Christian Anarchy is the only sensible answer...

[ChristianAnarchist]

The very fact that you are calling attention to Him validates His existence. 

By that rationale, Mickey Mouse super-duper exists!

No, Mickey Mouse has not been around for 2000 years and still "followed" (if you can even say that he is followed today).  The "validation" comes from the FACT that all of you keep trying to INVALIDATE the belief in Christ.  If Christ was truly a non-entity as so many of you claim, then certainly after 2000 years, he would have come to be no longer "in style" and he would be only mentioned in passing in some ancient religions class.  No, He is discussed daily throughout the world 2000 years after His death and resurrection.  THIS is what validates His existence.  Even the effort put in to trying to debunk Him does exactly the opposite.  How many ancient beliefs can claim a 2000 year lifespan?  I don't think the Egyptians or the Vulcans (not Spock) can claim to have a strong following after such time.  Confucianism is not really a belief in God but rather a very useful discipline that carries over to many belief systems.  Judaism is certainly able to make the claim to have such a long life, but then Christianity is related to it.  The only other one that can claim some length is Islam but it only numbers in the hundreds of years, not thousands.  And even with that, Muhammad is not discussed as frequently as Christ.  Islam is certainly growing, but the question is will it be around in another 500 or so years?  Who can say.

THE POINT IS - The very fact that we are having this debate 2000 years hence shows that SOMETHING happened and SOMEONE did exist at that time that changed history forever...

And each of you helps to continue the discussion....  Thank you...

[Ghost of Alex Libman]

Leave chronological snobbery to Jews and Hindus, Gene.

And rocks.  Especially zircon, hallowed be its name. 

And more prayer-minutes have been directed toward Allah.

[Rodeen]

The very fact that you are calling attention to Him validates His existence. 

By that rationale, Mickey Mouse super-duper exists!

No, Mickey Mouse has not been around for 2000 years and still "followed" (if you can even say that he is followed today).  The "validation" comes from the FACT that all of you keep trying to INVALIDATE the belief in Christ.  If Christ was truly a non-entity as so many of you claim, then certainly after 2000 years, he would have come to be no longer "in style" and he would be only mentioned in passing in some ancient religions class.  No, He is discussed daily throughout the world 2000 years after His death and resurrection.  THIS is what validates His existence.  Even the effort put in to trying to debunk Him does exactly the opposite.  How many ancient beliefs can claim a 2000 year lifespan?  I don't think the Egyptians or the Vulcans (not Spock) can claim to have a strong following after such time.  Confucianism is not really a belief in God but rather a very useful discipline that carries over to many belief systems.  Judaism is certainly able to make the claim to have such a long life, but then Christianity is related to it.  The only other one that can claim some length is Islam but it only numbers in the hundreds of years, not thousands.  And even with that, Muhammad is not discussed as frequently as Christ.  Islam is certainly growing, but the question is will it be around in another 500 or so years?  Who can say.

THE POINT IS - The very fact that we are having this debate 2000 years hence shows that SOMETHING happened and SOMEONE did exist at that time that changed history forever...

And each of you helps to continue the discussion....  Thank you...

So, if I debated with you that 2+2 doesnt equal 5, you say the fact that I am debating this fact means that I am wrong.  That's fucked up son.....   Thank you....

[Jetfire]

I know you think it is "cute" to restate the common term for "Jeshua" which is "Jesus" as "Jebus" (everyone still following?) but it really is just as accurate as "Jesus" so you cuteness is really not that "cute"...

As stated, the name really should be "Jeshua" or a variant close to that (really, who was there to tell us the exact pronunciation).  So stated any way you want, it is clear that the person (real historical person) you are referring to is the "Messiah", the "Chosen One".  The very fact that you are calling attention to Him validates His existence.  So in that regard even in your attempt to be demeaning, you have achieved the opposite...

Thanks.

what about my genital herpes???????????????????????  he can cure all right???

[Russell Griswold]

The very fact that you are calling attention to Him validates His existence. 

By that rationale, Mickey Mouse super-duper exists!

No, Mickey Mouse has not been around for 2000 years and still "followed" (if you can even say that he is followed today).  The "validation" comes from the FACT that all of you keep trying to INVALIDATE the belief in Christ.  If Christ was truly a non-entity as so many of you claim, then certainly after 2000 years, he would have come to be no longer "in style" and he would be only mentioned in passing in some ancient religions class.  No, He is discussed daily throughout the world 2000 years after His death and resurrection.  THIS is what validates His existence.  Even the effort put in to trying to debunk Him does exactly the opposite.  How many ancient beliefs can claim a 2000 year lifespan?  I don't think the Egyptians or the Vulcans (not Spock) can claim to have a strong following after such time.  Confucianism is not really a belief in God but rather a very useful discipline that carries over to many belief systems.  Judaism is certainly able to make the claim to have such a long life, but then Christianity is related to it.  The only other one that can claim some length is Islam but it only numbers in the hundreds of years, not thousands.  And even with that, Muhammad is not discussed as frequently as Christ.  Islam is certainly growing, but the question is will it be around in another 500 or so years?  Who can say.

