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Title: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 06, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
on shit you use alot of. Prices are going up at the grocery stores pretty soon. Just a good idea. Stuff like sugar, booze, etc etc.

You have been warned.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: sillyperson on November 07, 2010, 06:46:42 AM
BINGO


and... silver, buy some
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Riddler on November 07, 2010, 07:57:56 AM
hi-ohhhh
silver
and comet
and jupiter
and donner
and nixon
or was it blixon?
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: alaric89 on November 07, 2010, 08:02:44 AM
Since the only good news in the whole election cycle came from NH, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to get to know supply side agorist in that area. Ranchers who have off the books livestock, Farmers who trade, fishermen who trade right off the boat, pirate chemist, brewers, etc. With the free staters love of alternative barter currency a strong black market could thrive. NH won't have to succeed it'll just fall off.
With the psychotic statist in place in Arizona, I wouldn't want to be near that place if the shit hits the fan. Unless like Doug Stanhope you can bolt for the Mexican border in a moments notice.
As for me, I live in one of the few countries with a trade surplus and a (in a practical sense) hard asset backed currency. My problems will be empty shelves because we import everything. So probably good advice to me as well.
mmmm.... fish.
Unfortunately I think the current administration will have a magical recovery like after Clinton's first midterm loss. In my lifetime the economy thrived most during split party governments.
I am sick of fucking around myself. I had hoped for the Dems to sweep the midterm election.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Riddler on November 07, 2010, 11:24:13 AM
i bought soup & beans yesterday
oh
and wine
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 07, 2010, 12:10:17 PM
Seems to me I heard our Masters in Washington have banned incandescent light bulbs.

When does it go into effect? Can anyone confirm this?

If true, and this becomes widely known, there will likely be a run on them.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 07, 2010, 01:28:33 PM
Seems to me I heard our Masters in Washington have banned incandescent light bulbs.

When does it go into effect? Can anyone confirm this?

If true, and this becomes widely known, there will likely be a run on them.

Not a bad idea if you like those, but I actually like the flourescent bulbs better since they last longer and only use about 1/4 the energy to run. If you like em though, stock up.

I'm just thinking along the lines of stuff like sugar, booze, petrolium based products that are ready to go up 40, 50, even 60% in price here pretty soon. If you stock up and can have enough to live on for 6 months, its the same thing as making 60% on the stock market. An easy way to hedge against the inflation that is coming................. at least for a little while till we figure out what the long term holds.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 07, 2010, 02:16:49 PM
Seems to me I heard our Masters in Washington have banned incandescent light bulbs.

When does it go into effect? Can anyone confirm this?

If true, and this becomes widely known, there will likely be a run on them.

Not a bad idea if you like those, but I actually like the flourescent bulbs better since they last longer and only use about 1/4 the energy to run. If you like em though, stock up.

I'm just thinking along the lines of stuff like sugar, booze, petrolium based products that are ready to go up 40, 50, even 60% in price here pretty soon. If you stock up and can have enough to live on for 6 months, its the same thing as making 60% on the stock market. An easy way to hedge against the inflation that is coming................. at least for a little while till we figure out what the long term holds.

I use the fluorescents also, wherever possible. I've been "green" all my life, heh heh not in the political sense, but because I'm cheap. But I have a few fixtures that the fluos won't fit into.

Yup, commodities have been on the rise for some time now, and the increases will soon be at the consumer level.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 07, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
Since the only good news in the whole election cycle came from NH, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to get to know supply side agorist in that area. Ranchers who have off the books livestock, Farmers who trade, fishermen who trade right off the boat, pirate chemist, brewers, etc. With the free staters love of alternative barter currency a strong black market could thrive. NH won't have to succeed it'll just fall off.
With the psychotic statist in place in Arizona, I wouldn't want to be near that place if the shit hits the fan. Unless like Doug Stanhope you can bolt for the Mexican border in a moments notice.
As for me, I live in one of the few countries with a trade surplus and a (in a practical sense) hard asset backed currency. My problems will be empty shelves because we import everything. So probably good advice to me as well.
mmmm.... fish.
Unfortunately I think the current administration will have a magical recovery like after Clinton's first midterm loss. In my lifetime the economy thrived most during split party governments.
I am sick of fucking around myself. I had hoped for the Dems to sweep the midterm election.

