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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 10:10:02 PM »

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Plus who's to say irrational people like that can effectively limit themselves to just destruction of property, and not commit murder?  
Have they killed anyone yet?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-trull18-2008aug18,0,1625747.story

They certainly have tried.
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 10:14:54 PM »

Have they killed anyone yet?

Further in my previous post I make the case that they kill billions of human beings - by discouraging the development of medical advances that could have added years to their lives.  Taking away grandma's ability to breathe is clearly murder (i.e. strangulation or drowning).  What about taking away her ability (negative right) to drink, to eat, or to take her life-saving medicine?

Social changes have exponential effect over time - some cause value to the human civilizations, while some cause harm.  The harm of killing X people is finite, while harm of the "animal rights" insanity, as enforced by government regulations, is on-going.  And government regulations is exactly what they're fighting for.  And we know governments kill, in both indirect as well as very direct ways.

You may not be able to convict any individual "animal rights" nut of murder, but to say that their movement isn't murderous to humans is ridiculous.
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 10:16:16 PM »

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Plus who's to say irrational people like that can effectively limit themselves to just destruction of property, and not commit murder?  
Have they killed anyone yet?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-trull18-2008aug18,0,1625747.story

They certainly have tried.
Pull some quotes, cus I didn't read anything in that article that sounded like they tried to kill someone.
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 10:25:01 PM »

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Plus who's to say irrational people like that can effectively limit themselves to just destruction of property, and not commit murder?  
Have they killed anyone yet?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-trull18-2008aug18,0,1625747.story

They certainly have tried.
Pull some quotes, cus I didn't read anything in that article that sounded like they tried to kill someone.
They firebombed a number of researchers houses, and made a mistake that firebombed the wrong guy's house.
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 10:30:10 PM »

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Plus who's to say irrational people like that can effectively limit themselves to just destruction of property, and not commit murder?  
Have they killed anyone yet?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-trull18-2008aug18,0,1625747.story

They certainly have tried.
Pull some quotes, cus I didn't read anything in that article that sounded like they tried to kill someone.
They firebombed a number of researchers houses, and made a mistake that firebombed the wrong guy's house.
It doesn't say if anyone was home. Trying to burn down a house does not mean you are trying to kill someone.
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2009, 11:05:01 AM »

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Plus who's to say irrational people like that can effectively limit themselves to just destruction of property, and not commit murder?  
Have they killed anyone yet?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-trull18-2008aug18,0,1625747.story

They certainly have tried.
Pull some quotes, cus I didn't read anything in that article that sounded like they tried to kill someone.
They firebombed a number of researchers houses, and made a mistake that firebombed the wrong guy's house.
It doesn't say if anyone was home. Trying to burn down a house does not mean you are trying to kill someone.

cause they knocked to see if anyone was home or in the shower before they threw the cocktails in....

you firebomb my home...regardless of whether or not I'm actually in it...

hmmm....

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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2009, 11:53:30 AM »

LINUX is terrorism
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2009, 01:26:38 PM »

LINUX is terrorism

No, it isn't.  (Well, it is backed by government force, more so than BSD but less than commercial software, but that isn't the context here.)

Linux doesn't destroy value through violence, it offers a market-based alternative.  It is inevitable that in some situations high supply will drive prices to the lowest point market will bare.  Since there are enough programmers willing to contribute for free, that ends up being the price at which most Linux components and distributions are available.  The reason why everyone doesn't use free software 100% is because some market entities offer a competitive advantage that isn't free.  (Yaay Microsoft!)

In the context of "animal rights", this would be equivalent to people offering themselves at a lower cost / higher value than the cost of using animals for scientific experiments, meat, clothing, and so on.  As long as it's consensual, then it's not a problem.  I would totally not buy a new jacket made from animal leather if I could have one made from some "animal rights" nut's skin instead!  :lol:
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2009, 10:29:15 PM »

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/tersandiego_da.htm
Remarks:    San Diego has ties to animal rights extremist groups. He is known to follow a vegan diet, eating no meat or food containing animal products. In the past, he has worked as a computer network specialist and with the operating system LINUX. San Diego wears eyeglasses, is skilled at sailing, and has traveled internationally. He is known to possess a handgun.

don't make me repeat myself, i dont like repeating myself libman,

LINUX is terrorism
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2009, 10:58:55 PM »

You might as well have said "COMPUTER NETWORKING is terrorism" or "WEARING EYEGLASSES is terrorism" or "SAILING is terrorism", etc.   :roll:
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2009, 09:40:44 AM »

You might as well have said "COMPUTER NETWORKING is terrorism" or "WEARING EYEGLASSES is terrorism" or "SAILING is terrorism", etc.   :roll:



Don't you have some spaghetti code to slosh together?
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2009, 12:25:47 PM »

My code mostly resembles sushi, and, yeah, I do.  Every second I waste on this stupid BBS is a second I should have been coding instead.  This would have resulted in me making more money, and allowed me to donate thousands more a month to a libertarian cause.  Sadly for some, I don't do the things that I "should" do from any external criterion, I do things that I "want" to do.  I choose to sacrifice my potential income, my material wealth, and possibly my ability to be more objectively useful to the libertarian cause, for time spent developing my ideas (that no one else seems to appreciate), and otherwise enjoying myself here.  It's my choice to make.
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2009, 12:53:30 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Andreas_San_Diego

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The FBI believes that the bombing targets were chosen because they were both clients of Huntington Life Science, a company that performed drug and chemical research experiments on animals.[5] The agency had San Diego under 24 hour surveillance in 2003.[9] However, he discovered that he was being watched. On October 6, 2003 he parked his car in downtown San Francisco, California, walked away, and never returned.





The bomb had 10 pounds of ammonium nitrate.

The FBI affidavit

 
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Re: Animal rights activist on FBI's 'Most Wanted Terrorists' list
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2009, 05:29:50 PM »

Is there a new definition of "sophisticated" I don't know about?

Uncle Sam Wants You!

...to think all bombs are sophisticated...  :roll:

(Unless you work for them of course.)

The bombs had redundant timers, so maybe they were more sophisticated than your typical home made bomb.
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