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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: ox on August 08, 2010, 01:06:05 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#Concern_troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29#Concern_troll)
A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.
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FUD! Yeah, it works I bet. Its difficult to spot though, unless the person is an idiot.
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what the fuck, nigger?
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Are you trying to tell me something, Lance?
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Are you trying to tell me something, Lance?
Or somebody.
Don' wanna say who but the initials are Braskey.
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"Concern troll" is also, perhaps more often, used as a slur against anyone in a movement who cares about how that movement is represented.
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Are you trying to tell me something, Lance?
Or somebody.
Don' wanna say who but the initials are Braskey.
Now I'm doubly confused.
Are you trying to tell me something, Lance?
No. I just thought this was interesting. I've heard Keene cops say this to people multiple times and now it strikes me that this is pretty much exactly what some people (not you) do here as well.
Without examples, its hard to agree or disagree.
I know that I'm morally opposed to giving the statists a reason to increase their numbers. And you know as well as I do that the bureaucratic process doesn't miss an opportunity to pump itself up. They count things, they keep records, they legitimize themselves. Given the chance, they would like to appoint a special goddamn taskforce to directly handle the Keene folks, but that would actually legitimize them. And they can't do that. So it'll have to remain a burr under many saddles, and it'll be dealt with like a problem.
What the officials in Keene should actually do, but can't, would be to appoint a liaison. A plain clothed sheriffs deputy who has arrest powers, but is instructed to use them only as a last resort. No cop car, he drives a blank vehicle. He shows up at events, finds out what the hustle is. Advance recon. He confiscates their dope at 420's, which gets old really fast - losing your shit for no damn reason.
The thing is, the cops have to respond to these situations. If they don't, the normal citizen will get pissed, and the events will become increasingly dramatic until they are given recognition. But if you send the town "Public Safety Officer", he'd just stand around and make sure nobody got hurt, nobody accosted moving traffic, shit like that. He could pull a folding chair out of his trunk, put a little schmear of white stuff on his nose like a lifeguard, and watch the children play. They'd be so fuckin' offended, they'd probably disburse all by themselves.
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Are you trying to tell me something, Lance?
Or somebody.
Don' wanna say who but the initials are Braskey.
Now I'm doubly confused.
Don't be. In a drunken stupor it sound funny in my head, so I typed it. Now, not so much.
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Are you trying to tell me something, Lance?
Or somebody.
Don' wanna say who but the initials are Braskey.
Now I'm doubly confused.
Don't be. In a drunken stupor it sound funny in my head, so I typed it. Now, not so much.
It should translate perfectly into my drunken head, like telepathic whale song.
wreeoot, oooorreeeek. like that.
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It should translate perfectly into my drunken head, like telepathic whale song.
wreeoot, oooorreeeek. like that.
Whales only sound like that because they're drunk all of the time. You just can't tell because it's hard to stagger in water. When they're sober, which is never, they are perfectly coherent.
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It should translate perfectly into my drunken head, like telepathic whale song.
wreeoot, oooorreeeek. like that.
Whales only sound like that because they're drunk all of the time. You just can't tell because it's hard to stagger in water. When they're sober, which is never, they are perfectly coherent.
lol
Highly evolved, they just choose not to make the transition to land. Very practical.
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Examples of this:
Dennis Goddard in relation to keene activists.
Lee Doren of beauracrash.
Glenn Beck's trolling of Libertarians.
et al.
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Keene activists? I thought it was just an Ian hardon.
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This is very Denis. Claims to be an anarchist, fights exclusively within the system, claims he just doesn't like the way the outside-the-system activism is being done, and shits all over it, makes comments here that show he simply cannot handle a stateless society.
I don't agree every form of activism everybody does is a good idea, but I tend not to shit all over them, call them names for it, and conflate it with my children smearing shit all over my walls.
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I don't think what Denis does is troll either, like the activists I think he may be frustrated that things are not moving as fast as they want them to, well they won't, especially when both "groups," seem to be trolling each other instead of doing something for liberty. Find a happy medium or end up making no progress at all.
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I don't think what Denis does is troll either
I agree with you. He seems sincere to me.
Dennis is about the only one I've heard in N.H. that seems reasonable and makes sense. Mark being another.
The Freak Staters are not accomplishing anything but turning off those that agree with them. The immaturity is shocking.
I am actually on the fence right now of pulling my amp money. All it will take is one more silly story of Ian acting like a child in public.
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I don't think what Denis does is troll either
I agree with you. He seems sincere to me.
Dennis is about the only one I've heard in N.H. that seems reasonable and makes sense. Mark being another.
He's over-the-top pissy about it, and the name-calling is a perfect example of why someone who's not state-oriented and/or a government employee doesn't quite so the issue as so divisive.
The Freak Staters are not accomplishing anything but turning off those that agree with them. The immaturity is shocking.
This is not true. They are attracting more people who think it's working. That's not nothing. Do I agree with everything they do? No. It's just that my hyperbole alarm went off.
I am actually on the fence right now of pulling my amp money. All it will take is one more silly story of Ian acting like a child in public.
I agree. For me it's not about the type of activism. It's about them being in-your-face about it, and giving the bureaucrats a good case for saying the activists are "picking on them."
It's one thing to insist on living free, and be willing to pay the consequences, and try to break the system. It's another thing to claim that you're trying to "work inside the system" by having a "drinking game" at one of their events. This is purely dishonest and despicable. It takes a good point (that the open container law is just plain stupid) and makes it difficult to support the that truth with the people who've been "played" by the activists, or agreed with the bureaucrats.