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'New Jews' stake claim to faith, culture
« on: October 31, 2009, 05:06:49 PM »

Interesting read.

'New Jews' stake claim to faith, culture
By Jessica Ravitz, CNN
October 30, 2009 5:20 p.m. EDT


(CNN) -- When Moses came down from Mount Sinai about 3,300 years ago, he couldn't have seen these Jews coming.

A blogger writes about how one of Judaism's holiest days ended, for her, in a strip club, while elsewhere a guy strolls into a tattoo parlor requesting a Star of David. Two women exchange wedding vows in a Jewish ceremony, and hipsters toss back bottles of HE'BREW, The Chosen Beer. A full-time software developer prepares to lead a group in Jewish prayer, as a PhD candidate in Jewish thought pens a letter criticizing Israel's policies.

Meet the "New Jews," as some call them: pockets of post-baby boomers -- or more accurately Generation X and Millennial (Gen Y) Jews -- who are making one of the world's oldest known monotheistic faiths and its culture work for them and others in a time when, more than ever, affiliation is a choice.

"I could wake up tomorrow and say, 'I don't want to be Jewish.' There would be no social, political or economic consequences," said Shawn Landres, the 37-year-old co-founder of Jumpstart, a Los Angeles-area organization that pushes forward out-of-the-box ideas in the Jewish world. "It's true for the first time in thousands of years that we can build the identities we want."

Many of those at the forefront of innovative Jewish construction are rabbis, religious educators, people who know their stuff. But they're not interested in foisting labels on people -- like the denominational terms Reform, Conservative or Orthodox -- nor do they want to perpetuate the pressures that come with fitting into religious, political and social molds.

For Atlanta, Georgia, punk-rock musician Patrick A, or Aleph (the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet), this means he can seamlessly blend who he's been with his newly embraced religious observance.

"When I'm on stage screaming, hitting my face with a microphone and pouring beer on my head, at least I'm singing about the Torah," said the 26-year-old founder of PunkTorah, an outreach effort to inspire Jewish spirituality.

Turns out the traditional synagogue model doesn't have a lock on religious offerings. One alternative that's sprouted up: independent prayer groups that invite the spiritually hungry to study text, as well as shape and lead their own services.

"It's tapping into a need that stems from people wanting to take hold of their Jewish life," said Rabbi Elie Kaunfer, 36, executive director of Mechon Hadar, a New York-based organization that tracks and empowers such groups. He said there are about 60 nationwide. "When the institution wasn't serving the need, people stood up to create their own communities."

It's this kind of innovation that Jonathan Sarna, of Brandeis University and a leading scholar of American Jewish history, can get behind.

"When there's religious complacency, when there's boredom, we're much more likely to see people check out," said Sarna, who is a member of an Orthodox synagogue. The more pressing issue, he added, is whether cultural ties alone can keep Jewish life going.

That concern is a real one, said Steven Cohen, a sociologist at Hebrew Union College in New York. He said about half of young Jews are not marrying Jews, and that only 25 percent of children born to interfaith couples grow up to see themselves as Jewish.

But by making Judaism and its rituals more accessible and meaningful, "Emergent Jews," as they're also often referred to, hope they can inspire a long-lasting connection to their faith.

It's why volunteer-driven educational retreats, sponsored by a group called Limmud (Hebrew for learning), are cropping up in Colorado, Illinois, Georgia and across the globe. It's why Jewish Milestones in Berkeley, California, is helping interfaith, same-sex and other couples have Jewish weddings. And it's why another Bay Area group, Wilderness Torah, hosts Passover in the desert, where participants combine Jewish traditions with their commitment to the outdoors and sustainable living.

Unlike their parents and grandparents, who may have gathered to fight anti-Semitism, remember the Holocaust, rally around Israel and liberate Soviet Jews, many Gen X and Y Jews see their worlds as wide open.

These Internet and media savvy Jews are behind what Ari Wallach, a 34-year-old social entrepreneur and consultant in New York, likes to call "Judaism 2.0."

