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Can procreation be justified?
« on: February 24, 2012, 11:03:07 PM »

The progeny, giving no consent to its creation, must nonetheless carry the burdens that are the consequence of its life, alone. Those burdens are multitudinous and overwhelm any supposed merit that life presents.
From innumerable physical maladies to the inexhaustible variety of emotional trauma; from the constant demands of the mundane -showering, shopping, cooking, cleaning, brushing teeth, commuting- to the necessity of voiding human waste; people are beholden to the whims of fate and the time lines of obligation.
When two thirds of our experience is spent in sleep and labor, and the bulk of the remainder is occupied by minutia, very little of our lives can even be said to be our own.
It is only through contemptible recklessness, or vile selfishness that a person becomes impregnated.

I see a line of cars and they're all painted black
With flowers and my love, both never to come back
I see people turn their heads and quickly look away
Like a newborn baby it just happens ev'ryday -Mick Jagger and Keith Richards


  
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 01:05:48 AM »

Here's an idea: Go kill yourself.

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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 11:30:34 AM »

The progeny, giving no consent to its creation, must nonetheless carry the burdens that are the consequence of its life, alone. Those burdens are multitudinous and overwhelm any supposed merit that life presents.
From innumerable physical maladies to the inexhaustible variety of emotional trauma; from the constant demands of the mundane -showering, shopping, cooking, cleaning, brushing teeth, commuting- to the necessity of voiding human waste; people are beholden to the whims of fate and the time lines of obligation.
When two thirds of our experience is spent in sleep and labor, and the bulk of the remainder is occupied by minutia, very little of our lives can even be said to be our own.
It is only through contemptible recklessness, or vile selfishness that a person becomes impregnated.

I see a line of cars and they're all painted black
With flowers and my love, both never to come back
I see people turn their heads and quickly look away
Like a newborn baby it just happens ev'ryday -Mick Jagger and Keith Richards


  


You are 100% correct.  Your parents should be ashamed they procreated.
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2012, 01:39:50 PM »

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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2012, 02:30:15 PM »

that was him?  that fucker!
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 04:10:09 AM »

that was him?  that fucker!

Prolly not but it looked like the sort of idiocy he'd write.

Of course, he'd have called the thread The Definitive Procreation is a Moral Atrocity Thread! and would have probably suggested making aborted fetus Pâté because it is less cruel to geese. 
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2012, 11:48:47 AM »

that was him?  that fucker!

Prolly not but it looked like the sort of idiocy he'd write.

Of course, he'd have called the thread The Definitive Procreation is a Moral Atrocity Thread! and would have probably suggested making aborted fetus Pâté because it is less cruel to geese. 
I can assure you Im not your supposed nemesis from the past. Nor am I attempting to convert anyone to my position. In fact I hope no one is burdened by a similar dystopic outlook. I was just pressing to see how out of touch I am.
And Im not interested in condemning humanity as destroyers of the natural world. We are part of the natural world and I find a great deal more value in a human being than any other animal.
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 11:03:41 PM »

I don't get it, either.

I strongly prefer life over death. If I didn't, I'd end my life. And you would too.
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2012, 11:23:59 PM »

I don't get it, either.

I strongly prefer life over death. If I didn't, I'd end my life. And you would too.
Thats not true.  Every cell of your body demands you LIVE,LIVE,LIVE. With the exception of those with a genetic malformation, people will struggle to survive under the most adverse of circumstances. Your mental state is irrelevant -unless coupled with a faulty survival mechanism- to your "decision" to live or die.
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2012, 12:00:03 AM »

So you're saying the human survival mechanism demands you live............. unless it doesn't.

I'd agree, but thats like saying "It always rains.......except when it stops"
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 03:32:56 AM »

That doesn't remind me so much of Libman as it does of MobilDigit.

You all remember him, no?  The fourteen year old kid who pretended he was a VietNam Vet, at 17 went bonkers, burned his parents house to the ground, almost killed his whole family? 

Real cool guy.  I want him on my team.




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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 04:54:24 AM »

That doesn't remind me so much of Libman as it does of MobilDigit.

You all remember him, no?  The fourteen year old kid who pretended he was a VietNam Vet, at 17 went bonkers, burned his parents house to the ground, almost killed his whole family? 

Real cool guy.  I want him on my team.






Sounds like a winner!
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2012, 10:16:54 AM »

I've since met MD in person and he's a cool guy. Had (and prolly still has) issues, but is aware of it and is working through them. Pretty sure he got medicated.

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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2012, 01:13:27 PM »

I don't get it, either.

I strongly prefer life over death. If I didn't, I'd end my life. And you would too.
Thats not true. 

Yes, it is. Some people call it "demonstrated preferences" in economics. If you prefer death over life (a little simplified), you'd end your life. Its not complicated.
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Re: Can procreation be justified?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2012, 05:33:15 PM »

I don't get it, either.

I strongly prefer life over death. If I didn't, I'd end my life. And you would too.
Thats not true. 

Yes, it is. Some people call it "demonstrated preferences" in economics. If you prefer death over life (a little simplified), you'd end your life. Its not complicated.
It was never my argument that I preferred death over life; but that life presents no redeeming experience that justifies forcing anyone else into existence. 
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