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Title: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رسو
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 30, 2009, 12:02:57 AM
There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

I've hereby decided to convert to Islam.

Everything else in this world is broken: emotionally, culturally, demographically, and on many other levels.  Only faith in Allah stands triumphant.

In absence of religion people tend to turn to things even less rational - socialism, environmentalism, feminism, addictive substances, recreational sex, and so on.  Even if I was the most rational person in the world, I would still need to compromise with the irrationalities of others, and Islam is the greatest of the alternatives.

Only through faith do people consistently overcome the demographic-economic paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic-economic_paradox) and manage to pull their own demographic weight.  Only through faith in Allah does someone like me have hope of overcoming this paradox in my own life.

Only through faith in Allah do people overcome imperialism and socialism, with the Islamic ideal being expressed through its flagships like Dubai and Qatar: many small competing authorities with the universal recognition of certain human rights, most importantly the right to free exit, but at the same time capable of uniting and fighting fearlessly for common defense.

I need no analytical proof for the divine nature of religion, because I recognize that my analytic powers are imperfect, and because a religion must be shared across many centuries and many billions of people, some more capable of rational thought than others.  Most other religions and secular social contracts / constitutions have failed to stand the test of time, but Islam clearly has the competitive advantage in the world today.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Lindsey on August 30, 2009, 12:03:48 AM
Allah Akbar. 
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 30, 2009, 12:15:22 AM
Allāhu Akbar.

If a culture must recognize something as "greatest", it better be the foundation of a functional social contract.  Take that away, and you end up with a Caligula or a Hitler.  Or a Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Zat on August 30, 2009, 01:17:59 AM
Insha'Allah
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 30, 2009, 01:48:22 AM
Moved to Hijack-Free Zone.  This thread is to be cleansed of idolotrious imagery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam) (including smileys).  Photographs are allowed, by my interpretation, but only if they're decent and respectable of Allah.

What good is 100% freedom of speech if it leads to the social contract being insulted, until it is replaced with arbitrary whim of the mob that eventually leads to there being no freedoms at all, like after the collapse of the Orthodox Christianity in Russia that has lead to Communism?  It is better to have 90% freedom of speech that is stable and sustainable for all time.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Terror Australis on August 30, 2009, 07:18:59 AM
I'm sorry but I don't respect a religion that doesn't respect women.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 30, 2009, 07:46:49 AM
Well, that's your subjective opinion - you might as well say that you don't respect a religion / life philosophy that doesn't give you free cookies and ice cream or whatever you fancy, or make 2 + 2 add up to 5 for your amusement.

The objective reality, however, is that feminism inevitably leads to economic decline.  I have written about this extensively in my "Childless Tax" thread (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28831), where I tried to find a secular solution to this all-important problem.  (It's a long thread that takes a while to make all of its point, but it's definitely worth reading.)  Until men are able to birth as many babies as women, and become as biochemically predisposed to taking good care of them every minute of every day, division of labor between genders is an absolute necessity.  Every woman in the world must give birth to 2 babies at least, and since some women aren't able or aren't willing then other women must pull their demographic weight for them, that is have 3 or more.  Raising a large family is a full-time job, which requires the woman to have specialized skills and habits that are very different from those of a man.


(Oh, speaking of irrational - guess who converted to Islam smack down before breakfast during Ramadan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan)...  Oh well, the sun will go down... eventually...)
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Terror Australis on August 30, 2009, 09:36:33 AM
 fundamentalist dogma....... :arrow:
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Terror Australis on August 30, 2009, 09:46:50 AM
Any religion that requires total obedience without thought is not likely to produce people capable of critical thought, people capable of free and independent thought.Human beings have natural rights,whatever their sex may be.

I dont see other religions stoning people to death, cutting off their clitoris or making them wear burqas.Their is no defending this behaviour.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 30, 2009, 10:14:42 AM
fundamentalist dogma....... :arrow:

That's the idea.


Any religion that requires total obedience without thought is not likely to produce people capable of critical thought, people capable of free and independent thought.

All successful societies require obedience to certain rulesets, whether it's respecting property rights or praying five times each day (http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/salat.htm).  As for independent thought - it is not a value in of itself.  A person who independently believes that 2 + 2 adds up to 5 has no advantage over a religious zombie brainwashed that it's 4.  You have to look at a culture as a whole, and there's just no evidence that Islam makes you dumber or less productive, while there is overwhelming evidence that it reduces crime, demographic theft, socialism, and other societal ills.


