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Christian Anarchy is the only sensible answer...
« on: August 11, 2005, 01:13:45 AM »

Why would I say that Christian Anarchy is the only sensible answer... Let me count the ways...

1.  Most here believe that we have "inailenable rights" although most don't know why our rights
are inailenable.  The old guys who founded this fiction called USA understood them to be so
because they believed we were CREATED with them (by a Creator).  Remember the common
words that most believe in such "All men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain
inalienable rights, among them are..."  Certainly if you cut out a belief in "the Creator" you gut
the authority for rights in the preceeding ideal.  If you cut the Creator, where does the authority
for your creation of rights come from?  Little green men?  The Id?  Do you simply believe they
are "just there"?  Why??  If your rights come from a Creator who is of course great enough to
create you and your rights, then they are truly inailenable due to the fact that someone at least
as "great" as your "Creator" would be needed to destroy them.  Certainly a mere man is not
as great as that which created him so a man would not be "great" enough to destroy what was
"created" by his "creator".

2.  As Christians, the old guys who founded the fiction USA understood the Christian idea that all
men were sinners and none are "good" enough to be entrusted with "ruling" over any other men.
Therefore they tried a "new" idea never before tried in history.  Was it a "republic"?  No, Rome
was a republic as well as others.  The "new" idea was "soverignty", another idea that came from
Christianity.  All men are Kings and Princes in Christ, Paul said (or at least someone who we have
been led to believe was Paul).  So the "experiment" was to put men in the rightful position as
"creator" of the fiction USA.  As "creators", the fiction USA could have no authority over over
it's creators any more than we can have authority over God.  No authority = anarchy.

3.  The "experiment" has failed miserably as man (the rightful authority over the fiction USA)
has "forgotten" that each one is "over" his "servant" fiction USA and has allowed the fiction
to take on a form and power which is simulating a true entity (which it is not).  Man has
neglected his own Creator which is the rightful authority over him and has forsaken his
stewardship of keeping the fiction USA in line. 

4.  Since the fiction USA is no longer within the authority of it's creator man, the fiction ceases
to exist.  It is replaced by REAL MEN who are acting out as if they have some authority from
this "fiction" that allows them to use FORCE over their fellow man.  These real men who use
force are violating the rights of their fellow man.  Most are deceived into believing that the fiction
really exists and gives them some magical power over others. 

5.  Since they have no legitimate power, we are already living in anarchy, you just don't know it.
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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2005, 01:34:38 AM »

I gotta say, when I first heard that name "Christian Anarchist", I thought you were a total kook.  I know now you're indeed very sane, b/c I agree w/ so much of what you're saying but:
Explain to me how capturing criminals (ie- a police force replacement or total lack thereof) and the justice system is supposed to work under anarchy....
If we lived under a Constitutionalist gov't, the officials in power aren't "greater" than us by any means, and they don't delegate rights - they simply recognize their intrinsic nature/existence and help protect them.

Chaos will insue if we have no impartial 3rd party to at least help to work injustices out... I know... I know, not that our system is all that great now - but a complete lack of a system? I can only see that being a step back for justice and peace.

...regardless, my mind's open... so let's see what you have to say...
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2005, 07:14:31 AM »

Lies, deceptions, half-truths...

There are so many fucked up people in the world, it's no wonder why this "anarchy" movement has taken hold.

Chris..er..sorry, "Grey" -your statements are echoed by myself.  However, I think that the original poster is a nutjob. 

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2005, 07:28:53 AM »

I understand what your saying, but I'm confused, perhaps you could clear this up for me.

I'm under the impression that according to Christian doctrine that we are all sub-human next to Jesus, and for punishing him we deserve what we're getting. I find it to be a doctrine based on masochism, self-loathing, and voluntary suffering - so I ask, how can a doctrine like this help bring us back our freedom?
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2005, 10:11:34 AM »

If only our government were argueing that they should protect individual liberties, or dissolve altogether.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2005, 10:37:51 AM »

I gotta say, when I first heard that name "Christian Anarchist", I thought you were a total kook.  I know now you're indeed very sane, b/c I agree w/ so much of what you're saying but:
Explain to me how capturing criminals (ie- a police force replacement or total lack thereof) and the justice system is supposed to work under anarchy....

Anarchy is not without order.  The order would be a natural order and criminals would get their
"just deserts" at the hand of other equals.  Ian asked me on the air if in an anarchistic society
could Jefery Dalmer live next door to me and I told him he certainly could.  I also said that the
first time he did anything that threatened my family, I would blow him away with my 12 ga. -
end of problem.  I would not have to worry about going to jail for it as there would be no jail
(or at least no government jails).  I would have to deal with Jeff's friends and family and that
is the other side of the coin.  In anarchy, my desire to blow away someone who annoys me
is tempered by my desire to stay alive.  If the threat is great enough and the consequences
are small enough, I act.  If I make a mistake in judgement, I might die.  That's life (or death)!

Remember that an armed society is a polite society.  You must be constantly on your guard
to not make too many enemies as you never know who will do you in.  It's not a safe society
but then neither is what we have today.  Just walk down the streets at midnight and see how
safe you are (and you won't likely have a gun to protect you - unless you already subscribe
to the anarchistic idea).

