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Re: America's Obsession with Underage Sex
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2007, 04:30:28 PM »

Folks who can't control themselves love the idea of a larger entity taking over for 'em... even if it means controlling folks who have no such problems.


Exactly, that's the whole problem. I don't care if some one means to deserve a "higher entity" controlling his actions. Just make a contract with a controlling agency or somewhat. But let government out of the game. If you need control for yourselves, fine but I don't.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2007, 04:31:05 PM »

Define "underage sex" without resorting to the arbitrary whims of bureaucrats or personal opinion, please. Because the concept as presented in this thread appears useless.

I thought I was being quite clear because I was using the terms "pre-pubescent" and "post-pubescent", but ok.

Underage: Under the age of being a legal adult.  That would be 18 in the U.S.  That's the age that everyone pretends they don't find people younger than attractive despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

As I think you're alluding to, there is no such thing as being "underage" for sex, it's just a legal fiction.  That's why I tried to use puberty as a metric instead of age (although the title used that term because of the way people pretend that anything under 18 is sexually undesirable, even though they act the opposite).   You also might note that I wasn't implying that people finding people under 18 attractive are pedophiliac (because they aren't: you aren't a pedophile if you're attracted to post-pubescent minors), rather that people who find the features of a child on a person of ANY age attractive might be hiding a primal tendency from themselves.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2007, 04:36:17 PM »

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Given that I know *personally* a number of people who've (consentually, of course) banged high school chicks when they themselves were in their 20s, it seems like it's happening all over the place, in parties on every campus.
You can add me to that list  :wink:  8)

As far as I can tell (obviously I only talk about this with close friends or anonymous internet folk), pretty much everyone acknowledges that it's the norm for underage high school girls to show up at college parties and for the college dudes to sleep with them without anyone (at the parties) having a problem with it.

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2007, 04:36:57 PM »

Yes, certainly there are practical, hygienic reasons for shaving.  But I'm not particularly interested in why we shave, I'm more concerned with why being shaved is more attractive, generally, than a beard or unshaven face, given that up until recently (maybe last 2000 years or so but I'm not a historian so that's just a guess) it wasn't even possible to shave.
Actually it was common for folks to shave even in the past, but it was a habit that was painful as you had knives or primitive razors, or just pumice (shells and stones) to rub away the facial hair.

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Even in ancient Greece, a civilization about 2000 years old, facial hair in sculpture was used as an age indicator.  Statues without it are supposed to represent young men, and statues with it are supposed to represent old men.  Facial hair has been used as an age indicator for probably as long as humans have been around.  But for some reason, modern culture has promoted the idea that the facial hair (or lack of it) of a prepubescent is more attractive than the facial hair of an adult.  That's all.
Culturally, maybe, but individually, not so. I find I like clean shaven since it looks just plain human compared to a bearded savage. To me, shaving means you got the time and the money to do so, and that's what I like. A civilized human not a savage. So, it's not an age thing for me, it's a techno-economic centric thing for me. I hate kids, except my nieces and nephew. :3

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Yup.  I think teens in general are kind of dumb an annoying (after all, their only previous life experience is being a child, so what can you expect?) without regard to their schooling.  And I'm certain, beyond any reasonable doubt, that men are wired to start being attracted to any female post-puberty, regardless of age: Nature doesn't keep track of numbers.
QFT, but also another thing. To be honest, I find many of these annoy teenagers grow up to be annoying adults with the same infantile "GIMMEH GIMMEH GIMMEH" attitude, then it seems when they have their own spawn, they just impress it on their kids to a greater degree. Thus, it becomes a self-referencing sort of effect. It just keeps going until either the productive folks say fuck with this shit or the system collapses from the lack of any productive folks left around to maintain it.


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Re: America's Obsession with Underage Sex
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2007, 08:04:41 PM »

Well, I like my beard. My ex made me shave the mustache part for kissing purposes, which I thought was weird, given how little she actually wanted to kiss me. I wear a beard because I have a weak chin, and without it I look like a 13 year old chinless mutant. I only have a goatee now, but I have had a full beard too. I haven't shaved my chin in years. I use a razor to shave around it and a trimmer to keep it neat. Chicks seem to dig it.

As for "down there" lets just say I keep things under control. I like a clean shave on the girl parts (that way nothing tickles your nose or gets caught in your teeth), but honestly, a huge bush of untamed pubes beats stubble any day. A 5 o'clock shadow is not cool on your genitals. Aesthetically, it looks better to me to see a hairless female body. You can appreciate her form and the smooth softness of her skin. I think for me, body hair is not so much adult as masculine, so less of it is better on a woman.

Anyway, I will be the first to admit, I like younger women. My current girlfriend is 7 years younger than me, and has only been legally able to drink for a year and a half. She keeps asking me if I'll dump her for a high school girl.  :P
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2007, 08:50:52 PM »

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Underage: Under the age of being a legal adult.  That would be 18 in the U.S.  That's the age that everyone pretends they don't find people younger than attractive despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.


That is kinda funny.
"Wow, did that chick just turn hot?"
"Yeah, it's her 18th birthday."
"Oh..."

