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Title: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 03:47:47 PM
Where is a good place to find a cheap house(3+ bedrooms) with some land for less than $100k?

It doesn't need to be in the USA.

Private well and septic system is preferred.

$100k isn't a lot, but I don't want a mortgage.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: davann on January 13, 2010, 04:23:28 PM
Detroit
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on January 13, 2010, 04:32:03 PM
Chile.  It's the freest country in Latin America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Chile) (gulp, thank you Pinochet?), beautiful coastline, lots of islands, and the land prices are amazing.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 05:04:04 PM
Detroit
No thanks, but there is some stuff in MI, and it is a no notice homeschool state.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: hellbilly on January 13, 2010, 05:14:25 PM
Why does it have to be a house?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
Why does it have to be a house?
I don't want to live in a tent.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on January 13, 2010, 06:25:04 PM
Where is a good place to find a cheap house(3+ bedrooms) with some land for less than $100k?

It doesn't need to be in the USA.

Private well and septic system is preferred.

$100k isn't a lot, but I don't want a mortgage.

Oklahoma City and surrounding area, one of the least hit economies.  For 100K you can not only find something that meets your minimum requirement, you'll have plenty of options.  

Outside of the US they say Panama is the cheapest place to live like an American.

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: davann on January 13, 2010, 06:29:16 PM
Where is a good place to find a cheap house(3+ bedrooms) with some land for less than $100k?

It doesn't need to be in the USA.

Private well and septic system is preferred.

$100k isn't a lot, but I don't want a mortgage.

Oklahoma City and surrounding area, one of the least hit economies.  For 100K you can not only find something that meets your minimum requirement, you'll have plenty of options.  



Only a matter of time before the masses are unable to afford beef. Restuarants, that are off the strip of course,  in Vegas are near emtpy. Soon it will be shoe leather soup for dinner.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on January 13, 2010, 06:56:29 PM
Where is a good place to find a cheap house(3+ bedrooms) with some land for less than $100k?

It doesn't need to be in the USA.

Private well and septic system is preferred.

$100k isn't a lot, but I don't want a mortgage.

What do you plan to do for a living?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on January 13, 2010, 07:02:40 PM

Oklahoma City and surrounding area, one of the least hit economies.  For 100K you can not only find something that meets your minimum requirement, you'll have plenty of options.  



Only a matter of time before the masses are unable to afford beef. Restuarants, that are off the strip of course,  in Vegas are near emtpy. Soon it will be shoe leather soup for dinner.

This is about OKCs economy?  cuz while we do have stockyards and fresh steaks it's Oil and Energy now.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: davann on January 13, 2010, 07:14:10 PM

Oklahoma City and surrounding area, one of the least hit economies.  For 100K you can not only find something that meets your minimum requirement, you'll have plenty of options.  



Only a matter of time before the masses are unable to afford beef. Restuarants, that are off the strip of course,  in Vegas are near emtpy. Soon it will be shoe leather soup for dinner.

This is about OKCs economy?  cuz while we do have stockyards and fresh steaks it's Oil and Energy now.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the oil. Won't matter cuze the country is going green.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: hellbilly on January 13, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
Why does it have to be a house?
I don't want to live in a tent.

What about other options besides a tent?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on January 13, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
Where is a good place to find a cheap house(3+ bedrooms) with some land for less than $100k?

It doesn't need to be in the USA.

Private well and septic system is preferred.

$100k isn't a lot, but I don't want a mortgage.


fla. or nevada
foreclosures up the ass
worst in the country
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 13, 2010, 08:26:32 PM
Places I'm familiar with are Maine, around the New Brunswick border.

Bumfuck towns in eastern North Carolina.



Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 13, 2010, 08:27:51 PM
Detroit
No thanks, but there is some stuff in MI, and it is a no notice homeschool state.

The area around Cadillac was decent. I've been told they don't take too kindly to strangers, though.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on January 13, 2010, 08:55:39 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot about the oil. Won't matter cuze the country is going green.

We have windmill farms (Oklahoma IS where the wind goes sweeping down the plains) and my best customer is on the Natural Gas side, we have a few natural gas fueling stations around town, makes me happy, I'll be less happy if/when trucking is required by law to use natural gas but I'll be better off for it.  Chesapeake Energy has developed a very large presence in recent years and is steadily growing, even managing to keep some college graduates in-state which has historically been an issue.  Energy will never be worthless. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 09:27:10 PM
What about other options besides a tent?
Like what?

If there is enough room I would consider it. But I don't want to be in a trailer park.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 09:28:56 PM
What do you plan to do for a living?
Robbing banks.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: hellbilly on January 13, 2010, 09:34:31 PM
What about other options besides a tent?
Like what?

If there is enough room I would consider it. But I don't want to be in a trailer park.

Why don't you want to live in a trailer park?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 09:49:34 PM
Oklahoma City and surrounding area, one of the least hit economies.  For 100K you can not only find something that meets your minimum requirement, you'll have plenty of options.  
I've looked around there a little bit. OK is a no notice homeschool state.


Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 09:53:16 PM
What about other options besides a tent?
Like what?

If there is enough room I would consider it. But I don't want to be in a trailer park.

Why don't you want to live in a trailer park?
I don't like neighbors.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: hellbilly on January 13, 2010, 10:03:55 PM
What about just a trailer, but not in a park?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: mikehz on January 13, 2010, 10:17:49 PM
I know a couple of nuns who live as hermits north of here, in the country. They bought ten acres of treed land, built two tiny houses (300 sq ft), one for each of them. To support themselves, they work as nurses aids for minimum wage two days a week.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 13, 2010, 10:35:32 PM
What about just a trailer, but not in a park?
That isn't off the table.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Lindsey on January 13, 2010, 10:46:34 PM
Small towns in Florida.  Where I used to live this was possible.  I don't know how much land you are after though.

Also maybe Idaho/Oklahoma/Nebraska, etc.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: hellbilly on January 13, 2010, 10:49:02 PM
What about just a trailer, but not in a park?
That isn't off the table.

Why not just get a house then?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Laetitia on January 14, 2010, 07:02:14 AM
Small towns in Florida.  Where I used to live this was possible.  I don't know how much land you are after though.

Also maybe Idaho/Oklahoma/Nebraska, etc.

Nebraska should definitely be on the list for being able to get 3+ bedroom house in decent shape & land for under $100k.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: mikehz on January 14, 2010, 07:42:58 AM
If you have a van or a truck/camper, you can live in it and save lots of money.

http://cheaprvliving.com/howtoconvertavan.html (http://cheaprvliving.com/howtoconvertavan.html)

I once had a friend (a libertarian) who was going to college at Eastern Washington University. He lived in an old bus he had converted into a motor home. Except that the motor didn't work. He kept the thing parked in the school parking lot, and lived there for an entire year. The administrators tried to make him move it, but he said, "Bite me--I paid for my parking pass!"

Or, you can just live in your car.

http://carliving.info/ (http://carliving.info/)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 14, 2010, 01:37:36 PM
You should ask Dan (one of the FTL Creative Team) about the "park" he lived at for a while. Sounded pretty ancap to me.

Also what are prices like up in Coos county?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: One two three on January 14, 2010, 04:01:57 PM
Much of the cheapest low crime housing in the country tends to be in the farm areas of ND, SD, MT, KS and NE.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Turd Ferguson on January 14, 2010, 11:08:43 PM
Where is a good place to find a cheap house(3+ bedrooms) with some land for less than $100k?

It doesn't need to be in the USA.

Private well and septic system is preferred.

$100k isn't a lot, but I don't want a mortgage.


fla. or nevada
foreclosures up the ass
worst in the country
Thats true about the forclosures, but the problem is the banks arent dropping the prices and putting them on the market like they should. Instead, they are hanging on to them to prop the prices up. Wont work anyway, but the banks are too short sighted to see its not gonna help.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 14, 2010, 11:14:05 PM
Northern Nevada has a ton of cheap ass property.  I saw a 40 acre lot for 12 grand.  Of course its completely undeveloped...

A few friends of mine are considering finding a property like this for a group owned 4-wheeling, dirt bike riding, target shooting, camping hideaway.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 15, 2010, 01:55:34 AM
I bought 10 acres for $2k a few years back in Texas. They lied about having legal deeded access, so I had to get a refund.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 19, 2010, 09:19:58 PM

Or, you can just live in your car.
CPS doesn't like that.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 19, 2010, 09:24:31 PM
Also what are prices like up in Coos county?
There are a few places in my price range. But it looks like most of them need some work.

What I want in NH cost $300k.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 19, 2010, 09:34:22 PM
Much of the cheapest low crime housing in the country tends to be in the farm areas of ND, SD, MT, KS and NE.
Fuck that.

I think I want to stay east of the Mississippi. Unless it is OR or WA.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 19, 2010, 09:35:01 PM
I wonder if it's feasable to turn a semi-trailer into housing. There would be more room than a traditional RV, it would be much sturdier too. You can probably get a used, working tractor and trailer for around $15k. Don't like the scenery...move.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 19, 2010, 09:38:22 PM
I like the shipping container idea.

