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An english word for the "desire to control others"
« on: May 12, 2011, 03:19:43 AM »


We (the liberty minded) must take the conversation away from statists that libertarians are selfish and turn it toward the very real fact that most statists are driven by fear, envy and centrally the desire to control others through force.

...I was thinking about the power of language itself on culture and about the visceral impact of concepts when they are boiled down to single words such as : greed, selfishness, lust and envy etc.
And I realized.. I can't think of a good english word that exists for the 'desire to control others'.

The word "controlling" used in context of describing someones personality; implies this but only when used in context and the word clearly doesn't have quite a sharpness to it like "racist" or "greed".

What if we create this word (or find one. What is it??) and build into it a negative connotation (as it deserves).
Wouldn't this be helpful in framing conversations with statists?

Is it not a central topic of all human liberty to oppose the idea that it's OK/good to control everyone else.. and we don't even have a word for the idea/concept that we are against?

In a way, the relatively new word "statist" (coined by libertarians in the 1940s) has accomplished some of what I'm talking about..
But "statist" really just implies someone who believes in the virtue of the state and the average person does not automatically connect it to the desire to control others.

I believe when you have a good word for a something which there is no word, it's not difficult to get that word to spread..

If this topic is successful I'll add a poll.
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 03:43:41 AM »

http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Made-Up-Word

Here are some made up words I have come up with so far:

controlism

athoratism

dominism

domis

aethus

admos
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 08:50:55 AM »

Two words, but how about "political ambition?"

In the spirit of "made up words," "politicalism," or "politicism."  Of course, the "loaded" term would be "statism."
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 09:39:22 AM »

Not bad but I think it would be best if the word was derived from something like : domination, authoritarian, administration , control, despotic, totalitarian, tyrannical..

Or we could semi-disguise the word : evilism   :twisted:

Example of the word in a conversation :
Statist: "I wish they would restrict gun ownership more."
Libertarian: "I don't know about that.. I try not involve myself in evilism.."
Statist: "Evilism?! I don't support evil?! Evilism?! What's that?!
Libertarian: "The desire to control others through force."
Statist: "But.. but.."
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2011, 09:43:11 AM »

I use the term goosesteppers.

Doesn't sound great, but people get it.
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 09:44:21 AM »

I don't support your goosestepperism!
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 01:01:22 PM »

Not bad but I think it would be best if the word was derived from something like : domination, authoritarian, administration , control, despotic, totalitarian, tyrannical..

Or we could semi-disguise the word : evilism   :twisted:

Example of the word in a conversation :
Statist: "I wish they would restrict gun ownership more."
Libertarian: "I don't know about that.. I try not involve myself in evilism.."
Statist: "Evilism?! I don't support evil?! Evilism?! What's that?!
Libertarian: "The desire to control others through force."
Statist: "But.. but.."

It normally takes a whole conversation just to try to get them to recognize the use of force.
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 02:37:22 PM »

Not bad but I think it would be best if the word was derived from something like : domination, authoritarian, administration , control, despotic, totalitarian, tyrannical..

Or we could semi-disguise the word : evilism   :twisted:

Example of the word in a conversation :
Statist: "I wish they would restrict gun ownership more."
Libertarian: "I don't know about that.. I try not involve myself in evilism.."
Statist: "Evilism?! I don't support evil?! Evilism?! What's that?!
Libertarian: "The desire to control others through force."
Statist: "But.. but.."

It normally takes a whole conversation just to try to get them to recognize the use of force.


Then don't. Frame things into areas people will agree with you readily.
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 06:11:42 PM »

I've been poking at a couple right wingers in the comments over a PATRIOT wall post for c4l on facebook. They seem to think they've found a new home, if only they could get rid of the Ron Paul freaks and Randroids. I've just used statist. I think it communicates their desires very well.
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 09:12:51 PM »

Perhaps you are looking for a word like narcissistic or "megalomaniacal", if you will.

It is my understanding that manipulative behavior usually comes from some kind of psychological narcissism.
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2011, 09:25:09 PM »

A person with the desire to control others is authoritative.  Harry is authoritative.  The judge is authoritative.  The condition itself is authoritarian. 
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2011, 10:50:41 PM »

Hmm....

authoritative |əˈθôriˌtātiv; əˈθär-|
adjective
1 able to be trusted as being accurate or true; reliable : clear, authoritative information and advice | an authoritative source.
• (of a text) considered to be the best of its kind and unlikely to be improved upon : the authoritative study of mollusks.
2 commanding and self-confident; likely to be respected and obeyed : she had an authoritative air | his voice was calm and authoritative.
• proceeding from an official source and requiring compliance or obedience : authoritative directives.
DERIVATIVES
authoritatively adverb
authoritativeness noun
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2011, 10:43:55 PM »

I have also thought about an adequate term for "desire to control others".  Unfortunately I have not found a single word, but the combination of two words works for me.  In a religious setting I use "unrighteous dominion" in a secular setting I use "unjust dominion", and I usually use "exercise" before.  Example, "it would be exercising unrighteous dominion to ban someone from allowing smoking at a business they own on property they own."

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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2011, 03:13:44 PM »

I like the "authoritative" approach, tough it tends to be misunderstood anyway. Here in Germany it's still not seen that authority is a two way street.

My take is

sociopath, sociopathic - lack of building/keeping relationships
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Re: An english word for the "desire to control others"
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2012, 12:10:22 AM »

word "statist" is a negative pejorative that conveys control.....

once in an online debate i labeled a person who was an avid bush supporter as essentially statist, he became apoplectically offended.  :P

i vote for statist as the new "librul" pejorative

stat·ism (sttzm)
n
The practice or doctrine of giving a centralized government control over economic planning and policy.

statist [ˈsteɪtɪst]
n
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) an advocate of statism


In a way, the relatively new word "statist" (coined by libertarians in the 1940s) has accomplished some of what I'm talking about..

But "statist" really just implies someone who believes in the virtue of the state and the average person does not automatically connect it to the desire to control others.

Italics are mine, for emphasis.
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