A friend of mine bumped uglies with a hot 14 year old when he was 19, though she told him she was 18... and looked the part.
I gotta say, if I'd had the opportunity I probably would have hit it, too.
Sometimes it's not so bad, being the sidekick.
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Re: America's Obsession with Underage Sex
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2007, 09:23:37 PM »

I got darn close to doin' the job with a 13 year old when I was 17.  I got an anonymous tip-off from a guy who knew her that she was not actually 16, like she told me. I almost went ahead with it (I wouldn't have been the first), but decided against it. It just kind of creeped me out. Later the same year, I had a 14 year old go out with me just because she wanted to lose her virginity. When I wouldn't do it (again, I just felt creepy about it), she got mad, dumped me, and told everyone I was probably gay. Now, shes an angry patchouli stinking armpit hair having ultra feminist hippie chick. Probably a lesbian too. :?
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2007, 10:06:52 PM »

I had a similar thing happen when I was 17 maybe 18, working at a gas station.  This cutie always used to walk through, accompanied by the cute-chicks friend, which always sucks.  I'd give them cigs and shit, they were vague about their age, but the cutie looked about 16.  Didn't really care about the friend, she needed to be on a leash.  Anyhow, one day she comes by alone, and I leave work with her in the passenger seat. 

So, we go parkin' in one of the usual spots, seats folded back, summertime.  If you've never felt a cherry, its odd when you don't expect it.  So, I ask "are you a virgin?"  she says Yeah.  I ask how old she really is, because the only clue I had was her mentioning getting her drivers license soon.  She's 14.  Which was also probably bullshit.

Voomp!  Up come the seats, take her back home, seeya.  She was cute, though.  If she looked like that at 14, she was either a serious fuck-doll at 21, or completely skagged up.  I'm guessing she probably remained hot, because she was pretty bubbly, kinda like a cheerleader - except for the wet crotch. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2007, 10:28:28 PM »

Actually I like just clean shaven because it's clean shaven. Not because it looks younger. In fact, I have a distain for barely legal porn.

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2007, 10:30:55 PM »

As far as being underage goes, I looked pretty much like I do now when I was twelve.  I was thinner, but the proportions were the same.  I had a period by nine years old, and boobs by ten.  I lost my virginity at twelve. 

Shaving:  I like to be as hair-free as possible.  I will not, however shave my legs and my nether regions on a daily basis unless someone is seeing them. 

Everybody likes something different.  What ever floats your boat. 
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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2007, 11:55:20 PM »

As far as being underage goes, I looked pretty much like I do now when I was twelve.  I was thinner, but the proportions were the same.  I had a period by nine years old, and boobs by ten.  I lost my virginity at twelve. 

Shaving:  I like to be as hair-free as possible.  I will not, however shave my legs and my nether regions on a daily basis unless someone is seeing them. 

Everybody likes something different.  What ever floats your boat. 

Uhhhhhhh no one wants to hear your life story. Just get to the sex part.
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2007, 12:05:39 AM »

Umm... I'm barely overage and I'm not at all attracted to underage ladies (which I'm going to say is 15 and under since some 16 or 17 year olds can look older than they are).

As for the shaving thing... no.  Remember that in the 19th century it was in style for all men to have full beards.  What changed that-- a public obsession with youth?  Try again.  It was the sanitary movement.  Once men realized that disease came from germs and not miasma, they shaved their beards off because it was more sanitary.  Not because they wanted to have sex with prepubescent girls, but because they wanted to live longer.
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2007, 12:39:42 AM »

Umm... I'm barely overage and I'm not at all attracted to underage ladies (which I'm going to say is 15 and under since some 16 or 17 year olds can look older than they are).

As for the shaving thing... no.  Remember that in the 19th century it was in style for all men to have full beards.  What changed that-- a public obsession with youth?  Try again.  It was the sanitary movement.  Once men realized that disease came from germs and not miasma, they shaved their beards off because it was more sanitary.  Not because they wanted to have sex with prepubescent girls, but because they wanted to live longer.

That's retarded. I'm not dirty because I have a beard.
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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2007, 12:41:54 AM »

... I didn't say you are dirty because you have a beard.  However, beards are less sanitary than clean shaven faces.  I'm sure you wash your beard.  Men in the 19th century... not so often.

That's an important difference.  Enjoy your beard.  There is nothing wrong with having facial hair.
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2007, 07:27:15 AM »

Umm... I'm barely overage and I'm not at all attracted to underage ladies (which I'm going to say is 15 and under since some 16 or 17 year olds can look older than they are).

As for the shaving thing... no.  Remember that in the 19th century it was in style for all men to have full beards.  What changed that-- a public obsession with youth?  Try again.  It was the sanitary movement.  Once men realized that disease came from germs and not miasma, they shaved their beards off because it was more sanitary.  Not because they wanted to have sex with prepubescent girls, but because they wanted to live longer.

I'm not trying to argue about the sanitary or practical reasons for shaving, obviously there are many.  Quite honestly, it doesn't matter to me what reasons *men* shave their face.  What I'm more interested in is why *women* find the lack of facial hair *on men* generally more attractive than beards.  And I don't buy the whole "it's cleaner" crap, because beards are not dirty, not in an age of a bath-a-day (unlike the 19th century, where bathes were less frequent).

At any rate, the whole beard/no beard thing is not the crux of my proposition, there are plenty of other factors that I discussed.  Don't get me wrong though, I think you're right, there are reasons from the male point of view to shave.  But that doesn't address the issue of attraction from women to shaved men, unless they're attracted to practicalness.    And of course, bearded men have no problem picking up women, so it's certainly not a requirement to be shaved to be attractive.
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