$1800

http://secure4.data-comm.com/servlet/FW/-strse-128/40-Foot-Standard-Storage/Detail

(http://secure4.data-comm.com/stores/f/FW/catalog/40GeneralPurposeSpecs600.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 19, 2010, 09:42:41 PM
Maybe if you can get some 53' ones. I don't think they're as high as a regular truck either, so you'd loose some space where you could put ducting and storage. Plus, it wouldn't be that portable.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Laetitia on January 19, 2010, 09:53:04 PM
(http://www.zigloo.ca/modules/imageGallery/galleries/43/img_216_full%20horz.jpg)

http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior (http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior)

I admit to being rather fond of browsing through the layouts & photos various sorts of container homes built.
Also spend time every once in a while looking at the sustainable and manufactured designs at Dwell.

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: mikehz on January 19, 2010, 10:36:20 PM

Or, you can just live in your car.
CPS doesn't like that.

Probably not much they can do about it, if you move often.

Another option is to host at camp grounds. In exchange for keeping an eye on the place, you get a free spot to park your RV, along with free hookups. I met one guy who hosted a place near here during the summer, and then headed down to Texas to host one there during the winters. He's retired and lives with his wife on less than a thousand bucks a month. He's also an avid fisherman, and spends most of his time at local lakes. There's very little actual work involved. If something needs fixing, he calls the campground administrators.

My wife's old boss, also retired, does this, as well. Her and her husband have hosted several different campgrounds in the Northwest.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 19, 2010, 10:44:17 PM
I wonder if it's feasable to turn a semi-trailer into housing. There would be more room than a traditional RV, it would be much sturdier too. You can probably get a used, working tractor and trailer for around $15k. Don't like the scenery...move.
It is.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: hellbilly on January 19, 2010, 11:19:53 PM
(http://www.zigloo.ca/modules/imageGallery/galleries/43/img_216_full%20horz.jpg)

http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior (http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior)

I admit to being rather fond of browsing through the layouts & photos various sorts of container homes built.
Also spend time every once in a while looking at the sustainable and manufactured designs at Dwell.



I read Dwell too (you should take a peek at "Atomic Ranch" mag). It might have been in Dwell that I saw an article on a family that used a few containers together to make a neat house. Good idea.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 20, 2010, 12:39:14 AM
You can build a pretty decent little cabin for 15k.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 20, 2010, 11:48:05 AM
You can build a pretty decent little cabin for 15k.
I assume that doesn't include a drilled well or septic system, and is off grid.

I'd like to stay under 75k for land/house/well/septic system. I would be OK with having something built, but I want to move within 6 months.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on January 20, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
(http://www.zigloo.ca/modules/imageGallery/galleries/43/img_216_full%20horz.jpg)

http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior (http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior)

I admit to being rather fond of browsing through the layouts & photos various sorts of container homes built.
Also spend time every once in a while looking at the sustainable and manufactured designs at Dwell.

If people in NH were having major panic attacks about a Mexican restaurant painting part of their building Orange.  I expect them to shit bricks before they would allow someone put shipping containers together to build a home.  NH has some very restrictive zoning laws and lots of dead land so buyer beware.  By dead land I mean land that is restricted from development or won't get building approval because it isn't able to handle a standard septic.  Never mind that there are new water treatment technologies which don't depend on pert-able land and you might plan to use that technology.  There won't be a building permit. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ciscokid1024 on January 20, 2010, 01:34:47 PM
I have heard that the area around Houston, TX is fairly cheap. My brother moved there a few years ago. After seeing how much property and big house you can get for the money my parents and my sister and her family moved there too. I have never been there but they tell me it's nice.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 20, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
(http://www.zigloo.ca/modules/imageGallery/galleries/43/img_216_full%20horz.jpg)

http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior (http://www.zigloo.ca/index/projects/Zigloo_Domestique_Completed_Exterior)

I admit to being rather fond of browsing through the layouts & photos various sorts of container homes built.
Also spend time every once in a while looking at the sustainable and manufactured designs at Dwell.

If people in NH were having major panic attacks about a Mexican restaurant painting part of their building Orange.  I expect them to shit bricks before they would allow someone put shipping containers together to build a home.  NH has some very restrictive zoning laws and lots of dead land so buyer beware.  By dead land I mean land that is restricted from development or won't get building approval because it isn't able to handle a standard septic.  Never mind that there are new water treatment technologies which don't depend on pert-able land and you might plan to use that technology.  There won't be a building permit.  

Stop being so negative because you choose to stay in redneck NC.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 20, 2010, 01:40:17 PM
I have heard that the area around Houston, TX is fairly cheap. My brother moved there a few years ago. After seeing how much property and big house you can get for the money my parents and my sister and her family moved there too. I have never been there but they tell me it's nice.
I thought about buying something there about 1.5 years ago, even got approved for a mortgage,  but decided against it. Now I am ready to leave.

You can get a fairly big house, but not much land. Lot sizes are pretty small, and I don't want to deal with a neighborhood association.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 20, 2010, 01:43:19 PM
I need a list of towns that don't have zoning.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 20, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
I need a list of towns that don't have zoning.

http://www.nh.gov/oep/resourcelibrary/referencelibrary/m/mlurdatabasereports/townswithoutzoning.htm
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on January 20, 2010, 04:25:46 PM
I need a list of towns that don't have zoning.

http://www.nh.gov/oep/resourcelibrary/referencelibrary/m/mlurdatabasereports/townswithoutzoning.htm

No zoning is a good start but don't read into that the land is restriction free.  And I wasn't being negative.  I am saying you have to choose very carefully and don't get roped into some land deal where you can't build.  That would go for any state in the union.  But NH does have a unique green way restriction on land development that many people may not be aware of.  For example having to have 5 acres for one house in some places.  And there are other states with similar restrictions.  Make sure that the land you do purchase where ever it might be doesn't have any of these nasty government surprises.  And don't assume land in NH will be free of these problems. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 20, 2010, 04:55:37 PM
You can build a pretty decent little cabin for 15k.
I assume that doesn't include a drilled well or septic system, and is off grid.

I'd like to stay under 75k for land/house/well/septic system. I would be OK with having something built, but I want to move within 6 months.

Not technically off grid, but on a patch of rural acreage with an existing trailer connected to city electric.  You can get a couple acres with trailer for 30k, not uncommon at all.  If the trailer is hooked up to everything and has primary residence status, your cabin can be considered an "outbuilding", like a garage/storage shed.  

When investigating stuff like that, I would go to the city offices and ask questions specifically about the trailer, like "what if I wanted to get a new one, or move this a hundred feet thataway> "  Mainly just to get a feel for the building permit guy.  If he doesn't give two shits about nuthin, maybe then ask about a garage or a small pole barn.  The whole point is to figure out if he's gonna come look or not.  If he's a picky fucker, don't even buy the land.  

I've been looking into economically depressed rural parts of Southern Georgia, I figure maybe they would overlook a lot of stuff just to get people into the community.  They have all sorts of rule benders in their woods, shack dwellers.  I'm not saying you would build a shack, but since they do, maybe you'll be "allowed" to evade some scrutiny on the building codes.  If the house doesn't technically exist, and the taxes are calculated from the last appraisal (with the junk trailer being the primary residence) your taxes would be ridiculously low.  It helps if you're surrounded by lots of trees and they can't see what you're doing from outside the property.  Obviously.  

Personally I would want the trailer/septic/well/electric t-pole setup in place to avoid the new installation, and all the jurisdictional assholes who accompany those processes.  

I found a nice patch in the middle of GA that was meant to be a brand-new trailer park, 5 acres all graveled with all utils in place for like 70k, electric meters all in a row.  (it was devoid of any inhabitants, no trailers at all.)  That price seens kinda steep until you consider all the work they put into the land.  Surrounded with mature trees, a wide open space carved out of the middle.  It was really nice.  That was a dream patch, but there are others with normal trailers on a 2-3 acre plot, one family private that fit the description.  

The other option, and I've actually seen people do this, is buy land with an old house on an existing foundation and completely demolish the house, build on the foundation.  You can avoid a lot of bullshit doing that.  They bang out the walls off-site and crane them on, house is erected in a couple weeks.  It'll cost you maybe 30k for the shell with doors/windows/roof/wiring/plumbing.  The people I know did this with a double wide, but it still turned out really nice because they got a smaller model with an upgraded interior (heavier doors, nicer carpet, etc.)  

Your problem (and I really don't mean to call it a problem) is you have kids to consider in the transition.  I could rough it in the shell of whatever half-assed shit-heap I decided upon.  So for you, maybe an inhabitable 'handymans special' would be more appropriate, or start looking into foreclosures.  

But the original comment, 15k cabin, it can be done - and actually a pretty decent size too.  The logs for a 7ft tall box measuring 16x40 are around $7,000, D-round butt-and-pass construction.  Run from your existing utilities into a gravel pad and stub them, put up concrete pylons like you see lamps in a parking lot, build on top.  