"If asked, 'Would you rather fund raise for trees in Israel or for solar-powered ovens for refugees in Darfur,'" he said, "they're more likely to go with Darfur," which is why the American Jewish World Service, an organization that fights poverty, disease and hunger in the developing world, resonates with many of them in a way other Jewish organizations don't.

In fact, they may not have a relationship with Israel. And if they do, it's often complicated. They might support the country and people while being critical of the government's policies and wanting a Palestinian state, too, as evidenced by J Street, a new left-leaning lobbying group in Washington.

Jay Michaelson, a 38-year-old writer, activist and scholar received a torrent of responses when he recently wrote in The Forward, a daily Jewish newspaper, about his ambivalent love for Israel, where he lived for three years.

The reactions that interested him most came from rabbis and Jewish Federation leaders who wrote, "You've said what I cannot say," said Michaelson, who was the founding editor of Zeek, an online journal to push discussions about the Jewish tomorrow. "There's a climate of fear, and they cannot speak out on this issue."

But many of these "New Jews" aren't afraid to be who they are, say and show how they feel.

Heeb magazine, a hipster quarterly based in Brooklyn, does this and leaves some cringing. The magazine recently raised a collective "oy" -- and stirred outrage -- when it published a photograph of Roseanne Barr standing at an oven, dressed as Hitler, holding a tray of burnt-Jew cookies. The intention, said publisher Josh Neuman, was to force a conversation about how pervasive Hitler references are in modern culture.

"We aim to elicit responses, even if they're illicit responses," said Neuman, 36, who formerly taught Jewish culture and thought, and worked at the Museum of Jewish Heritage -- A Living Memorial to the Holocaust.

If they can't easily find what inspires them, some create it themselves.

Sarah Lefton, 36, of San Francisco, California, said she developed G-dcast, weekly cartoon webisodes -- narrated by a wide cast of characters, including an indie rocker -- to make Jewish learning more engaging, "because God knows we all grew up in boring Sunday school classes."

Allowing younger Jews to connect with their faith while living in a secular world is what drives Aaron Bisman, 29. Inspiration came for him at a 1996 Phish show, when the rock band busted out with a performance of "Avinu Malkeinu," a Jewish prayer. Hearing a non-Jew sing in Hebrew a song to thousands of fans showed this rabbi's son that Jewish expression could go mainstream, without being limited to Larry David shtick.

So he formed JDub Records, the original label for Matisyahu, the Hasidic Jewish reggae phenom. Bisman's New York nonprofit promotes cross-cultural understanding by putting out innovative Jewish sounds, like hip-hop meshed with Israeli folk songs. JDub also recently adopted Jewcy, an online media outlet rich in blogs and discussions, to help build more bridges.

And mixed in with all this are those who -- irrespective of where they are religiously or in the Jewish community -- advertise their identities with Jewish-themed tattoos, as Andy Abrams, who is behind "Tattoo Jew," a documentary in development, found out.

They're not swayed by the long-perpetuated myth that Jews with tattoos cannot be buried in Jewish cemeteries. While tattoos are prohibited by Jewish law, Rabbi Joel Roth, a professor of Talmud and Jewish law at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York said he knows of "no Jewish legal source that would prohibit the burial of a Jew who violated that law." If such a prohibition existed, added Florence Pressman, executive director of Jewish Funeral Directors of America, "how would we honor our Holocaust survivors?"

When they're getting inked with Hebrew letters or Jewish symbols, these Jews are not fretting about laws followed by the most observant. Nor are they haunted by the numbers tattooed on arms during the Holocaust, said Abrams, the 40-year-old filmmaker of St. Louis, Missouri. They're taking a bold stand today that they'll carry with them, permanently, into the future.

"They're being overtly Jewish," Abrams said. "They're saying, 'I'm Jewish. I'm proud. And I'm willing to wear it on my skin.' "

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/10/28/new.and.emergent.jews/index.html
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Re: 'New Jews' stake claim to faith, culture
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 06:00:32 PM »

interesting.

