Apparently, I best be watchin' mah step, boss.

[hellbilly]

I don't mean to hijack the thread or anything, but WTFK's liks to my posts was pretty cool. I decided to go through and copy and paste em and found this gem in the bunch:

Now... how the fuck can anyone possibly stretch this into a racist post?

Apparently all I could ever say to defend myself form this shit was said a long time ago - whenever the post below was written. If that didn't clear it away nothing I'll ever say can.

Haters gonna hate.

Nah..I think you may have misread whatever I wrote.. I've only been to stormfront a half dozen times or so, most of those just as a result of clicking a link. What I took from the first visit was all I needed- that it basically comes down to the members there having an in-house "I Am Whiter Than You, I Am More Racially Pure Than You." contest. That and "Onward Christian-Anglo Soldiers.", "Hitler Was Awesome." etc. I'll pass on that stuff.

The point was that because no one talks freely about the extremely valid topic of violent black folk, the only places you'll find it being freely discussed is on sites like stormfront. That suits most people just fine, as they prefer to avoid those pesky details in favor of preserving their fantasy that they reside in a Rainbow Colored Happyland. So, moderately concerned people may 1) get sucked in to the whole White Supremacy movement, or 2)they may be made to feel so ashamed due to peer pressure that they go all ballzout and deny that the problem exists. Either outcome does nothing to solve the problem.

Be frank about all this shit, find a way to get it sorted. Or, hide the pesky details and keep pretending that there's nothing to be concerned about.. (meanwhile innocent people will continue to be blown to bits, and crime from ghetto shitheads will continue to take the lives of people both in and outside the ghettos.. but at least we were polite enough not to discuss those things!).

[Cognitive Dissident]

Haters gonna hate.

Yes you will.

Nah..I think you may have misread whatever I wrote.. I've only been to stormfront a half dozen times or so, most of those just as a result of clicking a link. What I took from the first visit was all I needed- that it basically comes down to the members there having an in-house "I Am Whiter Than You, I Am More Racially Pure Than You." contest. That and "Onward Christian-Anglo Soldiers.", "Hitler Was Awesome." etc. I'll pass on that stuff.

The point was that because no one talks freely about the extremely valid topic of violent black folk, the only places you'll find it being freely discussed is on sites like stormfront. That suits most people just fine, as they prefer to avoid those pesky details in favor of preserving their fantasy that they reside in a Rainbow Colored Happyland. So, moderately concerned people may 1) get sucked in to the whole White Supremacy movement, or 2)they may be made to feel so ashamed due to peer pressure that they go all ballzout and deny that the problem exists. Either outcome does nothing to solve the problem.

Be frank about all this shit, find a way to get it sorted. Or, hide the pesky details and keep pretending that there's nothing to be concerned about.. (meanwhile innocent people will continue to be blown to bits, and crime from ghetto shitheads will continue to take the lives of people both in and outside the ghettos.. but at least we were polite enough not to discuss those things!).

A very longwinded way of saying "Black criminals are going to destroy civilization if we don't do something about it, and only us racists give a shit."

...and I'll remind everyone he chose the link...out of several...

[hellbilly]

Rationalize all you want--it's all out there--you sometimes choose your words carefully, as in the one sample you chose, and others not.  Your long history makes it obvious what you are.

By the way, this was the whole quote:

From my near daily drives through the ghetto you're analysis of fat white girls who like to gobble down black dicks is precise. I have seen some thin white girls with black dudes too, but they have the appearance of being on a Meth diet. It's totally a win win situation as the black guy gets a social promotion and the white girl gets to pretend that she's truly cherished by a man.

The only women I know personally who have fucked black guys all seem a little screwed up. But I'll admit it - I'm a separatist. I do not mix with upper class people. So I don't personally know any white women who are attractive, wealthy, well balanced and somehow have just met the perfect black guy to settle down with.

Gee...looks like you left the interesting parts out.

Ken.. have you been to the ghetto lately? Ever?

This is an apt description of life for many dysfunctional and black/white couples whom reside in the ghetto.

