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Re: Childless Tax
« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2009, 01:16:26 PM »

This idea really pisses me off, and I can't believe anyone takes it seriously.  If anything, I would collect money and pay people NOT to have children.  There's way too many of the fuckers out there already.  Anyway, those of us who choose to benefit ourselves and not sacrifice for the collective to reproduce are already taxed at a punitive rate.

If there were only 2 people left on the planet, and neither wanted to have kids, so be it, that is how humans will end (not that I could POSSIBLY ever forsee such a ridiculous scenario)!  Totally absurd to force them to reproduce. I suppose you also believe in eugenics?  And you actually said there is NO MAXIMUM LIMIT to the population that would be bad.  Wrong.  We have already passed that limit.
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« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2009, 01:53:57 PM »

This idea really pisses me off, and I can't believe anyone takes it seriously.  If anything, I would collect money and pay people NOT to have children.

As a childfree person, I fully endorse this.  You can send me money any time.   :D
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« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2009, 06:05:52 PM »

The reason behind this is the same for any pyramid scheme.  You have to have more people coming in to pay off the initial investors. 
Just about ever socialist countries tries to motivate their educated productive citizens to reproduce.  But social security is actual a disincentive to reproduce.  When people had to depend on family first then their local communities children were considered more valuable.  Under the guise of a social safety net children are seen as more of a burden without benefit for the parents future.   It is just another unintended consequence of social security types of schemes.   

On the opposite end of the spectrum the government sets up to make children valuable to the uneducated and unproductive with welfare programs.  So government social engineering efforts are just another major failure.  Cause on one end they are discouraging many in the intelligent group from reproducing while at the same time encouraging many of the unintelligent to reproduce.

I realize their are many other variables involved and I am just speaking to an over all trend with a possible cause.

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Re: Childless Tax
« Reply #93 on: August 16, 2009, 02:16:21 AM »

I think my friends with children are starting to become a bit jealous of my happy childfree life. I say this because I get many more emails from friends telling me that "it'll be different when they're yours" and "your biological clock will start ticking soon" and "you don't have kids because you're selfish."

I think that the fact that the childless and childfree are already paying taxes for public services they're not using like schools is good enough.
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« Reply #94 on: August 16, 2009, 03:40:13 AM »

I think my friends with children are starting to become a bit jealous of my happy childfree life. I say this because I get many more emails from friends telling me that "it'll be different when they're yours" and "your biological clock will start ticking soon" and "you don't have kids because you're selfish."

I think that the fact that the childless and childfree are already paying taxes for public services they're not using like schools is good enough.
Actually you should have every right to feel angry about paying for schools because they are just another worthless government program.   Well that should be regardless of your parental status.

I have had it both a very exciting child free lifestyle and now I have a wonderful son.   I was told I could never have children so I filled my life with travel and living in many different countries.   It was a fun lifestyle but always something was missing often I was disconnected and lonely.  When I finally moved back to the USA and decided to finally purchase a home.   I met a wonderful guy.   Who didn't care that it would be unlikely we would have any kids not that he was against children.  However, much to our surprise I got pregnant.   I some times reflect on my globe hopping days.  But what I remember isn't marveling at the Great Buddha in Japan, touring Pamunjung or living in London or visiting the Orkney's after crossing the North Sea on a massive ferry, or my time in Amsterdam.   I remember being very lonely and unfufilled.  Now that I have a family I feel much more connected and never lonely. 

It is really difficult to explain to someone who doesn't have kids but that is the best way I could put it.   It is a personal life choice.  If I had a choice to go back to my former lifestyle vs what I have now.  I would choose to have my wonderful loving and funny boy. 
Still, I would also highly recommend people postpone having kids until they are in their thirties just so they know themselves well enough to know if having a child is right for them.   I have friends who are still childless but sometimes I think they wonder if it was the right choice.
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Re: Childless Tax
« Reply #95 on: August 16, 2009, 09:31:17 AM »

I think my friends with children are starting to become a bit jealous of my happy childfree life. I say this because I get many more emails from friends telling me that "it'll be different when they're yours" and "your biological clock will start ticking soon" and "you don't have kids because you're selfish."


That's what I get all the time...
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« Reply #96 on: August 16, 2009, 02:44:33 PM »

I met a wonderful guy.   Who didn't care that it would be unlikely we would have any kids not that he was against children.  However, much to our surprise I got pregnant.

That must have been an interesting conversation!  Being "against children" sounds pretty adamant. 
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« Reply #97 on: August 16, 2009, 05:42:17 PM »

I met a wonderful guy.   Who didn't care that it would be unlikely we would have any kids not that he was against children.  However, much to our surprise I got pregnant.
That must have been an interesting conversation!  Being "against children" sounds pretty adamant. 

Sorry bad sentence construction.  He was not against children.  Kind of like he was interested in me first.  If we never had a child great.  If we had a child that was great as well. 

My OB was shocked when I turned up pregnant.  Because really it was very unlikely.  The interesting conversation was showing my partner my medical history.  The fertility workup I had done years earlier indicating it was highly improbable that I would ever conceive and if I did improbable I could carry to term.  Both of those happened without drugs.   I did have to remain on bed rest for 6 months of the pregnancy.  He was extremely supportive and thrilled. 
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« Reply #98 on: August 16, 2009, 05:43:25 PM »

I don't get these idiots that want to tax productive people. More people does not equal more productivity. Learn the law of diminishing returns, you daffy fucks!
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« Reply #99 on: August 16, 2009, 06:48:57 PM »

I met a wonderful guy.   Who didn't care that it would be unlikely we would have any kids not that he was against children.  However, much to our surprise I got pregnant.
That must have been an interesting conversation!  Being "against children" sounds pretty adamant. 

