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Free Talk Live => General => Topic started by: libertyseeker on May 08, 2011, 02:43:19 PM
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Just a quick hello from Europe!¡!¡
Unfortunately we only seem to have anarcho-socialism as a any movement of reasonable size which could be described as coming close to liberty. These an-coms (anarcho-communists) seem to believe that the use of force to take your property is ok and thus it seems to me they are really just statists.
... so I'm thinking I'd like to move to New Hampshire - I was born in Old Hampshire so it seems poetic 8)
Is there anybody in the Free State Project from Europe?!
Just a ray of hope would do for now :-)
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I'm not positive if anyone is from Europe, I'd be surprised if there wasnt a few people though. A better forum to look at would be http://forum.freestateproject.org/
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Ziggy was. Of course he outed himself as a dirty statist welfare queen who wanted tax money to pay for his sex change.
There have been a couple others. Can't remember offhand.
Oh, and howdy.
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thanks anarchir for the link, I am joining that forum soon and I have found some links therein.
I guess the next question is - once I get there and then supposedly your local tyrants give me bits of green coloured card saying I can stay; what then happens if I become an activist?! Will they send me packing on the reverse version of the Mayflower?!! :?
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thanks anarchir for the link, I am joining that forum soon and I have found some links therein.
I guess the next question is - once I get there and then supposedly your local tyrants give me bits of green coloured card saying I can stay; what then happens if I become an activist?! Will they send me packing on the reverse version of the Mayflower?!! :?
Just dont get caught.
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thanks anarchir for the link, I am joining that forum soon and I have found some links therein.
I guess the next question is - once I get there and then supposedly your local tyrants give me bits of green coloured card saying I can stay; what then happens if I become an activist?! Will they send me packing on the reverse version of the Mayflower?!! :?
Just dont get caught.
Isn't that going to be hard when engaging in civil disobedience? Even just going on a protest or raising awareness?
Seriously your local pigs will send me back to Europe for protesting even with a green card?!!!!
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Isn't that going to be hard when engaging in civil disobedience? Even just going on a protest or raising awareness?
Seriously your local pigs will send me back to Europe for protesting even with a green card?!!!!
Depends on what sort of disobedience you're thinking about. Publicly attempting to break laws will cause people who like enforcing laws to pay attention to you.
I'd recommend that if you were going to do that sort of thing, you'd not be carrying ID while doing it, and never talk to police, no matter where you are from.
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Seems to me better ideas include:
1) getting a marketable skill and coming over legally
2) if you'll be undocumented, taking a more low-key approach. Write LTEs to newspapers, campaign for liberty candidates, help out with liberty organizations... pretty much anything but CD
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thanks anarchir for the link, I am joining that forum soon and I have found some links therein.
I guess the next question is - once I get there and then supposedly your local tyrants give me bits of green coloured card saying I can stay; what then happens if I become an activist?! Will they send me packing on the reverse version of the Mayflower?!! :?
Just dont get caught.
http://www.peacemagazine.org/198.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
Try some of those perhaps. There are lots of alternative ideas out there. Civil disobedience is just the one that gets press coverage because people tend to get caught (one of the parts of Civil Disobedience is accepting that you may get caught).
Isn't that going to be hard when engaging in civil disobedience? Even just going on a protest or raising awareness?
Seriously your local pigs will send me back to Europe for protesting even with a green card?!!!!
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Seriously your local pigs will send me back to Europe for protesting even with a green card?!!!!
Not only will they send you back to Europe, but they'll send you to your country of citizenship, possibly via a circuitous route. If that country happens to be in Europe, than Europe it shall be. Probably. Eventually.
You might spend several months in a detention center while they process your identity. Some of those months might be in Europe, as well.
Are we exactly sure where Eastern Europe starts and Western Asia begins, these days? I don't wanna make undue promises.
Are you familiar with the Black Sea?
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Are you familiar with the Black Sea?
you don't think they'd see the irony of sending me back to the UK for protesting more freedom?
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Seems to me better ideas include:
1) getting a marketable skill and coming over legally
2) if you'll be undocumented, taking a more low-key approach. Write LTEs to newspapers, campaign for liberty candidates, help out with liberty organizations... pretty much anything but CD
sounds more than reasonable, you know there is no chance of much liberty here and I'd rather be on the front where my efforts matter.
thanks for the suggestions
:)
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Are you familiar with the Black Sea?
you don't think they'd see the irony of sending me back to the UK for protesting more freedom?
No.. I think they'd frogmarch you through the gulag, irony-free.
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Are you familiar with the Black Sea?
you don't think they'd see the irony of sending me back to the UK for protesting more freedom?