It's true that I do not know any well adjusted black/white couples. Interracial couples, yes. A dozen or more. Black/white - none.

How many well adjusted black/white couples do you know of? Personally, not celebrity, etc.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Rationalize all you want--it's all out there--you sometimes choose your words carefully, as in the one sample you chose, and others not.  Your long history makes it obvious what you are.

By the way, this was the whole quote:

From my near daily drives through the ghetto you're analysis of fat white girls who like to gobble down black dicks is precise. I have seen some thin white girls with black dudes too, but they have the appearance of being on a Meth diet. It's totally a win win situation as the black guy gets a social promotion and the white girl gets to pretend that she's truly cherished by a man.

The only women I know personally who have fucked black guys all seem a little screwed up. But I'll admit it - I'm a separatist. I do not mix with upper class people. So I don't personally know any white women who are attractive, wealthy, well balanced and somehow have just met the perfect black guy to settle down with.

Gee...looks like you left the interesting parts out.

Ken.. have you been to the ghetto lately? Ever?

This is an apt description of life for many dysfunctional and black/white couples whom reside in the ghetto.

It's true that I do not know any well adjusted black/white couples. Interracial couples, yes. A dozen or more. Black/white - none.

How many well adjusted black/white couples do you know of? Personally, not celebrity, etc.

You're bringing race into it...why?  Ever been to a nice neighborhood with "people of color" in it?  Ever been to a bad neighborhood with just white people?  They exist.

FWIW, I've been part of an "interracial couple."  I am now.  I don't live in a ghetto.  My neighbors used to be black.  They didn't burn their house down or anyone else's.  They didn't steal shit from me, either.

The bigot doesn't know it's a bigot.

[hellbilly]

I know that this is your big moment to fit in Ken. Best of luck to you.

There's just that pesky detail of "proof" to clear away and then you'll receive a nice warm embrace, I'm sure.

And, if I may, I will remind everyone that these links were searched out by W2FitIn Ken. All of the links he presented should be scrutinized for any shred of racism.

You will find a whole lot of racial insensitivity. You will find a lot of elitism.

You will not find racism. You will not find apologies.

Haters gonna hate.

Yes you will.

Nah..I think you may have misread whatever I wrote.. I've only been to stormfront a half dozen times or so, most of those just as a result of clicking a link. What I took from the first visit was all I needed- that it basically comes down to the members there having an in-house "I Am Whiter Than You, I Am More Racially Pure Than You." contest. That and "Onward Christian-Anglo Soldiers.", "Hitler Was Awesome." etc. I'll pass on that stuff.

The point was that because no one talks freely about the extremely valid topic of violent black folk, the only places you'll find it being freely discussed is on sites like stormfront. That suits most people just fine, as they prefer to avoid those pesky details in favor of preserving their fantasy that they reside in a Rainbow Colored Happyland. So, moderately concerned people may 1) get sucked in to the whole White Supremacy movement, or 2)they may be made to feel so ashamed due to peer pressure that they go all ballzout and deny that the problem exists. Either outcome does nothing to solve the problem.

Be frank about all this shit, find a way to get it sorted. Or, hide the pesky details and keep pretending that there's nothing to be concerned about.. (meanwhile innocent people will continue to be blown to bits, and crime from ghetto shitheads will continue to take the lives of people both in and outside the ghettos.. but at least we were polite enough not to discuss those things!).

A very longwinded way of saying "Black criminals are going to destroy civilization if we don't do something about it, and only us racists give a shit."

...and I'll remind everyone he chose the link...out of several...

[Cognitive Dissident]

It's out there...only a fraction of your bigotry.  Everyone can see it.  By the way, it doesn't have anything to do with "fitting in."  It has to do with you pretending you're not a bigot.

[hellbilly]

You're bringing race into it...why?  Ever been to a nice neighborhood with "people of color" in it?  Ever been to a bad neighborhood with just white people?  They exist.

FWIW, I've been part of an "interracial couple."  I am now.  I don't live in a ghetto.  My neighbors used to be black.  They didn't burn their house down or anyone else's.  They didn't steal shit from me, either.

The bigot doesn't know it's a bigot.