Difference here being we dont have a dot com bubble to support the expansion of the money supply like we had when Clinton was in office, or a housing bubble to dump it into with Bush. Theres nothing left to dump the currency into except treasury bonds, which nobody wants, so the govt will be buying them. This is a very unique set of circumstances we're facing right now. The only place for the inflation to go this time is into consumer prices. If the government creates price controls, it will causes shortages on some items, just hard to say which items those will be at this point. Just wanted to talk to  you guys about it because I like you guys.

The statists can fuck off for all I care.............. let them eat govt cheese if it gets to that point.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: alaric89 on November 07, 2010, 04:09:00 PM
I hadn't thought of the bubble thing.
Good point.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: anarchir on November 07, 2010, 04:11:07 PM
Yeah but dont most people not notice a bubble until it bursts? Isnt that a big part of the idea

I'd stock up on rice and beans if I could but I'm fucking unexpectedly broke right now. :( Sucks bigtime.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 07, 2010, 04:24:24 PM
Yeah but dont most people not notice a bubble until it bursts? Isnt that a big part of the idea



Right, but my point is, this time round, there will be no bubble in anything unless some new thing similar to the internet suddenly appears out of nowhere for people to suddenly dump billions of dollars into, which means the 600 billion that was just created by the fed only has one place to go............... commodities. Food, fuel, medicine, things eveyone needs. Prices are going up. Should start seeing it here pretty soon.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: NightFlight on November 07, 2010, 06:26:32 PM
Why are prices going up? I mean, more so than usual?
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 07, 2010, 07:46:29 PM
Why are prices going up? I mean, more so than usual?

Commodities (raw materials) have been on the rise in relation to the dollar, which is falling in value. So it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of something, whether it's gold, crude oil, wheat, sugar, etc. Higher prices are just starting to trickle down to the consumer level.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: NightFlight on November 07, 2010, 08:21:20 PM
Why are prices going up? I mean, more so than usual?

Commodities (raw materials) have been on the rise in relation to the dollar, which is falling in value. So it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of something, whether it's gold, crude oil, wheat, sugar, etc. Higher prices are just starting to trickle down to the consumer level.

OK, so prices are going up more than the 2% to 5% per year. How much, percentage wise, will they increase? Damn Obama Care made my insurance go up from $22.78 per week to $70.47 a week for the same coverage.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 07, 2010, 08:38:53 PM
Why are prices going up? I mean, more so than usual?

Commodities (raw materials) have been on the rise in relation to the dollar, which is falling in value. So it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of something, whether it's gold, crude oil, wheat, sugar, etc. Higher prices are just starting to trickle down to the consumer level.

OK, so prices are going up more than the 2% to 5% per year. How much, percentage wise, will they increase? Damn Obama Care made my insurance go up from $22.78 per week to $70.47 a week for the same coverage.

Look at it this way. Oil is priced in US dollars. The dollar is getting weaker relative to many other major foreign currencies. With that comes higher oil prices, which means the cost of shipping food around goes up. It all hinges on how far the dollar falls. If the nations of the world suddenly lost all confidence in the US dollar and started selling them off, we'd REALLY be fucked real hard at that point. Only reason I dont see that happening is because they are shooting themselves in the foot also.

One scary scenario that could play out possibly, is if one country decided to get out of the US dollar altogether, that would cause all other countries to try and sell theirs first because nobody wants to be the last country holding a dollar that is rapidly going down in value. This is all worst case scenario, but I suppose it is possible at some point.

Right now, I expect commodity prices to go up between 40 - 60 percent, on average,  between now and next summer. I hope im wrong. Who knows, maybe they are just creating enough inflation to keep up with the natural deflation thats been going on, but the fact that the fed is already talking about QE3 should raise a red flag right there. Cant hurt to be prepared for it anyway.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Lothar on November 07, 2010, 08:52:35 PM
http://inflation.us/foodpriceprojections.html

November 5, 2010

NIA Projects Future U.S. Food Price Increases

The National Inflation Association today announced the release of its report about NIA's projections of future U.S. food price increases due to the massive monetary inflation being created by the Federal Reserve's $600 billion quantitative easing. This report was written by NIA's President Gerard Adams, who believes food inflation will take over in 2011 as America's greatest crisis. According to Mr. Adams, making mortgage payments will soon be the last thing on the minds of all Americans. We currently have a currency crisis that could soon turn into hyperinflation and a complete societal collapse.