I can imagine a few builders here like Royce who would correct pretty much every line of the above, and he'd probably be right but I don't really care.  Its a flexible plan in progress, meant to be done in the middle of nowhere.  Its perfectly safe if you know what you're doing to a realistic degree, how loads settle and that sort of thing.  Reading log-builder forums will tell you what not to do, and how most basics should be done.  

I like the security of logs because they can withstand a rifle round (just from hunters, I'm not planning for armageddon) and material can be figured pretty simply, but they're a bitch to maneuver by yourself (you need a backhoe).  So I also have a balloon framed plan in my head which is a lot more practical for one-man-builder situation, and easier to add onto.  With that, you'd just buy a junky Bobcat to do some minor lifting / site-prep.  
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 20, 2010, 05:03:18 PM

If you want some interesting leads, go into Wiki and start looking into unincorporated areas, they have whole piles of towns with close to zero populations, towns that've lost their city status, ghost towns.  I found the ghost towns article to be helpful, because then you can drill down in Google maps to find inhabited areas nearby.  There could be valid reasons a town is a ghost town, like a chemical spill, so obviously due diligence is in order, but some just dried up when a better highway was erected elsewhere, and the adjacent communities have almost zero town structure.  

Google maps has a really cool feature newly added, wiki can be overlayed on the maps and you can just hover over the icon and it'll give you a little overview of the article about the town.

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 20, 2010, 06:59:48 PM
I bet nobody asked Dan on this forum. He used to live in a cool place
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 20, 2010, 07:16:27 PM
I bet nobody asked Dan on this forum. He used to live in a cool place

Because we know who the fuck that is.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 20, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
We do?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 20, 2010, 08:11:14 PM
Avatar has an eye patch
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 20, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Well, yeah - I know who you're talking about.  I just don't know who he is IRL in any way.  His posts are pretty infrequent. 

He's been in the back room lately, helping fix error's mistakes. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 20, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
Google maps has a really cool feature newly added, wiki can be overlayed on the maps and you can just hover over the icon and it'll give you a little overview of the article about the town.
The other cool new Google maps feature is real estate for sale overlay.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 20, 2010, 09:53:09 PM
So for you, maybe an inhabitable 'handymans special' would be more appropriate, or start looking into foreclosures.
That seems to be mostly what I am looking at.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 20, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
If you can wait 2-3 years foreclosures are gonna be a LOT more plentiful, and a LOT cheaper
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 20, 2010, 09:56:32 PM
Well, yeah - I know who you're talking about.  I just don't know who he is IRL in any way. 
Well, he was at my house drinking Jack Daniel's last weekend
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 20, 2010, 10:22:24 PM
Well, yeah - I know who you're talking about.  I just don't know who he is IRL in any way. 
Well, he was at my house drinking Jack Daniel's last weekend

 I'M A GODDAMN DOCTOR OF JOURNALISM MAN, QUIT FUCKING ME AROUND AND FINISH THE FUCKING STORY!
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Terror Australis on January 21, 2010, 05:29:07 AM
If you have some land you can get greywater systems and worm composting toilets that alleviate the need for a septic system. 8)

You can get a boat for 50 grand that has everything you need or convert a bus into a tiny house...
http://www.designboom.com/contemporary/tiny_houses2.html (http://www.designboom.com/contemporary/tiny_houses2.html)



Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 21, 2010, 06:01:58 AM
Good stuff mate, but we in the states have already discovered campers.  And they don't cost fifty thousand USD.


Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on January 21, 2010, 07:05:13 AM
If you have some land you can get greywater systems and worm composting toilets that alleviate the need for a septic system. 8)

You can get a boat for 50 grand that has everything you need or convert a bus into a tiny house...
http://www.designboom.com/contemporary/tiny_houses2.html (http://www.designboom.com/contemporary/tiny_houses2.html)





''tiny house company'' ??

shit, in the northern climes, we call them fuckers bob-houses, and we ice fish in 'em
(actually, there's no fishing in most...lots of drinking, eating, farting & lying)
50 grand?
fuck that.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 21, 2010, 02:05:08 PM
If you can wait 2-3 years foreclosures are gonna be a LOT more plentiful, and a LOT cheaper
I don't think I can wait.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 21, 2010, 02:45:37 PM
If you can wait 2-3 years foreclosures are gonna be a LOT more plentiful, and a LOT cheaper
I don't think I can wait.
That's fair. I didn't wait to buy my place. There's a point where you want to live in your own well-fortified compound home, and stop being a renter.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 22, 2010, 05:24:34 PM
There's a point where you want to live in your own well-fortified compound home, and stop being a renter.
With property taxes, you are still a lot like a renter.

I was looking at a 100k house in TX today, and the taxes on it were $5500 last year. WTF?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 22, 2010, 05:37:57 PM
There's a point where you want to live in your own well-fortified compound home, and stop being a renter.
With property taxes, you are still a lot like a renter.

I was looking at a 100k house in TX today, and the taxes on it were $5500 last year. WTF?

I don't know how they figure people are supposed to pay that shit. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: mikehz on January 22, 2010, 11:03:30 PM
The taxes on my current house (which is paid off) exceed the house payments on my first house.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 23, 2010, 12:00:02 AM
I was watching a 6 bedroom 3700 sq ft farmhouse in Pittsburg, NH with 30 acres on the Canadian border, and a huge barn. It was priced at 106k.

The house needs work, I don't know how much. It's about 160 years old.  I was almost going to check it out when I was in NH last month, but decided against it. It was an extra 6 hours of driving I didn't feel like doing. It was only on the market for about 2 months before someone bought it a few weeks ago.

It was foreclosed on, then bought for 175k in early 2009. Whoever bought it last year must have never paid on the mortgage, cus it was foreclosed on again, and back on the market by November 2009.

Taxes last year were around $3700, I think it was assessed for taxes at 320k.



Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on January 23, 2010, 01:52:47 AM
This is why I think its important to buy a piece of shit and renovate it. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 25, 2010, 01:30:23 PM
Taxes last year were around $3700
Was the land in Current Use?
Worth it for the tax break if you're way up in buttfuck nowhere.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 25, 2010, 01:41:51 PM
Taxes last year were around $3700
Was the land in Current Use?
Worth it for the tax break if you're way up in buttfuck nowhere.
I don't think so, it's a farm, and most of the 30 acres are fields.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 25, 2010, 01:50:34 PM
http://www.nhspace.org/faq.shtml#1
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 25, 2010, 02:20:52 PM
ForumTroll is right. You can put active Farmland into Current Use. You still get the nice tax break.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 25, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
Some of the land very well may be in current use. I'm not sure where the barn and other outbuilding are. If the land is in Current Use, they only saved a few hundred dollars on taxes (based on the 2007 tax rate).

But then you can't build on the land in Current Use, and if you want to take it out of Current Use, you have to pay 10% of "market value".

I can see putting some land into Current Use, but I would want to be very picky. I would see it as a bad thing if most of the 30 acres is in Current Use. I know I will want to build random shit, and I don't want to pay 10% of what some tax collector says the land is worth.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 25, 2010, 02:58:00 PM
In other news, land is too expensive to buy in New England.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on January 25, 2010, 03:13:48 PM
In other news, land is too expensive to buy in New England.
Dude just come west of the Mississippi.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 25, 2010, 03:34:07 PM
NH and ME are where I am mostly looking now.

I really want to be in a town that has no zoning, and no building permits/inspections.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 25, 2010, 04:38:36 PM
You should post on the FSW boards.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: One two three on January 25, 2010, 06:14:15 PM
NH and ME are where I am mostly looking now.

I really want to be in a town that has no zoning, and no building permits/inspections.

You should find land a lot less expensive in ME.  Additional, parts of the state are more for seasonal living and most travel is done on private roads.

Otherwise, I recommend AK.  Parts of AK don't even have property taxes, right?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on January 26, 2010, 09:48:33 AM
Those parts don't have dentists either.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on January 27, 2010, 09:59:27 PM
I wonder if any in NH know the answer to these questions.  The property taxes are crazy.  I saw one property for $120k the tax value was like $300K and the taxes were like 5500 per year.   No wonder no one wants the property the taxes would be higher than the monthly mortgage payment.  Can a person get a re-evaluation of the property to bring it more in line with it's real value?   

Another thing I have noticed is cottage camps and seasonal property.  Is that a restriction on the property or can the housing be insulated heated and qualify as year round residence? 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on January 27, 2010, 10:07:09 PM
Can a person get a re-evaluation of the property to bring it more in line with it's real value?
You can try.


Quote
Another thing I have noticed is cottage camps and seasonal property.  Is that a restriction on the property or can the housing be insulated heated and qualify as year round residence? 
Sometimes there is zoning that only allows the seasonal stuff, sometimes people just build it like that.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on January 27, 2010, 11:02:43 PM
Can a person get a re-evaluation of the property to bring it more in line with it's real value?
You can try.

