the coercion involved and teaching people that forcing others to pay for your "good ideas" is great.