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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2010, 10:32:19 PM »

Alex trolling for Microsoft? WTF HAPPENED AROUND HERE WHILE I WASN'T LOOKING?
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2010, 10:33:45 PM »

Alex trolling for Microsoft? WTF HAPPENED AROUND HERE WHILE I WASN'T LOOKING?

There's a thread around here where Alex declares his love for capitalist M$ instead of communist GNU/Linux.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2010, 07:17:13 AM »

Yes, you're confused. It's not 1994 any more.

In 1994 Linux was still toy, BSD was serious server UNIX, and Microsoft's desktop operating systems, compilers, apps, games, etc were absolutely unbeatable.  The situation has changed only a little, thanks to Linux support from governments and moocher corporations trying to hurt Microsoft.

Here's a thread about me having to recompile the kernel to get sound working a couple months ago (it only worked on other distros by random chance of kernel load order).  Here's a thread about me trying to get Firefox to scale without looking like an 8-bit Nintendo - something that's still broken on most distros!  There's a good reason why 4 out of 5 people who try Linux go back to Windows / MacOS (except in countries like Cuba, of course, which is where much of Linux's 1% desktop market share is coming from).


The rest isn't worth commenting on.

Yet another Gnoo Loonie running away from the argument lest his blind faith in socialist software is shattered,,,


There's a thread around here where Alex declares his love for capitalist M$ instead of communist GNU/Linux.

You mean a thread where I give credit where credit is due for Microsoft's recent innovations (ex. Win7, .NET 4, IE9, etc).  I mostly troll for copyFREE software.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2010, 09:23:17 AM »

There's a thread around here where Alex declares his love for capitalist M$ instead of communist GNU/Linux.

I thought it was more like 27 threads.

Yet another Gnoo Loonie running away from the argument...

No, Libman. I said "not worth commenting on" because it's not worth it. It's all already been said, many times and in many ways.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2010, 10:35:49 AM »

You said some stupid Loonix bunker mentality shit, and I debunked it.  Microsoft and other proprietary software does not suck, and it remains the best solution for the vast majority of users - deal with it.  Go get some therapy if you must.  Besides, copyFREE bunker mentality is far more fun - just don't ask me how I compile Chromium or play video files w/o any gnushit.  :lol:
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2010, 12:26:01 PM »

You said some stupid Loonix bunker mentality shit, and I debunked it.

You didn't debunk anything. I also compile kernels, for fun, because I choose to. Not because it has to be done, as has been reported by everyone else who uses Linux in this forum other than you.

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Microsoft and other proprietary software does not suck, and it remains the best solution for the vast majority of users

It does suck. There, by your own definition you're debunked. Hahahaha.

"Best"? That's a subjective judgement you're making for everyone else.

To use something else you're fond of using on other people, this thread was started (NOT by you for a change) to ask a question concerning Linux. Not to debate the benefit of Proprietary vs. F/OSS. You have established many threads to do that in, where you are welcome to do so.

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-- Thomas Jefferson, April 26th 1820

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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2010, 01:41:31 PM »

Not because it has to be done, as has been reported by everyone else who uses Linux in this forum other than you.

Selection bias.  A lot of people download Linux, have problems with it, assume they're the only ones, and stay quiet about it - the Emperor's New Clothes dilemma.  Its desktop market share speaks for itself - and much of that 1% are people who cannot afford Microsoft software, or aren't allowed access to it by oppressive Communist regimes.


It does suck.  There, by your own definition you're debunked.  Hahahaha.

I've spent a lot of time talking about software in great detail, on this forum and others, linking to plenty of facts and objective evaluations along the way.  I can't recall anything factual you've ever produced, just mindless insults.


"Best"?  That's a subjective judgement you're making for everyone else.

What I said was that proprietary software "remains the best solution for the vast majority of users".  The vast majority of users run a proprietary operating system (Microsoft 89%, Apple 7%, Linux 1%), even though Linux is the path of least resistance nowadays (thank government funding).