Bad question I should have asked has anyone had success in getting their property re-evaluated to a lower value?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on January 27, 2010, 11:03:53 PM
You can always beg for a tax abatement.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on January 28, 2010, 01:10:18 PM
Hell yes, we are begging. The deadline is coming up ya know.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on January 28, 2010, 02:05:03 PM
I wonder if any in NH know the answer to these questions.  The property taxes are crazy.  I saw one property for $120k the tax value was like $300K and the taxes were like 5500 per year.   No wonder no one wants the property the taxes would be higher than the monthly mortgage payment.  Can a person get a re-evaluation of the property to bring it more in line with it's real value?   

Another thing I have noticed is cottage camps and seasonal property.  Is that a restriction on the property or can the housing be insulated heated and qualify as year round residence? 


towns play a numbers game w/ prop. taxes...
if valuation goes down all around, they still have to raise ''x'' dollars to run the town , so they apply a 'multiplier' to compensate...my town was at 1.39 many years ago...
it's all a bunch of shell-game bullshit.
if everyone asks for a reval, & gets a lower figure, they still have to raise the same, if not more $ than the prior year,  to run the operation.

also, ''camps & seasonals'' usually are zoned differently:
the idea is that the septics typ. aren't state-approved design
setbacks & lot sizes don't meet the grade for year-round, etc.
they don't want families living there year round & adding kids to the classrooms
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on February 02, 2010, 05:31:20 PM
Oklahoma City and surrounding area
How is the weather in OK?

Averages looks like it isn't too hot in the summer, and it is normally above freezing in the winter.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on February 02, 2010, 11:19:17 PM
If I were able to move I think I would be more tempted to move to VT.  They seem to have several better laws and a much more tolerant population.   
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on February 02, 2010, 11:23:33 PM
If I were able to move I think I would be more tempted to move to VT.  They seem to have several better laws and a much more tolerant population.   
I like their CCW laws (no permit required).  I heard they have high taxes though, but I don't really know.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on February 02, 2010, 11:29:20 PM
If I were able to move I think I would be more tempted to move to VT.  They seem to have several better laws and a much more tolerant population.  
Cold and bad home school laws. I'd take NH or ME over VT. But I would go to VT if I could find a good property, because I like New England.

ME has pretty good weed laws.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4541
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Possession of less than 2.5 ounces is a civil violation, punishable by a fine of $200 - $400. Possession of 2.5 ounces or more is considered evidence of intent to distribute and is punished as such (see below).

Possession of a usable amount of marijuana is lawful if at the time of the possession the person has an authenticated copy of a medical record demonstrating that the person has a physician's recommendation.

Cultivation of five plants or less of marijuana is punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. For greater than five plants, the penalties increase to up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $2,000. For greater than 100 plants the possible punishment is up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000. For any amount of plants greater than 500, the penalties increase to up to ten years in prison and a fine of up to $20,000.

The penalty for sale of marijuana is up to one year in jail and a fine up to $2,000. The penalties increase to up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000 if the sale was made to a minor or if it occurred within 1,000 feet of a school or on a school bus.

Possession of greater than one pound of marijuana is considered trafficking and is punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $2,000.

Possession and personal use of paraphernalia is a civil violation punishable by a fine of $200. The sale of paraphernalia is punishable by up to six months in prison and a fine of up to $1,000, unless the sale was to a minor, in which case the penalty increases to up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $2,000.

Upon conviction, the court may suspend or revoke the professional license of the offender.

OK is a no notice state for home school stuff.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on February 03, 2010, 12:01:56 AM
Oklahoma County Jail is said to be one of the worst County Jails in the country.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on February 03, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
OK doesn't sound good to me, but I don't like anywhere.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on February 03, 2010, 12:14:50 AM
I've lived a little bit of everywhere and apart from minor details they're all the same.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: One two three on February 03, 2010, 01:46:33 AM
I've lived a little bit of everywhere and apart from minor details they're all the same.

Except in NH where adults don't have to legally wear seat belts.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on February 03, 2010, 08:41:19 AM
I've lived a little bit of everywhere and apart from minor details they're all the same.

Except in NH where adults don't have to legally wear seat belts.

minor details
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on February 25, 2010, 11:36:05 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/25/real_estate/home_price_forecast/index.htm?hpt=T2

Duck! Watch out for falling home prices


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Despite signs that the real estate market might be lurching forward, prices are expected to fall further this year and next.

The average home price in the United States will fall by about 6% by September 2011, according to a joint report between Fiserv and Moody's Economy.com. And that's after plunging more than 27% in the past three years.

Most of the projected home price decline will occur during the usually slow summer months of 2010. After that, prices should begin to stabilize, according to Fiserv, and stay almost flat through fall of 2011.

The main reason for continued decline, according to Mark Zandi, economist and co-founder of Economy.com, is foreclosures -- the same thing that's plagued markets for the past three years.

"Foreclosure sales will pick up this spring as mortgage servicers figure out who can qualify for a modification and who can't," said Zandi.

He figures there are at least 4.5 million mortgage loans either in foreclosure or clearly headed in that direction. When that additional inventory hits the market, it will provide numerous choices for buyers and encourage sellers to drop their listing prices.
Check the home price forecast in your city

The end of two federal programs, which have been propping up markets, will also tamp down prices.

The Federal Reserve has been purchasing mortgage-backed securities since early 2009, scooping up as much as $1.25 trillion worth. That has dampened rate increases by providing a ready market for the securities. But the Fed's program lapses on March 31, when it cedes the playing field to private investors, who will almost surely demand higher rates.

Any resulting rise in rates will cause some buyers to withdraw from the market and others to look for lower priced homes. Either way, demand for homes drops and so do prices.

A month after the Fed bows out of the mortgage-buying market, the homebuyer tax credit will start to expire. To qualify for the $8,000 credit, homebuyers must sign a contract before April 30 and close by June 30. When the first date passes, many buyers are expected to vacate the market, weakening the demand for homes.

In a broader sense, home prices are ultimately decided by employment. "If [the job market] improvement is stronger than expected, prices will get better. If it's weaker than expected, prices will be worse," Zandi said.
Worst of the worst

The worst performing market will be Miami, Fla. Moody's projects prices there to drop a heart-stopping 29.2% by Sept. 30. That follows a 47.7% decline the metro area recorded in the past three years. Grand total: 64% drop.

Other disastrous performances will be turned in by the Hanford, Calif., metro area, where prices are projected to plummet 27.2% through Sept. 30, 2010 following their 36.9% drop for the previous 36 months. Ft. Lauderdale and West Palm will also register steep drops.

There's some good price news coming out of California's Central Valley for a change; prices will begin to emerge from their free fall toward the end of this year.

In Merced, for example, which crashed and burned by 71.8% in the past three years (through last September), they'll only fall only another 6.2% in the next six months before bouncing back with a rise of 10.1% by Sept. 30, 2011.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on February 25, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
Yep.
Homes and even more so commercial real estate is going down the shitslide, long and hard. Not even halfway there yet.

And of course the US Gov't is where all those toxic mortgages are accumulating. As T-bonds mature over the next 3-5 years, watch the US gov't implode...
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: mikehz on February 25, 2010, 09:22:59 PM
Oklahoma County Jail is said to be one of the worst County Jails in the country.

My younger brother, who used to be a professional criminal, spent time there. "Mike, I done time in a lot of jails. But, I ain't never doin' no crime in that place!"
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 02, 2010, 12:53:10 PM
ME has pretty good weed laws.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4541

If I factor in cannabis laws, Maine comes up on top.

But it's pretty fucking cold in the winter.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 02, 2010, 01:48:50 PM
ME has pretty good weed laws.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4541

If I factor in cannabis laws, Maine comes up on top.

But it's pretty fucking cold in the winter.

I don't think its worth it if you have normal weed habits and associate with grownups.

I think I'd make a top-five list and exclude the rest. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on March 02, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Oklahoma County Jail is said to be one of the worst County Jails in the country.

My younger brother, who used to be a professional criminal, spent time there. "Mike, I done time in a lot of jails. But, I ain't never doin' no crime in that place!"

Your brother thinks the OK County jail is the middle of a Category 5 shit tornado, then?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: mikehz on March 02, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Oklahoma County Jail is said to be one of the worst County Jails in the country.

My younger brother, who used to be a professional criminal, spent time there. "Mike, I done time in a lot of jails. But, I ain't never doin' no crime in that place!"

Your brother thinks the OK County jail is the middle of a Category 5 shit tornado, then?
He did not much care for the place, and has no desire to visit again.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 02, 2010, 09:26:37 PM
Oklahoma County Jail is said to be one of the worst County Jails in the country.

My younger brother, who used to be a professional criminal, spent time there. "Mike, I done time in a lot of jails. But, I ain't never doin' no crime in that place!"

Your brother thinks the OK County jail is the middle of a Category 5 shit tornado, then?
He did not much care for the place, and has no desire to visit again.
OK is off my list.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 02, 2010, 11:30:23 PM
I have no interest in the great plains.  They give me the heebie jeebies being in the middle of a flat fuckin' nuthin'.  I think that spatial distortion fucks with peoples heads, and breeds a certain brand of crazy that just don't give a fuck.  Which is probly why the OK County lockup is filled with hard hombres.  They're tetched. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on March 03, 2010, 01:52:15 PM
blackie should move to indiana
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 03, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
blackie should move to indiana

Suicide rate in Indiana is 65%
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on March 03, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
blackie should move to indiana

Suicide rate in Indiana is 65%

lol
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on March 03, 2010, 08:14:17 PM
blackie should move to indiana

Suicide rate in Indiana is 65%

blackie can ramp up that number
help them meet quota n' all....
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on March 03, 2010, 10:45:06 PM
blackie should move to indiana
South-central "Kentuckyana" is not a bad option.

