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I've come to the conclusion that, by conventional standards, almost everyone is a pervert and the evidence is right in front of them, yet most choose to ignore it.
[edit: the above "pervert" is a tongue-in-cheek]
My hypothesis is that most men, and possibly many women, are sexually attracted to underage, sometimes pre-pubescent individuals or styles.
1) Shaving. Men shave their face, women shave their pits, legs, sometimes coont, wax their lips, etc. All of these are designed to revert our adult features into the features of children, pre-pubescent ones at that. It's theorized that the reason men kept beards even though the rest of our bodies became relatively hairless (compared to monkeys) is because it allows women to know, even from a distance, that they're near a sexually capable male.
The general reaction to this is "Well, leg and armpit hair is gross!". My question is: why? Those are natural features that only adults have, yet it's MORE ATTRACTIVE to have those features (the ones that are the main differences, externally, between children and adults) resemble pre-pubescent children.
And I don't think I even need to discuss why it's pedophiliac to prefer a hairless crotch.
2) Skinny models. Big hips, big breasts, and big asses have traditionally, like facial hair mentioned above, been the hallmarks of "I'm a female capable of birthing a healthy child". Yet look at today's top runway models: Skinny. Assless, chestless, child-like females.
3) Barely legal porn. It's called by a lot of different names: Teen, Barely Legal, Schoolgirl (particularly in Japan). Call it what you want, but when you enjoy a porn who's main feature is that the girls are as young as they can legally be (let alone playing a younger part in a roleplaying fantasy), you might as well just admit to yourself that you want to bang minors.
4) People (especially female teachers) constantly getting busted for conceptual sex with minors. This is not a strong of point as the others, but if you read Fark or watch the news, pretty much every day a new teacher is getting caught banging a minor, and they only get caught because they're the ones people suspect. Given that I know *personally* a number of people who've (consentually, of course) banged high school chicks when they themselves were in their 20s, it seems like it's happening all over the place, in parties on every campus.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to come across as holier-than-thou or somehow immune to all this. I too readily admit to being attracted to shaved women, and I've enjoyed plenty of teen adult entertainment. I just wanted to throw this out there since it comes up on the radio show sometimes, and see what you all thought.
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Actually I like just clean shaven because it's clean shaven. Not because it looks younger. In fact, I have a distain for barely legal porn.
-- Brede
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cleanly shaven because food stuck in a beard is gross, and stubble makes kissing painful.
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What if I said I think chicks who look 14 are hot, but I'm not interested in 14 year olds?
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Teenage girls used to be middle-aged when we only lived into our 30s, so it is likely the instinct of attraction to teens is still heavily with us. If they are capable of having babies, it should not be surprising that many men (probably far more than would admit it) are physically attracted to them.
Considering the dumbing down of America via the government school system it's amazing that adults would want to spend any time whatsoever with American teenagers. If teenagers weren't so mentally childlike, perhaps the social stigma attached to attraction to them would not exist.
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Why shave? Cause hair is itchy. Also, "hair down there" on females is just gross. If I was turned on by "natural" hair, I'd jack off to pictures of ZZ Top. Now that we have the means to get rid of hair why not do it? I like looking at a vagina more than I do staring at a mound of furry, smelly cunt hair. What are we arguing here anyway? Are you saying natural is better based on the fact that its natural or that its more efficient or what?
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In former times it was usual to marry as early as possible. And in Islamic countries this is still the fact. And if you ask me: a girl of 15 or 16 might be not in all cases a women mentally but biological usually. And that's what matters to nature. So it's not the age group of girls I would intentionally prefere, but for example 2 weeks ago I had a date with a 16 yo girl but I didn't know that. And damn she looked like 18/19. But the laws aren't that strict here in GER about sexual relations I think. That's the only advantage of the leftist revolt in the late 60s. If there's a 14 yo girl the law says that a sexual relationship to a adult person is legal "if the girl has the ability of sexual self-determination". If the girl is 16 yo or above there's no restriction. Same regulations apply to boys of course.
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Gott sei Dank!
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Gott sei Dank!
You know that's in fact the only good thing done by the leftists. They destroyed bigott sexual tabus. But they established a lot more political tabus.
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Actually I like just clean shaven because it's clean shaven. Not because it looks younger. In fact, I have a distain for barely legal porn.
-- Brede
cleanly shaven because food stuck in a beard is gross, and stubble makes kissing painful.
I think people shave because it's a social norm at this point.
Yes, certainly there are practical, hygienic reasons for shaving. But I'm not particularly interested in why we shave, I'm more concerned with why being shaved is more attractive, generally, than a beard or unshaven face, given that up until recently (maybe last 2000 years or so but I'm not a historian so that's just a guess) it wasn't even possible to shave. Even in ancient Greece, a civilization about 2000 years old, facial hair in sculpture was used as an age indicator. Statues without it are supposed to represent young men, and statues with it are supposed to represent old men. Facial hair has been used as an age indicator for probably as long as humans have been around. But for some reason, modern culture has promoted the idea that the facial hair (or lack of it) of a prepubescent is more attractive than the facial hair of an adult. That's all.
What if I said I think chicks who look 14 are hot, but I'm not interested in 14 year olds?
Whatever helps you sleep at night :p. Age is just a number. If you're attracted to 14 year olds (or girls who look like they are) but don't want to pursue that kind of relationship, that's all up to you (and it's probably a good idea not to, IMO). But when you break it down, you're attracted to minors, even if you tell yourself that the actor is really 18.
Teenage girls used to be middle-aged when we only lived into our 30s, so it is likely the instinct of attraction to teens is still heavily with us. If they are capable of having babies, it should not be surprising that many men (probably far more than would admit it) are physically attracted to them.
Considering the dumbing down of America via the government school system it's amazing that adults would want to spend any time whatsoever with American teenagers. If teenagers weren't so mentally childlike, perhaps the social stigma attached to attraction to them would not exist.
In former times it was usual to marry as early as possible. And in Islamic countries this is still the fact. And if you ask me: a girl of 15 or 16 might be not in all cases a women mentally but biological usually. And that's what matters to nature. So it's not the age group of girls I would intentionally prefere, but for example 2 weeks ago I had a date with a 16 yo girl but I didn't know that. And damn she looked like 18/19. But the laws aren't that strict here in GER about sexual relations I think. That's the only advantage of the leftist revolt in the late 60s. If there's a 14 yo girl the law says that a sexual relationship to a adult person is legal "if the girl has the ability of sexual self-determination". If the girl is 16 yo or above there's no restriction. Same regulations apply to boys of course.
Yup. I think teens in general are kind of dumb an annoying (after all, their only previous life experience is being a child, so what can you expect?) without regard to their schooling. And I'm certain, beyond any reasonable doubt, that men are wired to start being attracted to any female post-puberty, regardless of age: Nature doesn't keep track of numbers.
Why shave? Cause hair is itchy. Also, "hair down there" on females is just gross. If I was turned on by "natural" hair, I'd jack off to pictures of ZZ Top. Now that we have the means to get rid of hair why not do it? I like looking at a vagina more than I do staring at a mound of furry, smelly cunt hair. What are we arguing here anyway? Are you saying natural is better based on the fact that its natural or that its more efficient or what?