Human beings have natural rights, whatever their sex may be.

Yes, but those rights don't come from wishful thinking, they come from evolutionary pragmatism - rulesets that offer the greatest competitive advantage are valid.  Not pulling one's demographic weight is not a natural right.


I dont see other religions stoning people to death, cutting off their clitoris or making them wear burqas.

Then you simply don't know of any culture except the contemporary one you were born into.  Female circumcision has as much to do with Islam as smoking has to do with Objectivism - it has been practiced in Africa for tens of thousands of years.  Islam didn't spread it, it merely tolerated it, just as my rational Anarcho-Capitalism would tolerate it on the grounds of parents' rights.

The burqa is also not Islamic - for example, the ancient Greeks required their women to wear them.  In some Arab tribes men wear burqas as well, which is a darn good idea given the sun, hot wind, and sand in the air.  Men's preference for their wives and daughters to dress modestly can also be enforced through the AnCap concept of a "family contract".


[There] is no defending this behaviour.

Watch me.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: hellbilly on August 30, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
I stand by my previously deleted statement:

Ah Salami Llama.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: sinceredagreat on August 30, 2009, 06:02:13 PM
Well, any religion that promotes lying to people in order to hide amongst them until your numbers grow to the point where their is enough of you to kick in every door and threaten conversion or cut off their head is not a religion, but a system of violence to which I will never respect.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 30, 2009, 10:25:13 PM
I PISS ON YOUR BLACK STONE!

Oh, c'mon, is this the best you can do?  When I was an infidel like you, I've actually engineered a functional catapult for launching a hailstorm of live pigs into the Kaaba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba) during the peak of Hajj from a yacht a safe distance away in the Red Sea.  Now that's how you insult Allah!  Of course I've repented, and you're getting your head chopped off.  You don't mess with the Kabba!

If the American constitution had encouraged chopping people's heads off for insulting it, or even just suggesting violation of the principles of self-ownership (i.e. socialism), this civilization would still be free, and I wouldn't have to look to a 1400-year-old religion for liberty.  But enough jibba jabba, it's time to water the palm of liberty with the blood of infidels yet again!


i will wrap allah in the intestines of a thousand pigs

You and what polycentric army of several million highly motivated AK47-touting soldiers?  (And that's not counting actual government militaries throughout the Muslim world, some of which have nukes and all.)  When a weak society (i.e. a liberal democracy) goes up against a strong society, the strong one always triumphs.


Ah Salami Llama.

You can make salami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami) without pork, and llama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama) meat is halal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal), but that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.


Well, any religion that promotes lying to people in order to hide amongst them until your numbers grow to the point where their is enough of you to kick in every door and threaten conversion or cut off their head is not a religion, but a system of violence to which I will never respect.

Great, more infidel whining - "boo hoo hoo, I'm losing, boo hoo hoo"...   You're like a horse and buggy manufacturer who's angry at automobiles!  Infiltration and outbreeding tactics are very effective, whether you "respect" them or not.  Fertility rates matter - deal with it.  And all social systems that have been proven effective are based on violence - that's the reality of life.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Evil Muppet on August 31, 2009, 11:24:30 AM


You and what polycentric army of several million highly motivated AK47-touting soldiers?  (And that's not counting actual government militaries throughout the Muslim world, some of which have nukes and all.)  When a weak society (i.e. a liberal democracy) goes up against a strong society, the strong one always triumphs.


Why is why Western liberal democracies are waging war in Islamic countries instead of the other way around.  Which is why Western liberal democracies have been dividing Islamic countries up between each other for hundreds of years.  Why Islam never conquered the West but the West conquered Islamic nations repeatedly throughout history. 
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on August 31, 2009, 12:36:08 PM
I was talking specifically about Lord Humungus and his pig intestine threat, but I will address the broader issue that you bring up.

The Islamic civilization had conquered the heck out of the Byzantine and other empires - from Spain to Persia to India to Indonesia.  It was the first civilization to unite all of the Afro-Eurasian landmass (including Sub-Saharan Africa and China) in commerce and free exchange of ideas.  In 16th through the 20th centuries, however, it has clearly fallen behind Western Europe, which did a lot of the things right during that time - starting with the discovery of the Americas, which produced a humongous economic boost and encouraged further investment in trade and technology.  Another thing that Europe did right during those successful centuries is taking a lot of good ideas from Islam, whether directly or coincidentally, including less religious centralization (i.e. protestantism), greater interest in hygiene and medicine, rediscovering its own classical literature that has been preserved by Islam during Europe's dark ages, and so on (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe).  Other factors, like soil erosion and climate change, may have contributed to Islam's economic decline.  All this has led to military losses to the West, and that has been a handicap ever since.  In the 20th century, the so-called Dutch disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease) of oil export has further limited the Islamic world's prospects for economic growth.  None of those misfortunes are a result of Islam itself.