The area around Gnaw Bone (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=gnaw+bone,+in&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.972233,64.248047&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Gnaw+Bone,+Brown,+Indiana&ll=39.190888,-86.155472&spn=0.092333,0.125484&z=13) is gorgeous. Lots of green, wooded open space. Reasonably cheap. Close to Indiana University (great university town). Close to Columbus, IN (jobs). Not too far from Indianapolis for cultural-fu. And you can hear the Indianapolis radio stations, so you'll still get FTL.

You're better off in NH, tho.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 04, 2010, 03:17:36 PM
Suicide is the only sensible answer.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on March 04, 2010, 04:02:51 PM
send us a postcard
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 04, 2010, 04:27:26 PM
I'd take you with me.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 04, 2010, 05:20:42 PM
Theres always room for one more. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on March 04, 2010, 06:12:03 PM
I'd take you with me.

i'd come back as a ghost & skull fuck your mom, dad, siblings....dig up yer granparents & kill 'em again...
dig you up, wrap you in a dead pig's entrails & leave you in downtown jerusalem
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on March 04, 2010, 08:49:36 PM
Don't fear the reefer
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 04, 2010, 09:02:55 PM
dig you up
I plan on being cremated.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 10, 2010, 05:11:14 PM
Looking at houses in TX makes me want to kill myself. For real.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 10, 2010, 05:52:57 PM
Looking at houses in TX makes me want to kill myself. For real.

If the relatively lax view on personal behaviors in Maine is attractive, why would you consider buying anything in Texas? 

End up in the clinker, you'll be royally fucked in TX. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 10, 2010, 06:12:10 PM
Looking at houses in TX makes me want to kill myself. For real.

If the relatively lax view on personal behaviors in Maine is attractive, why would you consider buying anything in Texas? 

End up in the clinker, you'll be royally fucked in TX. 
Only because I have a "good" job in TX, and TX has good home school laws.  If I got laid off tomorrow, I'd start making plans to leave TX ASAP.

I look at TX as a temporary thing, but I fear getting stuck here. I would get a house that needs some work and hopefully be able to sell the house in a few years after I fix it up.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 10, 2010, 06:51:31 PM
Looking at houses in TX makes me want to kill myself. For real.

If the relatively lax view on personal behaviors in Maine is attractive, why would you consider buying anything in Texas? 

End up in the clinker, you'll be royally fucked in TX. 
Only because I have a "good" job in TX, and TX has good home school laws.  If I got laid off tomorrow, I'd start making plans to leave TX ASAP.

I look at TX as a temporary thing, but I fear getting stuck here. I would get a house that needs some work and hopefully be able to sell the house in a few years after I fix it up.


I like Maine except for the cold.  Brutal, man.  But the woodsyness is nice, and the fixer-uppers are the right price.

I can still possibly convince myself on Maine if it was a total slam-dunk.  I just wouldn't leave the house from December to June, which is fine with me. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 10, 2010, 10:04:08 PM
Maine is still on the top of my list. My sister is trying to talk me into northern Maine, near Caribou.

I think I would want to be as far south as I could afford, probably about 20 miles or so from Bangor. There is an airport in Bangor if I need to travel for work.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on March 10, 2010, 10:42:43 PM
I have family in Houlton. It's very, uh, boring.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 10, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
I have family in Houlton. It's very, uh, boring.

I like boring.  I can always travel to exotic locales to find not-boring.  But I can't make not-boring get the fuck away from my house. 

Thats the big thing for me is controlling my primary environment.  Some people like the slam-bang of cities, I guess they crave shit happening around them.  I can understand that, having lived outside a city all my life.  Not a noteworthy one, but still. 

I'm absolutely ready to get the fuck away from that shit.  There are some very remote areas around here, which would probably be perfect for my ideals.  I just don't like the state itself, and I feel that I've contributed way too much to it, I've got something of a grudge about it.  So I'm looking for one that hasn't pissed me off, and is more "deserving" of my vote of residency, as meager as it is. 

It doesn't always make sense trying to legitimize where you put yourself during your mortal existence.  But I guess its better than being oblivious of these considerations.  Right? 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 11, 2010, 12:10:01 AM
Maine is still on the top of my list. My sister is trying to talk me into northern Maine, near Caribou.

I think I would want to be as far south as I could afford, probably about 20 miles or so from Bangor. There is an airport in Bangor if I need to travel for work.


I've been browsing their for-sales.  I found a nice place for $55k on the Canadian border, if Maine was a clock, this place would be at the 2'oclock position.  Far east, and a little bit upwards. 

Problem was, its a trailer.  I think you have too many kids for that.  But it was nicely kept, three acres, had a couple out-buildings.  For myself it'd be a nice place to grab, and put up a little prefab DIY place in a few years.  Do the foundation one year, the house the next.  All the utilities were there, even had a small brook-fed pond (obviously, naturally running water I don't have to explain the importance of that).   

Big-time nowhere.  It was near a town and all, but the town was kinda remote.  I don't think that matters much nowadays, with WalMart and Amazon - unless you want the airport, and the other conveniences of a city to be more readily available.  I'm guessing it was two hours to Bangor, if not more. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Diogenes The Cynic on March 11, 2010, 02:01:38 PM
You know, at this stage of my life, moving to New Hampshire would be doable were it nor for the lack of Jewish communities there.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on March 11, 2010, 02:05:34 PM
You know, at this stage of my life, moving to New Hampshire would be doable were it nor for the lack of Jewish communities there.

Hang out with Seth Cohn.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on March 11, 2010, 02:23:39 PM
You know, at this stage of my life, moving to New Hampshire would be doable were it nor for the lack of Jewish communities there.
2008 Legislator of the Year was a Jewish fellow. (ed - maybe it was 2007. whatever)
Several of our top-rated House Reps are Jewish.

I assume this is due to:
a) the lack of Jewish communities out here (wf?)
b) the giant checks from the z10ni5t lobbying organizations in the shadow government who actually control the NHLA, FSP, and FTL
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 11, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
You know, at this stage of my life, moving to New Hampshire would be doable were it nor for the lack of Jewish communities there.

Manchester is pretty big.  They've got temple there.  How many Jews do you need, fifty miles from Boston and 150 miles from NYC? 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 11, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
There is also a temple in Nashua.

During the 8 years I lived in NH, I think I only saw one orthodox Jew, at Fun Spot.

That doesn't count the one I saw on TV, lighting the menorah in front of the state house.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2006/12/15/holidays/photoessay2274034_1_4_photo.shtml
(http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/12/15/image2274054.jpg)
Rabbi Levi Krinsky lights the Menorah in front of the State house in Concord, N.H., Friday, Dec. 15, 2006 to start the eight-day holiday of Hanukkah.  (Photo: CBS)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on March 11, 2010, 04:25:52 PM
jesus,
we went to storyland (white mtn region) a couple years past in the summer, and it was OVERUN by ortho-jews.....
little yids w/ yarmulkes running around everywhere, and not-one-single-smiling parent (what, with $22.00 per entrance fees, kids & adults alike)
also, some of the rudest motherfuckers you're likely to meet...ie:
pregnant lady w/ small child in tow, standing at the end of a picnic table, holding it for her family & waiting (even had her big shoulder bag sitting on the end)
pack-o-jews slide in behind her & overtake the table...with nary a,  'scuse me, or , is this table taken?
obnoxious fucks
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 11, 2010, 09:12:44 PM
You know, at this stage of my life, moving to New Hampshire would be doable were it nor for the lack of Jewish communities there.

Hang out with Seth Cohn.
Seth Cohn is ruining it for the Jews.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on March 11, 2010, 09:24:49 PM
It doesn't always make sense trying to legitimize where you put yourself during your mortal existence.  But I guess its better than being oblivious of these considerations.  Right? 

I'm just saying you're most likely gonna have to find a way to be self-employed if you move to somewhere like that.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 11, 2010, 09:38:40 PM
It doesn't always make sense trying to legitimize where you put yourself during your mortal existence.  But I guess its better than being oblivious of these considerations.  Right? 

I'm just saying you're most likely gonna have to find a way to be self-employed if you move to somewhere like that.
Yeah, that's the problem.

Also, no good internet access in the remote parts. You can go satellite, but that is expensive and sucks. Teleworker stuff is kinda hard to do.

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on March 11, 2010, 09:44:07 PM
It doesn't always make sense trying to legitimize where you put yourself during your mortal existence.  But I guess its better than being oblivious of these considerations.  Right? 

I'm just saying you're most likely gonna have to find a way to be self-employed if you move to somewhere like that.
Yeah, that's the problem.