Though i still don't have a fucking clue why homosexuals still cling to religions that unequivocally condone their murder.
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Re: 'New Jews' stake claim to faith, culture
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 08:32:04 PM »

I saw this the other day but didn't feel like jewing up the boards.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 08:34:42 PM »

They sound like a bunch of idiots.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2009, 07:37:28 AM »

They sound like a bunch of idiots.

At least they're trying to shake off some of the hoodoo and think for themselves.

I mean what kind of moron really thinks a god would care what kind of meat you eat (not whether you eat meat or not), what days you work on, whether you have tattoos or which sex you fuck, and even if it was so, why would you want to be so utterly weak willed as to follow such obviously arbitrary and irrational beliefs.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2009, 03:49:26 PM »

They sound like a bunch of idiots.

At least they're trying to shake off some of the hoodoo and think for themselves.

I mean what kind of moron really thinks a god would care what kind of meat you eat (not whether you eat meat or not), what days you work on, whether you have tattoos or which sex you fuck, and even if it was so, why would you want to be so utterly weak willed as to follow such obviously arbitrary and irrational beliefs.

Fatcat, you are familiar enough with me to know that I am no moron. Your use of insult reveals your prejudice against those who are religious. To you everyone who believes is an idiot....even when they are demonstratively more educated, intelligent, and eloquent.

Wouldn't you think that Diogenes The Cynic would have become less religious from college, especially with so much exposure to anthropology, and philosophy? He didn't because he can see through other peoples arguments, and he sees through you as well. You don't have an intellectual basis with which to argue against me. To you when someone argues x against what you say, you respond with "x" is bullshit. Why do you use that so often? Is your repertoire of argument so small you instantly resort to puerile attacks? It is because we have seen that thread after thread, post after post that a logical basis for argument isn't your forte. 

Its a moron who never investigates the writings of Aquinas, Maimonides, and Aristotle, but still thinks he is "smarter" then someone who has. Heres a newsflash for you fatcat, you're too stupid to actually outwit the arguments I have against your areligious bigotry.

So, to respond to your post, you mean voodoo. To brush with broad strokes billions of religious doctors, lawyers, and all other professionals that you still think you're smarter then by saying they're all "morons" and that you somehow know something they don't is laughable. You don't think.......you don't think that maybe they have found a way to reconcile modern science with their beliefs?

G-d does care about those things, which is why they're mentioned in the Torah, and the Gemara, and in Halachic sources.

Weak willed individuals? what a silly assumption. You think every one of millions of people are collectively weak willed and THAT is THE REASON they remain religious?

As to being irrational, G-d is infinitely more rational then you are.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2009, 04:07:54 PM »

Serious fucking business.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 06:01:05 PM »

As to being irrational, G-d is infinitely more rational then you are.

Using "G-d" seems irrational to me. What are the consequences if you slip up and type "God" on an internet message board?
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2009, 08:38:18 PM »

They sound like a bunch of idiots.

At least they're trying to shake off some of the hoodoo and think for themselves.

I mean what kind of moron really thinks a god would care what kind of meat you eat (not whether you eat meat or not), what days you work on, whether you have tattoos or which sex you fuck, and even if it was so, why would you want to be so utterly weak willed as to follow such obviously arbitrary and irrational beliefs.

Fatcat, you are familiar enough with me to know that I am no moron. Your use of insult reveals your prejudice against those who are religious. To you everyone who believes is an idiot....even when they are demonstratively more educated, intelligent, and eloquent.

Wouldn't you think that Diogenes The Cynic would have become less religious from college, especially with so much exposure to anthropology, and philosophy? He didn't because he can see through other peoples arguments, and he sees through you as well. You don't have an intellectual basis with which to argue against me. To you when someone argues x against what you say, you respond with "x" is bullshit. Why do you use that so often? Is your repertoire of argument so small you instantly resort to puerile attacks? It is because we have seen that thread after thread, post after post that a logical basis for argument isn't your forte.  