It was capitalism, science, and industrialization that has made the West great during this time - and colonialism has helped as well.  Liberal democracy, on the other hand, is what's bringing the Western Civilization down.  It discourages family values, leads to a demographic collapse, and raises the power of the state.  If you want to see the future of the Western Civilization, look to Italy.  If you want to see the future of the Muslim Civilization, look to Dubai.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Evil Muppet on September 01, 2009, 12:08:01 AM
Actually I think the Mongol hordes has a better claim to uniting the Eurasian landmass and they certainly were not Islamic. 

Then why did the science and technology, capitalism, industrialization, develop as they did in Western civilization and not in the Islamic world? 

Ever consider that it might be the religion itself which retards the economic growth of Islamic countries?
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 01, 2009, 12:38:46 AM
Actually I think the Mongol hordes has a better claim to uniting the Eurasian landmass and they certainly were not Islamic.

I said the first civilization to unite the Afro-Eurasian landmass for trade.  The mongols merely collected a small tax over many lands, many of which were Islamic and have remained Islamic, while Mongolia has fallen - it exists as an independent nation only because Russia and China didn't want to fight over it and agreed on a neutral compromise.


Then why did the science and technology, capitalism, industrialization, develop as they did in Western civilization and not in the Islamic world?

Because the West wasn't a liberal democracy back then?


Ever consider that it might be the religion itself which retards the economic growth of Islamic countries?

There's no evidence of that, while I've presented many arguments on why religion is beneficial.

A noob might frag an experienced Quake player every so often, but over the course of a lengthy death-match the better player will prevail.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: anarchir on September 09, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
So far as trolls go Libman you really suck.  You embody so many mental problems, even if this online life of yours is just an act.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 09, 2009, 08:27:10 AM
Thank you.

Oh, and this thread wouldn't be complete without...

Osama bin Ladin quotes!   Yaay! (http://www.allgreatquotes.com/osama_binladen_quotes.shtml)

:lol:
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: libertylover on September 09, 2009, 08:43:15 AM
Any religion that requires total obedience without thought is not likely to produce people capable of critical thought, people capable of free and independent thought.Human beings have natural rights,whatever their sex may be.

I dont see other religions stoning people to death, cutting off their clitoris or making them wear burqas.Their is no defending this behaviour.

I wonder how this squares with the fact that there have been numerous Muslim female leaders and heads of state. 
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Some argue that the Qur'an gives women the right to participate in public affairs as there are examples of women who took part in serious discussions and argued even with Muhammad himself.[3] In addition, during the Caliphate of Umar, a woman argued with him in the mosque, proved her point, and caused him to declare in the presence of many people: "A woman is right and Umar is wrong".

Some Muslims argue that Muhammad's wife Aisha, who both took part in politics and served as a major authority on hadith, is an example of possible roles for Muslim women. Other Muslims would strongly disagree. (Aisha is seen in a darker light by Shi'a Muslims because she opposed Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law Ali.) Other examples of possible roles include Ume Warqa and Samra Binte Wahaib, appointed heads of market committees of Medina and Mecca by Umar, the second Sunni caliph. There are few other historical role models for Muslim women as leaders. Razia Sultana was the short-lived third major independent Muslim ruler of the Sultanate of Delhi in India and the Mamluk queen Shajarat ad-Durr ruled for a few years in Egypt. One more example of a Muslim female head of state is Soyembika of Kazan, who ruled the Kazan Khanate in the 16th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_political_leaders_in_Islam_and_in_Muslim-majority_countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_political_leaders_in_Islam_and_in_Muslim-majority_countries)
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 09, 2009, 09:47:36 AM
I'm fighting hard in a thread on another forum called "FLDS, the American Talibans (http://www.debatepolitics.com/religion-philosophy/55393-flds-american-talibans.html)", and, while the title of this thread was meant to be a mindless insult, it could in fact be said that Mormonism is the branch of Christianity that is closest to Islam, and for reasons that don't just involve polygamy.  What happens when a strong pragmatic religion thrives in a first-world nation?  Mormons (whose statistics can be estimated by looking at Utah) are the most demographically-productive (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_bir_rat_per_100-birth-rate-per-1-000) major religious group in the United States, which is very import (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30621), but they are also among the hardest working (http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12480476), hardest playing (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_phy_exe-health-physical-exercise), and most pro-capitalist (http://www.splendidsun.com/wp/mormon-atlas/)!