Also, no good internet access in the remote parts. You can go satellite, but that is expensive and sucks. Teleworker stuff is kinda hard to do.

I know they either have cable or DSL internet in Houlton. Rent out a space in town for like $300 a month and work from there, eh.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on March 11, 2010, 09:53:43 PM
It doesn't always make sense trying to legitimize where you put yourself during your mortal existence.  But I guess its better than being oblivious of these considerations.  Right? 

I'm just saying you're most likely gonna have to find a way to be self-employed if you move to somewhere like that.
Yeah, that's the problem.

Also, no good internet access in the remote parts. You can go satellite, but that is expensive and sucks. Teleworker stuff is kinda hard to do.

I know they either have cable or DSL internet in Houlton. Rent out a space in town for like $300 a month and work from there, eh.
I was about to do something similar when I was living in Grafton. Dial up is painful.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 11, 2010, 10:19:46 PM
It doesn't always make sense trying to legitimize where you put yourself during your mortal existence.  But I guess its better than being oblivious of these considerations.  Right? 

I'm just saying you're most likely gonna have to find a way to be self-employed if you move to somewhere like that.

Ya, theres not much to pick from.  Thats one of the reasons I do what I do, so I can work from a boat or a cabin.  Or the fuckin' moon.  I wouldn't take a place where it didn't have some sort of hi-speed available. 

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on March 12, 2010, 11:54:39 AM
Don't move to Hopkinton.
From what I can tell I am the only person in town who seriously uses comcast during the day. Fucking blazing-fast. Faster than when I lived in Concord. Faster than when I lived in the Bay Area.
Fast.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on March 12, 2010, 12:23:22 PM
Don't move to Hopkinton.
From what I can tell I am the only person in town who seriously uses comcast during the day. Fucking blazing-fast. Faster than when I lived in Concord. Faster than when I lived in the Bay Area.
Fast.


shit.
that ,plus the annual fair & low jew count, makes hopkinton a win for me....
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on March 12, 2010, 02:10:55 PM
Don't move to Hopkinton.
From what I can tell I am the only person in town who seriously uses comcast during the day. Fucking blazing-fast. Faster than when I lived in Concord. Faster than when I lived in the Bay Area.
Fast.

We could get fucked up all day and throw beercans all over the lawn, have the wife bring us sammiches.  Wheel that bigscreen out on the porch, Clark. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on March 12, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
I got a big ass patio in the back yard -- used to be an aboveground pool, now it's called "my summer office"
Wifi-to the house
Beers
Comfy chair
Good times
Silicon Valley suckers slavin' away in their cubicles! Ha-Ha!
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on March 12, 2010, 02:59:39 PM


We could get fucked up all day and throw beercans all over the lawn, have the wife bring us sammiches.  Wheel that bigscreen out on the porch, Clark. 


i bet you could leave a couch on the front lawn up there forever, and nobody would give a fuck, unlike keene/ian chronicles..
shit, people would be wondering why the whole fucking living room set wasn't out....
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: anarchir on March 13, 2010, 04:22:34 PM
And Hopkinton is only an hour from Keene, making it close enough to enable participation in the activities there? Cool.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on March 15, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
And Hopkinton is only an hour from Keene, making it close enough to enable participation in the activities there? Cool.
never driven it; don't know

H-town is only 45 mins from Nashua
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on April 22, 2010, 04:53:04 PM
What about just a trailer, but not in a park?
I looked at a couple "mobile homes" a few weeks ago. They seemed pretty cheaply built. I am pretty sure that is the first time I have been in one.

I liked the neighborhood one was in. 2.25 acres with no deed restrictions, and no zoning, private well and septic system. But there was an older dying person living in it, and it smelled bad. It was a  Clayton home (http://www.claytonhomes.com/), whatever that is.

My wife said she would only want to live in a trailer if it was new.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on April 22, 2010, 05:52:25 PM
They ARE cheaply made.  They depreciate.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on April 22, 2010, 09:09:13 PM
They ARE cheaply made. 

that's why the ''trailer stigma'' & all the asst. jokes
that's why if you tell someone, ''i live in a trailer'', they don't high-five you & say ''sweet''

cheap steel frame
2 x nothing lumber
paper-thin interior walls
plumbing fixtures & faucets you CAN'T FUCKING FIND IN ANY SUPPLY HOUSE...(plastic faucets)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on April 24, 2010, 07:18:40 PM
I could build something better than a trailer, and so could you.

http://www.montanamobilecabins.com/

http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/houses/weebee/?ev=7a60d71fa5

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 11, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
Hey Blackie.

http://www.landwatch.com/Wayne-County-Pennsylvania-House-for-sale/pid/116436024
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: One two three on May 11, 2010, 11:27:59 PM
Hey Blackie.

http://www.landwatch.com/Wayne-County-Pennsylvania-House-for-sale/pid/116436024

It sounds like a neighborhood association type thing.  Horrible for a freedom person, even a semi-freedom person like blackie.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: John Shaw on May 11, 2010, 11:39:57 PM
even a semi-freedom person like blackie.

TROLL'D
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 12, 2010, 12:32:33 AM
Fucking morons like him is why I quit.


Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: John Shaw on May 12, 2010, 01:20:10 AM
Fucking morons like him is why I quit.

I suspect that he will convince THOUSANDS of people to join the FSP that way. Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on May 12, 2010, 03:11:44 AM
Fucking morons like him is why I quit.

I suspect that he will convince THOUSANDS of people to join the FSP that way. Are you kidding me?

They will touch their lips down onto the cool cool watah, and than BAM

A BULLET RIGHT IN THEIR GODDAMNN HEADS!

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on May 12, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
Fucking morons like him is why I quit.

I quit once too.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: One two three on May 12, 2010, 11:13:41 AM
Fucking morons like him is why I quit.




Join 10 neighborhood associations for all I care.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: davann on May 12, 2010, 11:47:53 AM
I did not read the whole thread so I am not sure if there is a geographic criteria but Las Vegas homes & land are getting cheap. Right now the idiotic California investors/flippers are back buying up a dozen properties at a time again which should give the home sales for the quarter a little bump but many experts are expecting another large drop. I read there is an estimated 20,000 people leaving the city a month, which is an exact about face of what was happening during the boom years. As far as I know the exodus number has not changed much. The gaming industry is hurting major so employment prospects are lean. I'd say within a year a home priced today at 130,000 should drop to 110,000. Of course I am no expert.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on May 12, 2010, 11:50:31 AM
Most neighborhood associations seem pretty bad to me, but there was one down here that didn't really have any rules. So I guess it depends. And when you are looking at stuff in my price range, you pretty much have to compromise somewhere. I'm probably not going to get everything I want.

I've had a place in Maine inspected. I'm gunna fly up in a couple weeks to smell the neighborhood and do some recon. The town has a planning board, but they don't have any "codes", or at least that is what the inspector said.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 09, 2010, 01:20:03 PM
The trigger has been pulled.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: davann on June 09, 2010, 01:35:50 PM
The trigger has been pulled.

Details?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 09, 2010, 01:40:47 PM
The trigger has been pulled.

Details?
An offer has been made on a property in Maine.

There is a crapper in the basement.
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/908/44041024.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on June 09, 2010, 02:16:19 PM
The trigger has been pulled.

Details?
An offer has been made on a property in Maine.

There is a crapper in the basement.
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/908/44041024.jpg)


i'd back out....
they didn't put the little plastic cap covers on the bolts
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: davann on June 09, 2010, 02:27:54 PM
The trigger has been pulled.

Details?
An offer has been made on a property in Maine.

There is a crapper in the basement.
(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/908/44041024.jpg)

What an odd thing to highlight about the details. It looks like a fine crapper though.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on June 09, 2010, 04:09:36 PM
Sooo... all the shitting is done in the basement?

How much land? Do you have a good line of sight up the driveway?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: davann on June 09, 2010, 09:37:10 PM
Sooo... all the shitting is done in the basement?


Maybe not the whole family...

(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/2589/gooniessloth.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 09, 2010, 10:50:54 PM
Sooo... all the shitting is done in the basement?
There are like 8 toilets in the place. One bathroom has two toilets in it.

Quote
How much land? Do you have a good line of sight up the driveway?
none(.3 acres)

Not really a driveway as much as a parking lot.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 10, 2010, 04:01:45 AM
I'm so happy for you, man.







Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on June 10, 2010, 09:25:49 AM
There are like 8 toilets in the place. One bathroom has two toilets in it.
Shit... any room you can't shit in?


How much land? Do you have a good line of sight up the driveway?
none(.3 acres)
Not really a driveway as much as a parking lot.
Ouch.
That's a big drawback.
Neighbors are... bleah.
At least you can tell them to go shit in (just about any) corner.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Turd Ferguson on June 10, 2010, 10:18:45 AM
Sooo... all the shitting is done in the basement?
There are like 8 toilets in the place. One bathroom has two toilets in it.

Only use I can think of for two toilets in one bathroom is hosting a shitting competition
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: TimeLady Victorious on June 10, 2010, 12:31:32 PM
Sooo... all the shitting is done in the basement?
There are like 8 toilets in the place. One bathroom has two toilets in it.

