I can't believe I'm posting this...
Romans 13:1-2 (NIV)
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
1 Peter 2:13-14 (NIV)
13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.
Hebrews 13:17 (NIV)
17Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.
Ah, but Romans 13:3-4 say
"3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
So if you can show me where our "rulers" (excuse me sir, aren't they supposed to be our "servants"?) are only a terror to evil and show me please how they qualify as "ministers" of God?? Maybe that verse is not about G.W...
The "subject" of 2 Peter is "suffering" at the hand of others. Of course one suffer's most at the hands of the "gov" cult members who feel they have a right to impose thier will on you. Ecclesiastes 3:1 ¶"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;"
Perhaps if it is the time for "suffering" then 2 Peter applies. I don't think it applies at all times or it would be wrong to oppose Hitler.
(The above would make a great song, don't you think?) (turn, turn, turn)
The Romans text is preceeded by the following:
Romans 13:1 ¶Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Again you have to qualify who is the subject of these powers and who qualifies as "ruler". It says here that the "higher powers" are of God. If you resist the power, you receive damnation. I think these qualify the subject matter as being "rulers" and "powers" that are not of this plane, but a spiritual one.
Now I could be wrong (never!!) but that's the way I interpret those verses.
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