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Andy on September 09, 2009, 10:06:22 AM
Any religion that requires total obedience without thought is not likely to produce people capable of critical thought, people capable of free and independent thought.Human beings have natural rights,whatever their sex may be.

I dont see other religions stoning people to death, cutting off their clitoris or making them wear burqas.Their is no defending this behaviour.

I wonder how this squares with the fact that there have been numerous Muslim female leaders and heads of state. 
ders.

It squares the same way that Elizabeth could be queen of sixteenth century England while women were still very much second class citizens. Sometimes class overrides sex.

The point is even if Islam was just swell for its time, that counts for nothing now.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Andy on September 09, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
So far as trolls go Libman you really suck.  You embody so many mental problems, even if this online life of yours is just an act.

What makes you think Libman is trolling?

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: libertylover on September 10, 2009, 08:43:09 AM
Any religion that requires total obedience without thought is not likely to produce people capable of critical thought, people capable of free and independent thought.Human beings have natural rights,whatever their sex may be.

I dont see other religions stoning people to death, cutting off their clitoris or making them wear burqas.Their is no defending this behaviour.

I wonder how this squares with the fact that there have been numerous Muslim female leaders and heads of state. 
ders.
It squares the same way that Elizabeth could be queen of sixteenth century England while women were still very much second class citizens. Sometimes class overrides sex.

The point is even if Islam was just swell for its time, that counts for nothing now.
I did actually have a conversation with a co-worker who is an Omam (sp?) as to why some Muslim women are forced to wear burqas and others here in the US simply wear a head scarf or only wear the head scarf to religious services?  He told me that was totally a cultural difference and had nothing to do with the religion.  Just like Amish are Christians and wear their distinctive clothing as a cultural expression of their form of Christianity.  There is no rule that all Christians have to adopt Amish clothing styles any more than there is an Islamic law which requires women wear burqas.   

As for the other statements of oppression those are religiously influenced laws.  Stoning which is a form of execution.  Here in the US people are put to death by gas chamber, electric chair or hanging but the people are just as dead.  We dub it capital punishment and is the penalty for murder or treason.  In some non- Muslim countries capital punishment applies to drug dealing and other laws.   I don't agree with any form of capital punishment personally.  But to say that all Muslims practice stoning is just a big a lie as saying all Muslim women are required to wear burqas or have a female circumcision.  It is only a subset that engages in such activities and you will find those cultures are also oppressive on the male population as well.

Not a proponent of gentile mutilation male or female but the practice is more cultural.  There is evidence of both found on Egyptian mummies which predate Islam.  Female circumcision is a practice that is confined to Sudan and small strip of sub Sahara Africa.  Also, some who practice FC are Christian in that area of Africa.  So again it is not a religious doctrine it is a cultural thing which some have used religion to attempt to justify.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 10, 2009, 12:37:09 PM
I wish I could go out wearing a full Hijab - with tinted eyeholes...  :lol:

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: anarchir on September 10, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
I wish I could go out wearing a full Hijab - with tinted eyeholes...  :lol:


Whats stopping you? Then we dont have to see your ugly troll face  :P
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Dylboz on September 10, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
Allāhu Akbar.

After 3 years of my childhood living across the street from a Dhahran mosque, that is indelibly ingrained in my mind. I can't even read it without hearing that crusty old Imam's voice blaring through the shitty PA they hung from the minarets.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 10, 2009, 07:34:17 PM
I wish I could go out wearing a full Hijab - with tinted eyeholes...  :lol:
Whats stopping you? Then we dont have to see your ugly troll face  :P

Muslim men would be all over me.   :?
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: anarchir on September 10, 2009, 11:59:50 PM
I wish I could go out wearing a full Hijab - with tinted eyeholes...  :lol:
Whats stopping you? Then we dont have to see your ugly troll face  :P

Muslim men would be all over me.   :?

