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All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:25:12 AM »

This is an article appeared on Loonwatch  January 2010.

All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t

CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”

Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes.  If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims.  It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”

But perception is not reality.  The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion.  On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005.

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Re: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 01:59:23 AM »

I looked at the data last time someone posted it, and the article cites facts only as convenient to their viewpoint.

I think the FBI definition of terrorism is a fair, and accurate one. Unfortunately, two major events skew the statistics badly; 9/11 and Waco. The Branch Davidians can hardly be blamed for being murdered at the hands of the ATF, and 9/11 was a freak incident.

 Under their definition, ecoterrorists are treated as terrorists, and when you compile the statistics, they do perform a lot of damage, in many separate incidents. They just don't kill that many people on purpose. When you factor in incidents where people were intentionally killed in terrorist incidents, minus 9/11, you would get a fair idea of the "level of danger" you would get from Muslim terrorists.

The article, by the way, is crap. They omit clear instances of terrorism, like the guy killed at the El Al ticket counter at LAX a few years back, and use fucktarded logic in making their graphs. In one graph, they randomly mix ethnic groups, with religions to make some point. That point is unclear because their data sucks.
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Re: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 03:49:10 AM »

So the FBI data sucks.  Sorry the graph doesn't validate your Islamophobia.

Mexican gangs have committed numerous acts of terrorism so have other gangs in the communities in which they operate. 

I agree that they have a valid point Islamophobia exaggerates the real threat level for political gain. 

Mexican gang terrorism would sharply decline should the drug war end they would lose funding. 

Islamic terrorism would sharply decline in the USA if we would modify our foreign policy.  Something which Ron Paul pointed out numerous times during his 2008 campaign.

I speculate that eco-terrorism would decline should Marijuana be legalized.  And building codes made less restrictive for sustainable style dwellings.   Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find land where you can actually build a cob house with solar panels. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 04:54:54 AM »

So the FBI data sucks.  Sorry the graph doesn't validate your Islamophobia.

Mexican gangs have committed numerous acts of terrorism so have other gangs in the communities in which they operate. 

I agree that they have a valid point Islamophobia exaggerates the real threat level for political gain. 

Mexican gang terrorism would sharply decline should the drug war end they would lose funding. 

Islamic terrorism would sharply decline in the USA if we would modify our foreign policy.  Something which Ron Paul pointed out numerous times during his 2008 campaign.

I speculate that eco-terrorism would decline should Marijuana be legalized.  And building codes made less restrictive for sustainable style dwellings.   Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find land where you can actually build a cob house with solar panels. 

No I think the FBI statistics are good. Its the article misrepresentation of them that sucks.

When have I said anything Islamaphobic? I don't know how you could have read that into me, as I have always reserved my opinion on Islam.

Don't confuse terms.

Gangs= Perform criminal acts

Terrorists= Perform attacks against civilians with the intent to frighten the population into political concession

Guerrillas= Perform attacks against military targets

If our military is fighting people in their own country, then by definition, they are not terrorists, but guerrillas.
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Re: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 11:03:56 AM »

So the FBI data sucks.  Sorry the graph doesn't validate your Islamophobia.

Mexican gangs have committed numerous acts of terrorism so have other gangs in the communities in which they operate. 

I agree that they have a valid point Islamophobia exaggerates the real threat level for political gain. 

Mexican gang terrorism would sharply decline should the drug war end they would lose funding. 

Islamic terrorism would sharply decline in the USA if we would modify our foreign policy.  Something which Ron Paul pointed out numerous times during his 2008 campaign.

I speculate that eco-terrorism would decline should Marijuana be legalized.  And building codes made less restrictive for sustainable style dwellings.   Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find land where you can actually build a cob house with solar panels. 

No I think the FBI statistics are good. Its the article misrepresentation of them that sucks.

When have I said anything Islamaphobic? I don't know how you could have read that into me, as I have always reserved my opinion on Islam.

Don't confuse terms.

Gangs= Perform criminal acts

Terrorists= Perform attacks against civilians with the intent to frighten the population into political concession

Guerrillas= Perform attacks against military targets

If our military is fighting people in their own country, then by definition, they are not terrorists, but guerrillas.


Mexican gangs have engaged in terrorism.  They have attacked civilians with the intent to frighten people into political concessions.  They have politicians on their payroll and have used terrorist tactics to keep those paid off politicians in power.  So there is a great deal of cross over between criminal activity and terrorist activity.  Granted it is much more prevalent in Mexico than in the USA.  Also there is La Raza a very racist organization.

So you buy the crap that an entire country is a military target so blowing up civilian areas is not terrorism.  Yeah right.   :roll:
Notice how that seems to only work in one direction.

And according to your definition the Fort Hood shootings by an American Muslim soldier should be classified as either a Guerrilla action or a Criminal action and not an act of terrorism.  It was on a military base and military targets were shot.  So why is it in many media reports classified as a terrorist act? 

The FBI should be aware of the different definitions as listed in constructing their data sets.   Again it shows that Islamic terrorism is an exaggerated threat hyped up by the media.  Other acts of terrorism do not receive the same level of media attention.  This warps the American perception of actual threats.  There is a link to the actual FBI report and a detailed list of every single one of the 318 acts of terrorism listed on that report.  It is a shame they stopped at 2005 because only 2 people were killed due to terrorist attacks during the 4 years following 9/11.  So far the USA government reaction to terrorism has caused more American deaths and devastated far more American families than all those killed by terrorism in the USA over the time period covered in the FBI report.  Maintaining this warped perception that any and all terrorism is actually worth the billions of dollars stolen out of the American economy is the real crime.

People need to realize that Homeland security is actually a 230,000 employee political force to keep them under the yoke of oppression.  It has nothing to do with security against terrorism and everything to do with the establishment of a police state.

