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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2010, 07:47:37 AM »

I honestly hope someone rips your ugly head off, and shits down your neck.

So much for the Christian "turn the other cheek."

Even a Wiccan or "law of attraction" believer would "put out" positive things, like "may you one day soon realize your mistake" or "I sincerely hope that you accept $DEITY in your life, he/she/they/it love you."

Maybe one of the more militant religions would fit your personality better than the generally proported "peace and brotherhood" of the New Testament. Many of the objections so far stated against the "Christian" bible are really against the raging misogyny and paranoia of the Old Testament. Have you considered Judeism?

Most religions, with minor exceptions like pure "What would Jesus do" Christianity, Zen Buddhism, Quakers, Wicca, generally accept bashing non-believers. So pick something really esoteric and then you won't be damning yourself by saying things like "I hope someone rips off your head..." etc.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2010, 01:16:14 PM »

I honestly hope someone rips your ugly head off, and shits down your neck.

So much for the Christian "turn the other cheek."

Even a Wiccan or "law of attraction" believer would "put out" positive things, like "may you one day soon realize your mistake" or "I sincerely hope that you accept $DEITY in your life, he/she/they/it love you."

Maybe one of the more militant religions would fit your personality better than the generally proported "peace and brotherhood" of the New Testament. Many of the objections so far stated against the "Christian" bible are really against the raging misogyny and paranoia of the Old Testament. Have you considered Judeism?

Most religions, with minor exceptions like pure "What would Jesus do" Christianity, Zen Buddhism, Quakers, Wicca, generally accept bashing non-believers. So pick something really esoteric and then you won't be damning yourself by saying things like "I hope someone rips off your head..." etc.

I'm not a Christian numbnuts. Haven't you ever paid attention to anything I have ever said? Turning the other cheek isn't a Jewish concept. I'm a practicing Orthodox Jew.

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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2010, 02:00:49 PM »

I suppose I could get my ethics from the bible by purposely NOT following its example, and other times taking heed of its advice when I felt it was relevant. Oh, wait, we discussed that already. Picking and choosing like that is BS because it enables you do behave however you want, thus you are choosing your ethics in the same way as atheists.
You're not supposed to follow everything in the bible by example.  Example: Worshiping a golden calf, that's a big no-no.  Sending your top general into battle so that he would die and you can marry his wife, another big no-no.  Of course there is twisted stuff in the Bible, you're supposed to learn from it that that is twisted and not to do it.

And the story where Jesus damns a fig tree?

Or how about the one where god sends 2 bears out of the woods to slaughter 42 children?

Should I learn not to make fun of bald people, because like those children I may be mauled to death by bears? (Like 2 bears could really kill that many people, all they would have to do is flee and they wouldnt be all caught.)
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2010, 05:53:05 PM »


Should I learn not to make fun of bald people, because like those children I may be mauled to death by bears? (Like 2 bears could really kill that many people, all they would have to do is flee and they wouldnt be all caught.)

Maybe the bears stalked the 42 children over a long period of time. Get a couple today, another one tomorrow, 3 on Thursday. These were not your average bears.
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« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2010, 06:10:39 PM »

I suppose I could get my ethics from the bible by purposely NOT following its example, and other times taking heed of its advice when I felt it was relevant. Oh, wait, we discussed that already. Picking and choosing like that is BS because it enables you do behave however you want, thus you are choosing your ethics in the same way as atheists.
You're not supposed to follow everything in the bible by example.  Example: Worshiping a golden calf, that's a big no-no.  Sending your top general into battle so that he would die and you can marry his wife, another big no-no.  Of course there is twisted stuff in the Bible, you're supposed to learn from it that that is twisted and not to do it.

And the story where Jesus damns a fig tree?

Or how about the one where god sends 2 bears out of the woods to slaughter 42 children?

Should I learn not to make fun of bald people, because like those children I may be mauled to death by bears? (Like 2 bears could really kill that many people, all they would have to do is flee and they wouldnt be all caught.)
I have no idea.  I've only read small sections of the New Testament because I'm not a Christian.  Don't ask me about Jesus damning a fig tree.  Seems strange to me, besides, figs are good.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2010, 06:12:56 PM »

$DEITY

I like the way that looks.

...2 bears...

Were these the same two from the ark?
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2010, 06:14:49 PM »

$DEITY

I like the way that looks.

...2 bears...

Were these the same two from the ark?