No.. I think they'd frogmarch you through the gulag, irony-free.
damn I thought you guys had a nicer, kinder and fluffier sort of tyrant?
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Are you familiar with the Black Sea?
you don't think they'd see the irony of sending me back to the UK for protesting more freedom?
No.. I think they'd frogmarch you through the gulag, irony-free.
damn I thought you guys had a nicer, kinder and fluffier sort of tyrant?
That's Canada.
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Are you familiar with the Black Sea?
you don't think they'd see the irony of sending me back to the UK for protesting more freedom?
No.. I think they'd frogmarch you through the gulag, irony-free.
damn I thought you guys had a nicer, kinder and fluffier sort of tyrant?
That's Canada.
They're not even what they used to be. I think all the kinder, fluffier tyrants died off in the 20th century. It seems the only places to run from global fascism are New Hampshire (http://freestateproject.org/) and the open seas (http://www.seasteading.org), and those are probably both temporary.
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Costa Rica
Govt wont mess with you much, but you'll have your shit ganked if you're not vigilant.
Too many mosquitos and other weird parasites for my taste though.
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Costa Rica
This. NH too I guess.
Most of my filthy rich Objectivist friends are going/have gone to Costa Rica.
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New Hampshire's just another -state-
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Costa Rica
This. NH too I guess.
Most of my filthy rich Objectivist friends are going/have gone to Costa Rica.
Do you hear much back from them about it, as far as how its going?
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I want to be a filthy rich objectivist...
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I want to be a filthy rich objectivist...
From what I hear, if you're 1/2 rich here, you'll be rich in Costa Rica.
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New Hampshire's just another -state-
This.
If NH were free, there' be no need for an FSP.
As it is, we're less totalitarian than just about any state, and the only one that's trending better over time.
And if you think that's happening without hundreds of people's time, money, dedication, guts, skills, etc... then you're wrong
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you're probably right about this....but, I can only stay in Arkansas or Texas for now....
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Do you hear much back from them about it, as far as how its going?
Money goes a long fucking way down there as I understand.
But you can get crazy properties and hire people to work for you for next to nothing.
http://www.propertiesincostarica.com/mountain.html
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Money goes a long fucking way down there as I understand.
But you can get crazy properties and hire people to work for you for next to nothing.
Why bother moving to Costa Rica for that? We'll have that in the USA in 5-10 years.
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stability. The assumed US collapse will bring about the conditions you describe while in Costa Rica, it's a stabile situation.
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Money goes a long fucking way down there as I understand.
But you can get crazy properties and hire people to work for you for next to nothing.
Why bother moving to Costa Rica for that? We'll have that in the USA in 5-10 years.
Well one is fact and the other is highly informed (Probably accurate) speculation that can't be confirmed until it happens.
But none of us knows how many fingers gooberment has to stick into the economic dyke at this point. They could drag this shit out for a long, long time. Not to mention the fact that a collapse doesn't equate to the end of the state.
I'm not going to Costa Rica, but I wouldn't exactly dispute the efficacy of lugging it out there. Except maybe the bugs and shit. Dump truck sized mosquitoes are a bummer.
If we do make a move to protect our interests, it'll be one of the following in descending order - New Hampshire, Wyoming, Montana. If it's an emergency move it'll be "someplace closer".
Contingencies are important. What happens if the East coast gets attacked? (New York will forever be the whipping boy, probably.) What happens if feds take over national park land for some reason? What is the relative difficulty for traveling year round? Are we close enough to an interstate highway to grab and go? Are we too close in case the highways get shut off somehow?
Infrastructure is important. We currently live less than ten miles from I94, US23, I275, I75, Michigan Avenue and US 24. All of which can be reached from different directions and via back roads. Nevertheless we are in "The country" and our property is considered tiny at one acre by comparison to the average lot around here. You can get locally grown food, water is plentiful, and luxuries are less than an hour away.
The planning it took to situate ourselves like that (And many many other factors!) took me about four years. I'd have been happier if I could have found a house one mile further South, in Monroe county, because there's no legal crap with water access. In Wayne county you can't have both city water and a well or holding tank hooked to your house at the same time. They don't want backflow into their system with well water. So an emergency well would have to be outdoors, pretty much. They don't give a shit in Monroe. So that's a minus.
That was a really long way to say "Look before you leap." Plan your shit out and make the move when you judge it to be the best time. I've seen a lot of (Particularly young) people who've moved to NH on the FSP love train without even considering where they're even gonna sleep. Many more who just didn't think about the long term of how to make money in a low populace area. That's crazy shit right there. Many of them have left NH because the handouts ran out or there wasn't any work.
Plan that shit out.
There' money to be had and places to live in NH, but if you don't have a good plan, you'll be standing around with your cock in your hand and looking like a damned fool.