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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #90 on: January 04, 2012, 05:20:40 PM »

If "businessmen" are all going to be bad, why wouldn't third parties be bad? They have the same incentives.

If you have a bad boss, quit.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #91 on: January 04, 2012, 09:47:05 PM »

If "businessmen" are all going to be bad, why wouldn't third parties be bad? They have the same incentives.

If you have a bad boss, quit.

You pick the third party arbiter at some point before the contract is signed. There will be agreement at some point then.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #92 on: January 04, 2012, 11:59:31 PM »

Someone on Facebook proposed this as a set of Occupy Green Bay demands:
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-Cancellation of all debts.
-Recognition of labor as the sole source of social value and the right of workers to redress their employers for expropriation of surplus-value/profit.
-Prohibition of lending money at interest.
-Establishment of standardized forms of accounting for all enterprises with fully published accounts.
-Dissolution of congressional or parliamentary power and the transfer of power to democratically run worker's soviets/councils. (End-result GA's in the workplace?)
-Total freedom of movement across boarders. Abolition of all laws on immigration.
-All credit focused into a democratically-run public bank.
-Absolute informational transparency of all governmental and economic organizations with all information available to the public. Abolition of state secrets. (Wikileaks universalized pretty much)
-Establishment of directly democratic decision making partially based upon demarchy and partially based on direct vote. (See Athenian democracy and Aristotle's definition of "demos")
-Direct vote on all taxes.
-All goods, services and wage slips to be stamped with their labor value. A transition from money notes to labor notes measuring the amount of labor-time contributed. Abolition of monetary circulation. (Money circulates, labor notes don't.)
-All economic enterprises to be put under democratic control and public ownership.
-Abolition of a standing army and a general arming of the population.
-Guaranteed right to food, education, a living wage, a home and medical care.
-Full reproductive rights to women.
-Full legal protection and recognition of homosexual marriage and peoples whose sex is genderqueer.

Oh my.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2012, 01:34:34 AM »

If you both agree about the amount owed, and would like to work out a way to protect the lenders money, without swamping the borrower, you could agree to do something like:

$7,500 payable 10% interest only for 1 year, w/the balance due at the end of the term.  That means a manageable payment of $62.50 a month, for 12 month, would protect the lenders money (or whatever interest rate they agree to, for whatever period of time).  This would allow the borrower to service the debt, and hopefully recover to pay it off in full.

If even in those circumstances, one, or both, of you aren't confident that the borrower would be able to honor this agreement, perhaps the borrower could pay with some other thing suitable to the lender.  If there is nothing suitable, the borrower could sell something to the lender, minus the money owed.

I've seen a situation where someone needed money, and there was potential lender who didn't have complete faith in the would be borrower's ability to repay.  So the one with the money purchased the house from the one who needed the money, for just the amount needed, and gave them back a lease/option (option was same as purchase price +10%) back as part of the deal.  In this circumstance, the one who needed the money actually was able to make the lease payments, protecting his option, and then sold the option to a buyer for the house.  If the borrower/tenant couldn't have performed, the lender/home owner was happy with it, because the real estate was more valuable to him than the money it cost him.  He was paid off, and made 10% on his money in less than two years, which was also a fine deal for him.

I mention this as it might be a model that works in this situation.. perhaps there is something BJ could give Coconut (of much greater value to Coconut than is owed) as payment for the debt... that Coconut would agree to sell back within the next year for whatever amount you can agree to (amount currently owed, plus whatever interest is suitable, I'd imagine).  At this point BJ would have satisfied his current debt, and have the option to purchase his property back.  In either event Coconut would be satisfied.  Coconut could either keep whatever it is, or sell it.

I know this type of thing isn't what you guys had in mind originally, but if you give it some thought, you'll come up with some way/s to solve it.

BTW, I don't really know how much is owed..  I don't really know that anyone was looking for my advice, either.  lol..  I sort of skimmed through the thread before writing this.  So, anyway, plug in whatever #s work if interested..  and if not.. just ignore this.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #94 on: January 05, 2012, 03:50:22 AM »

They have something called collateral, dude.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #95 on: January 05, 2012, 01:03:48 PM »

If "businessmen" are all going to be bad, why wouldn't third parties be bad? They have the same incentives.
I would probably join or start a coop of some sort with agreed on restrictions of credit practices and delivery deals and wouldn't use bait and switch or hard sales practices with a heavy handed standard on customer satisfaction, because that is the way I like to work. My vendors don't work that way it makes my stuff worse. Self righteousness is out. In a free society it would be no problem to start such a thing. I just don't like to deal with scum who would hurt or use people.
If you have a bad boss, quit.
Those girls that worked at that match factory couldn't quit because when they tried to say "I quit." their jawbone fell off. After that they could only make funny noises and be blowjob whores for zombie fetish clientele.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2012, 01:22:44 PM »

If you CANNOT quit, then the person who tells you what to do isn't a "boss." Choose another title, please.



And that list of demands from the occupier(s)was crazy. I think the second one down claimed that "all value comes from labor." Holy shit buddy, ponder that one for a little longer.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2012, 01:40:39 PM »

If you CANNOT quit, then the person who tells you what to do isn't a "boss." Choose another title, please.



And that list of demands from the occupier(s)was crazy. I think the second one down claimed that "all value comes from labor." Holy shit buddy, ponder that one for a little longer.

Not from the "occupiers" just one person who was attempting to "make a socialist list of demands". I tried debating them but they got too emotional and I had to stop. And I directly rebutted the point you made :(
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #98 on: February 06, 2012, 05:57:27 PM »

I am abundantly pleased to announce that Jay has fulfilled his outstanding debt with me - plus an additional interest payment that was not in the contract. I am extremely grateful this has reached a conclusion beneficial to all involved.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #99 on: February 06, 2012, 09:42:40 PM »

HOORAY!!!

Moving on...
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #100 on: February 06, 2012, 10:19:21 PM »

I say good show sir.
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #101 on: February 06, 2012, 11:10:35 PM »

I am abundantly pleased to announce that Jay has fulfilled his outstanding debt with me - plus an additional interest payment that was not in the contract. I am extremely grateful this has reached a conclusion beneficial to all involved.

Very happy this has occurred.

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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #102 on: February 06, 2012, 11:11:45 PM »

Now that you're all debt free n' shit, can I borrow a couple grand?
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #103 on: February 06, 2012, 11:23:06 PM »

Now that you're all debt free n' shit, can I borrow a couple grand?

How good are you at giving handjobs?
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Re: Boner Joe Owes Me Money
« Reply #104 on: February 06, 2012, 11:24:01 PM »

Now that you're all debt free n' shit, can I borrow a couple grand?

How good are you at giving handjobs?

Good enough to know better than to sell em for only a couple grand.
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