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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2005, 10:46:32 AM »

You, and all other anarchists are fucking delusional shittards. :lol:

You cannot, EVER have a "society", or whole if each individual is going around doing whatever they want.  The possibilities are endless to what degree of suffering there will be, not to mention the complete and total INCAPABILITY TO PROTECT THE ENTIRE NATION FROM ENEMY INVASION, which dare I even fucking clue you in on : is a reality.

Your perceptions are clouded by the desire to have change, because for too long have we lived in an oppressive society where government has become too corrupt and the people have become too uncaring.  It still does not make your PHILOSOPHIES of anarchy correct.  You are the product of a psychological warfare campaign designed around creating individual thoughts that are aimed toward neglecting the nationality, love and admiration of ones' nation, and the respect and honor that is to be expected from an individual residing in the nation.  WHY?  Because the number one rule for our REAL ENEMY to take over our republic is to destroy all nationalism and replace it with their global government.  Anarchists are anti-national, and are centered solely around the individual and the tribe, or small groups (city states), also known as "Balkanization".

Typical divide and conquer.


I warned you silly anarchists.  Just remember that.

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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2005, 10:49:25 AM »

How can you have Christian Anarchy? If you're an anarchist, how do you force someone else to be a Christian?

I'll stick with my own faith, thanks, you can keep yours.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2005, 10:51:50 AM »

I understand what your saying, but I'm confused, perhaps you could clear this up for me.

I'm under the impression that according to Christian doctrine that we are all sub-human next to Jesus, and for punishing him we deserve what we're getting. I find it to be a doctrine based on masochism, self-loathing, and voluntary suffering - so I ask, how can a doctrine like this help bring us back our freedom?

The Christian "doctrine" is that we are living in a cursed world because of what Adam and Eve did
not because of Jesus' death.  His death was to provide a way to be forgiven so that we can be
redeemed to God.  All are sons of God and blameless because of His blood.  All are "equal" in this
"society" of heaven.  I see no "masochism, self-loathing, and voluntary suffering" required to believe
and serve him.  We regain our freedom by the simple realization that WE are the masters and
the fiction USA is our servant.  There is nothing they can do but kill you and if you have a larger
picture, killing you is only the beginning of the greater picture.  No, we don't believe in a palace
with 100 virgins like some.  What lies beyond the grave is only speculation, but I believe that
it is truly greater than our current existance.  If only 10% of us "Christians" would stand up to
the fiction USA and tell them we will not get our "permission" 501(c) exemption to have our
churches and stop paying our "tithe" to the gov (stolen from our tithe to God) and stop asking
for "permission" to have a business, drive a car, etc, etc, the smoke would clear and we would
see there is NO ONE BEHIND THE CURTAIN...

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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2005, 11:02:12 AM »

You, and all other anarchists are fucking delusional shittards. :lol:

You cannot, EVER have a "society", or whole if each individual is going around doing whatever they want.  The possibilities are endless to what degree of suffering there will be, not to mention the complete and total INCAPABILITY TO PROTECT THE ENTIRE NATION FROM ENEMY INVASION, which dare I even fucking clue you in on : is a reality.


Thank you very much for your input.  You do seem to be under the delusion that somehow
you or your "representitives" have some sort of legitimate authority over me.  Please answer the
following:

Do you believe that all men are created equal?    Yes( )   No ( )

Do you have a right to violate the rights of another?    Yes( )    No( )

Do two or more people have a right to violate the rights of another?  Yes( )   No( )

If you answered yes to the above, where does the authority come from to violate my right
to "life, liberty and property"?

If many people can "get together" and violate my rights, can I then get together a larger
group of people to violate your rights??

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2005, 11:07:03 AM »

Christian, we can do whatever the hell we want, so long as we do not violate the life, liberty, and property of another American, which is what our constitutional government was set up to protect, and is what we should be fighting to restore.

And, if you were smart, you would not ignore my warning in the previous post.  You only think that you are freely supporting anarchy, but what you are really doing is preparing millions of graves.

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2005, 11:09:35 AM »

How can you have Christian Anarchy? If you're an anarchist, how do you force someone else to be a Christian?

I'll stick with my own faith, thanks, you can keep yours.

But Christianity and Anarchy are the perfect combination.  Christ told his deciples (at least I believe
that he told them) to spread the "good news" of salvation with others.  He did not tell them to
"force" them to believe.  Such an idea makes no sence as people are going to believe what they
wish to believe.  Could I force you to believe in little green men or santa claus??  Christ only
acknowledged one "authority" and it wasn't Rome!  This is worldly anarchy with heavenly
authority.   I really can't understand how someone who is a "Christian" can accept a fiction
government has "authority" over them.  It makes no sence.

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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2005, 11:15:43 AM »

Christian, we can do whatever the hell we want, so long as we do not violate the life, liberty, and property of another American, which is what our constitutional government was set up to protect, and is what we should be fighting to restore.

And, if you were smart, you would not ignore my warning in the previous post.  You only think that you are freely supporting anarchy, but what you are really doing is preparing millions of graves.

Believe what you want, I'm cetainly not going to try to force you to believe what I believe.  I know you
think that anarchy would result in deaths (indeed there always are with change) but look at the number
of deaths attributed to your "order".  Men, women, and children.  I implore all to embrace "anarchy"
if not for yourselves, at least do it "for the children"...

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2005, 11:24:37 AM »

Fucking hell.  And I thought that the radical muslims were a lost cause... :roll:

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2005, 05:21:04 PM »

At least radical Muslims blow shit up.  Christians just say stupid things.   :P
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