Damnit fatcat, whats wrong with you?
I started a thread to ask a question about atheism, and not to have you bitch about religion. I don't know why you think its relevant, but you're coming across as a troll right now.
Atheism only means anything in the face of theism.
You were curious about where atheists stand on ethics.
You said you got your ethics from what you think god expects from you.
I disagreed and provided examples of what I believe is inconsistencies in this viewpoint.
I'll keep the rest of this quick.
Where does it say its ok to beat slaves?
(Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Since you ripped my head off every time I made a mistake quoting the Torah, do I get to do the same since you apparently don't know the own book you get guidance from?
The Gemara says that the case of the rebellious son will never happen. Its supposed to teach good parenting traits, which are found in the Gemara.
huh? No jewish parents have rebllious children? Maybe no
true jewish parents?
Leviticus 20:9 ESV
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.
Surely if jewish children would never be rebellious god wouldn't have felt the need to tell people to kill them?
Maybe you mean children will never be killed because of something in the Gemara but I'm not sure.
The unclean thing is not used for pork. Yet another thing you fail to understand.
What?
Leviticus 11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.
Please tell me how I've got this one wrong.
We don't pick and choose, we just do the things that are applicable today.
Except all the outrageous shit like stoning women who aren't virgins on their wedding night, owning and beating slaves, executing homosexuals isn't applicable today, but the stuff that most sensible people don't care about, like what food you eat or not doing things on special days (i.e. the shit that doesn't involve executing non violent people), is still applicable applicable. funny eh?
There hasn't been a Sanhedrin for the majority of the last 2000 years. Doesn't that make every execution during that time unjust?
If you're really think you should do what god expects you to, why do you take such a laid back attitude? There are literally millions of people walking around in the USA who deserve to be put to death according with the rulings of the Torah.
Let alone all the faggers and non virgin brides walking around in Tel Aviv.
If what you believe is representative of what most Jews perceive as Judaism, isn't it a massive failing for pretty much no place on earth to be run by the ethics god set out for you?
If everything god expects is ethical, then doesn't it follow that not following that is unethical? Doesn't that mean your being unethical by not trying to implement gods ethics?
If god didn't want homosexuals to be executed, why did he tell people he did? Why didn't he say "oh by the way, in 2000 years this won't be applicable, but don't worry about it, I'll have changed my mind by then"?
IF its not applicable, shouldn't you be working to make it applicable?. God didn't say men who sleep with men should be put to death, unless in a couple thousand years and you don't really have a jewish law system, then forget about it, I didn't really mean they deserve to be executed.
You can't throw the whole "ignorance" thing in my face. Yeah I don't know the Torah aswell as you, but I'm not making any outlandish claims that I don't have sources for. A couple of times I've mixed up passages from the Torah and New testament (seriously its not that hard to do, how many passages do you know of the Koran or Bhagavad Gita), but I've never been willfully ignorant on any passage.
Also, point of clarification, why exactly is it that god wouldn't want you to just get a gun and start mowing down people he says should be put to death? Is there a passage against vigilantism? What if you got the go ahead from a rabbi?
seems like a pretty fragile judicial institution if it requires a specific temple and a 71 member council to make any execution happen, especially considering the Jews didn't have a homeland for a long time, what where people meant to do before that if they wanted to execute murderers and such?