The very same two. Yogi and Booboo. They had a fondness for picinic baskets and mauling children.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #127 on: January 11, 2010, 06:17:16 PM »

 :lol:
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #128 on: January 11, 2010, 06:17:23 PM »

$DEITY

I like the way that looks.

...2 bears...

Were these the same two from the ark?

The very same two. Yogi and Booboo. They had a fondness for picinic baskets and mauling children.
Oh, you must be talking about the Evil Bear Ravaging Tahoe I posted about in General.  He sure seems like an Evil Yogi
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2010, 06:28:12 PM »

I'm not a Christian numbnuts. Haven't you ever paid attention to anything I have ever said?

Not really, it's not that interesting most of the time.

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Turning the other cheek isn't a Jewish concept. I'm a practicing Orthodox Jew.

Well then being a vindictive asshole is just fine. Ignore the advice.

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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2010, 06:51:10 PM »

$DEITY

I like the way that looks.

It's a very old UNIX-hacker term, using an "environment variable" as it would be utilized in a shell script.
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2010, 07:31:36 PM »

I recognized it as a variable, but saw the connect between church and it's *secondary motive $PROFIT!

*Core motive = $CONTROL!
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Re: A Question to the Athiests
« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2010, 08:16:14 PM »

I suppose I could get my ethics from the bible by purposely NOT following its example, and other times taking heed of its advice when I felt it was relevant. Oh, wait, we discussed that already. Picking and choosing like that is BS because it enables you do behave however you want, thus you are choosing your ethics in the same way as atheists.
You're not supposed to follow everything in the bible by example.  Example: Worshiping a golden calf, that's a big no-no.  Sending your top general into battle so that he would die and you can marry his wife, another big no-no.  Of course there is twisted stuff in the Bible, you're supposed to learn from it that that is twisted and not to do it.

How do you explain stoning non virgin brides, executing gay people, slave beating rules, killing non believers, killing disbelievers, killing witches, executing adulterers?

I don't see any versions that are even slightly open to an interpretation where god doesn't want gay people to be executed

Non of that shit is tongue in cheek or even slightly metaphorical, they're straight out rulings.

The only thing you can learn by it is to not believe something is wrong just because it was written in an old book supposedly authored by a god.

funny how he decided to let humans write it down for him, instead of say etching it in 200ft letters on the moon, or coding it into all DNA or some other way that couldn't easily be mistaken for a work of fiction.

Or you know appearing on mass to all humans at regular intervals so there would be no doubt to his existence.
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« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2010, 11:35:26 PM »

Or you know appearing on mass to all humans at regular intervals so there would be no doubt to his existence.
Or revealing some truth that we could not have figured out at the time (like complex math), leaving a few angels behind to perform various feats (we could still have this debate then, but it'd cancel out some religions), allow some people to still perform miracles, etc.

...2 bears...

Some dude in the bible was walking along minding his own business. A group of "little children" ran up to him and began teasing him about the lack of hair on his head. He cursed them in gods name. God sent 2 female bears to charge out of the woods and those bears managed to kill 42 of the kids (no mention of how many kids in total there were). Wonder if these (innocent?) kids went to heaven or hell after that. The dude continued on to his next destination after that.

Done by an artist who has no idea what bears look like:

Theres only about a dozen kids in this one, but it more accurately represents the bears:


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Don't ask me about Jesus damning a fig tree.  Seems strange to me, besides, figs are good.

Jesus was actually fond of figs. In the story where he damned one (a specific one) he had walked all the way over to the tree to get its fruit because he was hungry. He found the tree covered in leaves and it was supposed to be bearing fruit, but for whatever reason (I blame god) there wasnt any. Jesus damned the tree in his anger for its insolence.  It doesnt say whether god sent any forest creatures out to maul the tree, but I'd assume that he did.

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And here ends the lesson.  8)
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« Reply #134 on: January 12, 2010, 03:38:43 AM »


...2 bears...


Some dude in the bible was walking along minding his own business. A group of "little children" ran up to him and began teasing him about the lack of hair on his head. He cursed them in gods name. God sent 2 female bears to charge out of the woods and those bears managed to kill 42 of the kids (no mention of how many kids in total there were). Wonder if these (innocent?) kids went to heaven or hell after that. The dude continued on to his next destination after that.

Done by an artist who has no idea what bears look like:

Theres only about a dozen kids in this one, but it more accurately represents the bears:


Sounds like the lesson is to not taunt your elders.  How is that a bad lesson?  Because it's graphic and R-rated?  Leave it to fatcat to take something way out of context.
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