Bernard von NotHaus is Jailed

[Alex Libman]

I got the following e-mail late Sunday night / Monday morning.  The text seems to have lost all resemblance of formatting and whitespace in transit, so I had to edit it myself to improvise some paragraph breaks, section breaks, links, etc.

From:  "Liberty Dollar" <truth@libertydollar.org>
Subject:  Bernard is Jailed - Part I

First, please note the format changes to this email reply to your inquiry about the me and your property that was confiscated during the ongoing legal battles regarding the Liberty Dollar.  It would appear that the once great First Amendment and the concept of innocent until proven guilty do not apply to anyone who is out on an Appearance Bond.

Second, I apologize for this relayed email regarding June development and that now I can't write my usual monthly "Newsletter".  While I have been late a few times with the chronicle of the Liberty Dollar since October 1998, I have never missed a month.  I trust being in jail, defending the Liberty Dollar is a good reason.

Third, I hereby confirm the rumors that I was jailed, but not re-arrested.  I was incarcerated when I appeared to answer charges that I violated the terms of my Appearance Bond before Magistrate Judge Cayer, Federal District Count in Charlotte, North Carolina on Wednesday, July 14.  There is much to disclose about that hearing and my next five plus days and five nights in Mecklenburg County and Catawba County Jails but I don't have the time right now. But stay tune. I promise to tell all in my next email for July.

Contained in this email are links for two excellent video newscasts Part I and Part II that aired while I was in jail that features Dave Gillie and Jeff Kotchounian using a value based currency.  Most importantly is the quote from the US Treasury website that merchants can use anything they want for money.  And equally noteworthy is one of Kevin's letters that was recently posted on the mailfromjail.com [dead link, maybe mail-to-jail.com?] site and forwarded to me. PLEASE read this letter and marvel at the exulted space that Kevin occupies while standing firm for the Liberty Dollar after 14 MONTHS behind bars.  Like Kevin, we have an extremely strong, winnable case and the government is going to lose dearly for this shortsighted misadventure.


Item #1:  Two Exciting Newscasts Regarding Money

These two video newscasts speak for themselves.  I neither indorse nor support these two brave American patriot's efforts. I fact, I was surprised when the URLs were sent to me.  But I was not surprised by the US Treasury site that proves 'a private business, a person or an organization…are free to develop their own policies...' for money.  In part the government site says: "There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept [US] currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise." The complete quote for the very first question on the US Treasury's FAQ site is found here: http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml Now watch these two newscasts and decide who is going to win this case:

• Part I:  http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/news/story.aspx?id=481793
• Part II:  http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/news/story.aspx?id=482130.

Item #2:  Kevin the Beautiful

I know you are busy and you may not even know Kevin but I hope you will take a moment to ravel in Kevin's amazing jailhouse consciousness and hopefully send him a note of support and/or a few dollars, as he can't eat the slop that passed as food in jail. And I know that all too well!

From Kevin to a supporter - July 2010: I continue to consider my time here as an opportunity for some intense independent training so that I can be more effective at helping society when I get out, helps me redirect my thoughts. From all of the wonderful experiences I am missing out on by being here, back to the hear-and-now and my self-imposed tasks. "The Now" is truly all that I can experience "in Technicolor" - all else is just a hazy "black and white" dream. By being true to what I know to be right and honest I can more easily infuse the present with the enthusiasm and with the awareness that Gold is right here with me. Bliss, God and the Now are One.

Standing firm in my convictions and my truth is fundamental to my evolving success, not only spiritually, but also in a worldly sense. In contrast, there is nowhere I can go for relief if I am in conflict with myself. Yes, this has already taken a very long time and I might only be part-way through it but thinking in terms of time only increases the suffering. When we are One with the timeless inner Self there is really nothing to fear. The more we can connect our light with that wonderful Light that is also in others, especially among those who remind us of this, like you and I, the more we can warm to each other's glowing. It is great to hear you are drawing loving people to you. How can they resist?

