22 April '10 Extend Show: Ian trashes politicos; "I don't trash on politicos"

[TimeLady Victorious]

Yeah I got that, it's just that I don't like how (seemingly) every libertarian is wrapped up with anarcho-capitalism.

You're talking to the wrong crowd. Of course, the minarchist types are heavily populated with Objectivists, which you may not like, either.

I'm an Aprilist. I support Aprilism.

(Yes, that is supposed to not make sense.)

[Pilot_MKN]

I used to agree with Ian but more and more I'm coming around to Mark's way of thinking.

A lot of it is due to my girlfriend, who had a 'come to Jesus' meeting with me about the benefits of winning people over to your side versus antagonizing them with outlandish protests. She understands how this works pretty well, having a degree in psychology and being the owner of a coffee shop in a rural Mississippi town. She was involved in getting beer made legal there for the first time in the town's history.

Sure, the old ladies yelling 'you damn kids' are annoying, but if you keep pissing them off, you'll never get anything accomplished. People like that are the busy bodies, and they usually know the key players in an area and can galvanize a lot of resentment against you in a hurry. If you gradually build up support, you can start to get enough people on your side to turn the tide, like this small town did. Sure, the politicos sabotaged the bill and restricted where you could sell beer, but had people just started drinking beer on the courthouse lawn you'd had locals up in arms against you.

[digitalfour]

don't fucking cite Ghandi and Hippies and shit, because they were fighting for shit that a lot of people actually wanted, not trying to dismantle a several thousand year old concept that is so ingrained and drawn from the structure of the family unit itself that it'll probably take generations of education to turn back.

Couldn't a similar thing be said of slavery?

[libertylover]

And don't even get me started on the no money having welfare baby dirty hippy dumpster diving "Left Libertarians"...

He is talking about the povertarians.

I will say it anyway.  Learn to get along damn it.  If you learn to get along it can be a two pronged effort towards freedom.  You waste time energy and goodwill between the two groups of Liberty activist by not working together.  Both methods have their benefits and down sides.  It is pointless for each side to demand that the other give up entirely on their preferred method of activism.

[Cognitive Dissident]

And don't even get me started on the no money having welfare baby dirty hippy dumpster diving "Left Libertarians"...

He is talking about the povertarians.

I will say it anyway.  Learn to get along damn it.  If you learn to get along it can be a two pronged effort towards freedom.  You waste time energy and goodwill between the two groups of Liberty activist by not working together.  Both methods have their benefits and down sides.  It is pointless for each side to demand that the other give up entirely on their preferred method of activism.

Not working together is one thing, but working against each other is a special kind of stupid.

[sillyperson]

working against each other is a special kind of stupid.

Is that special kind of stupid more or less stupid than smoking pot and bullhorning at the family-friendly pumpkin festival?

[anarchir]

working against each other is a special kind of stupid.

Is that special kind of stupid more or less stupid than smoking pot and bullhorning at the family-friendly pumpkin festival?

More. Also a special kind of stupid: bringing up one event over and over and over and over.

Lay off it already.

Edit: you are more and more resembling a provo on here.

[sillyperson]

bringing up one event over and over and over and over.

It's just a handy example. There are plenty more.
How many people do you know are such assholes they'd get kicked out from the food bank and asked never to try and volunteer there ever again? Well... they got that kind in Keene!!

[anarchir]

bringing up one event over and over and over and over.

It's just a handy example. There are plenty more.
How many people do you know are such assholes they'd get kicked out from the food bank and asked never to try and volunteer there ever again? Well... they got that kind in Keene!!

Who'd that happen to?

[sillyperson]

How many people do you know are such assholes they'd get kicked out from the food bank and asked never to try and volunteer there ever again? Well... they got that kind in Keene!!

Who'd that happen to?

At least one of the Keeniacs. Might have been more, but I know of one in particular.
Fits the profile -- here to protest, not win hearts and minds. Kind of people I'd prefer to leave NH, spend a decade or two growing up, come back when some of the ass has rubbed off.

[anarchir]

How many people do you know are such assholes they'd get kicked out from the food bank and asked never to try and volunteer there ever again? Well... they got that kind in Keene!!

Who'd that happen to?

At least one of the Keeniacs. Might have been more, but I know of one in particular.
Fits the profile -- here to protest, not win hearts and minds. Kind of people I'd prefer to leave NH, spend a decade or two growing up, come back when some of the ass has rubbed off.

Well, they will grow up in NH then. I think I've mentioned before that its the kind of flakey people who havent settled down yet who are going to get there first. Imagine the western U.S. being settled way back when it was just considered "territory". The people who adventured first were the wilder, adventurous type who avoided life amongst other civilized people. Then came the leaders, those who wished to put down roots elsewhere for good, and then came their followers. These followers were the settlers were there to make a steady society and truly add some value to the world around them.

The settler type of people take a while to get there, but they stick around longer and have a wider influence over time.

[ForumTroll]

I wish Denis would grow up and stop whining like a toddler.

[Cognitive Dissident]

working against each other is a special kind of stupid.

Is that special kind of stupid more or less stupid than smoking pot and bullhorning at the family-friendly pumpkin festival?

No, it's the kind of shit you're doing to alienate them.

[anarchir]

working against each other is a special kind of stupid.

Is that special kind of stupid more or less stupid than smoking pot and bullhorning at the family-friendly pumpkin festival?

No, it's the kind of shit you're doing to alienate them.

This.

I wish Denis would grow up and stop whining like a toddler.

And this.

[ForumTroll]

working against each other is a special kind of stupid.

Is that special kind of stupid more or less stupid than smoking pot and bullhorning at the family-friendly pumpkin festival?

No, it's the kind of shit you're doing to alienate them.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one calling the cops on them.