"For every economic problem the U.S. government tries to solve, it always creates two or three much larger catastrophes in the process," said Adams. "Just like we predicted this past December, the U.S. dollar index bounced in early 2010 and has been in free-fall ever since. Bernanke's QE2 will likely accelerate this free-fall into a complete U.S. dollar rout," warned Adams.

NIA projects that at the average U.S. grocery store it will soon cost $11.43 for one ear of corn, $23.05 for a 24 oz loaf of wheat bread, $62.21 for a 32 oz package of Domino Granulated Sugar, $24.31 for a 32 fl oz container of soy milk, $77.71 for a 11.30 oz container of Folgers Classic Roast Coffee, $45.71 for a 64 fl oz container of Minute Maid Orange Juice, and $15.50 for a Hershey's Milk Chocolate 1.55 oz candy bar. NIA also projects that by the end of this decade, a plain white men's cotton t-shirt at Wal-Mart will cost $55.57.

NIA's special U.S. food price projection report is now available to download for free by clicking here.

The report highlights how despite cotton rising by 54%, corn rising by 29%, soybeans rising by 22%, orange juice rising by 17%, and sugar rising by 51% during the months of September and October alone, these huge commodity price increases have yet to make their way into America's grocery stores because corporations have been reluctant to pass these price increases along to the consumer. In today's dismal economy, no retailer wants to be the first to dramatically raise food prices. However, NIA expects all retailers to soon substantially raise food prices at the same time, which will ensure that this Holiday shopping season will be the worst in recorded American history.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Terror Australis on November 07, 2010, 09:13:41 PM
Bitcoins just reached .50 last night  meaning the bitcoin economy is worth approx. 1.3 million. http://bitcoinwatch.com/ (http://bitcoinwatch.com/)

I sold an amzon gift card a few weeks ago for a few thousand bitcoins for a $100 card now its about 300-400 for the same value and I still have the thousands of coins lol. Thanks helicopter Ben!!!! Go ahead and print all the dollars you can !!!

 People are fleeing the dollar imo. its almost a direct correlation as the dollar drops alternative currencies are booming. I love  money that the fed cant inflate. So it appears does a lot of other people. Digital gold ftw.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Riddler on November 07, 2010, 10:25:29 PM
i put my money in whores
just bought a bunch (13........baker's dozen)
of young oriental chickies
and a coupla trailer-park white girlz.
that's some smart investing right there.
trimming the hedge, if you will...
get it?
drifter will appreciate that'n, if the rest of you heathens won't
hedge funds
trim
fuck you, it was funny
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 07, 2010, 10:51:50 PM
i put my money in whores
just bought a bunch (13........baker's dozen)
of young oriental chickies
and a coupla trailer-park white girlz.
that's some smart investing right there.
trimming the hedge, if you will...
get it?
drifter will appreciate that'n, if the rest of you heathens won't
hedge funds
trim
fuck you, it was funny



Wouldnt that be hedging the trim?
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 07, 2010, 11:09:44 PM
Why are prices going up? I mean, more so than usual?

Commodities (raw materials) have been on the rise in relation to the dollar, which is falling in value. So it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of something, whether it's gold, crude oil, wheat, sugar, etc. Higher prices are just starting to trickle down to the consumer level.

OK, so prices are going up more than the 2% to 5% per year. How much, percentage wise, will they increase? Damn Obama Care made my insurance go up from $22.78 per week to $70.47 a week for the same coverage.

Look at it this way. Oil is priced in US dollars. The dollar is getting weaker relative to many other major foreign currencies. With that comes higher oil prices, which means the cost of shipping food around goes up. It all hinges on how far the dollar falls. If the nations of the world suddenly lost all confidence in the US dollar and started selling them off, we'd REALLY be fucked real hard at that point. Only reason I dont see that happening is because they are shooting themselves in the foot also.