THE POINT IS - The very fact that we are having this debate 2000 years hence shows that SOMETHING happened and SOMEONE did exist at that time that changed history forever...

And each of you helps to continue the discussion....  Thank you...

So, if I debated with you that 2+2 doesnt equal 5, you say the fact that I am debating this fact means that I am wrong.  That's fucked up son.....   Thank you....

He's using some kind of an Armenian trickery there...

In all seriousness... A while ago I came to a realization that Gene doesn't really want a debate, but instead just expects unquestionable agreement. He obviously believes all the crap that was fed to him over the years and that seems to make him happy. I honestly don't see any problems with this and I don't even care to argue with him anymore.

[Jetfire]

i find this thread humorous

[JWI]

[jeffersonish]

Just for grins, change the text to read, "FTL Rocks" and submit it as a Shriner.

[ChristianAnarchist]

The very fact that you are calling attention to Him validates His existence. 

By that rationale, Mickey Mouse super-duper exists!

No, Mickey Mouse has not been around for 2000 years and still "followed" (if you can even say that he is followed today).  The "validation" comes from the FACT that all of you keep trying to INVALIDATE the belief in Christ.  If Christ was truly a non-entity as so many of you claim, then certainly after 2000 years, he would have come to be no longer "in style" and he would be only mentioned in passing in some ancient religions class.  No, He is discussed daily throughout the world 2000 years after His death and resurrection.  THIS is what validates His existence.  Even the effort put in to trying to debunk Him does exactly the opposite.  How many ancient beliefs can claim a 2000 year lifespan?  I don't think the Egyptians or the Vulcans (not Spock) can claim to have a strong following after such time.  Confucianism is not really a belief in God but rather a very useful discipline that carries over to many belief systems.  Judaism is certainly able to make the claim to have such a long life, but then Christianity is related to it.  The only other one that can claim some length is Islam but it only numbers in the hundreds of years, not thousands.  And even with that, Muhammad is not discussed as frequently as Christ.  Islam is certainly growing, but the question is will it be around in another 500 or so years?  Who can say.

THE POINT IS - The very fact that we are having this debate 2000 years hence shows that SOMETHING happened and SOMEONE did exist at that time that changed history forever...

And each of you helps to continue the discussion....  Thank you...

So, if I debated with you that 2+2 doesnt equal 5, you say the fact that I am debating this fact means that I am wrong. 

No, we are talking about historical evidence and not mathematical.  The two are dealt with differently.  You cannot "observe" history nor "prove" it with repeatability.  You can only go by interpretation of what little evidence remains.  One of the "evidences" of past events is the impact on cultural norms.  Even this, is not absolute but merely shows a tendency to be true or false.  There are really no absolutes when discussing history unless you were a part of it and can explain what actually happened...

[HOO-HAA]

LOL! Good to see this thread rolling along! 

[Jetfire]

LOL! Good to see this thread rolling along! 

Dude your avatar is hella disturding... its too ungodly for this thread.

[Rodeen]

The very fact that you are calling attention to Him validates His existence. 

By that rationale, Mickey Mouse super-duper exists!

No, Mickey Mouse has not been around for 2000 years and still "followed" (if you can even say that he is followed today).  The "validation" comes from the FACT that all of you keep trying to INVALIDATE the belief in Christ.  If Christ was truly a non-entity as so many of you claim, then certainly after 2000 years, he would have come to be no longer "in style" and he would be only mentioned in passing in some ancient religions class.  No, He is discussed daily throughout the world 2000 years after His death and resurrection.  THIS is what validates His existence.  Even the effort put in to trying to debunk Him does exactly the opposite.  How many ancient beliefs can claim a 2000 year lifespan?  I don't think the Egyptians or the Vulcans (not Spock) can claim to have a strong following after such time.  Confucianism is not really a belief in God but rather a very useful discipline that carries over to many belief systems.  Judaism is certainly able to make the claim to have such a long life, but then Christianity is related to it.  The only other one that can claim some length is Islam but it only numbers in the hundreds of years, not thousands.  And even with that, Muhammad is not discussed as frequently as Christ.  Islam is certainly growing, but the question is will it be around in another 500 or so years?  Who can say.

THE POINT IS - The very fact that we are having this debate 2000 years hence shows that SOMETHING happened and SOMEONE did exist at that time that changed history forever...

And each of you helps to continue the discussion....  Thank you...

