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SnuggleyJeff

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Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2012, 07:37:55 PM »

I think this is the most reasonable position. Absolute liability.

I agree.  Absolute liberty, which is what we all want, would require absolute liability.  People would be less susceptible to coercion if they knew that they could not pass the buck.  What we are trying to create, is not a perfect world, but a just one, in which individuals would be held accountable for thier actions.
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Re: Charles Manson: where's the victim?
« Reply #76 on: June 14, 2012, 03:00:07 AM »

Just rediscovered this thread.

I remember very vividly a class in my seminary where our Rebbe elucidated on a topic by going off on a tangent (which he normally did not do). He said that in Jewish law, there would be no such thing as RICO. Since everybody is responsible for himself, no one could say "I was just following orders." If a mob boss slams a gun down on his desk, and tells a goon to kill someone, its entirely the fault of the goon who did it, and he alone is liable for punishment. After all, "who is your real boss?" he said. The mob boss just talked. It was the other guy who did the murder.

I think this is the most reasonable position. Absolute liability. An anthropologist that I used to go to synagogue with said that KGB officers used to have a saying "we weren't bad people. We were just forced to do bad things."
I would take a Jewish Rebbe's argument on this subject a bit more seriously then most peoples.
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