tl;dr. This is why I didn't waste too much time in the beginning. What I said is very simple. You want big harry argument with someone. That would not be me.
So you said i was wrong and that i was a fail without reading what i said? You don't want to waste time reading, yet you've come back multiple times to pretty much just swing your dick without saying anything of substance.
Your time must be really valuable. You're definitely not wasting it with what you're doing.
I never claimed one's conscience was tied to Jewish rituals. I never even pointed to a religion. I responded to the universality of "basic rules of action;" things like "don't kill," "don't steal," "don't lie about people." You went right into Jewish law and equated that with conscience, and I stopped reading, and told you you're free to be wrong with your silly straw-man argument. Your problem may be that you're one of the sociopaths.
I'm not the Christo-fascist you're looking to attack.
I never attacked you about being a supporter of judeo-christo-muslim god, I attacked you for the idea that we all get ethics from the same place, and I went on to rail against the most commonly accepted definition of "creator" as immoral.
If you're talking about the judeo-christo-muslim abrahamic god, I definately DO NOT get my conscience from him.
Since you didn't mention which creator, I made the rational assumption that you mean the same one over 3 billion people mean when they say creator. I attacked the idea because its a bad idea, and because there are people on this board who DO believe in that god, whether you do or not, and since 3 billion people also believe in that god, I think its important to point out how despicable that set of ethics is, particularly in a thread about where ethics come from.
I attacked your belief that we all get the same ethics from a creator, and i attacked judeo christo ethics entirely separately.
What followed was a detailed break down of what ethics are, and how they are a product of biological, cultural and personal evolution.
Everything else I said still stands. Its still fucking ridiculous to believe even 75% of people have the same ethics, let alone everyone. And the weight of evidence I suggested that ethics are evolved, not given by a "creator".
Since you now seem to be interested in discussing your beliefs, heres some questions
1. When did the creator give us our conscience? Was it 100,000 years ago when the first humans speciated?
2. Wheres the evidence a creator gave humans a conscience?
3. How do you explain the billions of people who have different ethical views on sex, gender, crime,justice, eating meat, etc.
4. Explain how ethical views on sex, gender, crime and justice have changed massively over the last 6000 years, if we all get them from the sane creator.A few examples would be how women where considered second class, how it wasnt considered possible to rape your own wife, how a huge percentage of the earths population was okay with owning slaves.
We're talking about hundreds of millions of people, so it can't be just sociopaths, and there are way too many disparate views on ethics for everyone to get their conscience from a single creator.
Obviously ethics/conscience/whatever you want to call it doesn't come from a single source, and obviously looking back on human history its something that has changed massively.