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BenTucker

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #135 on: February 15, 2006, 09:19:01 PM »

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He very thoughtfully takes time to add his opinions to most everything expressed here.

I am sure it is a thoughtful use of his time but what he says in my opinion is inane...don't you think?
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bonerjoe

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #136 on: February 15, 2006, 10:23:56 PM »

YOU PEOPLE MAKE MY BRAIN OUCHIE.
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ladyattis

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #137 on: February 16, 2006, 09:25:39 AM »


SHUT UP.

don't you believe that everyone has an equal access opportunity right to express themselves so long as they are not infringing on the equal access opportunity rights of others (an individual common right to freedom of speech)?

Nope, it's not a common right. If I want to be published, I do what my editors says. But according to you, man must be enslaved to society and must abide by its rule. So, again PROVE that this is so.  I've asked countless times for you to prove your points. Provide evidence such as real world examples, economic theory, and some such. And I agree with Boner about shutting up because it seems you're fucking stupid and unable to answer my questions. You dodge questions, sir, and thus show your lack of moral character.

-- Bridget
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BenTucker

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #138 on: February 16, 2006, 09:34:25 AM »

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it's not a common right

in a public forum if someone else has the floor to speak I have no right to infringe upon that person's individual freedom of speech right (a common right) by shouting them down - in essence this is similar to two people can not stand in the same place at the same time else one is aggressing upon the other - it then is a justified use of force for the state to remove me for infringing upon the individual common rights of another.
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ladyattis

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #139 on: February 16, 2006, 11:20:21 AM »

in a public forum if someone else has the floor to speak I have no right to infringe upon that person's individual freedom of speech right (a common right) by shouting them down
Nope, it's not intrinsic. You decide to let the person speak because it's a matter of courtesy [AN OUGHT-BE, BUT NOT WILL-BE] or for other reasons. I could easily have a shotgun and blow your head off in public so I can be like Ash out of Evil Dead. *Groovy* What magical force, or rather rationalizing FARCE, do you have to stop me? An army? What if the other people think you're ass, and kill you before I do? You see, your argument hinges on rights being intrinsic, but you have not proven as such. So again...PROVE YOU HAVE RIGHTS INTRINSICALLY, IT IS NOT HARD FOR YOU TO FORMULATE A PROOF IF YOU TRY, BUT I DOUBT YOU WILL SINCE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE INTELLECTUAL FORTITUDE TO THINK OUT YOUR BOX.


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in essence this is similar to two people can not stand in the same place at the same time else one is aggressing upon the other
One could kill the other. What will your rights do then? In fact that is the reigning paradigm for the world at large. He who has the biggest stick or can buy the biggest stick wins. What you can't get over is the fact that your silly rights theory is fucked without rational beings and EGOISM, which would lead to private land ownership since it is rational for individuals to maintain their own parcel/space/domain rather than demanding others to do it for them through a ransom you call economic rent.

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it then is a justified use of force for the state to remove me for infringing upon the individual common rights of another.
Say who? Henry George? God? The Easter Bunny? What you don't get yet again is that rights do not come with your birth, they come with you assertion of force physical and mental. You have to assert the power[force] to have a right. If I never speak privately or publically, I never have used the freedom of speech right. Or if I never own any personal property, I may never use the freedom from unlawful searches and seizures. And if I do not live with other human beings, I will never assert any right what-so-ever throughout my life time. Because of that, rights are social rules and moral ought-bes, are dependent on two simple coefficients: the people that agree to abide by them and their means to detect the improvement of their lives with rights.

Also, the fact that you cherry pick quotes that have nothing to do with the debate, which is what proof do you have that you have rights intrinsic to your person as you have mass intrinsic to being made of matter, proves yet again you either do not know what you are talking about or are not unlike a muslim cleric that keeps saying, "But Muhhamed said..." over and over without any logical or rational conclusion or premises to lead you out of your forest of rationalizations.

As such, this will be my last post with you, Ben, since you cannot refute my argument at any front. You are an idealoge[sp?] and a tit!

-- Bridget
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BenTucker

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2006, 11:44:14 AM »

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this will be my last post with you

bye-bye
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ladyattis

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2006, 11:46:16 AM »

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this will be my last post with you

bye-bye

Dumbass troll.


-- Bridget
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rabidfurby

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2006, 11:55:41 AM »

in a public forum if someone else has the floor to speak I have no right to infringe upon that person's individual freedom of speech right (a common right) by shouting them down - in essence this is similar to two people can not stand in the same place at the same time else one is aggressing upon the other - it then is a justified use of force for the state to remove me for infringing upon the individual common rights of another.

Are you still going on about this individual common rights bullshit?

There is no such thing as a "public forum" - you're always on private property. If you're on your own property, you can say whatever the hell you want and tell others who are on your property to shut up. If you're on someone else's private property, they can say whatever the hell they want and tell anyone else who is on their property - including you - to shut up.
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fisher

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2006, 12:11:34 PM »

I own myself, so I am always on my private property.
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jamesway

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2006, 12:26:29 PM »

I own myself, so I am always on my private property.
well said.
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ladyattis

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2006, 12:28:58 PM »



That one is for Benny!

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BenTucker

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2006, 02:06:26 PM »

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There is no such thing as a "public forum" - you're always on private property

exactly the problem I have been describing...

if there weren't any "public space" (I prefer natural commons) then there literally is no place to stand without having to pay someone to exist violating your absolute right to your labor and thus there can be no right of self-ownership, no right to freedom of speech, etc.

I would call that a fuedal dystopia...

whereas the system I advocate for - since there is no purchase price to land and the economic rent is not the result of the labors of the land owner (unimproved land value) property rights to labor are absolute for ALL and the right of self-ownership is upheld for ALL...in other words equal liberty for the greatest number of people.

so rather than sharing the economic rent with your neighbors (and they with you), a simple lien is placed on your land value which becomes the collateral for backing a local currency which is distributed equally amongst community members in the form of a citizens dividend.
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BenTucker

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2006, 02:07:35 PM »

That one is for Benny!

bye-bye...don't let the door hit you in the arse!
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rabidfurby

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2006, 02:41:05 PM »

whereas the system I advocate for - since there is no purchase price to land and the economic rent is not the result of the labors of the land owner (unimproved land value) property rights to labor are absolute for ALL and the right of self-ownership is upheld for ALL...in other words equal liberty for the greatest number of people.

The system you are advocating is called communism. It does not work.
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BenTucker

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Re: Activism: how far would you go?
« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2006, 03:07:35 PM »

whereas the system I advocate for - since there is no purchase price to land and the economic rent is not the result of the labors of the land owner (unimproved land value) property rights to labor are absolute for ALL and the right of self-ownership is upheld for ALL...in other words equal liberty for the greatest number of people.

The system you are advocating is called communism. It does not work.

communism/socialism is generally thought to be the collective ownership of the means of production - land, labor, capital.

the system I am calling for is the logical extension of classical liberals' recognition of individual rights shared in common.

collectivism is based on group rights which requires permission to access/use collective property from all the other owners PRIOR to use...

individual rights shared in common has no such restrictions but only a judgement after access/use as to whether an individual's use violates the equal access/use rights of another.
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