One scary scenario that could play out possibly, is if one country decided to get out of the US dollar altogether, that would cause all other countries to try and sell theirs first because nobody wants to be the last country holding a dollar that is rapidly going down in value. This is all worst case scenario, but I suppose it is possible at some point.

Right now, I ecxpect commodity prices to go up between 40 - 60 percent, on average,  between now and next summer. I hope im wrong. Who knows, maybe they are just creating enough inflation to keep up with the natural deflation thats been going on, but the fact that the fed is already talking about QE3 should raise a red flag right there. Cant hurt to be prepared for it anyway.

I read somewhere a month ago that several Middle East/Asian oil exporters are planning to stop using the dollar for crude oil. They plan to phase it out over nine years, in favor of other currencies. This will be a huge deal when it happens.

IMO, the sun is setting on the bankrupt West, in its last, sorry stages of empire, and is rising on The East.

Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 07, 2010, 11:15:52 PM
Quote from: NightFlight
OK, so prices are going up more than the 2% to 5% per year. How much, percentage wise, will they increase?

It's impossible for anybody to predict.

Quote
Damn Obama Care made my insurance go up from $22.78 per week to $70.47 a week for the same coverage.

Don't use that as a measuring stick for ANYTHING. The health care market has been grossly distorted by government interference for decades. And then came Obamacare, with 100% interference once implemented.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Terror Australis on November 07, 2010, 11:47:08 PM
i put my money in whores
just bought a bunch (13........baker's dozen)
of young oriental chickies
and a coupla trailer-park white girlz.
that's some smart investing right there.
trimming the hedge, if you will...
get it?
drifter will appreciate that'n, if the rest of you heathens won't
hedge funds
trim
fuck you, it was funny

whores never go out of style....

Just be careful there is grass on the runway when youre preparing for takeoff ....
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 08, 2010, 11:25:43 AM
Ron Paul, this morning, on the latest round of monopoly money printing by the Fed:

[youtube]wDJLjLH0vag&feature=sub[/youtube]
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: John Shaw on November 08, 2010, 06:38:12 PM
National Inflation Association

This is a conspiracy site, just for the record. It also barely works. Every third click answers with a 503.

I can't find anything about this group outside of their website, and other sites that are asking "Who are these people?"

Related sites on Google? INFOWARS.

Top autocomplete on Google after "national inflation association"?

national inflation association SCAM.

Their mission statement is nebulous and very Alex Jones like. "Our goal is to help as many Americans as possible become aware of the disaster we are rapidly approaching. "

They have a page called "Charts", which is absolutely NOTHING but charts. [CITATION FUCKING NEEDED] No sources, no references.


Inflation will be happening and happening soon (Happening now even!), but conspiracy scare sites don't help, especially when they buckle under even the mildest scrutiny. This site is unsupported by facts.

:-(
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 08, 2010, 06:47:28 PM
National Inflation Association

This is a conspiracy site, just for the record. It also barely works. Every third click answers with a 503.

I can't find anything about this group outside of their website, and other sites that are asking "Who are these people?"

Related sites on Google? INFOWARS.

Top autocomplete on Google after "national inflation association"?

national inflation association SCAM.

Their mission statement is nebulous and very Alex Jones like. "Our goal is to help as many Americans as possible become aware of the disaster we are rapidly approaching. "

They have a page called "Charts", which is absolutely NOTHING but charts. [CITATION FUCKING NEEDED] No sources, no references.


Inflation will be happening and happening soon (Happening now even!), but conspiracy scare sites don't help, especially when they buckle under even the mildest scrutiny. This site is unsupported by facts.

:-(

LOL, I'm glad you said it. When I read the related post earlier, the numbers are just silly. There is no possible way for anybody to know what is going to happen. Unless maybe they've got a crystal ball in good working order. :D

These types take a grain of truth (hyperinflation IS possible) and expand it into "sure-fire" predictions. I deal with conspiracy true-believers on another site and it's like arguing with religious zealots over the existence of god.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: John Shaw on November 08, 2010, 06:52:40 PM
LOL, I'm glad you said it. When I read the related post earlier, the numbers are just silly. There is no possible way for anybody to know what is going to happen. Unless maybe they've got a crystal ball in good working order. :D

These types take a grain of truth (hyperinflation IS possible) and expand it into "sure-fire" predictions. I deal with conspiracy true-believers on another site and it's like arguing with religious zealots over the existence of god.