Yes I know your wife is Asian. I know because you were teased about it here on the BBS. I wasn't one of those who teased you.

Yes. I have black neighbors. We work together to keep the ghetto from creeping our way. They help with the neighborhood watch. Their kids ride my kid's scooter sometimes. Imagine that.

You are branching away from the topic now and I don't have the time for it. That is why I am trying to form sentences in a robot-like way. To keep everything clear and simple for you.

I can not keep up with this frequency in posting. But i just noticed another post from you.

In it, you say "It's out there...only a fraction of your bigotry." I encourage you to find it and bring it to light. I thought that was your intent in harvesting all those links. I was wrong, apparently.

I will respond to you when you have clear words from me that prove I am a racist. Not an elitist, not a culturalist, not racially insensitive. Those three qualities are easily proven and I openly admit I am all three. No apologies for it.

You bring the evidence, we talk. Actually, one better... you bring the evidence, I leave the BBS. Which is only an enticement really as I don't even know why I'm posting here right now.

[hellbilly]

A long time ago I created a thread here to give people a dedicated place to prove I'm a racist. Apparently that was so long ago it's been purged from the database.

But another thread came up that I thought was worth mentioning. The first page is most relevant but the other pages aren't bad.

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/rubber-room-for-trolls-not-safe-for-work/an-open-letter-to-sincere/

Click it and read more nasty racist stuff from me.

[Cognitive Dissident]

*yawn*

[hellbilly]

*yawn*

That's not a troll post. No way.

You bring the evidence, we talk. Actually, one better... you bring the evidence, I leave the BBS. Which is only an enticement really as I don't even know why I'm posting here right now.

[BonerJoe]

WWYD?

[Tom Foppiano]

FWIW, I'd consider "pro-racism" advocacy trolling, because it's a form of collectivism and inconsistent with liberty.

Racism itself is not inconsistent with liberty. You can hate white people, never talk to them, never hire them, never contract with them, and write books about how evil they are, and at the same time completely adhere to the NAP.

[Cognitive Dissident]

*yawn*

That's not a troll post. No way.

You bring the evidence, we talk. Actually, one better... you bring the evidence, I leave the BBS. Which is only an enticement really as I don't even know why I'm posting here right now.

It's "I hear you, troll, and I'm not biting any more."  You got piles of evidence.  You're posting here right now because you're addicted to the response you got when you trolled.

[Cognitive Dissident]

FWIW, I'd consider "pro-racism" advocacy trolling, because it's a form of collectivism and inconsistent with liberty.

Racism itself is not inconsistent with liberty. You can hate white people, never talk to them, never hire them, never contract with them, and write books about how evil they are, and at the same time completely adhere to the NAP.

The reason it's inconsistent with liberty is because it's a form of collectivism, which is inconsistent with liberty.  When people think in groups, they become less free and they imply that others are and ought to be less free.  "What are we going to do today?  What are they going to do to us if we do this?"  I discovered this while discussing liberty with my uncle, and he recognized the trap he'd set for himself when he joined a specific church congregation.  Tying yourself to a community can have this effect.

That's not to say that it's impossible to belong to a collective (see the illibertarian verbiage naturally used when discussing collectives--e.g. "belong?") and be free--it's just harder.  Also, collectivism isn't to be confused with free association, because you can associate loosely with others without being part of a collective.  I think this desire to loosely associate has been expressed by some in NH, and especially "Free Keene."

In the case of racism, it's the worst kind of collectivism, in which third parties collectivize each other, rather than first parties collectivizing themselves, although that happens too--particularly in prisons and governments and other gangs, and where all sorts of nice people hang out.  Note that in these example contexts, people in the collective are virtually always less than free to leave the collective.  Frequently, people have to "disappear" to be safe from retaliation for quitting.

Hope that clears up my thinking.  I'm pretty serious about it, and I think it's well-thought-out.

[dalebert]

TL;DR version: Voluntarilly-engaged in collectivism is not a violation of rights justifying force in response, but not very conducive to spreading liberty.

I agree. I think we have to advance socially before we will achieve liberty.