Christian Anarchy is the only sensible answer...

[eukreign]

I don't see any silliness in coming to the conclusion that for men to write the phrase "we believe these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by thier creator with certain inalienable rights, among them..." REQUIRES a belief in a CREATOR.  Otherwise it is indeed a silly statement if made by an athiest...

Don't know about any of you people but my mom and dad created me.

[dead_hobbit]

I don't see any silliness in coming to the conclusion that for men to write the phrase "we believe these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by thier creator with certain inalienable rights, among them..." REQUIRES a belief in a CREATOR.  Otherwise it is indeed a silly statement if made by an athiest...

You're pretty much correct. Many of the founding fathers were, in fact, Christians. Many of them were also very much Agnostic Theists/Diests as well.

But, to play Devil's Advocate, one could think of their parents as their "creator"

[BKO]

I don't see any silliness in coming to the conclusion that for men to write the phrase "we believe these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by thier creator with certain inalienable rights, among them..." REQUIRES a belief in a CREATOR. Otherwise it is indeed a silly statement if made by an athiest...

You're pretty much correct. Many of the founding fathers were, in fact, Christians. Many of them were also very much Agnostic Theists/Diests as well.

The part I disagree with you about, Mr. Anarchist -is your perception that they were all happy little christians, when in fact they weren't.  Please keep your religious shit in your own fucking head, and try to keep your conversations logical.  That's all I am saying.  There is no mention in our declaration or constitution that ever mentions A PARTICULAR GOD, or A SINGLE RELIGION, but allows, instead for the recognition of the fact that We the People do have freedom to worship how we severally choose.  So please get off your christian high-horse and take a break, buddy.  No single religion has any more credence than any other in this nation.

And Jesus was black.

Bitch.

[ChristianAnarchist]

The part I disagree with you about, Mr. Anarchist -is your perception that they were all happy little christians, when in fact they weren't.  Please keep your religious shit in your own fucking head, and try to keep your conversations logical.  That's all I am saying.  There is no mention in our declaration or constitution that ever mentions A PARTICULAR GOD, or A SINGLE RELIGION, but allows, instead for the recognition of the fact that We the People do have freedom to worship how we severally choose.  So please get off your christian high-horse and take a break, buddy.  No single religion has any more credence than any other in this nation.

And Jesus was black.

Bitch.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I would like to point out that you may have missed the two references to God in the Declaration of Independence ("the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them," and "with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.".  It is easy to miss as there are only the two mentions, but then the DOI is a very short document.  I can and will if you insist provide numerous references to Christian ideals and biblical authority in writings by the founders and decisons in the early courts.  Early documents make clear that the final authority recognized was God (a non-denominational "God").  Doctrine was avoided as it brings conflict, but the acknowledgement of "God" was very frequent.

Anyway, it is not important to me other than in an attempt to be historically accurate.  As the Christian Anarchist, I don't feel bound by such documents.  Indeed, the founders of this fiction USA did not bind men by their documents, only their fiction creation.

christiananarchist.myblogsite.com

[BKO]

You ignorant, incorrigible fucking retard.

I already stated that there is quite obviously the word "GOD" written in the declaration.  Never is the word "JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST" written, you son of a motherfucking goat herder.

As the Christian Anarchist, I don't feel bound by such documents.  Indeed, the founders of this fiction USA did not bind men by their documents, only their fiction creation.

I HATE YOU.  PLEASE DIE.

[ljossberir]

Lies, deceptions, half-truths...

There are so many fucked up people in the world, it's no wonder why this "anarchy" movement has taken hold.

Chris..er..sorry, "Grey" -your statements are echoed by myself.  However, I think that the original poster is a nutjob. 

What's this? Brokor as the voice of.... reason?! For once, we are in agreement. I am enjoying the moment.


It's funny, but "The Christian Anarchist" happens to find himself in agreement with the most unlikely person of all, at least... an agreement on the consistency of Christianity and Anarchy...

One may assert an absolute equivalence between Christian and anarchist: their purpose, their instinct is set only on destruction. For the proof of this proposition, one has only to read history, which displays it with frightful clarity.

The Christian and the anarchist: both decadents, both incapable of producing anything but dissolution, poisioning, degeneration, both blood-suckers, both with the deadly hatred towards anything that stands erect, that towers grandly up, that possesses duration, that promises life a future...

-Friedrich Nietzsche, The Anti-Christ, 58

In fairness, however: as I'm sure many of you know, anarchists were, without a doubt, quite different in the mid-late 19th century than they are now.

[BKO]

All anarchists are pussies. 