Annoys the hell out of me because something bad is actually on the horizon and jokers like this NIA bullshit come along and cloud the issue with their non-science.

Every damned thing they say could be true, but educated people will dismiss it because there's nothing backing up the claims, and people like me, who can't leave shit alone, are gonna punch holes through it all.

Bad info is bad.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: BonerJoe on November 08, 2010, 07:09:19 PM
I picked up an All-American pressure canner for $20 at the flea market yesterday. Oh yeah.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: John Shaw on November 08, 2010, 07:12:34 PM
I picked up an All-American pressure canner for $20 at the flea market yesterday. Oh yeah.

Sweet! A couple months ago we found a giant sealer/canner thingy at the St. Vincent for $25. Was unopened. A few months before we almost bought the same one for almost $300.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 08, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
Yeah, no doubt there will be many a "END OF THE WORLD IS HERE" fucks out there, thats for sure. The world isnt ending, its not gonna be Mad Max, or even Beyond Thunderdome for that matter.

Just makes sense that shit is gonna get pretty expensive pretty soon. Might as well prepare the best you can. If nothing happens, AWESOME!!! If bad shit happens, its always good to be prepared. I never really thought this way in my life before, until we had an ice storm that knocked the power to the whole town out for 2 days a couple of years ago.................. just TWO F-IN DAYS, and the whole town goes apeshit, buying everything off the shelves that they can get their hands on. So here I was just wanting to buy a loaf of bread and a few other things, but NOPE, all the paranoid last-minute fucks took everything like it was the end of the world as we know it............. just because of a little ice on the trees. That taught me a lesson right there for sure.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: BonerJoe on November 08, 2010, 07:45:56 PM
Let's talk about the webbot:

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/nunums.html

Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Riddler on November 08, 2010, 08:04:18 PM
wat
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Turd Ferguson on November 08, 2010, 08:06:11 PM
Let's talk about the webbot:

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/nunums.html




I dont know man, that stuff reminds me of Gene Ray's Time Cube  :shock:
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 08, 2010, 09:28:19 PM
LOL, I'm glad you said it. When I read the related post earlier, the numbers are just silly. There is no possible way for anybody to know what is going to happen. Unless maybe they've got a crystal ball in good working order. :D

These types take a grain of truth (hyperinflation IS possible) and expand it into "sure-fire" predictions. I deal with conspiracy true-believers on another site and it's like arguing with religious zealots over the existence of god.

Annoys the hell out of me because something bad is actually on the horizon and jokers like this NIA bullshit come along and cloud the issue with their non-science.

Every damned thing they say could be true, but educated people will dismiss it because there's nothing backing up the claims, and people like me, who can't leave shit alone, are gonna punch holes through it all.

Bad info is bad.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: Branlin on November 08, 2010, 09:39:07 PM
Peter Schiff on the debt and inflation:

[youtube]ZlWBdxTkW5o&feature=sub[/youtube]
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: anarchir on November 08, 2010, 11:14:56 PM
Let's talk about the webbot:

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/nunums.html



wow
Title: Re: Better start stocking up...............
Post by: anarchir on November 09, 2010, 12:55:53 AM
I'm going to be getting items slowly over time for my shtf pile and heres the list in order of what I would get first if I thought that things were going downhill and why so far. I dont have a lot of money so I'll be buying cheap things a bit at a time. I'm not saying that a SHTF situation is likely, at least not a zombie apocalypse kind, but having these things would enable me to continue to function in any environment (plus the stuff I already have) and perhaps keep myself employed in my current trade:

Water purification tablets. - Can never have too many.
Vitamins or LifeCaps.
Bags of rice.
Bags of beans.
Flour.
Lighters. -matches are overrated
OTC meds.
Tinfoil. -you can cook anything in tinfoil
Bullion Cubes. -to turn anything into a soup
Bar soap.
Socks. -they'll run through fast and if you dont have your feet 100% life would get very hard very fast
Knife/Sharpener.
Seeds.
Cheap vodka. -water it down and trade it off later.
Water Containers.
Garbage Bags.
Rubbing alcohol.
Whatever tools I might feel I need that I dont already have.