You are a zealot who pushes your restrictive monokernel socialist software fantasies, I go by facts: what is freest (BSD or Haiku), what is most secure (OpenBSD), what is easiest for desktop users (Windows or Mac), what is most interoperable and productive for office tasks (Windows), what provides best Web and game performance (Windows), etc.  I've always admitted the benchmarks by which Linux the #1 solution in terms of server performance (thank Oracle), though it's still inferior in a number of other areas, the most important of which for the purpose of this thread is user experience.  LibertyLover doesn't seem to be the most technically inclined person, so a properly optimized older version of Windows is probably the best option for his needs.  IMHO.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2010, 05:15:34 PM »

I don't think "user experience" in the way you're using it was the OP's primary concern. Based on his posts, it was being pissed off at viruses and Microsoft's piracy department.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2010, 05:39:27 PM »

Why is it that I have GNU lawyers shaking a fist at me, but zilch aggression from Microsoft - and I've pirated enough proprietary software over the years to buy a small Greek island!  Haven't seen a "Blue Screen of Death" on a production product in almost a decade.  And I've never had a destructive virus, ever!

All this makes me wonder if maybe a lot of people are bashing Microsoft only due to their anti-capitalist bias, and they've peer-pressured the rest of the geeks to just go along with it.  Well, not me - truth is my highest value!

And with that I bid this thread adieu.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2010, 08:28:46 PM »

You are a zealot who pushes your restrictive monokernel socialist software fantasies

For someone who is so quick to label anyone who dares to disagree with you as offering "just mindless insults", you spend a large part of your time spewing mindless insults.

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And with that I bid this thread adieu.

Drive by trolling. Typical. I'll believe that when I _don't_ see any more postings by you. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Please.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2010, 01:09:26 AM »

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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2010, 11:44:21 AM »

For the paranoid amongst us, on Saturday I decided to do a little test.

I used the Debian "bootable business card" image, 43MB, very light on the bandwidth for initial downloading. But it requires a network connection to pull down all the initial packages, which really means it needs a full CD's worth of network time anyway. CD#1 or DVD#1 don't need a network connection at all for the install.

During disk preparation, I selected "use entire disk, set up encrypted Logical Volume Manager". I'd heard that full disk encryption like that was easy, but this is the first time I tried it.

It didn't even bat an eye. It asked me for a passphrase, asked me to confirm that I wanted to use a weak one (since this was just a test), and then Just Worked.

The real test was compiling and installing the latest kernel from Kernel.org. As I mentioned above, I do this for fun once in a while. And, I wanted to see if there would be trouble with the new kernel decoding a previously encrypted disk.

No trouble at all.

Caveat: the /boot area, with the Linux kernel and support files, is NOT encrypted. So while encryption will save your files from casual thieves, the FBI could still stick a hacked kernel in place on your disk while you're not looking and get your passphrase when you unknowingly use it.

But as has been said, many times many ways, locks keep out honest people.  The truly paranoid use bootable USB memory sticks that they keep on chains around their necks like ICBM launch keys.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2010, 12:55:04 PM »

Caveat: the /boot area, with the Linux kernel and support files, is NOT encrypted. So while encryption will save your files from casual thieves, the FBI could still stick a hacked kernel in place on your disk while you're not looking and get your passphrase when you unknowingly use it.

No amount of software/hardware security is effective without complimentary physical security.

But, the attack you describe can be thwarted, also.  Encrypt / on one partition with a flag both allowing an encrypted /home directory to even attempt mounting and visual cue to you, the user.  Then, even if the / passphrase is compromised by logging into the hacked kernel, you won't even have the opportunity to compromise your /home passphrase and/or you will notice the lack of flag and abort.
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Re: A Linux question for Linux users.
« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2010, 01:34:31 PM »

You said some stupid Loonix bunker mentality shit, and I debunked it.  Microsoft and other proprietary software does not suck, and it remains the best solution for the vast majority of users - deal with it.  Go get some therapy if you must.  Besides, copyFREE bunker mentality is far more fun - just don't ask me how I compile Chromium or play video files w/o any gnushit.  :lol:


I agree up to a point.  I am stuck with MS on my main cpu.  Some software programs will not operate on a Linux only system.  The fact this is an older slower laptop that I am making into an internet surfing device.  And no one plays online games.  Linux should fit the bill perfectly all on its own. 

Anyone every use the Linus Skipjack-Feisty distro?
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