Why is it gross? Think about it. I believe you when you say that you feel that it is, no doubt, a lot of guys are that way. But my question is deeper: WHY is it gross? We have hair on our heads, we have hair on our backs, asses, most of our bodies. Yet, for you anyway, having crotch hair is gross, even though in the wild the only females you'd see without it would be children. Also, as an aside, you must sleep with dirty women, because the smell of a furburger has never been bad enough to turn me off.
I'm not trying to say natural is better, those are subjective terms that can't be proven one way or another. I'm simply pointing out that a great deal of what's considered attractive in modern society are THE EXACT THINGS that separate mature adults from children, and that people seem to prefer those aspects to be child-like instead of the adult version.
All: I'm definitely not trying to come across as morally righteous. I'll readily admit that when I'm at the beach watching girls I don't really care if they're 15 or 35 as long as they're pleasant on the eyes. My point is that while most people (maybe not most of the people here, but in general) will swear that they have no pedophiliac tendancies, yet they surround themselves with sexual imagery that, to the primitive mind, is that of a child.
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Men can be sexually active for almost their entire lives, women only get about 25 years to bear offspring - and thats pushin it.
With that in mind, the procreative instinct would make younger females more attractive to primitive man, simply due to longevity. Get 'em when they're ready, and maybe they'll survive the dangers of the wilds long enough to raise a kid to maturity.
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I would agree that people with certain (according to them) 'distasteful' tendencies have a habit of using government to control the activity as a means of protecting them from themselves.
A fat guy with little self control may applaud a law which bans certain fatty foods, as the temptation is largely removed.
A pedophile applauds child 'protection' laws in order to bring the risk level to a point where he/she is more easily able to resist urges.
Folks who can't control themselves love the idea of a larger entity taking over for 'em... even if it means controlling folks who have no such problems.
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Given that I know *personally* a number of people who've (consentually, of course) banged high school chicks when they themselves were in their 20s, it seems like it's happening all over the place, in parties on every campus.
You can add me to that list :wink: 8)
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Given that I know *personally* a number of people who've (consentually, of course) banged high school chicks when they themselves were in their 20s, it seems like it's happening all over the place, in parties on every campus.
You can add me to that list :wink: 8)
As far as I can tell (obviously I only talk about this with close friends or anonymous internet folk), pretty much everyone acknowledges that it's the norm for underage high school girls to show up at college parties and for the college dudes to sleep with them without anyone (at the parties) having a problem with it.
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Define "underage sex" without resorting to the arbitrary whims of bureaucrats or personal opinion, please. Because the concept as presented in this thread appears useless.
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Folks who can't control themselves love the idea of a larger entity taking over for 'em... even if it means controlling folks who have no such problems.
Exactly, that's the whole problem. I don't care if some one means to deserve a "higher entity" controlling his actions. Just make a contract with a controlling agency or somewhat. But let government out of the game. If you need control for yourselves, fine but I don't.
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Define "underage sex" without resorting to the arbitrary whims of bureaucrats or personal opinion, please. Because the concept as presented in this thread appears useless.
I thought I was being quite clear because I was using the terms "pre-pubescent" and "post-pubescent", but ok.
Underage: Under the age of being a legal adult. That would be 18 in the U.S. That's the age that everyone pretends they don't find people younger than attractive despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
As I think you're alluding to, there is no such thing as being "underage" for sex, it's just a legal fiction. That's why I tried to use puberty as a metric instead of age (although the title used that term because of the way people pretend that anything under 18 is sexually undesirable, even though they act the opposite). You also might note that I wasn't implying that people finding people under 18 attractive are pedophiliac (because they aren't: you aren't a pedophile if you're attracted to post-pubescent minors), rather that people who find the features of a child on a person of ANY age attractive might be hiding a primal tendency from themselves.
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Given that I know *personally* a number of people who've (consentually, of course) banged high school chicks when they themselves were in their 20s, it seems like it's happening all over the place, in parties on every campus.
You can add me to that list :wink: 8)
As far as I can tell (obviously I only talk about this with close friends or anonymous internet folk), pretty much everyone acknowledges that it's the norm for underage high school girls to show up at college parties and for the college dudes to sleep with them without anyone (at the parties) having a problem with it.
"Occifer I swear, I didn't know (hiccup) she was under the legal age. What? No. I'm not drunk I swear!!!"
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Yes, certainly there are practical, hygienic reasons for shaving. But I'm not particularly interested in why we shave, I'm more concerned with why being shaved is more attractive, generally, than a beard or unshaven face, given that up until recently (maybe last 2000 years or so but I'm not a historian so that's just a guess) it wasn't even possible to shave.
Actually it was common for folks to shave even in the past, but it was a habit that was painful as you had knives or primitive razors, or just pumice (shells and stones) to rub away the facial hair.
Even in ancient Greece, a civilization about 2000 years old, facial hair in sculpture was used as an age indicator. Statues without it are supposed to represent young men, and statues with it are supposed to represent old men. Facial hair has been used as an age indicator for probably as long as humans have been around. But for some reason, modern culture has promoted the idea that the facial hair (or lack of it) of a prepubescent is more attractive than the facial hair of an adult. That's all.
Culturally, maybe, but individually, not so. I find I like clean shaven since it looks just plain human compared to a bearded savage. To me, shaving means you got the time and the money to do so, and that's what I like. A civilized human not a savage. So, it's not an age thing for me, it's a techno-economic centric thing for me. I hate kids, except my nieces and nephew. :3
Yup. I think teens in general are kind of dumb an annoying (after all, their only previous life experience is being a child, so what can you expect?) without regard to their schooling. And I'm certain, beyond any reasonable doubt, that men are wired to start being attracted to any female post-puberty, regardless of age: Nature doesn't keep track of numbers.
QFT, but also another thing. To be honest, I find many of these annoy teenagers grow up to be annoying adults with the same infantile "GIMMEH GIMMEH GIMMEH" attitude, then it seems when they have their own spawn, they just impress it on their kids to a greater degree. Thus, it becomes a self-referencing sort of effect. It just keeps going until either the productive folks say fuck with this shit or the system collapses from the lack of any productive folks left around to maintain it.
-- Brede
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Well, I like my beard. My ex made me shave the mustache part for kissing purposes, which I thought was weird, given how little she actually wanted to kiss me. I wear a beard because I have a weak chin, and without it I look like a 13 year old chinless mutant. I only have a goatee now, but I have had a full beard too. I haven't shaved my chin in years. I use a razor to shave around it and a trimmer to keep it neat. Chicks seem to dig it.
As for "down there" lets just say I keep things under control. I like a clean shave on the girl parts (that way nothing tickles your nose or gets caught in your teeth), but honestly, a huge bush of untamed pubes beats stubble any day. A 5 o'clock shadow is not cool on your genitals. Aesthetically, it looks better to me to see a hairless female body. You can appreciate her form and the smooth softness of her skin. I think for me, body hair is not so much adult as masculine, so less of it is better on a woman.
Anyway, I will be the first to admit, I like younger women. My current girlfriend is 7 years younger than me, and has only been legally able to drink for a year and a half. She keeps asking me if I'll dump her for a high school girl. :P
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Underage: Under the age of being a legal adult. That would be 18 in the U.S. That's the age that everyone pretends they don't find people younger than attractive despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
That is kinda funny.