Its a moron who never investigates the writings of Aquinas, Maimonides, and Aristotle, but still thinks he is "smarter" then someone who has. Heres a newsflash for you fatcat, you're too stupid to actually outwit the arguments I have against your areligious bigotry.

So, to respond to your post, you mean voodoo. To brush with broad strokes billions of religious doctors, lawyers, and all other professionals that you still think you're smarter then by saying they're all "morons" and that you somehow know something they don't is laughable. You don't think.......you don't think that maybe they have found a way to reconcile modern science with their beliefs?

G-d does care about those things, which is why they're mentioned in the Torah, and the Gemara, and in Halachic sources.

Weak willed individuals? what a silly assumption. You think every one of millions of people are collectively weak willed and THAT is THE REASON they remain religious?

As to being irrational, G-d is infinitely more rational then you are.

There's nothing less rational than 'God said it so its true.' why on earth should marking your skin be forbidden?

You talk about intellectual basis, what basis is there for believing there is any merit whatsoever in a ruling that says homosexuals should be stoned to death?(even if you cop out and say no one should really follow it).

What intellectual basis is there to believe eating shellfish is wrong? They're certainly alot healthier to eat than red meat, and most have less capacity of pain/consciousness than cows do.

Even if there are good reasons for all those things, the fact god said it or not would only be ancillary to those good reasons. If god said owning slaves is okay does that make it right?

I'll concede that just because someone believes in god, doesn't make them stupid in every other area, but it is a stupid belief, so I was just using a shorthand by saying that believing stupid beliefs is stupid. Sorry for not being clearer.

Hindu's can't be right about there being millions of gods, and Jews being right about their only being one god at the same time. So one has to be wrong, and both could be wrong.

Even you would have to admit, if Jews are right, hindus must be wrong. So how can you prove theres Jehovah any more than Vishnu? If you can't it seems stupid to believe one over the other.

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G-d does care about those things, which is why they're mentioned in the Torah, and the Gemara, and in Halachic sources.

Weak willed individuals? what a silly assumption.

yeah, cause theres nothing stronger willed than blindly following rules that don't have any rational basis just because a magic super being told you to.

If you disagree please provide some rational for some of the rules in the Torah, especially leviticus, that doesn't involve "god said it/god cares about it so it matters". quick breakdown.

1. whats gods reason for forbidding eating shelfish?
2. whats gods reason for saying men who sleep with men should be stoned?
3. whats gods reason for forbidding tattoos?

 If there aren't reasons, or you claim to not know the reason, then I'll happily stand by my claim that jews are being irrational for following those rules without good reason.

also I never said i was smarter than anyone, or that i know something they don't, i just called them stupid for believing things i think are stupid. I don't believe its a question of knowledge. I don't know anything any religious person doesn't already know, i just come to a different conclusion.

There are plenty of religious people who can kick my ass at math, or business, or playing the guitar, but its not really relevant because im just talking about how stupid belief in immoral supernatural beings are that you can't prove exist.

edit : as a matter of fact, the whole "newton/whoever believed in god, and they're smarter than you so they're right" argument is really piss poor. I can find plenty of smart atheists to throw into the argument, I can find stats showing the smarter people are the more likely they are to be atheist, but it doesnt fucking matter because its a weak fucking argument of authority that does nothing to address claims of fact..
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 09:10:06 PM »

As to being irrational, G-d is infinitely more rational then you are.

Using "G-d" seems irrational to me. What are the consequences if you slip up and type "God" on an internet message board?

If you knew the basis behind it, it wouldn't be irrational.

If I slipped up, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 09:56:04 PM »

If I'm correct then the basis behind it is that god's name, in whatever form, is so extremely holy that it shouldn't even be written down. That doesn't say much for rational thought..

For what it's worth- I don't think most religious people are "stupid", I think it's more along the lines of an addiction crossed with OCD behavior. Just weird to me how folks like Cynic are obviously well educated but can't take that next logical step to disregard the supernatural hubbub.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 09:58:36 PM »

If you knew the basis behind it, it wouldn't be irrational.

