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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #90 on: January 07, 2010, 01:37:46 PM »

tl;dr.  This is why I didn't waste too much time in the beginning.  What I said is very simple.  You want big harry argument with someone.  That would not be me.

So you said i was wrong and that i was a fail without reading what i said? You don't want to waste time reading, yet you've replied to my posts multiple times without saying anything of any real substance.

Your time must be really valuable. You're definitely not wasting it with what you're doing.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #91 on: January 07, 2010, 02:05:09 PM »

People who think you need religion to be a good person scare me.  They must think that w/o their religion they wouldn't be, which makes me think they're not.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #92 on: January 07, 2010, 02:39:28 PM »

tl;dr.  This is why I didn't waste too much time in the beginning.  What I said is very simple.  You want big harry argument with someone.  That would not be me.

So you said i was wrong and that i was a fail without reading what i said? You don't want to waste time reading, yet you've come back multiple times to pretty much just swing your dick without saying anything of substance.

Your time must be really valuable. You're definitely not wasting it with what you're doing.

I never claimed one's conscience was tied to Jewish rituals.  I never even pointed to a religion.  I responded to the universality of "basic rules of action;" things like "don't kill," "don't steal," "don't lie about people."  You went right into Jewish law and equated that with conscience, and I stopped reading, and told you you're free to be wrong with your silly straw-man argument.  Your problem may be that you're one of the sociopaths.

I'm not the Christo-fascist you're looking to attack.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2010, 02:14:57 PM »

People who think you need religion to be a good person scare me.  They must think that w/o their religion they wouldn't be, which makes me think they're not.

Yes, that really bugs me, too.

"We need religion!"
"You mean you would be evil without a fear of hell?"
"No, not for me, for the other people!"

Same rationalization as for the State. There must be laws to restrain other people from doing evil.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #94 on: January 08, 2010, 06:50:00 PM »

tl;dr.  This is why I didn't waste too much time in the beginning.  What I said is very simple.  You want big harry argument with someone.  That would not be me.

So you said i was wrong and that i was a fail without reading what i said? You don't want to waste time reading, yet you've come back multiple times to pretty much just swing your dick without saying anything of substance.

Your time must be really valuable. You're definitely not wasting it with what you're doing.

I never claimed one's conscience was tied to Jewish rituals.  I never even pointed to a religion.  I responded to the universality of "basic rules of action;" things like "don't kill," "don't steal," "don't lie about people."  You went right into Jewish law and equated that with conscience, and I stopped reading, and told you you're free to be wrong with your silly straw-man argument.  Your problem may be that you're one of the sociopaths.

I'm not the Christo-fascist you're looking to attack.

I never attacked you about being a supporter of judeo-christo-muslim god, I attacked you for the idea that we all get ethics from the same place, and I went on to rail against the most commonly accepted definition of "creator" as immoral.

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If you're talking about the judeo-christo-muslim abrahamic god, I definately DO NOT get my conscience from him.

Since you didn't mention which creator, I made the rational assumption that you mean the same one over 3 billion people mean when they say creator. I attacked the idea because its a bad idea, and because there are people on this board who DO believe in that god, whether you do or not, and since 3 billion people also believe in that god, I think its important to point out how despicable that set of ethics is, particularly in a thread about where ethics come from.

I attacked your belief that we all get the same ethics from a creator, and i attacked judeo christo ethics entirely separately.

What followed was a detailed break down of what ethics are, and how they are a product of biological, cultural and personal evolution.

Everything else I said still stands. Its still fucking ridiculous to believe even 75% of people have the same ethics, let alone everyone. And the weight of evidence I suggested that ethics are evolved, not given by a "creator".

Since you now seem to be interested in discussing your beliefs, heres some questions

1. When did the creator give us our conscience? Was it 100,000 years ago when the first humans speciated?
2. Wheres the evidence a creator gave humans a conscience?
3. How do you explain the billions of people who have different ethical views on sex, gender, crime,justice, eating meat, etc.
4. Explain how ethical views on sex, gender, crime and justice have changed massively over the last 6000 years, if we all get them from the sane creator.


A few examples would be how women where considered second class, how it wasnt considered possible to rape your own wife, how a huge percentage of the earths population was okay with owning slaves.

We're talking about hundreds of millions of people, so it can't be just sociopaths, and there are way too many disparate views on ethics for everyone to get their conscience from a single creator.

Obviously ethics/conscience/whatever you want to call it doesn't come from a single source, and obviously looking back on human history its something that has changed massively.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #95 on: January 08, 2010, 08:33:40 PM »

Ay.. you're neglecting your IDM thread.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2010, 07:06:22 PM »

Everything I said stands.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #97 on: January 09, 2010, 09:35:38 PM »

Everything I said stands.


all 7 lines of it?

All you've said is

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In short, we all get the same conscience from our creator (except sociopaths, who seem just as likely to be theist as atheist.)  Some just don't recognize the source.
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You're entitled to be wrong.
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Your response was so long-winded and out in left-field, I'm happy just to let you be wrong and not wig out and call you an idiot.
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tl;dr.  This is why I didn't waste too much time in the beginning.  What I said is very simple.  You want big harry argument with someone.  That would not be me.

Nothing in there backs up your claim. You claim you don't want to debate it, and then you repeatedly come back to post and tell me that I'm wrong and you're right.

hint : it doesn't mean anything if you tell people they're wrong without telling them why.

You don't get to take the intellectual high ground, and tell people they're wrong and you don't want to talk about it, its one or the other.

 you haven't even attempted to refute a single point I've made (unless you count YOU'RE WRONG), and you haven't done anything to back up what you said, which didn't stop you from pulling condescending bullshit like "you're entitled to be wrong".

Why you feel the need to keep responding when you haven't said anything of substance beyond your initial claim, I have no fucking idea.

 Are you that desperate to let everyone know that you're right?
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #98 on: January 10, 2010, 02:02:32 AM »

What's the frequency kennith?
 Are you there?
Your bluff has been called.
What's in your hand?
I got an edumcated guess what you're holding.
A pair of Jokers, but too bad, they got left in the deck by accident (or did you put sneak them in?)
Regardless, they're not accepted at this table.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2010, 02:18:55 AM »

If god created people in his likeness, I want no part of the sick fucker. 
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2010, 12:00:59 PM »

If god created people in his likeness, I want no part of the sick fucker. 

Instant classic!  :lol:
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #101 on: January 10, 2010, 01:42:14 PM »

I already commented on the straw man argument.  Game over.  You fucked up.  I'm not the Christo-fascist you're looking for.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #102 on: January 10, 2010, 05:00:20 PM »

If god created people in his likeness, I want no part of the sick fucker. 

..and why did he design our backs to have itchy spots where ones hands can't quite reach?
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #103 on: January 10, 2010, 05:43:32 PM »

I could better serve the lord with 4 arms.  Wait a minute.  Why does the 'omni'-being need me to worship him anyway? 
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #104 on: January 10, 2010, 06:02:07 PM »

The thread is off-topic.

I intended for it to be a place where people discussed ethics from an atheists perspective.
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