Sorry bad sentence construction.  He was not against children.  Kind of like he was interested in me first.  If we never had a child great.  If we had a child that was great as well. 

My OB was shocked when I turned up pregnant.  Because really it was very unlikely.  The interesting conversation was showing my partner my medical history.  The fertility workup I had done years earlier indicating it was highly improbable that I would ever conceive and if I did improbable I could carry to term.  Both of those happened without drugs.   I did have to remain on bed rest for 6 months of the pregnancy.  He was extremely supportive and thrilled. 

I'm sorry you had to be on bed rest, but very glad that you and your partner have a son that you love.   
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Re: Childless Tax
« Reply #100 on: August 16, 2009, 07:31:39 PM »

How about just a massive tax on condoms and birth control?  :lol:
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« Reply #101 on: August 16, 2009, 11:44:23 PM »

Actually you should have every right to feel angry about paying for schools because they are just another worthless government program.   Well that should be regardless of your parental status.

I have had it both a very exciting child free lifestyle and now I have a wonderful son.   I was told I could never have children so I filled my life with travel and living in many different countries.   It was a fun lifestyle but always something was missing often I was disconnected and lonely.  When I finally moved back to the USA and decided to finally purchase a home.   I met a wonderful guy.   Who didn't care that it would be unlikely we would have any kids not that he was against children.  However, much to our surprise I got pregnant.   I some times reflect on my globe hopping days.  But what I remember isn't marveling at the Great Buddha in Japan, touring Pamunjung or living in London or visiting the Orkney's after crossing the North Sea on a massive ferry, or my time in Amsterdam.   I remember being very lonely and unfufilled.  Now that I have a family I feel much more connected and never lonely. 

It is really difficult to explain to someone who doesn't have kids but that is the best way I could put it.   It is a personal life choice.  If I had a choice to go back to my former lifestyle vs what I have now.  I would choose to have my wonderful loving and funny boy. 
Still, I would also highly recommend people postpone having kids until they are in their thirties just so they know themselves well enough to know if having a child is right for them.   I have friends who are still childless but sometimes I think they wonder if it was the right choice.


I'm very glad for you :)

I've known since I was ten I didn't want to have any kids of my own, and I've not wavered for a moment since. I found out when I was twenty that I have some medical issues that pretty much nix childbearing. But I've always been happy alone, and when I find someone that makes me happy to be with him, that will be nice too. I'm not leaving out the possibility that I may someday want a child.
(But right now, my boyfriend is more than enough of a child at times!)

I agree with the waiting to have children, but 30 is sort of a sweet spot, as the chances of birth defects and pregnancy complications increase after 35.
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« Reply #102 on: August 17, 2009, 04:03:43 AM »

Actually you should have every right to feel angry about paying for schools because they are just another worthless government program.   Well that should be regardless of your parental status.

I have had it both a very exciting child free lifestyle and now I have a wonderful son.   I was told I could never have children so I filled my life with travel and living in many different countries.   It was a fun lifestyle but always something was missing often I was disconnected and lonely.  When I finally moved back to the USA and decided to finally purchase a home.   I met a wonderful guy.   Who didn't care that it would be unlikely we would have any kids not that he was against children.  However, much to our surprise I got pregnant.   I some times reflect on my globe hopping days.  But what I remember isn't marveling at the Great Buddha in Japan, touring Pamunjung or living in London or visiting the Orkney's after crossing the North Sea on a massive ferry, or my time in Amsterdam.   I remember being very lonely and unfufilled.  Now that I have a family I feel much more connected and never lonely. 

It is really difficult to explain to someone who doesn't have kids but that is the best way I could put it.   It is a personal life choice.  If I had a choice to go back to my former lifestyle vs what I have now.  I would choose to have my wonderful loving and funny boy. 
Still, I would also highly recommend people postpone having kids until they are in their thirties just so they know themselves well enough to know if having a child is right for them.   I have friends who are still childless but sometimes I think they wonder if it was the right choice.


I'm very glad for you :)

I've known since I was ten I didn't want to have any kids of my own, and I've not wavered for a moment since. I found out when I was twenty that I have some medical issues that pretty much nix childbearing. But I've always been happy alone, and when I find someone that makes me happy to be with him, that will be nice too. I'm not leaving out the possibility that I may someday want a child.
(But right now, my boyfriend is more than enough of a child at times!)

I agree with the waiting to have children, but 30 is sort of a sweet spot, as the chances of birth defects and pregnancy complications increase after 35.

Currently with better nutrition and medical advances that pregnancy complications age has been pushed back to 40 for most women.   35 is the old bench mark from like from the 80s.   It also depends on where you were raised and what you were exposed to during your life.

Granted there are people who know that they don't want kids and they shouldn't have them.   
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Re: Childless Tax
« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2009, 11:15:33 AM »

This thread can still be used to discuss the "Childless Tax", but there's now a new thread for discussing an alternative idea, the "Parents Tax", and how the two compare.
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Re: Childless Tax
« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2010, 04:06:27 AM »

In case anyone failed to figure this out, this thread is a gag.  C'mon, Joseph Stalin had the very same idea.  Human extinction FTW!  :lol:
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