"Wow, did that chick just turn hot?"
"Yeah, it's her 18th birthday."
"Oh..."
A friend of mine bumped uglies with a hot 14 year old when he was 19, though she told him she was 18... and looked the part.
I gotta say, if I'd had the opportunity I probably would have hit it, too.
Sometimes it's not so bad, being the sidekick.
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I got darn close to doin' the job with a 13 year old when I was 17. I got an anonymous tip-off from a guy who knew her that she was not actually 16, like she told me. I almost went ahead with it (I wouldn't have been the first), but decided against it. It just kind of creeped me out. Later the same year, I had a 14 year old go out with me just because she wanted to lose her virginity. When I wouldn't do it (again, I just felt creepy about it), she got mad, dumped me, and told everyone I was probably gay. Now, shes an angry patchouli stinking armpit hair having ultra feminist hippie chick. Probably a lesbian too. :?
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I had a similar thing happen when I was 17 maybe 18, working at a gas station. This cutie always used to walk through, accompanied by the cute-chicks friend, which always sucks. I'd give them cigs and shit, they were vague about their age, but the cutie looked about 16. Didn't really care about the friend, she needed to be on a leash. Anyhow, one day she comes by alone, and I leave work with her in the passenger seat.
So, we go parkin' in one of the usual spots, seats folded back, summertime. If you've never felt a cherry, its odd when you don't expect it. So, I ask "are you a virgin?" she says Yeah. I ask how old she really is, because the only clue I had was her mentioning getting her drivers license soon. She's 14. Which was also probably bullshit.
Voomp! Up come the seats, take her back home, seeya. She was cute, though. If she looked like that at 14, she was either a serious fuck-doll at 21, or completely skagged up. I'm guessing she probably remained hot, because she was pretty bubbly, kinda like a cheerleader - except for the wet crotch.
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Actually I like just clean shaven because it's clean shaven. Not because it looks younger. In fact, I have a distain for barely legal porn.
-- Brede
^^^^^^
All of this
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As far as being underage goes, I looked pretty much like I do now when I was twelve. I was thinner, but the proportions were the same. I had a period by nine years old, and boobs by ten. I lost my virginity at twelve.
Shaving: I like to be as hair-free as possible. I will not, however shave my legs and my nether regions on a daily basis unless someone is seeing them.
Everybody likes something different. What ever floats your boat.
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As far as being underage goes, I looked pretty much like I do now when I was twelve. I was thinner, but the proportions were the same. I had a period by nine years old, and boobs by ten. I lost my virginity at twelve.
Shaving: I like to be as hair-free as possible. I will not, however shave my legs and my nether regions on a daily basis unless someone is seeing them.
Everybody likes something different. What ever floats your boat.
Uhhhhhhh no one wants to hear your life story. Just get to the sex part.
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Umm... I'm barely overage and I'm not at all attracted to underage ladies (which I'm going to say is 15 and under since some 16 or 17 year olds can look older than they are).
As for the shaving thing... no. Remember that in the 19th century it was in style for all men to have full beards. What changed that-- a public obsession with youth? Try again. It was the sanitary movement. Once men realized that disease came from germs and not miasma, they shaved their beards off because it was more sanitary. Not because they wanted to have sex with prepubescent girls, but because they wanted to live longer.
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Umm... I'm barely overage and I'm not at all attracted to underage ladies (which I'm going to say is 15 and under since some 16 or 17 year olds can look older than they are).
As for the shaving thing... no. Remember that in the 19th century it was in style for all men to have full beards. What changed that-- a public obsession with youth? Try again. It was the sanitary movement. Once men realized that disease came from germs and not miasma, they shaved their beards off because it was more sanitary. Not because they wanted to have sex with prepubescent girls, but because they wanted to live longer.
That's retarded. I'm not dirty because I have a beard.
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... I didn't say you are dirty because you have a beard. However, beards are less sanitary than clean shaven faces. I'm sure you wash your beard. Men in the 19th century... not so often.
That's an important difference. Enjoy your beard. There is nothing wrong with having facial hair.
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Umm... I'm barely overage and I'm not at all attracted to underage ladies (which I'm going to say is 15 and under since some 16 or 17 year olds can look older than they are).
As for the shaving thing... no. Remember that in the 19th century it was in style for all men to have full beards. What changed that-- a public obsession with youth? Try again. It was the sanitary movement. Once men realized that disease came from germs and not miasma, they shaved their beards off because it was more sanitary. Not because they wanted to have sex with prepubescent girls, but because they wanted to live longer.
I'm not trying to argue about the sanitary or practical reasons for shaving, obviously there are many. Quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me what reasons *men* shave their face. What I'm more interested in is why *women* find the lack of facial hair *on men* generally more attractive than beards. And I don't buy the whole "it's cleaner" crap, because beards are not dirty, not in an age of a bath-a-day (unlike the 19th century, where bathes were less frequent).
At any rate, the whole beard/no beard thing is not the crux of my proposition, there are plenty of other factors that I discussed. Don't get me wrong though, I think you're right, there are reasons from the male point of view to shave. But that doesn't address the issue of attraction from women to shaved men, unless they're attracted to practicalness. And of course, bearded men have no problem picking up women, so it's certainly not a requirement to be shaved to be attractive.
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As far as being underage goes, I looked pretty much like I do now when I was twelve. I was thinner, but the proportions were the same. I had a period by nine years old, and boobs by ten. I lost my virginity at twelve.
Shaving: I like to be as hair-free as possible. I will not, however shave my legs and my nether regions on a daily basis unless someone is seeing them.
Everybody likes something different. What ever floats your boat.
Uhhhhhhh no one wants to hear your life story. Just get to the sex part.
And nobody wants to hear a Goddamn thing from you, so shut the fuck up.
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I'm not trying to argue about the sanitary or practical reasons for shaving, obviously there are many. Quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me what reasons *men* shave their face. What I'm more interested in is why *women* find the lack of facial hair *on men* generally more attractive than beards. And I don't buy the whole "it's cleaner" crap, because beards are not dirty, not in an age of a bath-a-day (unlike the 19th century, where bathes were less frequent).
At any rate, the whole beard/no beard thing is not the crux of my proposition, there are plenty of other factors that I discussed. Don't get me wrong though, I think you're right, there are reasons from the male point of view to shave. But that doesn't address the issue of attraction from women to shaved men, unless they're attracted to practicalness. And of course, bearded men have no problem picking up women, so it's certainly not a requirement to be shaved to be attractive.
Women could be attracted to clean-shaven men for so many reasons, though, other than that it makes them look younger (which is even debatable).
As for your other factors, supermodels (and this really only happens with supermodels) need to be thin-- that is the only criteria for supermodels. The small breasts and small buttocks are just side effects of their being so fatless, as those two regions are essentially fat reservoirs. It's because they're anorexic, not because America wants underage sex (most Americans never see supermodels anyway-- they're reserved for fashion magazines). Also, their bodies aren't even completely child-like. One trait looked for in models is long legs, which is decidedly an adult female characteristic.
The existence of "barely legal" porn also does not prove widespread pedophilia. First off, many people who look at barely legal porn may do so because "barely legal" girls are actually their peer group, which aids with the sexual fantasy. Underage boys, and men ages 18-22 might prefer that age group of women. Don't bring up Japan's obsession with school girls-- the country has a messed up sexual culture, and we're talking about America.