Then just flash them a bit of skin --> :shock:.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 11, 2009, 12:27:05 AM
Then they'd behead me for cross-dressing.  :lol:
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: anarchir on September 11, 2009, 12:29:39 AM
Well, cant you just show them a bit of non-gender skin? Say, your back or butt.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 11, 2009, 12:31:52 AM
I'm straight(ish).
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: anarchir on September 11, 2009, 12:37:11 AM
I'm straight(ish).

Thats not the point tho is it? You are the one wanting to wear the thing, we are discussing ways of getting away with it without obtaining bodily harm.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 11, 2009, 03:22:22 AM
Hmm, maybe the Hijab could have a built-in audio player that plays pre-recorded phrases in an Arab woman's voice - "get out of the way, I'm late to milk my she-camel" or whatever would be culturally appropriate.  And air conditioning.  And bulletproofing.  And cup-holders....

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: anarchir on September 11, 2009, 03:24:40 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Riddler on September 11, 2009, 09:48:40 AM
i wipe my ass with islam
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 11, 2009, 01:52:34 PM
Infidel!
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Harry Tuttle on September 11, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
All I can really hope for in life is that when all of the religious zealots are fighting their holy wars that my family and I can survive it with some modicum of our freedom intact. I know this country has plenty of christians who think that they must defeat the muslims to keep our freedom.

I think we need to defeat all mindless belief systems.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 11, 2009, 08:45:56 PM
Then ya gotta pay your Childless (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=28831) / Parents Tax (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=30621), and ostracize others who refuse.

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Harry Tuttle on September 11, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
No.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Riddler on September 12, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
Infidel!



& fucking proud of it....
i blow my weed/liquor breath in your general direction, while wiping my >fresh-out-of-your-mother's-twat< dripping cock on your curtains, following with a nice defecation on your prayer mat, after which i rip the pages from the kuran, with which to wipe my shitty, heathen/infidel ass.......
then, if i have the energy, i'll draw a cartoon of allah fucking a goat........................
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 12, 2009, 02:30:13 PM
B-b-but weed & liquor make you not have 10-15 children!  :cry:
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Riddler on September 12, 2009, 04:00:49 PM
B-b-but weed & liquor make you not have 10-15 children!  :cry:



tell that to the negroes & latinos
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on September 12, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
B-b-but weed & liquor make you not have 10-15 children!  :cry:

Didn't you listen to the gov't propaganda in HS?  Weed & Liquor make you forget to use condoms and have unplanned chillins
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 12, 2009, 04:23:56 PM
tell that to the [Americans of Tropical Heritage] & latinos

You have to adjust for poverty, and that stereotype is a few decades old.

Mormons are the national breeding champs, and they don't even drink coffee!


Weed & Liquor make you forget to use condoms and have unplanned chillins

Yeah, but abortion takes care of that.

We pragmatic free-market economists must find other ways to initiate aggression against the plebs to pressure them to breed!

Cause if we don't, Allah will!

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Evil Muppet on September 14, 2009, 11:20:07 AM
actually trade will take care of most of the problem.  Open up more trade with the mideast and you'll undermine their governments.  Introduce more science and technology and you will undermine their religion.  Their societies will become more secular and less psychotic over time.

The muslims living in Europe will likely get assimilated into European society.  They will become Westernized.

If they don't.  There will eventually be a civil war between Europeans and Muslims within european countries and the problem would go away. 
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Riddler on September 14, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
I'm straight(ish).



as dice clay aptly put it:
...." you either suck dick, or you don't suck dick.....there's no ''grey'' area, here. pick a hole and get off the fuckin' fence."
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 14, 2009, 09:02:15 PM
I choose...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Vaginal_opening_-_english_description.jpg) (http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D9%87%D8%A8%D9%84)
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Sam Gunn (since nobody got Admiral Naismith) on September 14, 2009, 11:23:47 PM
Nice lookin' snatch but she's got some hairy anus.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 15, 2009, 12:01:05 AM
That's Allah's way of telling you to keep your reproductive organs away from the toxic waste processing facilities.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused002.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Andy on September 15, 2009, 05:00:52 AM
That's Allah's way of telling you to keep your reproductive organs away from the toxic waste processing facilities.  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused002.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

What did he put them so close together for then?