So, if I debated with you that 2+2 doesnt equal 5, you say the fact that I am debating this fact means that I am wrong. 

No, we are talking about historical evidence and not mathematical.  The two are dealt with differently.  You cannot "observe" history nor "prove" it with repeatability.  You can only go by interpretation of what little evidence remains.  One of the "evidences" of past events is the impact on cultural norms.  Even this, is not absolute but merely shows a tendency to be true or false.  There are really no absolutes when discussing history unless you were a part of it and can explain what actually happened...

Man, what do you think video is?   There is some serious cognitive dissidence issues at work here Gene.  There is no doG, there is no proof, there is only you.

[ChristianAnarchist]

The very fact that you are calling attention to Him validates His existence. 

By that rationale, Mickey Mouse super-duper exists!

No, Mickey Mouse has not been around for 2000 years and still "followed" (if you can even say that he is followed today).  The "validation" comes from the FACT that all of you keep trying to INVALIDATE the belief in Christ.  If Christ was truly a non-entity as so many of you claim, then certainly after 2000 years, he would have come to be no longer "in style" and he would be only mentioned in passing in some ancient religions class.  No, He is discussed daily throughout the world 2000 years after His death and resurrection.  THIS is what validates His existence.  Even the effort put in to trying to debunk Him does exactly the opposite.  How many ancient beliefs can claim a 2000 year lifespan?  I don't think the Egyptians or the Vulcans (not Spock) can claim to have a strong following after such time.  Confucianism is not really a belief in God but rather a very useful discipline that carries over to many belief systems.  Judaism is certainly able to make the claim to have such a long life, but then Christianity is related to it.  The only other one that can claim some length is Islam but it only numbers in the hundreds of years, not thousands.  And even with that, Muhammad is not discussed as frequently as Christ.  Islam is certainly growing, but the question is will it be around in another 500 or so years?  Who can say.

THE POINT IS - The very fact that we are having this debate 2000 years hence shows that SOMETHING happened and SOMEONE did exist at that time that changed history forever...

And each of you helps to continue the discussion....  Thank you...

So, if I debated with you that 2+2 doesnt equal 5, you say the fact that I am debating this fact means that I am wrong. 

No, we are talking about historical evidence and not mathematical.  The two are dealt with differently.  You cannot "observe" history nor "prove" it with repeatability.  You can only go by interpretation of what little evidence remains.  One of the "evidences" of past events is the impact on cultural norms.  Even this, is not absolute but merely shows a tendency to be true or false.  There are really no absolutes when discussing history unless you were a part of it and can explain what actually happened...

Man, what do you think video is?   There is some serious cognitive dissidence issues at work here Gene.  There is no doG, there is no proof, there is only you.

Even video is not absolute.  There are problems with camera angles, sound distortion, or even tampering with the images or audio.  It is pretty convincing, but it is still not 100%.  "History" is the interpretation of past events using the best method to determine those events.  The most common "evidence" used for determining past events is written testimony.  Less common is archaeological "evidence" which is also not 100%.  A shard of pottery could have come from a plate, or perhaps it was from a stool.  The "art work" on the pottery may be badly deteriorated and needs educational guesses as to how it properly fills in.  These are the variables that are inherent in the problem of figuring out what has happened in the past...

[rabidfurby]

Even video is not absolute.  There are problems with camera angles, sound distortion, or even tampering with the images or audio.  It is pretty convincing, but it is still not 100%.  "History" is the interpretation of past events using the best method to determine those events.  The most common "evidence" used for determining past events is written testimony.  Less common is archaeological "evidence" which is also not 100%.  A shard of pottery could have come from a plate, or perhaps it was from a stool.  The "art work" on the pottery may be badly deteriorated and needs educational guesses as to how it properly fills in.  These are the variables that are inherent in the problem of figuring out what has happened in the past...

I think I see your point, Gene. The truth of a statement really depends only on how long ago the person who wrote it died. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time grasping that.

[ChristianAnarchist]

Even video is not absolute.  There are problems with camera angles, sound distortion, or even tampering with the images or audio.  It is pretty convincing, but it is still not 100%.  "History" is the interpretation of past events using the best method to determine those events.  The most common "evidence" used for determining past events is written testimony.  Less common is archaeological "evidence" which is also not 100%.  A shard of pottery could have come from a plate, or perhaps it was from a stool.  The "art work" on the pottery may be badly deteriorated and needs educational guesses as to how it properly fills in.  These are the variables that are inherent in the problem of figuring out what has happened in the past...

I think I see your point, Gene. The truth of a statement really depends only on how long ago the person who wrote it died. I don't understand why people are having such a hard time grasping that.

Oh yeah.  Since I just wrote this, it's true.  500 years from now it will not be true because it is old...