As for the teacher sex-- do you realize how many schools there are in the United States? Even if there were a new case every day, that would be 365 incidents, which is hardly endemic. And trust me, if a teacher is having sex with a student, eeeeeveryone's going to know (unless the child is REALLY young, like less than 12 years old, which is extraordinarily rare). If you can't go around high school without everyone knowing that whatsherface went down on the whole basketball team, you better believe something as big as a teacher having sex with a minor is going to get out. As for why teachers might have sex with their students, this is complicated psychology but I'm confident it has nothing to do with American society as a whole being sexually attracted to children. One possibility is that teaching is the sort of job that would attract people who are pedophiles, so the sample is already biased. Also, being around kids all day and developing a sort of love for them leaves some teachers confused about how to react to these feelings, especially if the teacher is crazy.
It's well documented that men are attracted to youth, but this is young as in late teens, early twenties (prime breeding age) and not young as in low teens or preteen. It is rare that older men are attracted to people that young. I've seen some evolutionary speculation that males developed a tendency to inseminate as many breeding-capable females as they could. Females, on the other hand, developed a tendency to lock a male down to help her while she's pregnant, etc. I don't know how large the age disparity was between your friends and their sexual partners, but I'm guessing it wasn't more than five or six years, which to me is quite inappropriate, but to others is borderline. I'm also guessing the underage girls involved were 16- or 17-years-old and not 13- or 14-years-old.
I just really don't get how you concluded that Americans all want underage sex.
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I always thought that women liked smooth faced men because the expressiveness of the face is impeded when there is a lot of facial hair. The whole women and communication thing gets messed up when a man's face is heavily covered.
This is total speculation.
There are exceptions to this, of course. Some men were born to express themselves from behind a beard.
(http://www.placeboma.com/bigandbeardy/files/page0_blog_entry18_1.jpg)
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I always thought that women liked smooth faced men because the expressiveness of the face is impeded when there is a lot of facial hair. The whole women and communication thing gets messed up when a man's face is heavily covered.
This is total speculation.
There are exceptions to this, of course. Some men were born to express themselves from behind a beard.
Lets not forget...
(http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/celebrity/images/TV/grizzlygarbage.JPG)
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Whatever's in that can must be pretty fucked up.
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Teenage girls used to be middle-aged when we only lived into our 30s, so it is likely the instinct of attraction to teens is still heavily with us. If they are capable of having babies, it should not be surprising that many men (probably far more than would admit it) are physically attracted to them.
Considering the dumbing down of America via the government school system it's amazing that adults would want to spend any time whatsoever with American teenagers. If teenagers weren't so mentally childlike, perhaps the social stigma attached to attraction to them would not exist.
Ditto.
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Whatever's in that can must be pretty fucked up.
Bear jerky cured in moonshine, maybe.
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Whatever's in that can must be pretty fucked up.
It's a can of whoop ass.
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I'm not trying to argue about the sanitary or practical reasons for shaving, obviously there are many. Quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me what reasons *men* shave their face. What I'm more interested in is why *women* find the lack of facial hair *on men* generally more attractive than beards. And I don't buy the whole "it's cleaner" crap, because beards are not dirty, not in an age of a bath-a-day (unlike the 19th century, where bathes were less frequent).
At any rate, the whole beard/no beard thing is not the crux of my proposition, there are plenty of other factors that I discussed. Don't get me wrong though, I think you're right, there are reasons from the male point of view to shave. But that doesn't address the issue of attraction from women to shaved men, unless they're attracted to practicalness. And of course, bearded men have no problem picking up women, so it's certainly not a requirement to be shaved to be attractive.
Women could be attracted to clean-shaven men for so many reasons, though, other than that it makes them look younger (which is even debatable).
As for your other factors, supermodels (and this really only happens with supermodels) need to be thin-- that is the only criteria for supermodels. The small breasts and small buttocks are just side effects of their being so fatless, as those two regions are essentially fat reservoirs. It's because they're anorexic, not because America wants underage sex (most Americans never see supermodels anyway-- they're reserved for fashion magazines). Also, their bodies aren't even completely child-like. One trait looked for in models is long legs, which is decidedly an adult female characteristic.
The existence of "barely legal" porn also does not prove widespread pedophilia. First off, many people who look at barely legal porn may do so because "barely legal" girls are actually their peer group, which aids with the sexual fantasy. Underage boys, and men ages 18-22 might prefer that age group of women. Don't bring up Japan's obsession with school girls-- the country has a messed up sexual culture, and we're talking about America.
As for the teacher sex-- do you realize how many schools there are in the United States? Even if there were a new case every day, that would be 365 incidents, which is hardly endemic. And trust me, if a teacher is having sex with a student, eeeeeveryone's going to know (unless the child is REALLY young, like less than 12 years old, which is extraordinarily rare). If you can't go around high school without everyone knowing that whatsherface went down on the whole basketball team, you better believe something as big as a teacher having sex with a minor is going to get out. As for why teachers might have sex with their students, this is complicated psychology but I'm confident it has nothing to do with American society as a whole being sexually attracted to children. One possibility is that teaching is the sort of job that would attract people who are pedophiles, so the sample is already biased. Also, being around kids all day and developing a sort of love for them leaves some teachers confused about how to react to these feelings, especially if the teacher is crazy.
It's well documented that men are attracted to youth, but this is young as in late teens, early twenties (prime breeding age) and not young as in low teens or preteen. It is rare that older men are attracted to people that young. I've seen some evolutionary speculation that males developed a tendency to inseminate as many breeding-capable females as they could. Females, on the other hand, developed a tendency to lock a male down to help her while she's pregnant, etc. I don't know how large the age disparity was between your friends and their sexual partners, but I'm guessing it wasn't more than five or six years, which to me is quite inappropriate, but to others is borderline. I'm also guessing the underage girls involved were 16- or 17-years-old and not 13- or 14-years-old.
I just really don't get how you concluded that Americans all want underage sex.
I didn't conclude anything, I said it was my hypothesis/theory. On top of that, the theory isn't that adults want underage sex (I'll admit my title was misleading, but it got a hell of a lot of people to click on it), simply that they're attracted to attributes that, until the recent past (that being the last few thousand years), would have been only found in children, which may indicate some kind of hidden evolutionary urge to have sex with people who are well under the age of 18. I'll be the first to admit that the points in my OP were circumstantial at best, but to simply wipe away said evidence is to turn a complete blind eye to the entire sexual culture in America.
FWIW, I think you're wrong about long legs being an attribute of adult females: it's actually young females who have disproportionately long legs compared to adults (due to narrower hips).
Also, I picked up a copy of Barely Legal (the magazine) a while back, and trust me, the target market of that magazine was NOT young males. It was the creepiest text in any porno mag I've ever seen, clearly aimed at old men. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barely_Legal_%28magazine%29):
These profiles tend to pander to the readers' fantasies by portraying the models as somewhat naive and sexually inexperienced, but curious and eager to start satisfying their sexual appetites, especially with the older men who make up the main demographic of the magazine, now that they have reached the age of consent.
I mean seriously, the magazine I read actually had (fictional) stories about implied-underage girls losing their virginity to old men. Maybe that's just that one particular magazine, but no way in hell was that magazine meant for 18-22 year olds.