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 15, 2009, 12:40:19 PM
Allah wanted to keep things simple, stupid.  Gravity aids the digestion process (ever try to eat a meal and pass it through your body while hanging up-side-down?), so it would make sense that the waste disposal orifices be on the opposite end of the torso than the head.  The alpha version of Adam had him shoot sperm out his nose, and the alpha version of Eve had the vagina between her four boobs, but eventually Allah decided it would be more functional to make things the way they are now.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Riddler on September 15, 2009, 12:45:57 PM
allah had nuthin' to do with nuthin'...
he was slithering around in the primordial ooze, while god was makin shit happen
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on September 15, 2009, 12:54:47 PM
What about Dio, Dios, Dieu, Gott, Guš, 上帝, ईश्वर, Бог, 하느님, Θεός, Tuhan, கடவுள், Isten, Jumala, etc?
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 08, 2009, 07:34:08 PM
Report: Global Muslim population hits 1.57 billion (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hg1ZPw_iDZPtk40pc-eurHFUOlSQD9B6LBS80)
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Terror Australis on October 10, 2009, 08:25:31 AM
Then they'd behead me for cross-dressing.  :lol:




How many muslim men have ankle fetishes? :lol:

Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 10, 2009, 03:25:10 PM
If half of all Muslims are male, then 785 million.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: sinceredagreat on October 15, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
If half of all Muslims are male, then 785 million.


I would say more than half of Muslims are male...its an angry religion for insecure straw-dicked misogynists.

I mean who doesn't want to see titties?

O, I get it, you don't want anyone to see your girls titties because you are a weak man and knows I'll take ya chick, smash her, and send her back to ya...

Actual conversation I had with a Muslim...it was HILARIOUS.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 15, 2009, 05:50:38 PM
There's no way more than half Muslims are male!  Most societies have greater female life expectancy to begin with.  Plus women are typically more collectivist / religious than men, and women are especially more likely to convert to Islam than men, because, unlike other religions, Islam gives a woman the freedom to focus on her family without worrying about her looks, career, and so forth.

For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam! (http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/women_why_converting.htm)


(http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/m/muslim-smile.gif)

(http://www.emofaces.com/en/buddy-icons/m/muslim-buddy-icon.gif)(http://www.emofaces.com/en/buddy-icons/m/muslim-buddy-icon.gif)(http://www.emofaces.com/en/buddy-icons/m/muslim-buddy-icon.gif)(http://www.emofaces.com/en/buddy-icons/m/muslim-buddy-icon.gif)
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: sinceredagreat on October 15, 2009, 06:32:09 PM
How about this: This is how weak and pathetic Muslims are.

You got stopped by France.

Twice.

Verse of the Sword aka Surah 9:5 explicitly tells people to kill someone if they don't believe what you believe, and this verse supersedes any writings he had about peace when he was a small-time ruffian in Medina, since the verse of the sword was written very late in his life.

So that begs the question: What the fuck are you doing here, because you obviously aren't for liberty at all, and probably should be banned at this point since you do agree with that verse.




TL;DR version: Fuck off dumbass. You should be banned as you are an enemy of freedom. Period.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 16, 2009, 01:49:20 AM
This thread is clearly flying light-years above someone's head...  :roll:

Anyways, back to the pragmatic analysis of Islam, which was a darn good idea in the 600s and remains highly competitive today.  What other social system is as successful at curing the biggest problems currently facing the world - environmentalist hysteria, collapsing fertility rates, and assault on property rights?


[...]  Verse of the Sword aka Surah 9:5 explicitly tells people to kill someone if they don't believe what you believe, and this verse supersedes any writings he had about peace when he was a small-time ruffian in Medina, since the verse of the sword was written very late in his life.  [...]

The idea that a "social contract" can be made entirely optional is ridiculous!  Even an axiomic NAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle)'er hippie like Ian acknowledges the need for self-defense when a bunch of commies come to "liberate" his property.  The history of America in the 20th century is a great example of what happens when you give people who oppose your social contract (i.e. socialists) total freedom of speech.  There'd be ten billion people living in space by now if only infidels like Karl Marx had their heads chopped off!


TL;DR version:  People are st0000pid.  Pragmatism FTW!
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: sinceredagreat on October 16, 2009, 02:52:18 PM
I doubt that we would be in space if Muslims ran everything considering the refuse to believe that they are praying to an asteroid. So...something tells me science isn't their strong suit.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 16, 2009, 03:04:49 PM
You seem to be completely lost here...

What does religion have to do with science?  :?
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: sinceredagreat on October 16, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
You seem to be completely lost here...