Please write to Kevin:

    William K. Innes
    2351 Morganton Blvd. SW
    Lenoir, NC 28645

Please send Money to Kevin:

    C/O Julia Gaunt
    16 Norman Austin Dr.
    Asheville, NC 28804


Item #3:  Liberty Dollar site is now closed due to court action.

And last but not least, the Liberty Dollar site is now down.  Hope you got a copy before all that great info was taken down or know how to find it.  I will explain this regretful development in my email to you for July.


Closing Remarks:

That's it short and sweet.  I promise to disclose all regarding my jail experiences and the latest on the Liberty Dollar Four in my next email for July.  There are amazing develops with Liberty Dollar Four case, so please stay tune for all the details and an exciting trial!

I remain convinced and dedicated to the ideals of the Liberty Dollar and that the only way for us to have a free society is by banding together and adopting a free and independent currency that provides us with "just weights and measures" to throw off the yoke of a manipulated monetary / tax system.

Thank you for your inquiry and efforts to return America to value - one dollar at a time!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect/Editor
Editor@LibertyDollar.org

LibertyDollar.org currently reads "Site Removed Due to Court Order".  Bernard's other Web-site, FreeCannabisChurch.org, bears the same message.


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[YixilTesiphon]

I mean, I always thought LDs were a crap deal on gold, but arresting the guy seems completely out of line.

[Alex Libman]

I'm surprised this story is nowhere else on the Internet except in my e-mail Spam folder and the few places I've pasted it from there...

And the e-mail was very strange, with all line / paragraph breaks removed, like it was sent through a text filter of some sort...  And the text itself seems like it was written under significant distress...

[Alex Libman]

A few other sites pasted the above e-mail, but this has not received any major coverage anywhere...

Only 2 diggs (with a negative comment) and -1 FTL in ShowPrep rankings.  What's going on???

[Cognitive Dissident]

Fuck him.  He took Ron Paul's name in vain.

[TimeLady Victorious]

I seem to remember this being the same man who claimed to have founded the "Church of Marijuana."

Maybe it's something related to THAT...

Also LOL at anyone who ever bought a Liberty Dollar. Just use gold or silver rounds for bartering instead.

[Alex Libman]

I don't get it.  Why is everyone so down on von NotHaus?!??

[Cognitive Dissident]

I don't get it.  Why is everyone so down on von NotHaus?!??

I told you already, he talked shit about Ron Paul.

[Alex Libman]

So did a lot of other people (ex).  I call him a Judas Goat all the time (supporter's remorse).  Do you have a URL / source of what von NotHaus said exactly?

[Turd Ferguson]

I don't get it.  Why is everyone so down on von NotHaus?!??

Maybe it was because he charged 50% over spot, maybe more in some cases like the Ron Paul coppers, not like anyone was forced to buy it, just seemed like an opportunist to me. Nothing really against the guy but hes no hero for freedom by any means. Kinda like the Lakota silver, $8 over spot for an ounce of silver???? I mean wtf?

Im personally not "down" on NotHaus for anything at all. Sucks what happened to him for sure, but anyone who buys silver or gold from these clowns for anything other than novelty reasons is gonna lose value on their purchase when gold and silver really skyrocket. At that point, the economic conditions that created the boom in prices will negate most peoples desire for novelty or numismatics. The per oz value will override any desire for someone to have something with ron pauls head on the face of it. Wont really matter anymore.

[Alex Libman]

Maybe it was because he charged 50% over spot, maybe more in some cases like the Ron Paul coppers, not like anyone was forced to buy it, just seemed like an opportunist to me. Nothing really against the guy but hes no hero for freedom by any means. Kinda like the Lakota silver, $8 over spot for an ounce of silver???? I mean wtf?

C'mon, you're thinking like a commie.  Profits made in the free market are a good thing - they show what needs to be done and encourage other people to do the same thing.  And does your estimation of "spot value" include the legal woes and time spent in jail?!  As an asteroid mining geek I'm down on gold in general, but what Liberty Dollar was doing was entirely heroic!  People deserve to be rewarded for hitting the barbed wire first!