As for the teacher-student thing: I disagree. If you look how long these relationships go on, and how they're discovered, it's really hard to make the claim that these things get out every time they happen. I'll agree with you: it's certainly not common. But I do think it might be a symptom of a larger issue.
Anyway this whole issue comes down to opinion, and one things for certain is that it's extremely unlikely that I'm 100% correct. However, to me, when I combine all of the little details, life stories and experiences, etc, into one overall picture of human sexuality, it appears (once again: to me) that some of the many details we analyze when determining if someone is attractive are traits found only in children. Certainly not all: large breasts, strong upper bodies (in men) and so on. But, the parts that are child-like cause me to wonder if we're wired to start being attracted to the opposite sex even when they're at a young age. I mean, when you were 12 you probably had sexual thoughts about your classmates and whatnot. So what's changed? You were attracted to 11 year olds then, so did you're brain cleans itself between then and now? I don't think it does.
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Hahaha.
It's black powder. And a coke spoon.
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I'm not trying to argue about the sanitary or practical reasons for shaving, obviously there are many. Quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me what reasons *men* shave their face. What I'm more interested in is why *women* find the lack of facial hair *on men* generally more attractive than beards. And I don't buy the whole "it's cleaner" crap, because beards are not dirty, not in an age of a bath-a-day (unlike the 19th century, where bathes were less frequent).
At any rate, the whole beard/no beard thing is not the crux of my proposition, there are plenty of other factors that I discussed. Don't get me wrong though, I think you're right, there are reasons from the male point of view to shave. But that doesn't address the issue of attraction from women to shaved men, unless they're attracted to practicalness. And of course, bearded men have no problem picking up women, so it's certainly not a requirement to be shaved to be attractive.
Women could be attracted to clean-shaven men for so many reasons, though, other than that it makes them look younger (which is even debatable).
As for your other factors, supermodels (and this really only happens with supermodels) need to be thin-- that is the only criteria for supermodels. The small breasts and small buttocks are just side effects of their being so fatless, as those two regions are essentially fat reservoirs. It's because they're anorexic, not because America wants underage sex (most Americans never see supermodels anyway-- they're reserved for fashion magazines). Also, their bodies aren't even completely child-like. One trait looked for in models is long legs, which is decidedly an adult female characteristic.
The existence of "barely legal" porn also does not prove widespread pedophilia. First off, many people who look at barely legal porn may do so because "barely legal" girls are actually their peer group, which aids with the sexual fantasy. Underage boys, and men ages 18-22 might prefer that age group of women. Don't bring up Japan's obsession with school girls-- the country has a messed up sexual culture, and we're talking about America.
As for the teacher sex-- do you realize how many schools there are in the United States? Even if there were a new case every day, that would be 365 incidents, which is hardly endemic. And trust me, if a teacher is having sex with a student, eeeeeveryone's going to know (unless the child is REALLY young, like less than 12 years old, which is extraordinarily rare). If you can't go around high school without everyone knowing that whatsherface went down on the whole basketball team, you better believe something as big as a teacher having sex with a minor is going to get out. As for why teachers might have sex with their students, this is complicated psychology but I'm confident it has nothing to do with American society as a whole being sexually attracted to children. One possibility is that teaching is the sort of job that would attract people who are pedophiles, so the sample is already biased. Also, being around kids all day and developing a sort of love for them leaves some teachers confused about how to react to these feelings, especially if the teacher is crazy.
It's well documented that men are attracted to youth, but this is young as in late teens, early twenties (prime breeding age) and not young as in low teens or preteen. It is rare that older men are attracted to people that young. I've seen some evolutionary speculation that males developed a tendency to inseminate as many breeding-capable females as they could. Females, on the other hand, developed a tendency to lock a male down to help her while she's pregnant, etc. I don't know how large the age disparity was between your friends and their sexual partners, but I'm guessing it wasn't more than five or six years, which to me is quite inappropriate, but to others is borderline. I'm also guessing the underage girls involved were 16- or 17-years-old and not 13- or 14-years-old.
I just really don't get how you concluded that Americans all want underage sex.
I didn't conclude anything, I said it was my hypothesis/theory. On top of that, the theory isn't that adults want underage sex (I'll admit my title was misleading, but it got a hell of a lot of people to click on it), simply that they're attracted to attributes that, until the recent past (that being the last few thousand years), would have been only found in children, which may indicate some kind of hidden evolutionary urge to have sex with people who are well under the age of 18. I'll be the first to admit that the points in my OP were circumstantial at best, but to simply wipe away said evidence is to turn a complete blind eye to the entire sexual culture in America.
FWIW, I think you're wrong about long legs being an attribute of adult females: it's actually young females who have disproportionately long legs compared to adults (due to narrower hips).
Also, I picked up a copy of Barely Legal (the magazine) a while back, and trust me, the target market of that magazine was NOT young males. It was the creepiest text in any porno mag I've ever seen, clearly aimed at old men. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barely_Legal_%28magazine%29):
These profiles tend to pander to the readers' fantasies by portraying the models as somewhat naive and sexually inexperienced, but curious and eager to start satisfying their sexual appetites, especially with the older men who make up the main demographic of the magazine, now that they have reached the age of consent.
I mean seriously, the magazine I read actually had (fictional) stories about implied-underage girls losing their virginity to old men. Maybe that's just that one particular magazine, but no way in hell was that magazine meant for 18-22 year olds.
As for the teacher-student thing: I disagree. If you look how long these relationships go on, and how they're discovered, it's really hard to make the claim that these things get out every time they happen. I'll agree with you: it's certainly not common. But I do think it might be a symptom of a larger issue.
Anyway this whole issue comes down to opinion, and one things for certain is that it's extremely unlikely that I'm 100% correct. However, to me, when I combine all of the little details, life stories and experiences, etc, into one overall picture of human sexuality, it appears (once again: to me) that some of the many details we analyze when determining if someone is attractive are traits found only in children. Certainly not all: large breasts, strong upper bodies (in men) and so on. But, the parts that are child-like cause me to wonder if we're wired to start being attracted to the opposite sex even when they're at a young age. I mean, when you were 12 you probably had sexual thoughts about your classmates and whatnot. So what's changed? You were attracted to 11 year olds then, so did you're brain cleans itself between then and now? I don't think it does.
Do you want to be a psychologist when you grow up??? What you say is too easy.
I already have a lucrative career in a completely different field.
What was the point of your post again? All I proposed was an idea, requested feedback, attempted to defend my theory in order to flesh out more flaws in it (pointed out by the people who made reasonable replies), repeat.
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I guess it depends on the 11 year old. If she's 5'3 with a C cup and hips that could kill a man, it's not a fair fight. And yes, I have seen such a thing. Now, if she looks like 11 year olds used to look, I don't think there's such a widespread issue.
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I'm not trying to argue about the sanitary or practical reasons for shaving, obviously there are many. Quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me what reasons *men* shave their face. What I'm more interested in is why *women* find the lack of facial hair *on men* generally more attractive than beards. And I don't buy the whole "it's cleaner" crap, because beards are not dirty, not in an age of a bath-a-day (unlike the 19th century, where bathes were less frequent).