What does religion have to do with science?  :?


The fact that Muslims refuse to believe an asteroid is an asteroid is a pretty big fucking deal when it comes to science, considering that would put them a couple hundred years behind the curve of things...

and what does religion have to do with science? Nothing at all, because science trumps religion EVERY time. Religion was the precursor to science. Modern science came along when some people decided that "Hey, this stupid book may not know everything, I might need to do some critical thinking and independent observation instead of taking a dead book's word for it..." and hence science was born...but some people will not let religion die....
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 16, 2009, 07:54:56 PM
You are confused.  You are comparing subjective cultural attributes (like religion, language, and clothing) with objective pursuits (like science and capitalism).  That is equivalent to saying that the English-speaking people will never accomplish anything because spelling in the English language isn't phonetic, or that people who wear neckties, which serve no rational purpose, are somehow mentally handicapped by them.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: sinceredagreat on October 17, 2009, 03:06:01 AM
That's nothing like I'm saying and you know it. If you refuse to believe what you pray to is an asteroid, and will not let anyone do a scientific study on it, that pretty much proves you won't be getting into space anytime soon...name a Middle Eastern country with a actual space program.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 17, 2009, 04:23:23 AM
A lot of secret scientific studies have been done, most recently on Prophet Muhammad's DNA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masjid_al-Nabawi) - there was no special propaganda value in the results, so those studies remained a secret.  Sorry, there's just no such thing as open source imperialism.  The Chinese ruling classes could kill and replace an emperor with even most people in the imperial palace not knowing about it!  The Vatican, the Kremlin, and Washington are / were just as secretive about their founding myths - cultures that aren't don't last very long.  ;)
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Riddler on October 17, 2009, 09:42:38 AM
I doubt that we would be in space if Muslims ran everything considering the refuse to believe that they are praying to an asteroid. So...something tells me science isn't their strong suit.



yeah, but they figgered out how to set bombs off wif a cell phone.....
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Alex Libman 15 on October 17, 2009, 10:54:55 AM
All things being equal, people in the Middle East actually have the highest IQ's in the world.  This is because they are descendants of the world's first civilizations (i.e. Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia), which means more generations of natural selection based on intellectual rather than physical endowment.


Once I asked in a Muslim chat-room what's the fastest way to download a Quran on MP3 with English translation, and someone immediately said:

Code: [Select]
perl -e 'for("001".."114"){`wget -c http://download.quran.islamway.com/quran3/206/$_.mp3`}';

     :lol:
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Riddler on October 17, 2009, 06:05:26 PM
All things being equal, people in the Middle East actually have the highest IQ's in the world.  


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sound of loud ''so-fucking-wrong buzzer going off)
you, my little twat-ish friend, are under the same delusion as so many others, that assume, wrongly, that because ancient arabs gave birth to certain mathematics & artworks (they did), that todays middle-eastern sand-dwellers can still ride the coat-tails of their ancestors (they can't)
the gooks got it all over everyone else.....oh, by the way, do they include females in your polling?  ...i doubt it.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: anarchir on October 18, 2009, 11:57:29 PM
All things being equal, everything is equal...duh.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on October 19, 2009, 09:30:34 PM
Once again, the reason why the Arab / North African civilization declined 500 years ago has nothing to do with Islam, and much to do with plagues, crop failures in North Africa, etc.  This allowed Christians to succeed in the Iberian reconquista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista), thereby taking over the Muslim-initiated conquest of the Americas in 1492, writing the Muslim role out of the history books.  (China too benefited from Muslim hegemony on high seas, Zheng He (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He) being the most famous example, but they have chosen the path of isolation instead.) Wealth from the New World has been the engine of the Western Civilization's progress ever since, allowing them to hold back the growth of the Ottoman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_the_Ottoman_Empire), and reverse it several centuries later, eventually leading to fragmentation, stagnation, and colonization.

One theory on why the Europeans have been able to succeed compares them to the rats that carried the bubonic plague - their strong immune systems made them carriers of infectious bacterial diseases that are lethal to others.  Europe's cold climate, low urbanization, and technological backwardness discouraged regular bathing, while a diet that's high in animal products (especially pigs) exposed them to all sorts of germs.  This, combined with natural selection from many centuries in the cold climate, has made them immune to diseases with which they were able to wipe out their enemies in their millions, both in the old world and the new.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: Andy on October 20, 2009, 02:36:04 AM
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taking over the Muslim-initiated conquest of the Americas in 1492, writing the Muslim role out of the history books

I know you don't like this, but ah, source?
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on October 20, 2009, 08:46:54 AM
I know you don't like this, but ah, source?