Quote from: http://judaism.about.com/od/reformjudaismfaq/f/god_spelling.htm
God's name is treated with unusual care in Jewish tradition. The divine name, YHWH (spelled with the Hebrew letters yud, hey, vav, hey) is never pronounced. Traditionally, Jews read the word "Adonai" (often translated as "the Lord") whenever reading God's holiest name in Torah or in prayer. However, "Adonai" is not God's name.

Among some traditional Jews, speaking even the word "Adonai" is avoided outside of worship or study. This "stand-in" for God's name is itself replaced by "Ha-Shem" ("The Name"). The practice also has been extended to other Hebrew words associated with God. For example, the Hebrew word "Elohim," which means "God" (the title, not God's name), is pronounced "Elokim" outside of prayer and study.

In recent years, some Jews have carried the practice even further by abstaining from writing the English word "God" and substituting the spelling, "G-d" or "Gd." However, there is no prohibition in Jewish law from writing "God" in any language other than Hebrew. In fact, there is an often repeated story about Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik, z"l, one of the foremost authorities of Modern Orthodoxy, who intentionally would write and erase the word "God" (in English) on the blackboard in front of his students at Yeshiva University in order to emphasize the fact this is not prohibited by Jewish law.

Some Reform Jews observe the custom of spelling God as "G-d." Most do not. In any case, it would be inappropriate and opposed to Jewish values to correct or shame a person for keeping this practice if it is done out of respect and reverence for God.

Still sounds pretty fucking irrational to me. Your invisible friend has a bunch of different names, and you can't say some of them, and can't write some others, because...because you can't. It says so right in the Big Book of Rules.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2009, 10:16:23 PM »

If you knew the basis behind it, it wouldn't be irrational.

Still sounds pretty irrational to me. G-d has a bunch of different names, and you can't say some of them, and can't write some others, because...because you can't. It says so right in the Big Book of Rules.
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Its not irrational. You just read the reasons behind it now.

In fact to say its irrational now that you know the rationale would be irrational.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2009, 11:21:31 PM »

Hey jumping in here a bit for what I know about religion.

Basically a lot of the reasons why they made up the stupid rules was for two main reasons:

1. Their leaders (NOT Fucking GOD) knew a bit about survival and wanted to pass on their knowledge so that their followers would survive.
              example 1.1 Dont eat rare meat because it is uncooked.
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Leviticus 19:26 "Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it."
What moses could have said: God advises that eating raw or undercooked meat, poultry, eggs or seafood poses a health risk to everyone, but especially to the elderly, young children under age 4, pregnant women and other highly susceptible individuals with compromised immune systems. Thorough cooking of such animal foods reduces the risk of illness.


2. There were a ton of rival religions at the time and they wished to forbid the practices of those religions among their own people so as to stay separate and keep their followers.
              example 2.1 Dont tattoo yourself.
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Leviticus 19:27-28 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard. Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves."
Rival religions that, rather than sacrifice animals, cut themselves to appease the gods or cut their hair or got tattoos to honor the dead (like many people do nowadays).

1 Kings 18:28 = The competing priests of Baal slashed themselves (supposedly).
Ive read that the Egyptians tattooed themselves in honor of the dead and several other middle eastern religions cut their hair in various ways.





So, IMO, take these rules in or out of context and they are still BS with darker motives of control.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2009, 08:30:28 AM »

Hey jumping in here a bit for what I know about religion.

Basically a lot of the reasons why they made up the stupid rules was for two main reasons:

1. Their leaders (NOT Fucking GOD) knew a bit about survival and wanted to pass on their knowledge so that their followers would survive.
              example 1.1 Dont eat rare meat because it is uncooked.
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Leviticus 19:26 "Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it."
What moses could have said: God advises that eating raw or undercooked meat, poultry, eggs or seafood poses a health risk to everyone, but especially to the elderly, young children under age 4, pregnant women and other highly susceptible individuals with compromised immune systems. Thorough cooking of such animal foods reduces the risk of illness.

But then he'd confuse people because he already said that illness is caused by demons/devils.

I guess that was a test.
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