At any rate, the whole beard/no beard thing is not the crux of my proposition, there are plenty of other factors that I discussed. Don't get me wrong though, I think you're right, there are reasons from the male point of view to shave. But that doesn't address the issue of attraction from women to shaved men, unless they're attracted to practicalness. And of course, bearded men have no problem picking up women, so it's certainly not a requirement to be shaved to be attractive.
Women could be attracted to clean-shaven men for so many reasons, though, other than that it makes them look younger (which is even debatable).
As for your other factors, supermodels (and this really only happens with supermodels) need to be thin-- that is the only criteria for supermodels. The small breasts and small buttocks are just side effects of their being so fatless, as those two regions are essentially fat reservoirs. It's because they're anorexic, not because America wants underage sex (most Americans never see supermodels anyway-- they're reserved for fashion magazines). Also, their bodies aren't even completely child-like. One trait looked for in models is long legs, which is decidedly an adult female characteristic.
The existence of "barely legal" porn also does not prove widespread pedophilia. First off, many people who look at barely legal porn may do so because "barely legal" girls are actually their peer group, which aids with the sexual fantasy. Underage boys, and men ages 18-22 might prefer that age group of women. Don't bring up Japan's obsession with school girls-- the country has a messed up sexual culture, and we're talking about America.
As for the teacher sex-- do you realize how many schools there are in the United States? Even if there were a new case every day, that would be 365 incidents, which is hardly endemic. And trust me, if a teacher is having sex with a student, eeeeeveryone's going to know (unless the child is REALLY young, like less than 12 years old, which is extraordinarily rare). If you can't go around high school without everyone knowing that whatsherface went down on the whole basketball team, you better believe something as big as a teacher having sex with a minor is going to get out. As for why teachers might have sex with their students, this is complicated psychology but I'm confident it has nothing to do with American society as a whole being sexually attracted to children. One possibility is that teaching is the sort of job that would attract people who are pedophiles, so the sample is already biased. Also, being around kids all day and developing a sort of love for them leaves some teachers confused about how to react to these feelings, especially if the teacher is crazy.
It's well documented that men are attracted to youth, but this is young as in late teens, early twenties (prime breeding age) and not young as in low teens or preteen. It is rare that older men are attracted to people that young. I've seen some evolutionary speculation that males developed a tendency to inseminate as many breeding-capable females as they could. Females, on the other hand, developed a tendency to lock a male down to help her while she's pregnant, etc. I don't know how large the age disparity was between your friends and their sexual partners, but I'm guessing it wasn't more than five or six years, which to me is quite inappropriate, but to others is borderline. I'm also guessing the underage girls involved were 16- or 17-years-old and not 13- or 14-years-old.
I just really don't get how you concluded that Americans all want underage sex.
I didn't conclude anything, I said it was my hypothesis/theory. On top of that, the theory isn't that adults want underage sex (I'll admit my title was misleading, but it got a hell of a lot of people to click on it), simply that they're attracted to attributes that, until the recent past (that being the last few thousand years), would have been only found in children, which may indicate some kind of hidden evolutionary urge to have sex with people who are well under the age of 18. I'll be the first to admit that the points in my OP were circumstantial at best, but to simply wipe away said evidence is to turn a complete blind eye to the entire sexual culture in America.
FWIW, I think you're wrong about long legs being an attribute of adult females: it's actually young females who have disproportionately long legs compared to adults (due to narrower hips).
Also, I picked up a copy of Barely Legal (the magazine) a while back, and trust me, the target market of that magazine was NOT young males. It was the creepiest text in any porno mag I've ever seen, clearly aimed at old men. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barely_Legal_%28magazine%29):
These profiles tend to pander to the readers' fantasies by portraying the models as somewhat naive and sexually inexperienced, but curious and eager to start satisfying their sexual appetites, especially with the older men who make up the main demographic of the magazine, now that they have reached the age of consent.
I mean seriously, the magazine I read actually had (fictional) stories about implied-underage girls losing their virginity to old men. Maybe that's just that one particular magazine, but no way in hell was that magazine meant for 18-22 year olds.
As for the teacher-student thing: I disagree. If you look how long these relationships go on, and how they're discovered, it's really hard to make the claim that these things get out every time they happen. I'll agree with you: it's certainly not common. But I do think it might be a symptom of a larger issue.
Anyway this whole issue comes down to opinion, and one things for certain is that it's extremely unlikely that I'm 100% correct. However, to me, when I combine all of the little details, life stories and experiences, etc, into one overall picture of human sexuality, it appears (once again: to me) that some of the many details we analyze when determining if someone is attractive are traits found only in children. Certainly not all: large breasts, strong upper bodies (in men) and so on. But, the parts that are child-like cause me to wonder if we're wired to start being attracted to the opposite sex even when they're at a young age. I mean, when you were 12 you probably had sexual thoughts about your classmates and whatnot. So what's changed? You were attracted to 11 year olds then, so did you're brain cleans itself between then and now? I don't think it does.
Do you want to be a psychologist when you grow up??? What you say is too easy.
I already have a lucrative career in a completely different field.
What was the point of your post again? All I proposed was an idea, requested feedback, attempted to defend my theory in order to flesh out more flaws in it (pointed out by the people who made reasonable replies), repeat.
Well then, what do you think about yer theory, after all???? Does it hold?
For one, I think I blurred the line between attraction to underage ( < 18 ) and pre-pubescent too much, as a half of my points were about pre-pubescent and the other half only under 18, and while they may be under the same "theme", if you will, they're not really the same issue, or at least there's no real crossover between the two.
Some people pointed out some reasonably reasons for attraction to shaven beards (I think the symbolism to being a civilized/sophisticated man is a pretty good reason). Hair being seen as masculine is another good point (certainly might not have been in the past, but in modern culture it could quite easily be so).
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I don't know about all of you, but I have an obsession with Richard the III sex! I mean, what a god-awful heap of old hairy cellulite that must be!
Now that's Old Testament sexy!
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Sorry Richard 3, I just felt like lashing out irrationally in the previous message. Good times; good times.
Anyway, back at the ranch...
Men shave their face, for one, because women's (and men's) skin, in this modern bath-a-day age can be very sensitive to whisker burn. Facial hair also tends to be fad related and it's been shown that people WITH beards are generally perceived to be less trustworthy. Hair, even if it's relatively clean, is also closely correlated to body odor. And in this bath-a-day world, we're not all too accustomed to strong body odors. Additionally, shaving (or trimming) pubic hair uncovers and draws attention to genitalia -- something that is rather natural in mammals regardless of their particular bent on prepubescence.
Shaving of the public and pit regions started as a way to 'ensure' that prostitutes were free of lice or crabs or something like that -- *not* because of some lice-fronted conspiratorial group wanting to bang underage girls and thus scapegoated common parasites for their nefarious purpose.
It's been suggested by some body of folks In The Know (I can't find my reference, sorry) that the public region shaving = underage fantasy cry is often more an act of projection than any kind of diagnostic tool of a person's particular perversion. (Think about recently caught conservative legislators calling for strict child protection law while they engage in pederasty.) A real determination of the original posters claims would be best determined by a professional and in no way represents The Truth about modern body hair practices.
