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Alex Libman 15

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Re: Best Socialist Forums To Troll
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2009, 08:56:16 AM »

No, I think that part of agreeing to live within a society is to agree to live within that society's norms and values.

And throwing millions of non-violent people into prison if they don't agree, not to mention all the blood that has been spilled by your government to put down numerous tax resistance movements, secession attempts, and other serious forms of dissent.


Do you know the difference between Communism and Libertarianism?
Communism was tried and failed, libertarianism is too stupid to be worth trying.

Communism is irrational, completely detached from economic reality, and has never been able to exist on any significant scale without massive amounts of tyranny.

Libertarianism (i.e. free market capitalism) has shown itself to be a competitive advantage 100% of the time.  Places like pre-socialist America or Hong Kong represent the benefits of small government, greater personal freedom, and greater recognition of natural rights.

If you believe greater forms of libertarianism are "too stupid to be worth trying", then why don't you call back your jackbooted thugs and just let us fail?


That is why there are still some communist states in the world, but the closest you will come to a "Libertarian" state is Somalia.  Hey, if it's such a good idea, how come you lot don't move to Somalia and set up Libertopia?

That propaganda talking point does NOT become any more true or any less stupid the more often you repeat it.  Somalia is a failed communist / theocratic state.  It has a big oppressive government, one of the worst in the world - it just happened to be fragmented and fighting with itself.  Saying that Somalia has no government is kind of like saying Europe had no governments during the world wars!
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blackie

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« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2009, 09:07:53 AM »


So you think it is a good idea to force people to pay for things they don't agree with?

Oh god, simplistic answers are so much fun.,.

No, I think that part of agreeing to live within a society is to agree to live within that society's norms and values.
Oh, so the Jews living in and around Germany during the 1930's and 40's agreed to being put into concentration camps and ghettos. If they didn't like it they should have left, right?
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Alex Libman 15

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« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2009, 10:02:59 AM »

And they couldn't leave - many governments prevented their entry, including the American government.
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« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2009, 05:23:25 PM »


Oh, so the Jews living in and around Germany during the 1930's and 40's agreed to being put into concentration camps and ghettos. If they didn't like it they should have left, right?
And who from Libertopia would have ended that evil?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

You guys are funny...
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blackie

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« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2009, 05:32:02 PM »


Oh, so the Jews living in and around Germany during the 1930's and 40's agreed to being put into concentration camps and ghettos. If they didn't like it they should have left, right?
And who from Libertopia would have ended that evil?
That would be for each individual to decide. Maybe volunteers, or maybe no one. Not my problem.  But it wouldn't be a conscript army.

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You guys are funny...
It's better to be funny, than to be evil, like you.
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« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2009, 05:34:32 PM »


Oh, so the Jews living in and around Germany during the 1930's and 40's agreed to being put into concentration camps and ghettos. If they didn't like it they should have left, right?
And who from Libertopia would have ended that evil?
That would be for each individual to decide. Maybe volunteers, or maybe no one. Not my problem.  But it wouldn't be a conscript army.

ROTFLMCO!!! Yeah right, and you wonder why no one takes you lot seriously?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2009, 05:35:38 PM »


Oh, so the Jews living in and around Germany during the 1930's and 40's agreed to being put into concentration camps and ghettos. If they didn't like it they should have left, right?
And who from Libertopia would have ended that evil?
That would be for each individual to decide. Maybe volunteers, or maybe no one. Not my problem.  But it wouldn't be a conscript army.
ROTFLMCO!!! Yeah right, and you wonder why no one takes you lot seriously?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So what would your solution be?
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stroppygob

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« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2009, 05:48:36 PM »

Oh, we could just let the brave soldiers of real nations, like the Brits and the USSR sort it out, while the cowardly Libertopians only enter the war during the final phase so they can make movies about it..

"Hey, the evil Nazi's are killing Jews by the thousand, anyone volunteering to go fight them?"

Sure, but only in a  non organised way, with no hierarchy of command, and if there's a hint of socialism about the way it's organised I'm not going."

"Who's going to organise the construction of warships?"

"Not going...."
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« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2009, 05:52:38 PM »

Oh, we could just let the brave soldiers of real nations, like the Brits and the USSR sort it out, while the cowardly Libertopians only enter the war during the final phase so they can make movies about it..

"Hey, the evil Nazi's are killing Jews by the thousand, anyone volunteering to go fight them?"

Sure, but only in a  non organised way, with no hierarchy of command, and if there's a hint of socialism about the way it's organised I'm not going."

"Who's going to organise the construction of warships?"

"Not going...."

Why should I care about the Jews?
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stroppygob

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« Reply #84 on: September 09, 2009, 06:13:42 PM »


Why should I care about the Jews?

Damn right, no one cares about you, why should you care about anyone?
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blackie

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« Reply #85 on: September 09, 2009, 06:21:00 PM »


Why should I care about the Jews?

Damn right, no one cares about you, why should you care about anyone?
Nigger please.
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Alex Libman 15

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« Reply #86 on: September 09, 2009, 06:21:19 PM »

And who from Libertopia would have ended that evil?

Of course it would.  Read Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War by Pat Buchanan.  It takes two governments to have a war, and Germany would have avoided WW1 if it could.  No WW1, no WW2, no Holocaust.  Besides, without the wide-spread "divine right of governments" delusion, Hitler would be just another delusional thug.
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« Reply #87 on: September 09, 2009, 10:42:03 PM »

More than that, probably, no American involvement in WW1 no WW2. At least not in the same form, maybe the red hordes would have rolled out at some point.

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« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2009, 04:32:26 AM »

Anyways, back on topic...

I've been spending lots of time on DebatePolitics.com lately, which is a pretty good forum where mods are fair (especially compared to the likes of JREF).  One of the people there just started an "Anarcho-Capitalists: I'm Calling You Out" thread.  It could get interesting, but I don't think I'll have the time to keep up with it alone...  Can anyone here help me out?  ;)
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« Reply #89 on: September 21, 2009, 03:12:20 PM »

I scanned a bit of it.  They seem to be ignoring your finer points. 

I'd mention that every way that they say your policing wouldnt work, wouldnt work in their system either or at least would be far worse in theirs.

Markets don't need "structure" from the government to work (I think they are referring to regulations), just look at the internet.

Also, as to that guys anecdote: Anarchists can have leaders. In fact, even the ones that disagree with that statement have leaders.
"A strong people need no leaders"-Zapata

What they cannot have is a governing body. Leaders are impossible to avoid, however following someone because you respect/trust them is entirely voluntary.
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