Buyers who supposedly "overpaid" for those coins made an investment into something that's worth a lot more than the metal it is made out of - the rare early minting of world's first post-socialist currency!  Collectors might be paying millions (in today's currency value) for those coins someday!

[Turd Ferguson]

Like I said, nothing against the guy for making a profit. Just you'd have to be an idiot to buy silver or gold from him at the prices he charges, and he knows that. In my eyes, that makes him kindof a dick by default.

In no way am I a commie. I couldnt give less of a fuck if you wanna over pay for anything you choose and I certainly would not use the force of the state to prevent it, or to control what someone charges for a product or service.

Its like this guy who went down to Wal Mart hours after the worst ice storm weve ever seen in Decatur. Most peoples power was out for at least 5 days in sub zero temps, so people went down to get a generator to keep warm with electric heat, or a chain saw to cut the limbs off their power lines (which were turned off for this exact purpose). Anyway, they get there to find some dick bought all the gas generators and chain saws available, turned around and sold them for 3 times the price out of the back of a moving van just down the street from the store he bought them at, a price that I imagine alot of people couldnt afford, so they were screwed. Should he be banned from "scalping"? I dont think he should. Do what you want in a free society, but it sure makes him an opportuinist dickhead in my book.

[Cognitive Dissident]

So did a lot of other people (ex).  I call him a Judas Goat all the time (supporter's remorse).  Do you have a URL / source of what von NotHaus said exactly?

I don't remember, it was posted on here somewhere, sometime after he was originally deprived of his precious metals (and other people's) by Treasury crooks (I think.)  It was a newsletter he sent out to some list, and it had something along the lines of Ron Paul being a turncoat, traitor (figuratively), or something like that.  Ron Paul's name in a list of folks, which I think also included Lew Rockwell.  He sounded like a raving lunatic, an made me glad I'd invested nothing through him.

Ah...here you go...notice it was nothing but an aspersion with nothing to back up the outrageous claims--quite a turnaround from putting him on the coins themselves.  Mark Skousen's name also showed up on the list.

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=24289.msg443721#msg443721

Oh, and for what it's worth, it's not just that he talked shit about Ron Paul, it's the way he did it.  I don't think anything less of Dale because of his cartoon...I actually see Dale's POV, I think, and I've moved beyond voting for politicians myself.  Still, I respect Ron Paul.

[Alex Libman]

A lot of people sound like raving lunatics when the iron fist of state rams up their ass.  Maybe you and I would too.  That's mostly excusable in my opinion.  He deserves a lot more support than he's currently getting, which in FSP / FTL circles seems to be zilch.

[yamnuska]

I don't get it.  Why is everyone so down on von NotHaus?!??

Maybe it was because he charged 50% over spot, maybe more in some cases like the Ron Paul coppers, not like anyone was forced to buy it, just seemed like an opportunist to me. Nothing really against the guy but hes no hero for freedom by any means. Kinda like the Lakota silver, $8 over spot for an ounce of silver???? I mean wtf?

I agree, it seems that people turn into fucking retards when a liberty person is selling stuff, mostly it's shit stuff to. It's not the free market either, in the free market Nutsac would have had to compete against a shit load of other people and wouldn't have been able to play the "I'm all for liberty," card as an excuse to bleed people. It sucks that he is in jail but I never bought any of his shit, overpriced shit. It seems to be a disease of dumbassedness libertarians have, they get all nutso and stroke themselves when another libertarian offers something and will pay whatever they ask just to "support," said libertarian, yet most of those same people would berate others for paying more than they would for products bought from non-libertarians, like Marks Lumethin, yea, not gonna be buying anytime soon, even if I did need it. There is some good stuff, like Keene lastbiscuit, like that is totally great, but watch, if she started charging $10 for two eggs I can promise you that some dumb fuck libertarian is gonna buy it and say, "yea, liberty, supporting liberty I am." There's supporting liberty and then there's being a dumbass.