But I still would like to know ... Does the amount of hair make a difference? If I like SOME hair -- like a landing strip or a triangle or a little tuft of hair -- am I now less of a wanna-be pedophile? At what point is safe? Does there have to be a thick black afro-like padded forest? Is the size of the public hair region important? Is it all about exposing the labia or something that makes it suddenly "proof" that we're all, as a society, seeking underagers? If I like to shave because it makes me happy, am I now suddenly, in your professional opinion, suffering from some Peter Pan syndrome, never wanting to grow up?
Regardless, I'm just tickled pink (pun intended) that I got to work the word 'labia' into a post this evening.
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That avatar is insane.
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I like chiseled masculine features and facial stubble. That's probably my preference but they don't seem to be into me as much as the really young-looking twinky boy types and they're appealing in their own way. I have flexible tastes. There are plenty of guys in the 20-30 range that have that look so no point in stressing over jail bait.
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Am I the only one who has noticed we're well into page 4 and no pics of underage girls. What's this board coming to?
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Usenet is full of them.
Even in completely unrelated topics.
That's why I don't use Usenet anymore. I won't let those bastards get rid of me that easily!
The government decides what is harmless. The government decides what is beautiful. The government decides what is profound.
There are yottabytes of free porn out there, so if you sign up for a paid site what you're doing is legally protecting yourself from the possibility that one of the pics or vids might be underage. Because the feds hardly differentiate between accidentally stumbling into a picture and child murder anymore. If you don't get killed in prison, you won't have much of a life when you get out...
Back in the Soviet Union, people weren't as afraid of their government as I am afraid of the American government, especially because you know you can't count on incompetence and can't plead or bribe your way out of trouble... Non-political first-offense murderers who acted repentant only got 15 years... Here, some guy just got 200 years for 20 pics (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN3034892420070226)!
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This thread actually reminds me of that Stacey's Mom music video...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/v/e9gimX15idc[/youtube]
... and the controversy involved in how the videographer portrayed the young girl character in the music video.
Alternate link ... http://www.youtube.com/v/e9gimX15idc (http://www.youtube.com/v/e9gimX15idc)
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Am I the only one who has noticed we're well into page 4 and no pics of underage girls. What's this board coming to?
Like this? :lol:
(http://pics.obra.se/jailbait.jpg)
More here:
http://images.google.com/images?q=jailbait
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Classic!
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e274/zpower240/jailbait.jpg)
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maybe people mentally see themselves as young and therefore are attracted to the teenage population?
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maybe people mentally see themselves as young and therefore are attracted to the teenage population?
and the teenagers see themselves as adults so hard to say
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Am I the only one who has noticed we're well into page 4 and no pics of underage girls. What's this board coming to?
Like this? :lol:
(http://pics.obra.se/jailbait.jpg)
More here:
http://images.google.com/images?q=jailbait
Mmmm...
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They're "cute" but still too fucking annoying!
-- Brede
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They're "cute" but still too fucking annoying!
-- Brede
What would you know about it?
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They're "cute" but still too fucking annoying!
-- Brede
What would you know about it?
You don't have to spend time around them to figure that out...
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They may be cute, in a little girlish way, but women aren't really very good until they reach at least thirty.
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They're "cute" but still too fucking annoying!
-- Brede
What would you know about it?
You don't have to spend time around them to figure that out...
Unless for some reason, you're wanting your brain to explode.
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They're "cute" but still too fucking annoying!
-- Brede
What would you know about it?
I work at a grocery store, so I have to deal with teenagers all the time, especially the squeaky annoying ones. X_x They're "cute" but really psychotically annoying.
-- Brede
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They may be cute, in a little girlish way, but women aren't really very good until they reach at least thirty.
Oddly, that's what I've figured. ^_^ Especially the really cute ones get better with age and love to talk and stuff, not treating me like some evil monster because I'm transgendered. ^_^
-- Brede
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Younger people lack the switch in their brains that tells them to maintain a certain level of decorum while in public. :x
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Younger people lack the switch in their brains that tells them to maintain a certain level of decorum while in public. :x
So do hideously ugly people.
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Younger people lack the switch in their brains that tells them to maintain a certain level of decorum while in public. :x
So do hideously ugly people.
No, hideously ugly people force the rest of us to react with a lack of tact because we can't help but make awful faces when we look at them. :P
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Younger people lack the switch in their brains that tells them to maintain a certain level of decorum while in public. :x
So do hideously ugly people.
No, hideously ugly people force the rest of us to react with a lack of tact because we can't help but make awful faces when we look at them. :P
Yeah, whatever, its early, I still have bedhead and I havent really gotten up yet.
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They're "cute" but still too fucking annoying!
-- Brede
What would you know about it?
lol! Really! Manlady is thinking to itself: "Why don't they get surgery to remove those pesky breasts?"
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They may be cute, in a little girlish way, but women aren't really very good until they reach at least thirty.
Oddly, that's what I've figured. ^_^ Especially the really cute ones get better with age and love to talk and stuff, not treating me like some evil monster because I'm transgendered. ^_^
-- Brede
Well, you may not be evil, but you ARE a monster, I mean, come on.
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I wonder if he has to try and be such a fuckin moron, or is it a gift?
I'll tell ya what, unit. I sit with all sorts of people, shoot the shit and enjoy a beer or twelve. I could easily sit for an hour or two with her, make stupid small talk and be somewhat entertaining on my part, she'd probly grow weary of the cigarette smoke and then eventually leave.
You're from a universe where I dislike the creatures. I'm used to assholes, because I am one. I would guarantee within five minutes, I'd be searching for a reason to vamoose and if I was hammered enough, I'd probably tell you flat out I can't stand sitting next to such a shit licker.
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I wonder if he has to try and be such a fuckin moron, or is it a gift?
I'll tell ya what, unit. I sit with all sorts of people, shoot the shit and enjoy a beer or twelve. I could easily sit for an hour or two with her, make stupid small talk and be somewhat entertaining on my part, she'd probly grow weary of the cigarette smoke and then eventually leave.
You're from a universe where I dislike the creatures. I'm used to assholes, because I am one. I would guarantee within five minutes, I'd be searching for a reason to vamoose and if I was hammered enough, I'd probably tell you flat out I can't stand sitting next to such a shit licker.
^^^^^^
Ditto.
You fucker, Brasky, I've had a few drinks and spent way too long trying to smash that goddamn bug into my screen.
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I wonder if he has to try and be such a fuckin moron, or is it a gift?
I'll tell ya what, unit. I sit with all sorts of people, shoot the shit and enjoy a beer or twelve. I could easily sit for an hour or two with her, make stupid small talk and be somewhat entertaining on my part, she'd probly grow weary of the cigarette smoke and then eventually leave.
You're from a universe where I dislike the creatures. I'm used to assholes, because I am one. I would guarantee within five minutes, I'd be searching for a reason to vamoose and if I was hammered enough, I'd probably tell you flat out I can't stand sitting next to such a shit licker.
^^^^^^
Ditto.
You fucker, Brasky, I've had a few drinks and spent way too long trying to smash that goddamn bug into my screen.
ROFL. I wish I could have video of you doing that.
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I wonder if he has to try and be such a fuckin moron, or is it a gift?
I'll tell ya what, unit. I sit with all sorts of people, shoot the shit and enjoy a beer or twelve. I could easily sit for an hour or two with her, make stupid small talk and be somewhat entertaining on my part, she'd probly grow weary of the cigarette smoke and then eventually leave.