Only use I can think of for two toilets in one bathroom is hosting a shitting competition


Or if you're into scat.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: John Shaw on June 10, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Sooo... all the shitting is done in the basement?
There are like 8 toilets in the place. One bathroom has two toilets in it.

Only use I can think of for two toilets in one bathroom is hosting a shitting competition


Or if you're into scat.

I always imagined that if you were into scat you wouldn't need terlets at all.

I imagined a bunch of refrigerators and buckets. Can you imagine a scat hoarder? Ew.

Then again, I always wondered why scat people weren't eating glitter and food color to have more festive, imaginative turds. You know, working out recipes so that they could take aesthetically pleasing dumps on each other.

I bet there's a product to sell somewhere in there...

GLITTER SHOTS, THE ENERGY DRINK THAT MAKES YOUR SHIT SHINE!
Available in eight distinctive colors!
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on June 10, 2010, 01:53:07 PM
On one of the British documentary shows which featured people who hoard as a living, there was this one guy who would collect all of his #1 and #2 and store it in bottles and buckets out in the open.

The smell. The smell...
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 10, 2010, 02:03:46 PM
Sometimes froot loops will turn my crap green. It's hot.

http://www.poopreport.com/Intellectual/Content/Dye/dye.html
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: anarchir on June 10, 2010, 03:35:39 PM
On one of the British documentary shows which featured people who hoard as a living, there was this one guy who would collect all of his #1 and #2 and store it in bottles and buckets out in the open.

The smell. The smell...
(http://www.craphound.com/images/trucker_urine_jug_poster.jpg)
Way of the road man, way of the road.
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6363/pissjugs.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on June 10, 2010, 07:01:50 PM

There are like 8 toilets in the place. One bathroom has two toilets in it.

Only use I can think of for two toilets in one bathroom is hosting a shitting competition


just a wild hunch, but one's prob a bidet.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 10, 2010, 09:44:14 PM
It's got stalls for shitting competitions.

(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2835/stall.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on June 10, 2010, 09:47:21 PM
Looks like a confessional.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 11, 2010, 11:44:24 PM
How much land? Do you have a good line of sight up the driveway?
none(.3 acres)
Not really a driveway as much as a parking lot.
Ouch.
That's a big drawback.
Neighbors are... bleah.
Yeah.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on June 11, 2010, 11:48:30 PM
Weather's nice... you ever make it down to Nashua, gimme a holler.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on June 12, 2010, 11:24:18 AM
It's got stalls for shitting competitions.

(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2835/stall.jpg)

looks like a public restroom
ain't never seen that in a house b4....
the bead-board is a nice touch
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on June 12, 2010, 10:54:03 PM
So there's a bajillion toilets, fine.
Blackie, knowing you .... where's the grow op?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 13, 2010, 02:07:14 PM
I haven't grown anything in a few years, and don't plan on it unless it's legit.

But this place has more bedrooms than toilets, and each bedroom has a urinal sink in it.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9703/95544369.jpg)


For a big grow op, the basement would probably work. It something like 60' x 35'.

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1821/16615228.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: The Metal Madman on June 13, 2010, 07:14:19 PM
Weather's nice... you ever make it down to Nashua, gimme a holler.

I just moved to Derry after being around the Nashua/Hudson border for 7 years.

Missing Bobs Pizza and the Prime Rib at Joes (Pheasant Lane Mall)!!!
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: yamnuska on June 14, 2010, 03:47:06 AM
I haven't grown anything in a few years, and don't plan on it unless it's legit.

But this place has more bedrooms than toilets, and each bedroom has a urinal sink in it.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9703/95544369.jpg)


For a big grow op, the basement would probably work. It something like 60' x 35'.

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1821/16615228.jpg)

Did it used to be a boarding house/bedsit/B&B?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on June 14, 2010, 04:27:14 AM
Its very not cool to talk about what he could do in his rooms.  Regardless of howmany fuckin toilets he has.





Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 14, 2010, 02:32:43 PM
Did it used to be a boarding house/bedsit/B&B?
Yes.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on June 14, 2010, 06:51:53 PM
Did it used to be a boarding house/bedsit/B&B?
Yes.
FINALLY this all makes sense.
Jesus
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: John Shaw on June 14, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
(http://www.motifake.com/demotivational-poster/0809/chill-pill-demotivational-poster-1221956724.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: John Shaw on June 14, 2010, 07:19:40 PM
I hate when I hit ctrl-v and the wrong thing goes up because I forgot to ctrl-c.

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: digitalfour on June 14, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
Even worse is Ctrl-Q instead of Ctrl-W.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 17, 2010, 09:34:14 AM
I think the only things left to do are the title search, and the closing.

How bad is lead paint?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on June 17, 2010, 10:36:35 AM
It's harmless, actually reduces blood pressure and strengthens bones they just banned it cuz it blocks the x-rays.


but really, if it's on something it's harmless, if you scrape and sandblast and turn it into airborne dust it's harmful.  Where Wear a respirator.  There's a big difference between occasional exposure and regular occupational exposure.  You could probably snort a line of asbestos and get nothing but a nosebleed so long as you only did it once.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on June 17, 2010, 10:40:59 AM
How bad is lead paint?
Lead paint is awesome!!!
It lets you knock thousands of dollars off the price. Get a quote from a contractor, for the cost to remove all the old paint and apply new latex paint. You then go to the seller with that quote and insist that amount be deducted from the price.

We found evidence of termites at an investment property a couple of years ago. Best thing that could have happened. We used FUD that entailed to knock lots of price off our already lowball offer.

It's then up to you, AFTER you buy the place, to remediate the problem or not. If you have small kids who might eat the paint, do it. If your kids are old enough to not eat paint, maybe take a pass.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on June 17, 2010, 12:08:28 PM
I haven't tested the place for lead, but I assume it is there. The place was built in the 1920s. I grabbed a few samples of paint chips when i was there.

I plan on spending 15K or so on the place before my kids get there. I want to get rid of any chipping paint, and stuff like that. A real lead abatement is out of the question. That would cost more than is being spent on the place.


Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: ForumTroll on June 17, 2010, 08:57:02 PM
Chipping paint isn't good for kids anyway, no matter if it has lead in it or not. Things end up in mouths...
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on June 19, 2010, 04:54:47 PM
Chipping paint isn't good for kids anyway, no matter if it has lead in it or not. Things end up in mouths...

only dumb kids boner, dumb kids..
& black & latino kids, like on the commercial
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on July 08, 2010, 02:44:13 PM
I need to get a new tax assessment. The current assessment is almost 4x the price it sold for.

Insurance is crazier. They want to insure it for over $400k. It would be nice to collect even half of that.

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on July 08, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
Abatement season fr most towns is in May, IIRC
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on September 17, 2010, 12:15:20 AM
My contractor is a lair and a thief, and he acts like he is doing me favors.

Two utility sinks are missing out of the basement, and the contractor said he never saw them. But he sent me pictures of them a few months ago. I couldn't understand why someone would steal them, but I guess they may be antiques or something. A sink was missing from one of the kitchens before I bought the place...and it kinda makes sense why now. I didn't realize how much old sinks are worth. I was just excited to have two big utility sinks. I can't believe I am paying the fucker to steal from me. Now I have to pay to have a crappy plastic utility sink.

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3949/sinks.jpg)

How am I supposed to deal with this fucker?




Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on September 17, 2010, 12:21:18 AM
Blast him with piss.

Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on September 17, 2010, 12:53:00 AM
stop giving him money
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: BonerJoe on September 17, 2010, 12:54:46 AM
badmainecontractor.com
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Bill Brasky on September 17, 2010, 01:11:07 AM
4-D Maglite
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on September 17, 2010, 07:03:15 AM
''never saw them''??!!!
shit, blackie, thems are old janitor service sinks.......enamelled CAST IRON
they weigh, like, 200+lbs a piece, for fucks sakes....they take TWO GUYS TO CARRY, and he doesn't ''remember''?
at least TWO assholes would ''remember''

tell him somebody better 'remember'', or you call the BBB
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on September 17, 2010, 11:44:41 AM
Letter from a lawyer on lawyer's letterhead.
Include pics of the stolen property and a specific itemized bill of what exactly you need to be made whole.
Yeah the lawyer sucks up a hunnerd bucks but it should be enough to make the guy pay you to Go Away
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Riddler on September 17, 2010, 06:26:13 PM
+ them fucking things are HUGE money new....and command a decent penno used, cuz they's antiques.

they usually clean up well, less'n someone chipped shit out the enamel
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 08, 2010, 11:12:01 PM
badmainecontractor.com
I think I am going to have to do that.

Here is the after picture of what he did. This is fucked up.

(http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8073/nosink.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: BonerJoe on October 08, 2010, 11:28:03 PM
Never there...yet the drain and supply lines are all neatly patched up with new hardware. Hmm...
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 08, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
Yeah, and he gave me the receipts for the hardware.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on October 09, 2010, 12:41:28 AM
Yeah, and he gave me the receipts for the hardware.

lol

You'll get him in the end then if you want to bad enough.  Why have you not yet posted his name address and phone number to warn others away?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: BonerJoe on October 09, 2010, 12:56:59 AM
Take it to Judge Judy.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: anarchir on October 09, 2010, 01:05:38 AM
Take it to Judge Judy.

