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the hermit

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Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« on: September 27, 2010, 12:44:07 AM »

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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2010, 08:15:39 AM »

Good comparison between Huxley and Orwell.  Could you post a link to the original for a bigger print which would be more readable.
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2010, 03:38:23 PM »

Never got around to Brave New World.  Downloading now.
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2010, 04:08:58 PM »

Good comparison between Huxley and Orwell.  Could you post a link to the original for a bigger print which would be more readable.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c1c6f6577680.jpg
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2010, 11:29:12 PM »

They're both right.
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 11:45:50 AM »

They're both right.

Elements of both are absolutely right.  Now the question is did they identify trends for their predictions.  Or where people in power using Orwell and Huxley as a blueprint for increasing their power.
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 10:23:50 PM »

They're both right.

Elements of both are absolutely right.  Now the question is did they identify trends for their predictions.  Or where people in power using Orwell and Huxley as a blueprint for increasing their power.

Really good question.

Does art imitate life or does life imitate art?  I think once we know the answer to that we'll find the answer to your question.

Lately, it seems life has been imitating art.  Look at all teh Sci-Fi stuff from the 50's and 60's and then look at all the technological advancements that have been made just this decade.  Also, i'm noticing that people who watch a lot of tv drama shows tend to have more drama in their life.
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2010, 12:35:04 PM »

Good comparison between Huxley and Orwell.  Could you post a link to the original for a bigger print which would be more readable.

hey libertylover....yeah i thought it was a good comparison too.....heres the link to the forum where there is a really interesting conversation going on about huxley and orwell...its where i got the little comic and thought i would share with you guys.  somebody said that huxley's society is for the rich and orwell's is for the poorer of nations.....

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread613562/pg1


one of the posters said....

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Huxley once said...

"There will be in the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it."

Which immediately reminds me of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uAiWFdoJDg&feature=player_embedded



how do we put youtube vids up in our posts?  the little youtube button doesnt work or im not doing it right?
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2010, 01:13:52 PM »

Yeah, claims "invalid youtube link."  Seems to have not been fixed (completely) after all.
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2010, 01:36:09 PM »

Huxley is right Orwell will be.
Phony pleasure won't work forever.

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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2010, 02:28:55 PM »

DISCLAIMER: I have been a huge Huxley fan since middle school. I read BNW on my own... then a bunch of his collections of essays. Great stuff. Some of it was kinda hot, too.

OP's thesis is 50% right.

Yes, Huxley better predicted the use of distraction as a means of "voluntary control". But BNW reads very sci-fi. The entire human race is fundamentally, physically changed (alphas, betas, etc)

However, Orwell's world subjectively feels to me a lot more like the reality we have. No we don't have a "ministry of information", but it's a more realistic picture of a world not so far from the real one we live in.

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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2010, 03:08:38 PM »

[youtube]4uAiWFdoJDg[/youtube] 
I really meant to watch that movie.  Maybe I can find a copy of, "My Dinner With Andre."
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2010, 04:02:16 PM »

http://btjunkie.org/torrent/My-Dinner-with-Andre-1981/3516dc891503ef4968ddfc7dcaac2c1355f04e47fb69

WRT youtube, looks like we're back to the previous method again.  I guess it made sense to try it.
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Re: Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2010, 08:20:12 PM »

[youtube]4uAiWFdoJDg[/youtube] 
I really meant to watch that movie.  Maybe I can find a copy of, "My Dinner With Andre."
One of my favorite movies of all time.
Saw it first on PBS. I was in High School and just discovering... erm, ergot alkaloids, if ya know what I mean. Affected me deeply. It's all so... Inconceivable!

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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2010, 08:24:08 PM »

Oh yeah, and NH is gonna be a "pocket of light"
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