[dead_hobbit]

I can and will if you insist provide numerous references to Christian ideals and biblical authority in writings by the founders and decisons in the early courts.

One can equally pull up numerous writings and decisions in early courts testifying to the opposite. Some of which flat out say "we are not a Christian country" (paraphrase, but the real quote is pretty close to that IIRC).

[ChristianAnarchist]

You ignorant, incorrigible fucking retard.

I already stated that there is quite obviously the word "GOD" written in the declaration.  Never is the word "JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST" written, you son of a motherfucking goat herder.

As the Christian Anarchist, I don't feel bound by such documents.  Indeed, the founders of this fiction USA did not bind men by their documents, only their fiction creation.

I HATE YOU.  PLEASE DIE.

I thank you again for taking the time to respond to my post.  I do however, see a conflict with libertairian ideals in that while you seem to support freedom for yourself, you seem to want to deny mine.  I'm not sure if you are even claiming to be a libertarian but since this is a so-called libertarian venue, I am assuming you are.  Even judges from this fiction USA have stated that the protection for free speach has to extend to unpopular speech as "popular" speech, by the very fact that it is "popular", needs no protection.

christiananarchist.myblogsite.com

[ChristianAnarchist]

I can and will if you insist provide numerous references to Christian ideals and biblical authority in writings by the founders and decisons in the early courts.

One can equally pull up numerous writings and decisions in early courts testifying to the opposite. Some of which flat out say "we are not a Christian country" (paraphrase, but the real quote is pretty close to that IIRC).

I would like to see any that are prior to the 20th century.  Can you cite any?  I am always ready to learn.

christiananarchist.myblogsite.com

[Lindsey]

You can't learn.  There's still something fundamentally flawed inside your mind.

[MobileDigit]

Hey now, hes smarter than you!

* MobileDigit watches karma fly down.

[Lindsey]

Why would you say he's smarter than I am?  Because I'm younger than he is?  Because I'm still in school?  Because you agree with his ideas and not mine?

Fuck your karma, I'm not spending the time on you.

[Lupus]

Wow... what a thread... with I had seen this earlier. I have alot to say concerning religious people, Christians in particular.

I've heard you on the show several times Mr. Christian Anarchist.

let's break the mold some....

Do you believe that all men are created equal?    Yes( )   No ( )

This is a misnomer.  While it's a nice IDEA, it's clearly not the case. Some men in fact are created so unequally that they die before birth.  I think most men do in fact. I bet this includes the women too.. not just the men.

Saying that men are created equal is just being nice to men.  It's nice to say men are all equal.  But in reality it's not the case. Some men are smarter, some men are taller, some men have bigger dicks than others. There is no magical leveling stick that makes sure everyone is equal.

Saying the world is like a RPG game, where a set amount of ability points is distributed for each man is just insane, and idiotic.

Do you have a right to violate the rights of another?    Yes( )    No( )

This is a trick question. Rights? How do you define that? I SHOUOLDN'T be able to violate the 'rights' (as you call it of another).  Because what this generally entails is being mean to somone else.  Typically it's just not nice to be mean to people.

There is no such thin as inalienable rights. This is just some crap that some guys made up. Much like your god. You can do ANYTHING you want to do. But the people around you may feel the need to respond to the things you do.

Going around claiming that some invisible guy who lives in the sky says that you can do certian things only makes me think you are mentally unstable.

Do two or more people have a right to violate the rights of another?  Yes( )   No( )

Since I really have no rights, and neither do you, this is impossible. If I'm mean to you, then it's likely that sombody it going to be mean to me back. That is all nothing more.

Your so called rights, are just what I call the golden rule. Whoever makes the gold, makes the rules.... wait.. wrong one...
Do unto others and you would have them do unto you.

This is all there is. I don't like people poking me in the eye with sticks, so I don't go around poking other people's eyes with sticks.  But, this doesn't mean that I am doing it because some deity told me to.

People who need an invisible man in the sky, to tell them that if they are mean to other peope, they are going to go to hell... or whatever... are just weak willed and unintellegent.

God, religion... is all guesses.  And not even good ones at that. Religion is a tool used to control people. To keep them down. Religion in many ways is far worse than government. Government just points a gun at me. Religion claims that it will keep a gun pointed at me, even after I am worm food.

Religion has started more wars than anything else on the planet. Religion is responsible for more murder and hatred that ANYTHING ELSE.... EVER.

Religion is EVIL.

You are an idiot for believing in this crap. The fact that you have been duped by some ruler from 2000+ years ago makes me laugh. I would pity you... if it wasn't so funny.

[fisher]

Why would you say he's smarter than I am?

cus U R dumb.