If the guy is Mexican, you'll lose then. Go to Joe Brown, unless he's black, better go to Mathias...

Seriously though, Judy strikes me as reverse-racist (positive racism?).
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on October 09, 2010, 08:03:33 AM
Yeah, and he gave me the receipts for the hardware.

Look all the evidence is on your side on this one.  You need to take this guy to civil court and like pronto.  You don't want to end up losing simply because of a statue of limitations time line.  Those sinks are worth some major $$$.  http://www.thisoldtubandsink.com/19stampoovca.html (http://www.thisoldtubandsink.com/19stampoovca.html)  Not exactly your sinks but even used these are listed for $595 each.  So this guy walked off with $1200 worth of your property.  You have to decide if that is worth a civil suit or at least calling the BBB.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 09, 2010, 11:31:57 AM
The closest sink I have found so far is going for $425.
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3258/pc0048.jpg)

I think I have 2 years to address this shit with the system. I'd rather not go to the cops, and I think I would have to do that to make a formal complaint.

The utility sinks are only the tip of the iceberg.

We had him take 8 sinks out of bedrooms, and told him to put them in the basement. He only put two of them in the basement, and said he threw the other 6 out. It looks like they may be been worth around $100 each.
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6707/brsink.jpg)


I am going to ask the dude if he want to do private arbitration or mediation. That's why I haven't "gone public" yet.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on October 09, 2010, 11:54:36 PM
The closest sink I have found so far is going for $425.

I am going to ask the dude if he want to do private arbitration or mediation. That's why I haven't "gone public" yet.

I am assuming you got referrals for the contractor prior to his hiring.  If not mistake number one. 
Why were you not on location while he was doing all this work?  Or at least had a trusted friend making sure these guys did not take off with your stuff? 

Now I have been guilty of leaving a contractor in my home alone.  But I had to get out while they were painting due to the fumes.  I don't have proof but I think two of my rings were taken from my jewelry box.   I won't ever leave the property while a contractor is doing work ever again.  And plan to keep my small valuables with me even if that is outside while they work on the inside. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 10, 2010, 01:01:24 AM

I am assuming you got referrals for the contractor prior to his hiring.  If not mistake number one. 
Why were you not on location while he was doing all this work?  Or at least had a trusted friend making sure these guys did not take off with your stuff? 

This guy was supposed to be overseeing the sub-contractors, and not really doing any of the work.

I was 2000 miles away.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on October 10, 2010, 01:16:57 AM
y'know...  I do good work and am trustworthy.  You've been on this board how long and didn't even consult me?  A plane ticket doesn't cost much in comparison to a job that size and you didn't even ask a pro-liberty anti-taxation remodeling contractor anything at all.  Maybe it's just cuz I'm a little buzzed but right now I'm thinking you got what you deserved, if you wanted an honest person you'd have made an effort to use one in the first place.e

I probably would have declined, depends on the exact timeline, right now the answer would be no, I'm swamped, when you bought the house I'm pretty sure I could have made time.  How much did those sinks cost?  A lot more than a round trip ticket I expect.  It wouldn't have been the first time I flew to NH to spend a month working on a house.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 10, 2010, 01:24:03 AM
right now I'm thinking you got what you deserved
Fuck you.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on October 10, 2010, 01:27:56 AM
Exactly what I was thinking.  Apparently you thought it first. Did you talk to LLoyd?  Joel Winters?  You don't want to take care of the liberty community don't expect them to take care of you. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 10, 2010, 01:40:16 AM
It's not in NH. It's in ME.

Fuck Lloyd. I tried to buy some of his stupid wooden toys around christmas time,  after he complained about not selling any in a post, and he didn't even respond to the email. No wonder he didn't sell any.

I don't know Joel Winters. Am I supposed to?

I don't expect anything from the liberty community.

Anyway, it wasn't a secret I way trying to buy the place, and it needed work. If you wanted to put a bid in you could have said something, but you didn't. I don't read minds. I also didn't know you travel to do work. As far as I knew, you only did work in OK.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: Ecolitan on October 10, 2010, 01:45:06 AM
I know nothing personally of Joel or Lloyd's work, I would call them before I hired a GC in the area.  Clearly, you don't expect anything and that's what you got.  So why are you bothering us with it now that it's too late?  I didn't know you had enough work to justify a GC.  You never mentioned it.  

For future reference...  I'm a remodeling contractor, I'm interested in working.  I would rearrange my life for reliable under the table money in the area to start building up a client base there or just for a couple of tapwork tuesdays.  I've been saying it for years.  No one has ever even asked for pictures.  Goddard told me not even to bother asking Joel, I'm not wanted and he's too busy to be bothered by me, so don't take it too personal.  That "you got what you deserved" was meant for everyone up there who is paying too much for shitty work w/o bothering to even shoot mean an email. 
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: libertylover on October 10, 2010, 02:37:58 AM
Ecolitan does make a good point.  You did not say that you needed people to refer you to a good contractor in the area.  And someone interested in building up a good reputation would have been happy to reply.  As for it being in Maine.  From what I hear, NH is so small that if the wind conditions are just right you can spit on Maine from any part of NH. 

I hope you get some restitution.  I just think it is going to be more hassle. 

I have been looking at MN myself.  More for the medical marijuana aspect.  And if home prices are better that is a winning situation as well.  I do think you did some great research on that end of things.  Were the property taxes being lower another reason for selecting MN over NH?
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 10, 2010, 03:16:00 AM
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So why are you bothering us with it now that it's too late?
Too late for what?

Those sinks are out there. I'm gunna put up reward posters, and go to a psychic. Just like in Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.

I'm wondering what to do if I don't want to go to the cops.

BonerJoe called it. This guy is getting a fansite. That is step one.

I had a home inspector do a construction inspection on the work the contractor did. I think I may have to publish that on the fansite.

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I didn't know you had enough work to justify a GC.  You never mentioned it.
I think I mentioned $15k. I thought I needed someone to oversee everything since I wasn't there, and the place hadn't been occupied for about three years. And it's a big place. Over 4000sf. And it's 85 years old. And it was cheap...55k. So yeah, it needs work.

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For future reference...  I'm a remodeling contractor, I'm interested in working.  I would rearrange my life for reliable under the table money in the area to start building up a client base there or just for a couple of tapwork tuesdays.  I've been saying it for years.  No one has ever even asked for pictures.
Well, this place needs a lot of work. Too bad I'm pretty much out of money. Fuck. There is a shit load of painting that needs to be done, that was supposed to be done before I moved my family into the place. I don't think you would want to be in this area. It's a small town with a lot of unemployment.


Check out the front door, it has a mail slotgun port.

(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4338/frontdoor.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 10, 2010, 03:33:43 AM
 
I hope you get some restitution.  I just think it is going to be more hassle.
I don't think I will get any restitution.

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I have been looking at MN myself.  More for the medical marijuana aspect.  And if home prices are better that is a winning situation as well.  I do think you did some great research on that end of things.  Were the property taxes being lower another reason for selecting MN over NH?
MM is a plus, but the dispensary laws are still a little wacky. The town I'm in doesn't have zoning, so that is a good thing. But there are no jobs. I'm trying to set up my current job so I can work remotely, and my manager is OK with that, but it's gunna take me a little while to iron things out.

Housing in southern Maine is still pretty expensive. There is an income and sales tax and those will more than make up for the lower property tax.

I'd rather be in NH, but I can't afford property there. My wife and I wanted to buy something without a mortgage, and since we have 7 million kids, we needed a big place. They made us insure the place for 400k, because they said that was the replacement cost. We joke around that if the place burns down we can move to NH.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on October 10, 2010, 09:49:07 AM
I have been looking at MN myself.  More for the medical marijuana aspect. 
MMJ was ridiculously close in NH last time. Even with an (R) takeover, even with an anti-MMJ Governor, I expect it will either be ridiculously close again, or will pass this time. This is a case of momentum where it's gonna happen, just a matter of next year or in 3 years.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on October 10, 2010, 09:51:02 AM
Check out the front door, it has a mail slotgun port.
Sweet.

We joke around that if the place burns down we can move to NH.
Got it. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. Shall we send one of the Keeniacs around? Tell 'em some goobermint peeps live in the house and it'd be an act of CD to raze it.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: BonerJoe on October 10, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
Shall we send one of the Keeniacs around? Tell 'em some goobermint peeps live in the house and it'd be an act of CD to raze it.

You are fucking sick in the head.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: sillyperson on October 10, 2010, 11:40:44 AM
Shall we send one of the Keeniacs around? Tell 'em some goobermint peeps live in the house and it'd be an act of CD to raze it.

You are fucking sick in the head.
I bet blackie could do way, way better.
Title: Re: Cheap houses and land
Post by: blackie on October 11, 2010, 04:54:45 PM
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