If a conspiracy theory had a legitimate "source", then it would be taught in 7th grade history class instead.

All I have is speculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_Andalusian-Americas_contact_theories), deductive reasoning, and divine revelation.  ;)


Holy successfull trolling batman.

I am but in larval stages of trollhood.  They say you need to practice an art for at least 40,000 hours to have a chance of becoming a true master, which someday I shall! 
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on November 03, 2009, 02:47:32 AM
From The Guardian (UK) -- Matrix producer plans Muhammad biopic (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/nov/02/matrix-producer-plans-muhammad-biopic) --

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Producer Barrie Osborne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrie_M._Osborne) [IMDB] (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0651614/) cast Keanu Reeves as the messiah in The Matrix and helped defeat the dark lord Sauron in his record-breaking Lord of the Rings trilogy.  Now the Oscar-winning American film-maker is set to embark on his most perilous quest to date: making a big-screen biopic of the prophet Muhammad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad).

Budgeted at around $150m (£91.5m), the film will chart Muhammad's life and examine his teachings.  Osborne told Reuters that he envisages it as "an international epic production aimed at bridging cultures.  The film will educate people about the true meaning of Islam".

Osborne's production will reportedly feature English-speaking Muslim actors.  It is backed by the Qatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar)-based production company Alnoor Holdings, who have installed the Muslim scholar Sheikh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh) Yusuf Al-Qaradawi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi) to oversee all aspects of the shoot.  In accordance with Islamic law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad), the prophet will not actually be depicted on screen.

"The film will shed light on the Prophet's life since before his birth to his death," Ahmed Abdullah Al-Mustafa, Alnoor's chairman, told al-Jazeera (http://).  "It will highlight the humanity of Prophet Muhammad."

The as-yet-untitled picture is due to go before the cameras in 2011. It remains to be seen, however, whether it will be beaten to cinemas by another Muhammad-themed drama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_about_Muhammad). Late last year, producer Oscar Zoghbi announced plans to remake The Message (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/oct/27/1) [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad,_Messenger_of_God#Remake), his controversial 1976 drama [BT] (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/The-Message-DVD-Starring-Anthony-Quinn-The-Story-of-Islam/3772bd5db5f28a0991989e947feb58bf56e0b1c8ee78) [IMDB] (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074896/) that sparked a fatal siege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Hanafi_Siege) by protesters in Washington DC.  The new version, entitled The Messenger of Peace, is currently still in development.
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: cavalier973 on November 16, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
There is no rule that all Christians have to adopt Amish clothing styles any more than there is an Islamic law which requires women wear burqas.   

Aw, crud...is this true? If so, that's the last time I let my pastor tell me I have to wear those white napkins on my head
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: AL the Inconspicuous on February 15, 2010, 01:37:42 PM
An idiot just started a thread (http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=32583.0) that finds some cases of corporal punishment still taking place in some Muslim countries and spins it out of proportion.  My reply on that thread, which was deleted, was:

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This video is stupid.  It compares legal systems in pre-industrial and even pre-enlightenment societies (by European standards) with the modern societies of the 21st century.

Use of mutilation as punishment makes economic sense everywhere, from feral tribes of the Amazon to Papua New Guinea, up to the point where a more sophisticated justice system can be implemented, with a system based on restitution being ideal.

It predates Islam, and it doesn't correlate with Islam - you are far more likely to face physical punishment for theft in a poor and backward Pagan country than a wealthier Islamic one.

Whether this system of punishment is more cruel than throwing people for decades in prison is a purely subjective question, and one that can only be discussed on a case-by-case basis.  I certainly would have more to fear from a socialist government that would throw me in prison for decades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_and_Elaine_Brown#Year_2009_indictment.2C_trial.2C_and_guilty_verdicts_for_the_Browns) for (just Federal) tax resistance!!

Why did I bother writing this text on a Luca Brazzi "Hijack-Free Zone" thread...  People who delete other people's posts (i.e. not one-line insult spam) are hopeless idiots.  I'll crawl a mile through broken glass before I ever delete a thoughtful post just because it disagreed with me!
Title: Re: أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رس
Post by: yamnuska on February 15, 2010, 04:42:22 PM
i smell bacon.