You're from a universe where I dislike the creatures. I'm used to assholes, because I am one. I would guarantee within five minutes, I'd be searching for a reason to vamoose and if I was hammered enough, I'd probably tell you flat out I can't stand sitting next to such a shit licker.
You fucker, Brasky, I've had a few drinks and spent way too long trying to smash that goddamn bug into my screen.
that got me for a second too....
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I wonder if he has to try and be such a fuckin moron, or is it a gift?
I'll tell ya what, unit. I sit with all sorts of people, shoot the shit and enjoy a beer or twelve. I could easily sit for an hour or two with her, make stupid small talk and be somewhat entertaining on my part, she'd probly grow weary of the cigarette smoke and then eventually leave.
You're from a universe where I dislike the creatures. I'm used to assholes, because I am one. I would guarantee within five minutes, I'd be searching for a reason to vamoose and if I was hammered enough, I'd probably tell you flat out I can't stand sitting next to such a shit licker.
^^^^^^
Ditto.
You fucker, Brasky, I've had a few drinks and spent way too long trying to smash that goddamn bug into my screen.
ROFL. I wish I could have video of you doing that.
The only videos of me are a sight bit dirtier.
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I wonder if he has to try and be such a fuckin moron, or is it a gift?
I'll tell ya what, unit. I sit with all sorts of people, shoot the shit and enjoy a beer or twelve. I could easily sit for an hour or two with her, make stupid small talk and be somewhat entertaining on my part, she'd probly grow weary of the cigarette smoke and then eventually leave.
You're from a universe where I dislike the creatures. I'm used to assholes, because I am one. I would guarantee within five minutes, I'd be searching for a reason to vamoose and if I was hammered enough, I'd probably tell you flat out I can't stand sitting next to such a shit licker.
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Ditto.
You fucker, Brasky, I've had a few drinks and spent way too long trying to smash that goddamn bug into my screen.
ROFL. I wish I could have video of you doing that.
The only videos of me are a sight bit dirtier.
I'll take those too.
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I wonder if he has to try and be such a fuckin moron, or is it a gift?
I'll tell ya what, unit. I sit with all sorts of people, shoot the shit and enjoy a beer or twelve. I could easily sit for an hour or two with her, make stupid small talk and be somewhat entertaining on my part, she'd probly grow weary of the cigarette smoke and then eventually leave.
You're from a universe where I dislike the creatures. I'm used to assholes, because I am one. I would guarantee within five minutes, I'd be searching for a reason to vamoose and if I was hammered enough, I'd probably tell you flat out I can't stand sitting next to such a shit licker.
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Ditto.
You fucker, Brasky, I've had a few drinks and spent way too long trying to smash that goddamn bug into my screen.
ROFL. I wish I could have video of you doing that.
The only videos of me are a sight bit dirtier.
I'll take those too.
Not for free you won't.
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What's the fee?
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What's the fee?
Hmm. You doing whatever I say.
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What's the fee?
Hmm. You doing whatever I say.
We shall see.
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What's the fee?
Hmm. You doing whatever I say.
We shall see.
You're a bad negotiator. Ill help ya. Select things I say.
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What's the fee?
Hmm. You doing whatever I say.
We shall see.
You're a bad negotiator. Ill help ya. Select things I say.
It depends on whether or not I want to do what you say. :P
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What's the fee?
Hmm. You doing whatever I say.
We shall see.
You're a bad negotiator. Ill help ya. Select things I say.
It depends on whether or not I want to do what you say. :P
I think you will beg to.
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Jay has been rendered speechless. :lol:
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Jay has been rendered speechless. :lol:
Well, when your mouth is full, you will be too.
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
:shock:
I don't do that stuff.
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
:shock:
I don't do that stuff.
You don't masturbate? Fail.
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
:shock:
I don't do that stuff.
You don't masturbate? Fail.
Oh is that what you think?
Poor, misguided girl, lemme show you somethin...
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
:shock:
I don't do that stuff.
You don't masturbate? Fail.
Oh is that what you think?
Poor, misguided girl, lemme show you somethin...
You said I couldn't see the video!
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
:shock:
I don't do that stuff.
You don't masturbate? Fail.
Oh is that what you think?
Poor, misguided girl, lemme show you somethin...
You said I couldn't see the video!
I said for a small fee.
Give me a reason to shoot it.
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
:shock:
I don't do that stuff.
You don't masturbate? Fail.
Oh is that what you think?
Poor, misguided girl, lemme show you somethin...
You said I couldn't see the video!
I said for a small fee.
Give me a reason to shoot it.
Was that double entendre intentional?
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Wow. Somebody's in a mood tonight. :lol:
Whatever do you mean?
Nothing. I just also wouldn't be surprised if your dick was in your hand right now. :P
:shock:
I don't do that stuff.
You don't masturbate? Fail.
Oh is that what you think?
Poor, misguided girl, lemme show you somethin...
You said I couldn't see the video!
I said for a small fee.
Give me a reason to shoot it.
Was that double entendre intentional?
Bet your ass.
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Just making sure you're on the ball.
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Just making sure you're on the ball.
Thats not a reason.
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Oh just tell me what you want me to do. :lol:
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Oh just tell me what you want me to do. :lol:
Just get off to it as you would any porn.
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I never actually get off while I'm watching the porn. I just use it to get turned on, and then I pull out the toys.
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I never actually get off while I'm watching the porn. I just use it to get turned on, and then I pull out the toys.
That works too.
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I have no idea why I shared that.
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I have no idea why I shared that.
Because you're trying to get somethin outta me.
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You don't need me to do things.
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You don't need me to do things.
That has a double meaning as well.
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Well, I guess it does. But I really didn't mean it to.
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Lindsey must have the world record for keeping the most cocks hard without showing any skin.
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Lindsey must have the world record for keeping the most cocks hard without showing any skin.
You never noticed before?
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I Hate Older Men (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0025,guichard,15827,1.html)
Lay Off Me! I'm a Boy, Not Your Toy, and I Want To Be With Another Boy
by Philip Guichard
(http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0025/guichard.jpg)
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I Hate Older Men (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0025,guichard,15827,1.html)
Lay Off Me! I'm a Boy, Not Your Toy, and I Want To Be With Another Boy
by Philip Guichard
Gee.....switch the pronouns around, and pretty much everything in that essay could've been written by a girl about older men.
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:) Hi guys! I'm new here so please be gentle with me. Haven't we got off the subject here? I.e sex with young girls! The USA isn't the only place. The obsession is universal. Here in the United Kingdom it's become something of a witch hunt. For instance I'm an artist who depicts elves and fairies subjects (Do not laugh. That's what earns my daily bread!) and I frequently work with girls of 11 to 13 years old because they're perfect for my work. Personally I find that age group graceful (like young somewhat awkward gazelles) and charming. They inject an innocence into my work which I love. Sadly, in this poor benighted realm that sometimes brands me as a peodophile (?) by certain morally correct citizens. I've even been visited by the police and accused of corrupting minors. (Quickly followed by an abject written apology by the same guardians of the law after I dared fight back!) That said, it is a sad reality that some freaks do have an unhealthy interest in young girls. The question is what do we do to stop them tarring the rest of us with the same brush?
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Ahuh.
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We're sorray, Govn'a!