 
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 11:10:30 AM »

6% is still a pretty high percentile for a radical extremist faction.

She's saying the percentage of terrorists who are muslim is 6%, not the other way around.

Which is pretty misleading because it's counting attacks of any magnitude on U.S. soil.

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 02:25:05 PM »

6% is still a pretty high percentile for a radical extremist faction.

She's saying the percentage of terrorists who are muslim is 6%, not the other way around.

Which is pretty misleading because it's counting attacks of any magnitude on U.S. soil.

Yup, so beheadings of Americans in foreign countries don't get counted. Dunno how that compares numerically to Muslims in America what with getting stabbed.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 02:35:05 PM »

So the FBI data sucks.  Sorry the graph doesn't validate your Islamophobia.

Mexican gangs have committed numerous acts of terrorism so have other gangs in the communities in which they operate. 

I agree that they have a valid point Islamophobia exaggerates the real threat level for political gain. 

Mexican gang terrorism would sharply decline should the drug war end they would lose funding. 

Islamic terrorism would sharply decline in the USA if we would modify our foreign policy.  Something which Ron Paul pointed out numerous times during his 2008 campaign.

I speculate that eco-terrorism would decline should Marijuana be legalized.  And building codes made less restrictive for sustainable style dwellings.   Do you have any idea how difficult it is to find land where you can actually build a cob house with solar panels. 

No I think the FBI statistics are good. Its the article misrepresentation of them that sucks.

When have I said anything Islamaphobic? I don't know how you could have read that into me, as I have always reserved my opinion on Islam.

Don't confuse terms.

Gangs= Perform criminal acts

Terrorists= Perform attacks against civilians with the intent to frighten the population into political concession

Guerrillas= Perform attacks against military targets

If our military is fighting people in their own country, then by definition, they are not terrorists, but guerrillas.


Mexican gangs have engaged in terrorism.  They have attacked civilians with the intent to frighten people into political concessions.  They have politicians on their payroll and have used terrorist tactics to keep those paid off politicians in power.  So there is a great deal of cross over between criminal activity and terrorist activity.  Granted it is much more prevalent in Mexico than in the USA.  Also there is La Raza a very racist organization.

So you buy the crap that an entire country is a military target so blowing up civilian areas is not terrorism.  Yeah right.   :roll:
Notice how that seems to only work in one direction.

And according to your definition the Fort Hood shootings by an American Muslim soldier should be classified as either a Guerrilla action or a Criminal action and not an act of terrorism.  It was on a military base and military targets were shot.  So why is it in many media reports classified as a terrorist act? 

The FBI should be aware of the different definitions as listed in constructing their data sets.   Again it shows that Islamic terrorism is an exaggerated threat hyped up by the media.  Other acts of terrorism do not receive the same level of media attention.  This warps the American perception of actual threats.  There is a link to the actual FBI report and a detailed list of every single one of the 318 acts of terrorism listed on that report.  It is a shame they stopped at 2005 because only 2 people were killed due to terrorist attacks during the 4 years following 9/11.  So far the USA government reaction to terrorism has caused more American deaths and devastated far more American families than all those killed by terrorism in the USA over the time period covered in the FBI report.  Maintaining this warped perception that any and all terrorism is actually worth the billions of dollars stolen out of the American economy is the real crime.

People need to realize that Homeland security is actually a 230,000 employee political force to keep them under the yoke of oppression.  It has nothing to do with security against terrorism and everything to do with the establishment of a police state.

 

I can concede that Mexican drug cartels can perform terrorist acts. Fine then. I don't understand what you said about an entire country being a military target.

I don't get what you said in the earlier post about marijuana. It may make sense to you in your own head,but unless you spell out the logic to the rest of us, it looks like a non-sequitur.

The media is stupid, and intellectually lazy. In reality the shootings at Fort Hood were not terrorism, but more likely a guerrilla attack. The fact that media reports called it terrorism does not make it so.

I basically agree with your last 2 paragraphs.
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Re: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 07:55:06 PM »

convenient your ''study'' counts only attacks on u.s. soil....
also ft. hood happened because a muslim was angry about being deployed overseas in a war fighting????.....
wait for it.........
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Re: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 08:01:35 PM »

Geez.. you could poke holes in this article all day..

94% aren't equals 6% are, or are at risk to be, or are suspected to be, etc. ?

I wonder...
- what percentage of American Buddhists are not terrorists?
- .. Catholics?
- .. Christians?
- .. Jews?

Anyone performed any studies about that? Has there even been any or enough cause to study terrorist statistics on any other religion besides Muslims?

Bah.. I don't think anyone here has said the majority of Muslims in America are terrorists. I'd say it's clear that's not the case.
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 10:05:29 PM »

“the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”



i agree completely.
it's mostly the ones that aren't americans.
usually here illegally.....or on visas....even a bunch that became citizens
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 10:14:29 PM »

“the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”



i agree completely.
it's mostly the ones that aren't americans.
usually here illegally.....or on visas....even a bunch that became citizens
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2010, 11:27:18 PM »

“the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”



i agree completely.
it's mostly the ones that aren't americans.
usually here illegally.....or on visas....even a bunch that became citizens

The logic thing......it doesn't work on some people.
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2010, 01:18:47 AM »

The marijuana comment about eco terrorist is that legalization of marijuana would address many of their complaints.  It is sustainable material doesn't require pesticides and many other eco friendly properties.  It was also a little bit of subtle humor.  I was inferring they would be high and wouldn't really be in much of a fighting mood.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2010, 11:54:25 AM »

the 6% speak much louder than the ''peaceful'' 94%

much louder.

fucking DYNAMITE louder.

bomb-belt wearing louder.
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